Socialism

[Brooklyn]

How did the topic "Socialism" get pushed to the second page?

You lib progressives presidential front runner is and has been an avowed SOCIALIST for 5 decades.

You tryin to hide that fact.

Avowed "socialist" from Brooklyn who affirms "Marxist" ideals such as universal health care (Jefferson), free public education (Jefferson), regulation (Hamilton), social security (Paine). Funny how those Marxist idealists who inspired Bernie developed these principles before Marx was born. Call it socialism if you will. The more logical and more truthful categorization would be to name it "Americanism".

[Trinity]

Socialist pants.

[a fan]

How did the topic "Socialism" get pushed to the second page?

You lib progressives presidential front runner is and has been an avowed SOCIALIST for 5 decades.

You tryin to hide that fact.

Still struggling with what the word socialism means.

If you were in charge, would you shut down the University of Maryland? It's a socialist institution.

Or what about U Maryland Health? Those are government doctors, my friend. Paid by the .gov. Is that bad?

[MDlaxfan76]

How did the topic "Socialism" get pushed to the second page?

You lib progressives presidential front runner is and has been an avowed SOCIALIST for 5 decades.

You tryin to hide that fact.

Nice contribution, as always. Take a weekend and read up on stuff.

Keep your head in the sand smartazz

Another wonderful contribution 6ft.

I think Bernie's ideas go way too far for my taste, and likely for a whole lot of folks like me, so I'm hoping one of the more moderate, level-headed Dems manages to be the nominee instead. I see Bernie as very polarizing and I'm sick of this extreme polarization.

I do think Bernie is at least fundamentally honest and well-meaning. That's a plus.

That said, I doubt very much that Bernie's most aggressive ideas will be passed in his lifetime, so if we have to put up with a hard swing leftward for a term in order to get rid of Trump, I'll hold my nose and vote for Bernie. Once.

[Typical Lax Dad]

How did the topic "Socialism" get pushed to the second page?

You lib progressives presidential front runner is and has been an avowed SOCIALIST for 5 decades.

You tryin to hide that fact.

Nice contribution, as always. Take a weekend and read up on stuff.

Keep your head in the sand smartazz

Another wonderful contribution 6ft.

I think Bernie's ideas go way too far for my taste, and likely for a whole lot of folks like me, so I'm hoping one of the more moderate, level-headed Dems manages to be the nominee instead. I see Bernie as very polarizing and I'm sick of this extreme polarization.

I do think Bernie is at least fundamentally honest and well-meaning. That's a plus.

That said, I doubt very much that Bernie's most aggressive ideas will be passed in his lifetime, so if we have to put up with a hard swing leftward for a term in order to get rid of Trump, I'll hold my nose and vote for Bernie. Once.

I long time member of the GOP and a guy that was favorable towards Trump early on sent me a email and said he would prefer Bloomberg and Yang but he would vote for Bernie.....This is a guy that was just full of glee when Trump was elected.....has be to Mar-a-lago twice under Trump’s presidency. He has had enough.

[foreverlax]

How did the topic "Socialism" get pushed to the second page?

You lib progressives presidential front runner is and has been an avowed SOCIALIST for 5 decades.

You tryin to hide that fact.

Nice contribution, as always. Take a weekend and read up on stuff.

Keep your head in the sand smartazz

Another wonderful contribution 6ft.

I think Bernie's ideas go way too far for my taste, and likely for a whole lot of folks like me, so I'm hoping one of the more moderate, level-headed Dems manages to be the nominee instead. I see Bernie as very polarizing and I'm sick of this extreme polarization.

I do think Bernie is at least fundamentally honest and well-meaning. That's a plus.

That said, I doubt very much that Bernie's most aggressive ideas will be passed in his lifetime, so if we have to put up with a hard swing leftward for a term in order to get rid of Trump, I'll hold my nose and vote for Bernie. Once.

