Supreme Court Ruling

[a fan]

I think eventually colleges will try and help their players commercialize their NILs … for a small (or not so small) cut of the action, of course.

DocBarrister

...and if you're an attorney/agent representing these players, Doc? You're gonna charge these same colleges and conferences a fat fee to commercialize the players NIL to market the games.

And what happens if the player says "no, you can't use my image unless you pony up?"

The one way street of everyone but the players making money are over, Doc. That much is clear.

[SCLaxAttack]

NCAA Division I Council recommends interim policy on name, image and likeness to Division I Board of Directors:

https://www.ncaa.org/about/resources/me ... ess-policy

[a fan]

NCAA Division I Council recommends interim policy on name, image and likeness to Division I Board of Directors:

https://www.ncaa.org/about/resources/me ... ess-policy

From your citation:

College athletes can use a professional services provider for NIL activities.


That means sports agents are now legal.

Picture what it will look like when a billion dollar sports agency starts advocating for their NCAA clients.

The next few years will be bananas......

[MDlaxfan76]

NCAA Division I Council recommends interim policy on name, image and likeness to Division I Board of Directors:

https://www.ncaa.org/about/resources/me ... ess-policy

This will clear the way to get rid of the most stupid stuff that impacts athletes in our sport (lacrosse), but the real question is whether this is the death knell of the NCAA and whether full unionization happens across the board.

[youthathletics]

Reggie Bush...

[palaxoff]

While I feel bad for Reggie, I used to get tickets when the highway speed limit was 55 and I was doing 65. When they raised the speed limit didn't get my money back You have to play by the rules at the time. No matter how bad. I hope the $60,000,000 career earning in the NFL help with the pain.

So anyone thought about how the booster might abuse this rule for their team. Maybe the summer internships are $35,000

[a fan]

This will clear the way to get rid of the most stupid stuff that impacts athletes in our sport (lacrosse), but the real question is whether this is the death knell of the NCAA and whether full unionization happens across the board.

I'm having a difficult time envisioning anything but unions for each sport, or some group that can bargain with the NCAA or Conferences etc. for their share of the take.

The ruling is about use of a player's name and image, right? Well, where else is a player's name and image used more than a telecast of a game? And are they getting paid for the use of their image and name in these games? Nope.

I'm not a lawyer, but it seems like those TV contracts are where the bulk of the money is piled for Football and Basketball players. I can't imagine that money being left on the table by a billion dollar sports agency repping the players. They're going to insist on their cut for using the players Name and Image during a broadcast.

And I can't see that happening in a reasonably orderly fashion without a player's union.

But...who knows where this is headed?

[InsiderRoll]

This will clear the way to get rid of the most stupid stuff that impacts athletes in our sport (lacrosse), but the real question is whether this is the death knell of the NCAA and whether full unionization happens across the board.

I'm having a difficult time envisioning anything but unions for each sport, or some group that can bargain with the NCAA or Conferences etc. for their share of the take.

The ruling is about use of a player's name and image, right? Well, where else is a player's name and image used more than a telecast of a game? And are they getting paid for the use of their image and name in these games? Nope.

I'm not a lawyer, but it seems like those TV contracts are where the bulk of the money is piled for Football and Basketball players. I can't imagine that money being left on the table by a billion dollar sports agency repping the players. They're going to insist on their cut for using the players Name and Image during a broadcast.

And I can't see that happening in a reasonably orderly fashion without a player's union.

But...who knows where this is headed?

For lacrosse I think this will be used more for ability for them to take endorsement money or use their personal name and brand for a camp etc.

I.e Mitchell Pelkhe who has a big social following might get paid by string king to string a stick on his channel and plug the gear. Or Brennan O’Neill could now join with Team 91 for “Brennan O’Neill’s attack camp”etc.

At this point I wouldn’t expect much in the way of television revenue sharing, professional players don’t get revenue shares of TV. Not directly anyways.

[MDlaxfan76]

This will clear the way to get rid of the most stupid stuff that impacts athletes in our sport (lacrosse), but the real question is whether this is the death knell of the NCAA and whether full unionization happens across the board.

I'm having a difficult time envisioning anything but unions for each sport, or some group that can bargain with the NCAA or Conferences etc. for their share of the take.

The ruling is about use of a player's name and image, right? Well, where else is a player's name and image used more than a telecast of a game? And are they getting paid for the use of their image and name in these games? Nope.

I'm not a lawyer, but it seems like those TV contracts are where the bulk of the money is piled for Football and Basketball players. I can't imagine that money being left on the table by a billion dollar sports agency repping the players. They're going to insist on their cut for using the players Name and Image during a broadcast.

And I can't see that happening in a reasonably orderly fashion without a player's union.

But...who knows where this is headed?

