Duke 2022

[HopFan16]

Is there a team in another sport that is consistently a title contender year after year, and yet still has exactly 0 fans?

FFG jokes about Nifong, but I believe this plays a part in the phenomenon you note. It certainly does in my case.

With a Duke diploma above my laptop as I type, I think I can fairly say this: During the hoax, we learned that Duke was entirely populated by haters and cowards. Not one person of any prominence at Duke even paid lip service to Due Process in public. Not even Coach K, who was untouchable, and had a *Leadership Institute* bearing his name at the Fuqua School of Business. Later, in a long article somebody linked from FanLax, we learned that the *only* concern of Duke's administrators was the Duke brand.

Now, maybe Hopkins is no better. Point is, we don't know. We do know in Duke's case.

Sure but if there are lots of silent, would-be Duke fans out there who share this view then why take it out on the current lax team and its players who had absolutely nothing to do with any of this?

[44WeWantMore]

Is there a team in another sport that is consistently a title contender year after year, and yet still has exactly 0 fans?

FFG jokes about Nifong, but I believe this plays a part in the phenomenon you note. It certainly does in my case.

With a Duke diploma above my laptop as I type, I think I can fairly say this: During the hoax, we learned that Duke was entirely populated by haters and cowards. Not one person of any prominence at Duke even paid lip service to Due Process in public. Not even Coach K, who was untouchable, and had a *Leadership Institute* bearing his name at the Fuqua School of Business. Later, in a long article somebody linked from FanLax, we learned that the *only* concern of Duke's administrators was the Duke brand.

Now, maybe Hopkins is no better. Point is, we don't know. We do know in Duke's case.

Interesting point-times will change as will personnel but I won’t let my kids go to Duke. They were entrusted with kids and sold them out flat out, to cater to a cohort of fighters and protesters without any evidence. I was more joking about the whining about those kids getting an extra year and old allegations it was the ncaa in conspiracy w Duke to prop up their lacrosse program.

May have been me on article as I read a New Yorker piece when it was going down and it always stuck with me. Going back to it’s roots as a tobacco backed school then buying its way into elite academic status by overpaying prominent liberal arts professors and being a “newbie” in an old school world.

Was this the piece?

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2006 ... -on-campus

Yes, that was the article. Thank you for your initial post and for reminding us. The scary thing to me is that it reads as a defense of Duke's Administration. Again, I am not claiming I know Hopkins is better; we just know exactly what Duke is.

[44WeWantMore]

Is there a team in another sport that is consistently a title contender year after year, and yet still has exactly 0 fans?

FFG jokes about Nifong, but I believe this plays a part in the phenomenon you note. It certainly does in my case.

With a Duke diploma above my laptop as I type, I think I can fairly say this: During the hoax, we learned that Duke was entirely populated by haters and cowards. Not one person of any prominence at Duke even paid lip service to Due Process in public. Not even Coach K, who was untouchable, and had a *Leadership Institute* bearing his name at the Fuqua School of Business. Later, in a long article somebody linked from FanLax, we learned that the *only* concern of Duke's administrators was the Duke brand.

Now, maybe Hopkins is no better. Point is, we don't know. We do know in Duke's case.

Sure but if there are lots of silent, would-be Duke fans out there who share this view then why take it out on the current lax team and its players who had absolutely nothing to do with any of this?

Because in collegiate sports, we root for an institution as much as we do for the players. Not exactly a fair comparison, but I used to root for Penn State in football. Of all the Enormous State Universities, it seemed to me that they ran a clean program where most of the players graduated, and JoePa cared about his 'kids'. I no longer root for PSU. Is that fair to the current players? Of course not. But fandom is not exactly rational.

[Farfromgeneva]

Is there a team in another sport that is consistently a title contender year after year, and yet still has exactly 0 fans?

FFG jokes about Nifong, but I believe this plays a part in the phenomenon you note. It certainly does in my case.

With a Duke diploma above my laptop as I type, I think I can fairly say this: During the hoax, we learned that Duke was entirely populated by haters and cowards. Not one person of any prominence at Duke even paid lip service to Due Process in public. Not even Coach K, who was untouchable, and had a *Leadership Institute* bearing his name at the Fuqua School of Business. Later, in a long article somebody linked from FanLax, we learned that the *only* concern of Duke's administrators was the Duke brand.

Now, maybe Hopkins is no better. Point is, we don't know. We do know in Duke's case.

Interesting point-times will change as will personnel but I won’t let my kids go to Duke. They were entrusted with kids and sold them out flat out, to cater to a cohort of fighters and protesters without any evidence. I was more joking about the whining about those kids getting an extra year and old allegations it was the ncaa in conspiracy w Duke to prop up their lacrosse program.

May have been me on article as I read a New Yorker piece when it was going down and it always stuck with me. Going back to it’s roots as a tobacco backed school then buying its way into elite academic status by overpaying prominent liberal arts professors and being a “newbie” in an old school world.