I long time member of the GOP and a guy that was favorable towards Trump early on sent me a email and said he would prefer Bloomberg and Yang but he would vote for Bernie.....This is a guy that was just full of glee when Trump was elected.....has be to Mar-a-lago twice under Trump’s presidency. He has had enough.

Where does he vote?

[Typical Lax Dad]

Mass.

[6ftstick]

How did the topic "Socialism" get pushed to the second page?

You lib progressives presidential front runner is and has been an avowed SOCIALIST for 5 decades.

You tryin to hide that fact.

Nice contribution, as always. Take a weekend and read up on stuff.

Keep your head in the sand smartazz

Another wonderful contribution 6ft.

I think Bernie's ideas go way too far for my taste, and likely for a whole lot of folks like me, so I'm hoping one of the more moderate, level-headed Dems manages to be the nominee instead. I see Bernie as very polarizing and I'm sick of this extreme polarization.

I do think Bernie is at least fundamentally honest and well-meaning. That's a plus.

That said, I doubt very much that Bernie's most aggressive ideas will be passed in his lifetime, so if we have to put up with a hard swing leftward for a term in order to get rid of Trump, I'll hold my nose and vote for Bernie. Once.

I long time member of the GOP and a guy that was favorable towards Trump early on sent me a email and said he would prefer Bloomberg and Yang but he would vote for Bernie.....This is a guy that was just full of glee when Trump was elected.....has be to Mar-a-lago twice under Trump’s presidency. He has had enough.

You libs are so full of crap.

Every one of you purports to know a former republican that hates trump.Never vote for the stinking scum again.Can't stand him.

Same lies we've been hearing or four years.

[Typical Lax Dad]

How did the topic "Socialism" get pushed to the second page?

You lib progressives presidential front runner is and has been an avowed SOCIALIST for 5 decades.

You tryin to hide that fact.

Nice contribution, as always. Take a weekend and read up on stuff.

Keep your head in the sand smartazz

Another wonderful contribution 6ft.

I think Bernie's ideas go way too far for my taste, and likely for a whole lot of folks like me, so I'm hoping one of the more moderate, level-headed Dems manages to be the nominee instead. I see Bernie as very polarizing and I'm sick of this extreme polarization.

I do think Bernie is at least fundamentally honest and well-meaning. That's a plus.

That said, I doubt very much that Bernie's most aggressive ideas will be passed in his lifetime, so if we have to put up with a hard swing leftward for a term in order to get rid of Trump, I'll hold my nose and vote for Bernie. Once.

I long time member of the GOP and a guy that was favorable towards Trump early on sent me a email and said he would prefer Bloomberg and Yang but he would vote for Bernie.....This is a guy that was just full of glee when Trump was elected.....has be to Mar-a-lago twice under Trump’s presidency. He has had enough.

You libs are so full of dump.

Every one of you purports to know a former republican that hates trump.Never vote for the stinking scum again.Can't stand him.

Same lies we've been hearing or four years.

He hasn’t been in office for 4 years.

[MDlaxfan76]

How did the topic "Socialism" get pushed to the second page?

You lib progressives presidential front runner is and has been an avowed SOCIALIST for 5 decades.

You tryin to hide that fact.

Nice contribution, as always. Take a weekend and read up on stuff.

Keep your head in the sand smartazz

Another wonderful contribution 6ft.

I think Bernie's ideas go way too far for my taste, and likely for a whole lot of folks like me, so I'm hoping one of the more moderate, level-headed Dems manages to be the nominee instead. I see Bernie as very polarizing and I'm sick of this extreme polarization.

I do think Bernie is at least fundamentally honest and well-meaning. That's a plus.

That said, I doubt very much that Bernie's most aggressive ideas will be passed in his lifetime, so if we have to put up with a hard swing leftward for a term in order to get rid of Trump, I'll hold my nose and vote for Bernie. Once.

I long time member of the GOP and a guy that was favorable towards Trump early on sent me a email and said he would prefer Bloomberg and Yang but he would vote for Bernie.....This is a guy that was just full of glee when Trump was elected.....has be to Mar-a-lago twice under Trump’s presidency. He has had enough.