My son is predicting player's reps right away beginning to make inroads, player's unions shortly. Thinks it's ultimately the death knell for the NCAA other than as sort of caretaker, referee in some instances.

We're having a barbecue Sat eve with a couple of his buddies, including a college coach, and expect we'll discuss over a few beers...

[keno in reno]

This will clear the way to get rid of the most stupid stuff that impacts athletes in our sport (lacrosse), but the real question is whether this is the death knell of the NCAA and whether full unionization happens across the board.

I'm having a difficult time envisioning anything but unions for each sport, or some group that can bargain with the NCAA or Conferences etc. for their share of the take.

The ruling is about use of a player's name and image, right? Well, where else is a player's name and image used more than a telecast of a game? And are they getting paid for the use of their image and name in these games? Nope.

I'm not a lawyer, but it seems like those TV contracts are where the bulk of the money is piled for Football and Basketball players. I can't imagine that money being left on the table by a billion dollar sports agency repping the players. They're going to insist on their cut for using the players Name and Image during a broadcast.

And I can't see that happening in a reasonably orderly fashion without a player's union.

But...who knows where this is headed?

My son is predicting player's reps right away beginning to make inroads, player's unions shortly. Thinks it's ultimately the death knell for the NCAA other than as sort of caretaker, referee in some instances.

We're having a barbecue Sat eve with a couple of his buddies, including a college coach, and expect we'll discuss over a few beers...

Hopefully the student reps will understand that the only sports that matter to the schools are football and men's basketball, and any women's teams that match the Title IX scholarship requirement. Schools will be happy to cut any money-losing program, and donors like the ones that saved Stanford's chopping block teams will pull their support real quick if their teams turn into a union-type situation where they demand more.

[a fan]

At this point I wouldn’t expect much in the way of television revenue sharing, professional players don’t get revenue shares of TV.

Sure they do! The MLB, NFL, and NBA all have TV revenue sharing spelled out in their CBA's. This is why I think that these colleges will HAVE to pay players their share of TV revenue....a lawyer repping a NCAA player can point to these CBA TV revenue sharing and say: "see, this is how it works in the free market". I can't imagine the NCAA or a University winning that fight, because the SCOTUS just told the NCAA that players have a right to seek compensation for name, image, and likeness.

How could that possibly NOT include televised games? Can you run a sport broadcast without showing a player, and calling their name out?

It's literally where all the money is in college sports. In what world would a professional sports agent NOT go after a piece of that revenue?

[youthathletics]

Called this when it first happened. But my take....as it advances, will ultimately ruin the product. When the inmates run the asylum it seldom, if ever works out. Why? because self-centered interests, cultivate division, which fractures overall progress. Yes, unions help 'standardize' and represent en masse, which supports their cause....but it is also not all sunshine and rainbows.

Anyone have a scenario they want to throw out that we can try and pick apart??

[keno in reno]

Lacrosse is one sport where college players, at least the few stars, could make significantly more than the pros based on TV time and fan loyalty. Shellenberger could probably make over $1 million in the next 3 years; maybe O'Neill too. Bernhardt would have made a lot this year, and imagine what a future Syracuse star (a genuine all-american, not an Anish/Carc "Rayfusssssss is Amazingggggg" pseudo hero) could make with their espn hype machine.

That said, it's a small pond and the real money is limited to a select few.

[44WeWantMore]

I'll bite at one possible end game.

Revenue Sports (call it 50 football and 100 men's basketball teams) go pro (or as A Fan would say: capitalistic). Difference-makers will hire agents who negotiate big bucks, reducing the incentive for one-and-done players to jump to the NBA. The other players required to field revenue-producing teams have an all-but-in-name union that negotiates compensation that after tax covers tuition, room, and board plus a small stipend (think AAA baseball level). The all-but-in-name union provides ex-players some kind of long-term health insurance for post-retirement health issues arising from their playing days. Over time, student interest in revenue sports continues to decline as the fiction of the student-athlete becomes more apparent.

Non-revenue sports (everything else) go D-III or even club model. A modest bump in Admissions. No scholarships. Maybe even pay your own way. No Title IX because there will be plenty of sports opportunities to meet all the demand equally once football and men's basketball are removed from the equation.

Complication in this simple scenario: A deep-pocketed alumnus wants to fund a non-revenue team.

[a fan]

No Title IX because there will be plenty of sports opportunities to meet all the demand equally once football and men's basketball are removed from the equation.

Why would you think that football and basketball would be removed from Title IX issues? Nothing has changed on that front.

[44WeWantMore]

No Title IX because there will be plenty of sports opportunities to meet all the demand equally once football and men's basketball are removed from the equation.

Why would you think that football and basketball would be removed from Title IX issues? Nothing has changed on that front.

