Hobart 2021

[oldbartman]

The latest podcast (#15)

https://hwsathletics.com/news/2020/11/1 ... lable.aspx

[catchnshoot]

Good for Scottie
Worked hard and grew his game each year
Too bad Hobart couldn’t keep him
Good for The Blue Hens

[Farfromgeneva]

Realize Ty Yanko is more of a box type, but did play A and M in HS so wonder if he could take some of Scott's minutes. Mainly he'd have to be prepared to play two ways.

Not to jinx the season, but depending on how you count/view 2020, this would be Coach Raymonds 7th season. That's the same as BJ and Matt Kerwick had and two more than TW. So if we have a season this year and then get into next it's strange to think about but Coach R would be the longest tenured coach in Hobarts D1 history. And I feel like we still have a lot of momentum and talent that grows by the week, so I really hope we figure out a season here. If we can stay healthy I really believe, like last year (and 2019 as well) that we have a great shot at winning the AQ and even a punchers chance in the two upstate rivarly games (Cornell and Cuse)

[Farfromgeneva]

One thing I was wondering about is that while I love the local recruiting focus and increased success, does Coach R's comments in the prior podcast indicate he isn't very interested in kids from Salisbury where we've had a pipeline for nearly two decades due to Bobby Wynne being there. Coach Wynne is a awesome guy, but more a talent over discipline, or "players coach" type which in theory doesn't fit with what Coach R is wanting. I'm sure the official line is they still hit Salisbury hard but unofficially have a more casual approach to it?

Other thought, with all due respect to all the contributions we've gotten from kids from Culver over the past decade, we haven't had one that hit it big at Hobart. Could one on the roster or the FR Joel Stevens be the first to make a notable name for themselves?

[Farfromgeneva]

Another trivia fact. 2020 was the first year we had two 100pt scorers "graduate" in the same year in Holden and Scott. Love had the 5th year due to the dirtbag shot and injury he took against Binghamton in early 2014 or he would've graduated with Cam Stone.

I can't imagine in prior iterations losing two guys like that and being competitive. 2009 would be the best case having had Veltman and Kirk (who probably had 100 career pts but spent two years at UVM before transferring to Bart) graduate in 2008. That class also graduated Nick Currie, Sean Murphy (two excellent midfielders) and Dan Spinella (also a solid Rafe Mattingly) which was a small senior class but a strong one to replace. It was also after a nice 2008 season where Kerwick won ECAC COY and we put a beat down on Loyola, couple of goals shy of potentially making the playoffs, especially early games we played w/o Veltman who had a 3 game suspension to start the season for playing in a professional canadian league the prior summer. The Hanna/D3 mess and we had a bunch of internal strife, but brought back some serious talent with Jeff Colburn, Kevin Curtin, Matt Smalley and Justin Hager and started off 2009 on fire with really nice wins over Bucknell and GTown getting off to a 5-0 start. Then the wheels fell off the bus and we finished 7-7 with mind boggling losses to Rutgers (5-4), Fairfield (9-7, up 6-4 at half and couldn't do anything in second half at all), a close one though generally behind to PSU (10-8), got absolutely robbed at home by the refs vs. UMass where they gave them a tying goal about 5 seconds after the game was over (and after their thug D man murdered Fr Chris Pederson in the corner). Then we almost pulled off an OT game and potential win come from behind fashion at Cornell. So that was a solid season though could've easily been 9-5 or 10-4.

But this season, if we have one, will be weird with varying degrees of practice and recent PT for everyone. Worth noting what is gone and that we all should feel good about the next season.

[Laxfan1234]

Article about the ‘84-‘87 team: https://www.uslaxmagazine.com/college/m ... oul-patrol

[Laxfan1234]

Local article about the team:

https://fingerlakes1.com/2020/11/18/hob ... ason-blog/

[Tdemling6]

2022 Don Bosco (N.J.) LSM Michael Amoruso commits to Hobart
https://lacrossebucket.com/2020/12/11/m ... ommitment/

[bananas]

Good pickup

[Farfromgeneva]

We have and have had a number of good poles under Raymond and he was certainly a stellar one as a player, but somehow our wing play has been largely mediocre under Raymond. Seemed like Pedicine got no help his last two years and could be mitigated by strong wing play like Cornell did to us those years. Obviously wing play includes a lot of short sticks as well, but we could really use a strong vacuum of a LSM. Baltzer (SS) did very well In a short season but that’s an area with room for improvement.

[FMUBart]

Heard from a few folks that the Hobart coaching staff held an enthusiastic and passionate virtual zoom meeting last night. It was well attended and Coach Raymond is very optimistic that the boys will be playing this spring--even if it's only conference games. He is convinced that Hobart is well positioned to be a leader in the NEC for years to come. Would love to see them get back to the NCAA and WIN a game there!

[oldbartman]

Heard from a few folks that the Hobart coaching staff held an enthusiastic and passionate virtual zoom meeting last night. It was well attended and Coach Raymond is very optimistic that the boys will be playing this spring--even if it's only conference games. He is convinced that Hobart is well positioned to be a leader in the NEC for years to come. Would love to see them get back to the NCAA and WIN a game there!

