2023 Preseason Inside Lacrosse Media Poll

[Farfromgeneva]

Harvard to the Ivy League is like Michigan to the B10.
They beat up on inferior OOC opponents and benefit from being in a strong conference. Last year Harvard benefitted from sneaking out some Ivy wins, Michigan did not win a single B10 game.
I am happy to see them schedule UVA, but outside of that, OOC is something to be desired

why is everything *sneaking*? they beat boston who handled the patriot. they beat a top 5 ivy and a top 10 ivy. name 8 teams who did better at beating top teams.

Harvard will need to build on last year, not have it be an anomaly. They benefitted from Ivy as a whole being strong, cant rely on that. I think teams that are currently ranked behind them like St Joes, Denver, Jacksonville, Richmond and UNC will all finish the season in better shape than Harvard. I will eat crow if the Crim prove me wrong

You like wing sauce, bbq sauce, dry rub or some other flavoring for crow?

[Gobigred]

Harvard to the Ivy League is like Michigan to the B10.
They beat up on inferior OOC opponents and benefit from being in a strong conference. Last year Harvard benefitted from sneaking out some Ivy wins, Michigan did not win a single B10 game.
I am happy to see them schedule UVA, but outside of that, OOC is something to be desired

Lotta nonsense written above. Michigan is utterly irrelevant to this discussion.

It's called drawing a comparison to perennial bottom feeders of strong leagues. Thats what they have in common.

More nonsense. Michigan is irrelevant to what Harvard accomplished last year. You show your bias with your "sneaking out" comment. Did Maryland "sneak out" a win in the championship game? Harvard won those games against tournament teams, one a Final Four team. Just like Maryland won the championship game. Not by sneaking; by winning.

[chosen1lax]

Harvard to the Ivy League is like Michigan to the B10.
They beat up on inferior OOC opponents and benefit from being in a strong conference. Last year Harvard benefitted from sneaking out some Ivy wins, Michigan did not win a single B10 game.
I am happy to see them schedule UVA, but outside of that, OOC is something to be desired

Lotta nonsense written above. Michigan is utterly irrelevant to this discussion.

It's called drawing a comparison to perennial bottom feeders of strong leagues. Thats what they have in common.

but you misspelled dartmouth.

8 wins and 16 loses in conference since 2017 put the crimson and big green together in the basement IMO

so you get your own definition of basement? both from when they started in 2015 and in your cutoff scenario, michigan's conference win% and final league position is comp to dartmouth not harvard and it's not close.

i.e. win % .117 to .027 vs .361. none of which has anything to do with last year and a new coach. in 2 b1g games last year, they managed to go .500. why? because they literally went up to ann arbor and beat... michigan! by 5 goals. couldn't make this stuff up! looks like they might've won the patriot also!

had you not come on to roast harvard for their best season in recent memory because... they're preseason ranked #13 of all things... getting all kinds of love!!! maybe we wouldn't point these things out. or maybe that was the objective?

how did 'nova do in the ivy last year?

I am calling it how I see it. In the words of Gobigred "Nova is utterly irrelevant in the discussion" so i do not see why you are bringing them up to move the goalposts. As mentioned the ACC has gotten the treatment that the Ivy league got last year for years. The new coach has exceeded expectations in year one, but unless he follows up, it is an aberration as stated from previous years records, they did not even make their league tournament last year for crying out loud. Also if we are going to nitpick they were 1-2 in B10 games Rutgers plays in that league and handled them 19-9.

I came on to call into question their preseason ranking being 13 thats it, play victim all you want, but opinions aside, i am just calling out the results.

[wgdsr]

Harvard to the Ivy League is like Michigan to the B10.
They beat up on inferior OOC opponents and benefit from being in a strong conference. Last year Harvard benefitted from sneaking out some Ivy wins, Michigan did not win a single B10 game.
I am happy to see them schedule UVA, but outside of that, OOC is something to be desired

Lotta nonsense written above. Michigan is utterly irrelevant to this discussion.