Was this the piece?

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2006 ... -on-campus

Yes, that was the article. Thank you for your initial post and for reminding us. The scary thing to me is that it reads as a defense of Duke's Administration. Again, I am not claiming I know Hopkins is better; we just know exactly what Duke is.

It's funny because I recall reading it in the middle of that scandal and discussing with a (black) colleague who was a little bit older than me (maybe late 30s early 40s when I was mid 20s) and who had some knowledge of lacrosse but hadn't played and went to NYU and suggested that it wouldn't shock me if the kids were rude, arrogant, got some sloppy mess show up and behaved poorly and when she left decided she'd get hers against them and it's sort of what happened. Had just read that piece as the behavior of the 88 faculty and administrators and overall reaction on that campus seemed disproportionate to what evidence we knew at the time. The shaming and full page ads all added up to something unbecoming almost even if they were guilty. I'm different, even at 22 I view a college as a ward for our children, not to say cover up or anything, but at a minimum remain neutral until it shakes out and be mindful that they are still kids and parents entrusted them to this institution to mold men - which also speaks to their own faults in the behavior they were shouting down.

Edit: I did however enjoy the sex review ppt that girl on campus created. Read it slide by slide...

[HopFan16]

Is there a team in another sport that is consistently a title contender year after year, and yet still has exactly 0 fans?

FFG jokes about Nifong, but I believe this plays a part in the phenomenon you note. It certainly does in my case.

With a Duke diploma above my laptop as I type, I think I can fairly say this: During the hoax, we learned that Duke was entirely populated by haters and cowards. Not one person of any prominence at Duke even paid lip service to Due Process in public. Not even Coach K, who was untouchable, and had a *Leadership Institute* bearing his name at the Fuqua School of Business. Later, in a long article somebody linked from FanLax, we learned that the *only* concern of Duke's administrators was the Duke brand.

Now, maybe Hopkins is no better. Point is, we don't know. We do know in Duke's case.

Sure but if there are lots of silent, would-be Duke fans out there who share this view then why take it out on the current lax team and its players who had absolutely nothing to do with any of this?

Because in collegiate sports, we root for an institution as much as we do for the players. Not exactly a fair comparison, but I used to root for Penn State in football. Of all the Enormous State Universities, it seemed to me that they ran a clean program where most of the players graduated, and JoePa cared about his 'kids'. I no longer root for PSU. Is that fair to the current players? Of course not. But fandom is not exactly rational.

I have a lot less sympathy for those PSU football players because they chose to join a program with a deeply rotten, venomous, literally criminal culture that for years enabled the systematic abuse of children. Not to mention the majority of their fans could not have been happier to pretend like the whole thing never happened—so it's not like the players don't have support. They're well taken care of. So yeah I actually do think that's more than fair towards those players if a handful of fans are not ready to become PSU football fans again. That incident was not merely a PSU administrative failure but also one directly tied to the football program itself.

Anyway, didn't Duke get a new president recently? I'm sure a lot within that administration has changed since 2007.

[ohmilax34]

Is the full page ad available anywhere online? I don't think I've ever seen it.

[10stone5]

Is there a team in another sport that is consistently a title contender year after year, and yet still has exactly 0 fans?

FFG jokes about Nifong, but I believe this plays a part in the phenomenon you note. It certainly does in my case.

With a Duke diploma above my laptop as I type, I think I can fairly say this: During the hoax, we learned that Duke was entirely populated by haters and cowards. Not one person of any prominence at Duke even paid lip service to Due Process in public. Not even Coach K, who was untouchable, and had a *Leadership Institute* bearing his name at the Fuqua School of Business. Later, in a long article somebody linked from FanLax, we learned that the *only* concern of Duke's administrators was the Duke brand.

Now, maybe Hopkins is no better. Point is, we don't know. We do know in Duke's case.

Sure but if there are lots of silent, would-be Duke fans out there who share this view then why take it out on the current lax team and its players who had absolutely nothing to do with any of this?

Because in collegiate sports, we root for an institution as much as we do for the players. Not exactly a fair comparison, but I used to root for Penn State in football. Of all the Enormous State Universities, it seemed to me that they ran a clean program where most of the players graduated, and JoePa cared about his 'kids'. I no longer root for PSU. Is that fair to the current players? Of course not. But fandom is not exactly rational.

I have a lot less sympathy for those PSU football players because they chose to join a program with a deeply rotten, venomous, literally criminal culture that for years enabled the systematic abuse of children. Not to mention the majority of their fans could not have been happier to pretend like the whole thing never happened—so it's not like the players don't have support. They're well taken care of. So yeah I actually do think that's more than fair towards those players if a handful of fans are not ready to become PSU football fans again. That incident was not merely a PSU administrative failure but also one directly tied to the football program itself.