You libs are so full of dump.

Every one of you purports to know a former republican that hates trump.Never vote for the stinking scum again.Can't stand him.

Same lies we've been hearing or four years.

Really? "lies" ???

I'm exactly such a life long R, voted every cycle for 4 decades, never pulling the lever for the Dem for President...yet will in 2020. Even if Bernie.

My wife has only voted once for D for President, 2008, then voted for Romney in '12 and she'll be voting D this time, regardless of candidate.

In our cases, we didn't vote for Trump or Clinton last time, voted protest. But this time will go D, no matter who.
Probably switch back in 2024 if a decent R candidate.

We know lots of such voters.

Also know some Trump voters who really don't want to vote for him again, disgusted...they're rooting for one of the moderates on the Dem side, making it easier for them to make that call.

[Brooklyn]

I think Bernie's ideas go way too far for my taste, and likely for a whole lot of folks like me, so I'm hoping one of the more moderate, level-headed Dems manages to be the nominee instead. I see Bernie as very polarizing and I'm sick of this extreme polarization.

I do think Bernie is at least fundamentally honest and well-meaning. That's a plus.

That said, I doubt very much that Bernie's most aggressive ideas will be passed in his lifetime, so if we have to put up with a hard swing leftward for a term in order to get rid of Trump, I'll hold my nose and vote for Bernie. Once.

When it comes to polarizing, nobody is anywhere as bad as tRUMP.

[Brooklyn]

How did the topic "Socialism" get pushed to the second page?

You lib progressives presidential front runner is and has been an avowed SOCIALIST for 5 decades.

You tryin to hide that fact.

Still struggling with what the word socialism means.

If you were in charge, would you shut down the University of Maryland? It's a socialist institution.

Or what about U Maryland Health? Those are government doctors, my friend. Paid by the .gov. Is that bad?

Or Virginia which was founded by Marxist Thomas Jefferson one year after Marx was born. Funny how forum right wingers never address those matters when questions are posed about them.

[MDlaxfan76]

I think Bernie's ideas go way too far for my taste, and likely for a whole lot of folks like me, so I'm hoping one of the more moderate, level-headed Dems manages to be the nominee instead. I see Bernie as very polarizing and I'm sick of this extreme polarization.

I do think Bernie is at least fundamentally honest and well-meaning. That's a plus.

That said, I doubt very much that Bernie's most aggressive ideas will be passed in his lifetime, so if we have to put up with a hard swing leftward for a term in order to get rid of Trump, I'll hold my nose and vote for Bernie. Once.

When it comes to polarizing, nobody is anywhere as bad as tRUMP.

No argument with that, though you might be surprised at how Bernie's angry class warfare and enormous social-spending policies come across to traditional GOP voters.

[Trinity]

They come across as Con-job bs to this Democrat.

[Brooklyn]

When it comes to polarizing, nobody is anywhere as bad as tRUMP.

No argument with that, though you might be surprised at how Bernie's angry class warfare and enormous social-spending policies come across to traditional GOP voters.

""We had to struggle with the old enemies of peace -- business and financial monopoly, speculation, reckless banking, class antagonism, sectionalism, war profiteering," he declared in New York. "They had begun to consider the government of the United States as a mere appendage to their own affairs. We know now that government by organized money is just as dangerous as government by organized mob. Never before have these forces been so united against one candidate as they stand today. They are unanimous in their hate for me - and I welcome their hatred."

~ No, not the words of Bernie Sanders but those of FDR who makes the Sanders campaign against elitist classism look quite tame.

[MDlaxfan76]

When it comes to polarizing, nobody is anywhere as bad as tRUMP.

No argument with that, though you might be surprised at how Bernie's angry class warfare and enormous social-spending policies come across to traditional GOP voters.

