Michigan at Cornell

[Gobigred]

Apparently your last game doesn't count when you reach the play-offs

Yale ran thru and over Cornell in ILT semi final

31 shots by HT
Cornell only 3 saves by HT

That game should have been dead and buried instead of 12-8 HT

Cornell had one genuinely bad defensive performance out of 14 games. Are you suggesting that become the exclusive lens through which we evaluate them going forward?

Both Cornell and Yale had a flat game in their last ILT outing; therefore, both are toast in their first-round NCAA games. Obviously!

Maryland and Hopkins, too, I suppose.

[coda]

I would not lump Yale in with that group. You could say Cornell's performance was an aberration. Perhaps it was just a singular terrible game. Yale has had multiple games where they were absolutely destroyed. One reason I thought they did not deserve to be in the tournament. They had 3 terrible losses, despite what the disciples of RPI say

[ICGrad]

Maryland and Hopkins, too, I suppose.

Don't worry: The committee took care of Hopkins by giving them the easiest first round draw possible. Suitable reward for getting smacked by Maryland in the Big10 semis, I guess.

Were they facing Princeton, as they should be, then I would agree.

[Chousnake]

Maryland and Hopkins, too, I suppose.

Don't worry: The committee took care of Hopkins by giving them the easiest first round draw possible. Suitable reward for getting smacked by Maryland in the Big10 semis, I guess.

Were they facing Princeton, as they should be, then I would agree.

Hopkins is the king of favorable tourney draws. The good news is that either JHU or ND will not play on Memorial Day weekend. The bad news is that one of them will be playing....

[The Orfling]

I would not lump Yale in with that group. You could say Cornell's performance was an aberration. Perhaps it was just a singular terrible game. Yale has had multiple games where they were absolutely destroyed. One reason I thought they did not deserve to be in the tournament. They had 3 terrible losses, despite what the disciples of RPI say

If the tournament selection changes to an ELO based approach in which margin of victory counts, then Yale losing badly to top 20 teams (Penn State, Cornell, Princeton) would be a relevant factor. However, probably to avoid regular season running up of the score, margin of victory is not an official tournament selection criteria (although obviously it can factor into the subjective views of the selectors). As it is, Yale's a team with a puncher's chance in the NCAA tournament. If they can get an advantage at the X (as happened against Cornell when Cornell's FOGO was hit with early violations); if they can score in transition; and if the Yale goalie (who is good) has a great day, they have a chance against most teams. But if any of those factors are not present, they are at risk of losing by a wide margin.

[ICGrad]

Maryland and Hopkins, too, I suppose.

Don't worry: The committee took care of Hopkins by giving them the easiest first round draw possible. Suitable reward for getting smacked by Maryland in the Big10 semis, I guess.

Were they facing Princeton, as they should be, then I would agree.

Hopkins is the king of favorable tourney draws.

If you include undeserved tourney invitations, they're King, Emperor, and Lord God Supreme...

[wgdsr]

you'd have to go back quite a long way to find a favorable draw. some of the committee members might've still been in school.

they did seem to catch a 1st round break this year.

michigan has lost 6 games, and not all of them have been worldbeaters. you have to win 4.

[BlueJaySince1947]

Maryland and Hopkins, too, I suppose.

Don't worry: The committee took care of Hopkins by giving them the easiest first round draw possible. Suitable reward for getting smacked by Maryland in the Big10 semis, I guess.

Were they facing Princeton, as they should be, then I would agree.

Hopkins is the king of favorable tourney draws.

If you include undeserved tourney invitations, they're King, Emperor, and Lord God Supreme...

My God...you pathetic Blue Jay haters are everywhere !
Put on your big boy pants and get out of the basement.

[coda]

I would not lump Yale in with that group. You could say Cornell's performance was an aberration. Perhaps it was just a singular terrible game. Yale has had multiple games where they were absolutely destroyed. One reason I thought they did not deserve to be in the tournament. They had 3 terrible losses, despite what the disciples of RPI say

If the tournament selection changes to an ELO based approach in which margin of victory counts, then Yale losing badly to top 20 teams (Penn State, Cornell, Princeton) would be a relevant factor. However, probably to avoid regular season running up of the score, margin of victory is not an official tournament selection criteria (although obviously it can factor into the subjective views of the selectors). As it is, Yale's a team with a puncher's chance in the NCAA tournament. If they can get an advantage at the X (as happened against Cornell when Cornell's FOGO was hit with early violations); if they can score in transition; and if the Yale goalie (who is good) has a great day, they have a chance against most teams. But if any of those factors are not present, they are at risk of losing by a wide margin.