Nothing has changed on that front yet. My hypothetical end-game is no athletic scholarships for anybody; D-III or club model for all non-revenue sports. For a handful of schools, football and men's basketball become essentially semi-pro teams that are licensed to use University branding.

[DocBarrister]

This will clear the way to get rid of the most stupid stuff that impacts athletes in our sport (lacrosse), but the real question is whether this is the death knell of the NCAA and whether full unionization happens across the board.

I'm having a difficult time envisioning anything but unions for each sport, or some group that can bargain with the NCAA or Conferences etc. for their share of the take.

The ruling is about use of a player's name and image, right? Well, where else is a player's name and image used more than a telecast of a game? And are they getting paid for the use of their image and name in these games? Nope.

I'm not a lawyer, but it seems like those TV contracts are where the bulk of the money is piled for Football and Basketball players. I can't imagine that money being left on the table by a billion dollar sports agency repping the players. They're going to insist on their cut for using the players Name and Image during a broadcast.

And I can't see that happening in a reasonably orderly fashion without a player's union.

But...who knows where this is headed?

My son is predicting player's reps right away beginning to make inroads, player's unions shortly. Thinks it's ultimately the death knell for the NCAA other than as sort of caretaker, referee in some instances.

We're having a barbecue Sat eve with a couple of his buddies, including a college coach, and expect we'll discuss over a few beers...

There definitely should be student-athlete unions for the major revenue sports like football and basketball. Not just to negotiate revenue sharing, but also healthcare benefits after college for the vast majority of players in those sports who will never play in the major professional leagues. Such unions would also have negotiating power to safeguard the health of students during college and to prevent abusive practices by coaches.

DocBarrister

[keno in reno]

This will clear the way to get rid of the most stupid stuff that impacts athletes in our sport (lacrosse), but the real question is whether this is the death knell of the NCAA and whether full unionization happens across the board.

I'm having a difficult time envisioning anything but unions for each sport, or some group that can bargain with the NCAA or Conferences etc. for their share of the take.

The ruling is about use of a player's name and image, right? Well, where else is a player's name and image used more than a telecast of a game? And are they getting paid for the use of their image and name in these games? Nope.

I'm not a lawyer, but it seems like those TV contracts are where the bulk of the money is piled for Football and Basketball players. I can't imagine that money being left on the table by a billion dollar sports agency repping the players. They're going to insist on their cut for using the players Name and Image during a broadcast.

And I can't see that happening in a reasonably orderly fashion without a player's union.

But...who knows where this is headed?

My son is predicting player's reps right away beginning to make inroads, player's unions shortly. Thinks it's ultimately the death knell for the NCAA other than as sort of caretaker, referee in some instances.

We're having a barbecue Sat eve with a couple of his buddies, including a college coach, and expect we'll discuss over a few beers...

There definitely should be student-athlete unions for the major revenue sports like football and basketball. Not just to negotiate revenue sharing, but also healthcare benefits after college for the vast majority of players in those sports who will never play in the major professional leagues. Such unions would also have negotiating power to safeguard the health of students during college and to prevent abusive practices by coaches.

DocBarrister

You just killed college lacrosse. And every other sport besides football and basketball.

[youthathletics]

This will clear the way to get rid of the most stupid stuff that impacts athletes in our sport (lacrosse), but the real question is whether this is the death knell of the NCAA and whether full unionization happens across the board.

I'm having a difficult time envisioning anything but unions for each sport, or some group that can bargain with the NCAA or Conferences etc. for their share of the take.

The ruling is about use of a player's name and image, right? Well, where else is a player's name and image used more than a telecast of a game? And are they getting paid for the use of their image and name in these games? Nope.

I'm not a lawyer, but it seems like those TV contracts are where the bulk of the money is piled for Football and Basketball players. I can't imagine that money being left on the table by a billion dollar sports agency repping the players. They're going to insist on their cut for using the players Name and Image during a broadcast.

And I can't see that happening in a reasonably orderly fashion without a player's union.

But...who knows where this is headed?

My son is predicting player's reps right away beginning to make inroads, player's unions shortly. Thinks it's ultimately the death knell for the NCAA other than as sort of caretaker, referee in some instances.

We're having a barbecue Sat eve with a couple of his buddies, including a college coach, and expect we'll discuss over a few beers...

There definitely should be student-athlete unions for the major revenue sports like football and basketball. Not just to negotiate revenue sharing, but also healthcare benefits after college for the vast majority of players in those sports who will never play in the major professional leagues. Such unions would also have negotiating power to safeguard the health of students during college and to prevent abusive practices by coaches.

DocBarrister

You just killed college lacrosse. And every other sport besides football and basketball.

Yup and then some.

[cbrass]

Call them what they already are for certain athletes/sports at many schools: independant contractors. Get rid of the requirement to enroll as a student. Just do your job and get paid.