It's called drawing a comparison to perennial bottom feeders of strong leagues. Thats what they have in common.

but you misspelled dartmouth.

8 wins and 16 loses in conference since 2017 put the crimson and big green together in the basement IMO

so you get your own definition of basement? both from when they started in 2015 and in your cutoff scenario, michigan's conference win% and final league position is comp to dartmouth not harvard and it's not close.

i.e. win % .117 to .027 vs .361. none of which has anything to do with last year and a new coach. in 2 b1g games last year, they managed to go .500. why? because they literally went up to ann arbor and beat... michigan! by 5 goals. couldn't make this stuff up! looks like they might've won the patriot also!

had you not come on to roast harvard for their best season in recent memory because... they're preseason ranked #13 of all things... getting all kinds of love!!! maybe we wouldn't point these things out. or maybe that was the objective?

how did 'nova do in the ivy last year?

I am calling it how I see it. In the words of Gobigred "Nova is utterly irrelevant in the discussion" so i do not see why you are bringing them up to move the goalposts. As mentioned the ACC has gotten the treatment that the Ivy league got last year for years. The new coach has exceeded expectations in year one, but unless he follows up, it is an aberration as stated from previous years records, they did not even make their league tournament last year for crying out loud. Also if we are going to nitpick they were 1-2 in B10 games Rutgers plays in that league and handled them 19-9.

I came on to call into question their preseason ranking being 13 thats it, play victim all you want, but opinions aside, i am just calling out the results.

ummm... because you discounted harvard's performance and you have an idea how villanova was? you didn't just call out the results. you brought up records from 6 years ago to show that their results last year were, in fact, much improved. so the antithesis of your argument. then u came up with michigan somehow, even though they're nothing alike. and who ironically harvard smoked on the road last year!

what does play victim mean, i don't consider myself a victim? fyi... no league gets "the treatment". people all lining up on leagues and conferences is a football thing. maybe basketball, too now that there are so few good ooc games.

[chosen1lax]

Harvard to the Ivy League is like Michigan to the B10.
They beat up on inferior OOC opponents and benefit from being in a strong conference. Last year Harvard benefitted from sneaking out some Ivy wins, Michigan did not win a single B10 game.
I am happy to see them schedule UVA, but outside of that, OOC is something to be desired

Lotta nonsense written above. Michigan is utterly irrelevant to this discussion.

It's called drawing a comparison to perennial bottom feeders of strong leagues. Thats what they have in common.

but you misspelled dartmouth.

8 wins and 16 loses in conference since 2017 put the crimson and big green together in the basement IMO

so you get your own definition of basement? both from when they started in 2015 and in your cutoff scenario, michigan's conference win% and final league position is comp to dartmouth not harvard and it's not close.

i.e. win % .117 to .027 vs .361. none of which has anything to do with last year and a new coach. in 2 b1g games last year, they managed to go .500. why? because they literally went up to ann arbor and beat... michigan! by 5 goals. couldn't make this stuff up! looks like they might've won the patriot also!

had you not come on to roast harvard for their best season in recent memory because... they're preseason ranked #13 of all things... getting all kinds of love!!! maybe we wouldn't point these things out. or maybe that was the objective?

how did 'nova do in the ivy last year?

I am calling it how I see it. In the words of Gobigred "Nova is utterly irrelevant in the discussion" so i do not see why you are bringing them up to move the goalposts. As mentioned the ACC has gotten the treatment that the Ivy league got last year for years. The new coach has exceeded expectations in year one, but unless he follows up, it is an aberration as stated from previous years records, they did not even make their league tournament last year for crying out loud. Also if we are going to nitpick they were 1-2 in B10 games Rutgers plays in that league and handled them 19-9.