This is the issue. I understand that the committee is a slave to RPI. I am pointing out that is a flaw. RPI is one of the simplest and worst models to base your selection. I have a hard time accepting a loss to Rutgers by 1 is a "bad loss" and a loss by 13 to Princeton is a "good loss". It is possible to try and balance the idea of who you play and how you play. Personally, I think if Yale was in the ACC they would have finished last. Yale can be dangerous, but you can say that about a team like Cuse if they got in. Yale is very similar to Michigan. Great offense and questionable defense. The big difference being Michigan is excellent at the X and Yale is more capable in goal (though Michigan finally made the necessary decision to put the freshman in goal. Carr started most the year and was one of the worst goalies in the country)

[wgdsr]

I would not lump Yale in with that group. You could say Cornell's performance was an aberration. Perhaps it was just a singular terrible game. Yale has had multiple games where they were absolutely destroyed. One reason I thought they did not deserve to be in the tournament. They had 3 terrible losses, despite what the disciples of RPI say

If the tournament selection changes to an ELO based approach in which margin of victory counts, then Yale losing badly to top 20 teams (Penn State, Cornell, Princeton) would be a relevant factor. However, probably to avoid regular season running up of the score, margin of victory is not an official tournament selection criteria (although obviously it can factor into the subjective views of the selectors). As it is, Yale's a team with a puncher's chance in the NCAA tournament. If they can get an advantage at the X (as happened against Cornell when Cornell's FOGO was hit with early violations); if they can score in transition; and if the Yale goalie (who is good) has a great day, they have a chance against most teams. But if any of those factors are not present, they are at risk of losing by a wide margin.

This is the issue. I understand that the committee is a slave to RPI. I am pointing out that is a flaw. RPI is one of the simplest and worst models to base your selection. I have a hard time accepting a loss to Rutgers by 1 is a "bad loss" and a loss by 13 to Princeton is a "good loss". It is possible to try and balance the idea of who you play and how you play. Personally, I think if Yale was in the ACC they would have finished last. Yale can be dangerous, but you can say that about a team like Cuse if they got in. Yale is very similar to Michigan. Great offense and questionable defense. The big difference being Michigan is excellent at the X and Yale is more capable in goal (though Michigan finally made the necessary decision to put the freshman in goal. Carr started most the year and was one of the worst goalies in the country)

the committee isn't a slave to rpi every year anymore. good people can disagree on margin of victory. personally, i think it's a straight garbage idea. hoops uses it now.

i'm with herm edwards.

[molo]

Get in, win, and don’t whine about the draw.

[Lager]

Maryland and Hopkins, too, I suppose.

Don't worry: The committee took care of Hopkins by giving them the easiest first round draw possible. Suitable reward for getting smacked by Maryland in the Big10 semis, I guess.

Were they facing Princeton, as they should be, then I would agree.

Hopkins is the king of favorable tourney draws.

If you include undeserved tourney invitations, they're King, Emperor, and Lord God Supreme...

Hopkins fans coming out of the woodwork now that they are semi-relevant again

[a fan]

Get in, win, and don’t whine about the draw.

+1

And let's not forget: Bryant sent Syracuse home in 2014, when SU was the #2 seed.

And four of the unseeded teams advanced out of the 1st round that year. It's a mistake to start counting chickens, if you ask me.

[HopFan16]

Maryland and Hopkins, too, I suppose.

Don't worry: The committee took care of Hopkins by giving them the easiest first round draw possible. Suitable reward for getting smacked by Maryland in the Big10 semis, I guess.

Were they facing Princeton, as they should be, then I would agree.

Hopkins is the king of favorable tourney draws.

If you include undeserved tourney invitations, they're King, Emperor, and Lord God Supreme...

Hopkins fans coming out of the woodwork now that they are semi-relevant again

You're now the fourth Cornell fan to post about Hopkins in this thread. Are you guys ok? It's going to be fine. I promise. Worry about the Wolverines.

[laxfan1313]

Maryland and Hopkins, too, I suppose.

Don't worry: The committee took care of Hopkins by giving them the easiest first round draw possible. Suitable reward for getting smacked by Maryland in the Big10 semis, I guess.

Were they facing Princeton, as they should be, then I would agree.

Hopkins is the king of favorable tourney draws.

If you include undeserved tourney invitations, they're King, Emperor, and Lord God Supreme...

Hopkins fans coming out of the woodwork now that they are semi-relevant again

You're now the fourth Cornell fan to post about Hopkins in this thread. Are you guys ok? It's going to be fine. I promise. Worry about the Wolverines.

HopFan16, as the farm system for JHU head coaches throughout the 21st century, we have developed a certain sensitivity to the Blue Jay fortunes. Worry about Bryant.

[coda]

Cohen out for Michigan is goi g to leave a mark

[jrn19]

"internal issues within the program" before your first tournament game ever seems...ominous

[ny10458]

What's going on with Cohen?

[jrn19]

What's going on with Cohen?

See above

[ny10458]

What's going on with Cohen?

See above

Ah, unfortunate.