Anyway, didn't Duke get a new president recently? I'm sure a lot within that administration has changed since 2007.

Good insight on Duke,
I was trying to come up with some sort of angle based on
my own limited contact with Duke alum, but was drawing
a blank.

As to Penn State,
way too many anecdotes of Paterno, the Admins, high profile
alum and ex-players turning a blind eye towards bad behavior
for the sake of the football machine.
That entire greater State College area was much too dependent
and maybe they still are,
on Penn State football to where they let things great and small, slide.

[44WeWantMore]

Is the full page ad available anywhere online? I don't think I've ever seen it.

It has been pretty effectively memory-holed, so this is typical of the low-resolution versions available in a quick search:
http://johnsville.blogspot.com/2007/02/ ... e-and.html

For obsessives who were following the case in real time, http://durhamwonderland.blogspot.com/ was invaluable.
Back in the day, there was a stark contrast with Nancy Grace on CNN Headline News.

[ohmilax34]

Is the full page ad available anywhere online? I don't think I've ever seen it.

It has been pretty effectively memory-holed, so this is typical of the low-resolution versions available in a quick search:
http://johnsville.blogspot.com/2007/02/ ... e-and.html

For obsessives who were following the case in real time, http://durhamwonderland.blogspot.com/ was invaluable.
Back in the day, there was a stark contrast with Nancy Grace on CNN Headline News.

Thanks!!!

[bananas]

Is there a team in another sport that is consistently a title contender year after year, and yet still has exactly 0 fans?

FFG jokes about Nifong, but I believe this plays a part in the phenomenon you note. It certainly does in my case.

With a Duke diploma above my laptop as I type, I think I can fairly say this: During the hoax, we learned that Duke was entirely populated by haters and cowards. Not one person of any prominence at Duke even paid lip service to Due Process in public. Not even Coach K, who was untouchable, and had a *Leadership Institute* bearing his name at the Fuqua School of Business. Later, in a long article somebody linked from FanLax, we learned that the *only* concern of Duke's administrators was the Duke brand.

Now, maybe Hopkins is no better. Point is, we don't know. We do know in Duke's case.

Sure but if there are lots of silent, would-be Duke fans out there who share this view then why take it out on the current lax team and its players who had absolutely nothing to do with any of this?

Because in collegiate sports, we root for an institution as much as we do for the players. Not exactly a fair comparison, but I used to root for Penn State in football. Of all the Enormous State Universities, it seemed to me that they ran a clean program where most of the players graduated, and JoePa cared about his 'kids'. I no longer root for PSU. Is that fair to the current players? Of course not. But fandom is not exactly rational.

I have a lot less sympathy for those PSU football players because they chose to join a program with a deeply rotten, venomous, literally criminal culture that for years enabled the systematic abuse of children. Not to mention the majority of their fans could not have been happier to pretend like the whole thing never happened—so it's not like the players don't have support. They're well taken care of. So yeah I actually do think that's more than fair towards those players if a handful of fans are not ready to become PSU football fans again. That incident was not merely a PSU administrative failure but also one directly tied to the football program itself.

Anyway, didn't Duke get a new president recently? I'm sure a lot within that administration has changed since 2007.

Penn State football program should have been shut down for good . Schiano was a assistant to that sick monster Sandusky for several years back in the early 90's . Want to believe his denials of knowing nothing afoul but rather Rutgers had stayed away. Practice my faith on my own , no use for institutions corrupted by men who cover up unforgivable sins. I was blessed that my parish piano teacher passed away before any damage could be done. Parents should always be on high alert for these vultures.

[Matnum PI]

For his last year at Duke, Nakeie Montgomery is playing football and lacrosse. As an RB, he’s gotten limited carries but he’s done well with those carries, Duke plays Louisville tonight, and… Who knows?

https://network.lummys.com/content/RiK8OoSzFCXUjef

[Matnum PI]

[Matnum PI]

Duke
5
2ND PERIOD
5:23
6
High Point

[Turnandrake]

Duke down 1 at half.

[wgdsr]

duke is a raw piece of sculpture material early season but then improve because of all the coaching into a work of art.

[Matnum PI]

duke is a raw piece of sculpture material early season but then improve because of all the coaching into a work of art.

Agreed. Disparate pieces that learn to become one.
Now up by 1. 3rd Q...

[Turnandrake]

14-11 final Duke won.

[wgdsr]

14-11 final Duke won.

they must be playing a 5th quarter, then because it's 14-12.

[youthathletics]

14-11 final Duke won.

they must be playing a 5th quarter, then because it's 14-12.

qtr 6, 16-12 now

[Turnandrake]

14-11 final Duke won.

they must be playing a 5th quarter, then because it's 14-12.

qtr 6, 16-12 now

Lol trying to watch to many games….18-14 final