""We had to struggle with the old enemies of peace -- business and financial monopoly, speculation, reckless banking, class antagonism, sectionalism, war profiteering," he declared in New York. "They had begun to consider the government of the United States as a mere appendage to their own affairs. We know now that government by organized money is just as dangerous as government by organized mob. Never before have these forces been so united against one candidate as they stand today. They are unanimous in their hate for me - and I welcome their hatred."

~ No, not the words of Bernie Sanders but those of FDR who makes the Sanders campaign against elitist classism look quite tame.

Worth watching:

https://www.cnn.com/videos/tv/2020/03/0 ... s-take.cnn

[youthathletics]

When it comes to polarizing, nobody is anywhere as bad as tRUMP.

No argument with that, though you might be surprised at how Bernie's angry class warfare and enormous social-spending policies come across to traditional GOP voters.

""We had to struggle with the old enemies of peace -- business and financial monopoly, speculation, reckless banking, class antagonism, sectionalism, war profiteering," he declared in New York. "They had begun to consider the government of the United States as a mere appendage to their own affairs. We know now that government by organized money is just as dangerous as government by organized mob. Never before have these forces been so united against one candidate as they stand today. They are unanimous in their hate for me - and I welcome their hatred."

~ No, not the words of Bernie Sanders but those of FDR who makes the Sanders campaign against elitist classism look quite tame.

Worth watching:

https://www.cnn.com/videos/tv/2020/03/0 ... s-take.cnn

I wonder what a fan thinks about their VAT being so high? I believe he suggested something 3% across the board at one time. I could be wrong, just bringing him in to the discussion.

[a fan]

I wonder what a fan thinks about their VAT being so high? I believe he suggested something 3% across the board at one time. I could be wrong, just bringing him in to the discussion.

VAT is a retail tax that is levied on the end user. So manufacturers like me get a full pass, and a liquor store pays full freight...including my share. There is no word to describe how stupid this arrangement is.

This is ENTIRELY different than what I'm suggesting----any time a good or service changes hands, the consumption tax is levied. In my system, everyone pays in, no exceptions.

Further, when Fareed points out how much more progressive the US tax system is, he completely ignores that yep, the poor are taxed in Sweden. But as a group, they get all that money back, and then some, in the form of greater bennies than we get in the US. The poor have access to health care in Sweden. Full stop.

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BTW:
Sweden has a ratio of 49.8% of their GDP collected as taxes

The US has a ratio of 27.1% of their GDP collected as taxes


But guess how much of our GDP we blow on Health Care? 16.9% So the real number is 44%, not 27.1%....it's just we cut checks to our insurers and copays instead of to the .gov.

Now add in all the deficit we're carrying! As of the end of 2019? We're at 107% of GDP. Wanna guess where Sweden is? 38%


Good ol' Fareed ain't telling you the full story here, YA.....

[MDlaxfan76]

A fan, Fareed also discusses the stagnation of those economies before they reduced government and re-embraced capitalism. Fair point?

I think there’s a tipping point beyond which a system loses energy which we should be careful to avoid. The question is how to achieve the balance.

[a fan]

Yes, of course that's a fair point.

And I'm not saying we should move to Sweden's model.

In American, the balance....by any measure....has been moving so far over to favoring the 1%ers over the bottom 75%, it's not even a close call.

That's why leftie ideas sound so much better to young voters than what we have today...the field is so obviously slanted to the rich, it's ridiculous.

As you'd imagine, I prefer a moderate balance. I don't want Bernie. I want Kasich et. al, and slowly moving the scales toward the working class. What we are doing now makes no sense.

It makes no sense, for example, that Amazon is taxed less than my small business. It makes no sense that a 1st world nation---whether from the free market, or from socialism----can't provide reasonable health care at a reasonable price to its citizens.

And it makes no sense that monopolistic practices have been allowed in all sectors of American business, stifling competition and fair access to markets.

And it makes no sense that we allow taxes on big business are so low that we have to pay a half a billion+ per year on interest alone.

The system is broken.