I came on to call into question their preseason ranking being 13 thats it, play victim all you want, but opinions aside, i am just calling out the results.

ummm... because you discounted harvard's performance and you have an idea how villanova was? you didn't just call out the results. you brought up records from 6 years ago to show that their results last year were, in fact, much improved. so the antithesis of your argument. then u came up with michigan somehow, even though they're nothing alike. and who ironically harvard smoked on the road last year!

what does play victim mean, i don't consider myself a victim? fyi... no league gets "the treatment". people all lining up on leagues and conferences is a football thing. maybe basketball, too now that there are so few good ooc games.

haha you are too funny. i had to go back 6 years because there were no ivy league games in 2020 and 2021. figured that was the right sample size. If anything i complemented the Ivy for being such a tough league. villanova is a mid tier team in a upper mid league which again i am not sure why they are being brought into the conversation. I compared them to UM because they are a team that does not always perform in a great league, just like harvard. we are going in circles, i am sorry i offended you. I hope little johnny gets some PT this year when they are blowing out UVM

[Farfromgeneva]

Not sure how a team that lost 63% of its goals should be #2. Right now, I think the Terps are overrated. Means nothing, but they gotta be the least proven offense in the top 10

Because they've missed two final fours since 2011. They've lose players before. They're Alabama football. Top 5 until they aren't.

Don't you mean Georgia football?

Nope

[wgdsr]

Harvard to the Ivy League is like Michigan to the B10.
They beat up on inferior OOC opponents and benefit from being in a strong conference. Last year Harvard benefitted from sneaking out some Ivy wins, Michigan did not win a single B10 game.
I am happy to see them schedule UVA, but outside of that, OOC is something to be desired

Lotta nonsense written above. Michigan is utterly irrelevant to this discussion.

It's called drawing a comparison to perennial bottom feeders of strong leagues. Thats what they have in common.

but you misspelled dartmouth.

8 wins and 16 loses in conference since 2017 put the crimson and big green together in the basement IMO

so you get your own definition of basement? both from when they started in 2015 and in your cutoff scenario, michigan's conference win% and final league position is comp to dartmouth not harvard and it's not close.

i.e. win % .117 to .027 vs .361. none of which has anything to do with last year and a new coach. in 2 b1g games last year, they managed to go .500. why? because they literally went up to ann arbor and beat... michigan! by 5 goals. couldn't make this stuff up! looks like they might've won the patriot also!

had you not come on to roast harvard for their best season in recent memory because... they're preseason ranked #13 of all things... getting all kinds of love!!! maybe we wouldn't point these things out. or maybe that was the objective?

how did 'nova do in the ivy last year?

I am calling it how I see it. In the words of Gobigred "Nova is utterly irrelevant in the discussion" so i do not see why you are bringing them up to move the goalposts. As mentioned the ACC has gotten the treatment that the Ivy league got last year for years. The new coach has exceeded expectations in year one, but unless he follows up, it is an aberration as stated from previous years records, they did not even make their league tournament last year for crying out loud. Also if we are going to nitpick they were 1-2 in B10 games Rutgers plays in that league and handled them 19-9.

I came on to call into question their preseason ranking being 13 thats it, play victim all you want, but opinions aside, i am just calling out the results.

ummm... because you discounted harvard's performance and you have an idea how villanova was? you didn't just call out the results. you brought up records from 6 years ago to show that their results last year were, in fact, much improved. so the antithesis of your argument. then u came up with michigan somehow, even though they're nothing alike. and who ironically harvard smoked on the road last year!

what does play victim mean, i don't consider myself a victim? fyi... no league gets "the treatment". people all lining up on leagues and conferences is a football thing. maybe basketball, too now that there are so few good ooc games.

haha you are too funny. i had to go back 6 years because there were no ivy league games in 2020 and 2021. figured that was the right sample size. If anything i complemented the Ivy for being such a tough league. villanova is a mid tier team in a upper mid league which again i am not sure why they are being brought into the conversation. I compared them to UM because they are a team that does not always perform in a great league, just like harvard. we are going in circles, i am sorry i offended you. I hope little johnny gets some PT this year when they are blowing out UVM

does not always perform, michigan's 6 and 45!!!!

anyway, harvard's got a new coach and i hope they're on teevee this year. maybe nova, too if anything's off that streaming network. campbell can play.

hope you made the best call for all involved on holding your kid back for lacrosse in 8th grade, there cowboy.