That's great to hear. hope the games against Cornell and Cuse can be played as well.

[Farfromgeneva]

Conference sweep in 20!

[oldbartman]

Another 2022 recruit!

Congrats to Seamus Schofield of Blue Star Lacrosse
@bluestarlax
+ Delran High School | NJ 2022 | Faceoff, Mid on committing to Hobart and William Smith Colleges, Men's D1
@hobartlacrosse
#GoStatesmen
@ConnectLAX

https://twitter.com/toplaxrecruits/stat ... 32/photo/1

[Farfromgeneva]

I don’t know if this is intentional, or much anything about that club, but seems like we’ve been getting a number of kids from that club since Christiansen. Matt Turner, Tim Murray. Think there’s one or two others and now this one in a 2-3 year period is just an observation worth noting.

Too bad we couldn’t have gotten Chris Fake to pass on UVA and Yale for Geneva...

[Laxgunea]

All I want for Christmas is a season.
Merry Christmas everyone. And a better 2021.

[Farfromgeneva]

Acknowledging the website and game note info can be off and also that we often play 4-5 attack these days, Semi positionless, does it seem at all skewed that we have eight (8) listed attackmen and twenty five (25) listed midfielders not including segregated LSM but including some FO specialists (3), so net 22 midfielders. We’ve seen Archer and Mott “invert” and play midfield, but Grooms and Knox are pure crease guys. The other attackmen are Ward (6’5”), Durkin (6’2”), Dattellas (6’) and Barthelme (6’7”) who are mostly big kids and seem more like crease players.

Knox is established in front of cage, if we have anything close to a full season he’s getting 50 goals I’d put money on (3/gm basically in a 16 game season). I’d like to see Archer behind the cage but hear it may be Mott due to height and visibility. Either way attack is set as I think Barthelme and Grooms are ready and capable to start and I’m sure at least one FR will contribute there.

Hope this means we have the depth to run three mid lines full season as we haven’t done that full year in forever. What the lines will be is a big curiousity to me. I was always high on Brian Mitrow as a potential combination of Taylor VDBK and Sean Murphy and we should remember he was starting 1st line to start last season but got hurt for a second year in a row. Obviously Madonna owns one 1st line spot and between Archer and Mott one of those spots will be taken and I’d guess that Herlihy earned a spot given his 12,1 in 5 games on 55% shooting but arguably he could be an awesome leader of a second line as well. Third could be any of a bunch of kids including (if healthy) Mitrow, Simas (coaches have given a ton of run to since being a FR), Romm, Bach (FR), Delaney (FR), Durkin (FR A, but produced similar to Archer in Hs and is 6’2”), Baltzer, Meite (more likely SSDM given speed), Barthelme and then the rest who I don’t mean to not name but seem behind these ones in PT except the FR.

But still let’s say Mott, Madonna & Simas is 1. Then Herlihy, Mitrow and Baltzer 2. That still would leave all the FR plus Meite, Romm, maybe Barthelme t he rest of the midfielders for a third line which would be less experienced but in years past would’ve qualified as a solid second line for us.

[Ketch]

Can‘t agree with your putting Simas on the first midfield line. It‘s Mott, Madonna, and Herlihy. Herlihy has proven it on the field. I don‘t believe that Simas has. Not to get down on him, because the potential is there, but my last impression of him is from the Syracuse game, and it wasn‘t pretty.

[Farfromgeneva]

Well you could pick someone else as well I just got the sense the staff sees something in Simas because he’s gotten a lot of opportunities (that somebody like Zach Reed or Tanner John didn’t get a few years back).

I agree Herlihy earned it but if there were anyone else equally capable you could see making him the leader of a second line the way a strong sixth man can lead a second group in basketball (some become all stars and/or starters as well) so as to assure a known threat on second line. His production was excellent in the shortened season. More of an idea to balance out a second line a little. If we’ve built a deep enough team that we think we have we will need to lean on that second mid line occasionally more than we may have in the past.

But a first line of

Mott (Sr) - 32 games, 21g, 25a, 46pts
Madonna (Jr) - 19 games, 30g, 11a, 41pts (41% shooting)
Herlihy (So) - 5 games, 12g, 1a, 13pts (52% shooting)

is pretty potent. As with midfield, assuming no Fr break into either first line, I presume the starting attack is

Knox (Jr) - 21 games, 54g, 8a, 62pts (44% shooting)
Archer (Sr) - 35 games, 45g, 48a, 93pts
(Either) Grooms (So) - 5 games, 5g, 2a, 7pts or;
Barthelme (So) - 4 games, 0g, 4a, 4pts

That’s arguably less seasoned than the last two years and yet I have supreme confidence in the younger guys. The way the classes are staggered is interesting as well.

Feels like it’s open for a FR to take a attack spot as well as good as the two above looked in limited action. Money would be on Durkin, possibly Delaney or ward

[laxreference]

Had a dream last night, don't even remember what it was. All I remember is that there was a guy with a Hobart Lacrosse hat.

That is all.