[DocBarrister]

https://www.insidelacrosse.com/article/ ... otes/60569

1 Virginia (0 - 0) 506 (14) --
2 Maryland (0 - 0) 496 (8) --
3 Georgetown (0 - 0) 442 (1) --
4 Cornell (0 - 0) 438 --
5 Notre Dame (0 - 0) 411 (3) --
6 Princeton (0 - 0) 387 --
7 Yale (0 - 0) 341 --
8 Duke (0 - 0) 340 --
9 Rutgers (0 - 0) 294 --
10 Penn (0 - 0) 293 --
11 Ohio State (0 - 0) 287 --
12 Delaware (0 - 0) 199 --
13 Harvard (0 - 0) 168 --
14 Boston U (0 - 0) 150 --
15 Saint Joseph's (0 - 0) 144 --
16 Brown (0 - 0) 116 --
17 Denver (0 - 0) 114 --
18 Jacksonville (0 - 0) 89 --
19 North Carolina (0 - 0) 86 --
20 Richmond (0 - 0) 30 --

Receiving Votes:

Syracuse, Navy, Army, Michigan, Villanova, Loyola, Utah, Vermont, UMass, Johns Hopkins, Stony Brook

Johns Hopkins received votes!!!!!

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=BBZ7AfZR9xs

DocBarrister

[Laxfan#1969]

Harvard to the Ivy League is like Michigan to the B10.
They beat up on inferior OOC opponents and benefit from being in a strong conference. Last year Harvard benefitted from sneaking out some Ivy wins, Michigan did not win a single B10 game.
I am happy to see them schedule UVA, but outside of that, OOC is something to be desired

Lotta nonsense written above. Michigan is utterly irrelevant to this discussion.

Correct…especially because Michigan shouldn’t be mentioned in any conversation talking about the top teams…until they actually prove they can earn a winning record in conference.

Harvard was good last year and the had some really solid wins…Princeton being one of them and as we all know, Princeton was a very very good team last team

No shame in Harvard losing to Rutgers like that. They walked into a buzz saw and that happens. Rutger was very very good last year and your Cornell team really put it on them in the semis…Cornell was playing its best lacrosse of the year that final weekend…

Can’t wait for this to get going.

[wgdsr]

speaking of meeshegan, the rest of anish's twitter post should be included:
"... and @UMichLacrosse is making the NCAA Tournament this year."

i guess the season can officially begin.

[Typical Lax Dad]

speaking of meeshegan, the rest of anish's twitter post should be included:
"... and @UMichLacrosse is making the NCAA Tournament this year."

i guess the season can officially begin.

It’s Lacrosse Season!!

[Turnandrake]

Surprised High Point not on the list

[Farfromgeneva]

Surprised High Point not on the list

Nolting is gone.

[jrn19]

Surprised High Point not on the list

When was the last time they were a Top 20 team? like 4 years ago?

[Turnandrake]

Surprised High Point not on the list

Nolting is gone.

Still handle Loyola and Syracuse in the fall pretty easy. Again it’s fall.

[wgdsr]

Surprised High Point not on the list

When was the last time they were a Top 20 team? like 4 years ago?

2021

[Laxfan#1969]

Surprised High Point not on the list

Nolting is gone.

Still handle Loyola and Syracuse in the fall pretty easy. Again it’s fall.

I think Loyola played Syracuse and Nova in that fall scrimmage

High Point was there, but they played Cuse and Nova

[Turnandrake]

Surprised High Point not on the list

When was the last time they were a Top 20 team? like 4 years ago?

Right preseason top 20 is more of popularity contest then anything lacrosse related on the field

[Farfromgeneva]

High point is expected to finished 4th or lower in the A10 this year. Bucknell will be better

[jrn19]

Surprised High Point not on the list

When was the last time they were a Top 20 team? like 4 years ago?

2021

Maybe? They were 2nd or 3rd in a pretty meh conference that year, won the AQ, then got blown out in the tournament.