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Re: 2020 Elections - CoronaPause

Posted: Tue Apr 14, 2020 5:23 pm
by ggait
Well this sure is unhelpful to Dems. Vernon Jones, black Democratic lawmaker from Georgia, today endorsed Trump. Who is now going to call this man all sorts of derogatory names?
No derogatory names. Fellow is free to endorse whoever he wants. Which he has done in the past. From the article you cited:

Jones reportedly kept pictures of Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee in his office, voted twice for former President George W. Bush and then “enthusiastically embraced” former President Obama’s White House bid.

You'd think Obama's endorsement of Joe today sure is helpful. : )

Re: 2020 Elections - CoronaPause

Posted: Tue Apr 14, 2020 5:41 pm
by MDlaxfan76
ggait wrote: Tue Apr 14, 2020 5:23 pm
Well this sure is unhelpful to Dems. Vernon Jones, black Democratic lawmaker from Georgia, today endorsed Trump. Who is now going to call this man all sorts of derogatory names?
No derogatory names. Fellow is free to endorse whoever he wants. Which he has done in the past. From the article you cited:

Jones reportedly kept pictures of Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee in his office, voted twice for former President George W. Bush and then “enthusiastically embraced” former President Obama’s White House bid.

You'd think Obama's endorsement of Joe today sure is helpful. : )
Never heard of Jones, heard of Obama.

Re: 2020 Elections - CoronaPause

Posted: Tue Apr 14, 2020 6:09 pm
by holmes435
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Tue Apr 14, 2020 5:41 pm
ggait wrote: Tue Apr 14, 2020 5:23 pm
Well this sure is unhelpful to Dems. Vernon Jones, black Democratic lawmaker from Georgia, today endorsed Trump. Who is now going to call this man all sorts of derogatory names?
No derogatory names. Fellow is free to endorse whoever he wants. Which he has done in the past. From the article you cited:

Jones reportedly kept pictures of Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee in his office, voted twice for former President George W. Bush and then “enthusiastically embraced” former President Obama’s White House bid.

You'd think Obama's endorsement of Joe today sure is helpful. : )
Never heard of Jones, heard of Obama.
You've never heard of Jones, the great (state) congressman?

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Re: 2020 Elections - CoronaPause

Posted: Tue Apr 14, 2020 6:48 pm
by Nigel
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Tue Apr 14, 2020 5:41 pm
ggait wrote: Tue Apr 14, 2020 5:23 pm
Well this sure is unhelpful to Dems. Vernon Jones, black Democratic lawmaker from Georgia, today endorsed Trump. Who is now going to call this man all sorts of derogatory names?
No derogatory names. Fellow is free to endorse whoever he wants. Which he has done in the past. From the article you cited:

Jones reportedly kept pictures of Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee in his office, voted twice for former President George W. Bush and then “enthusiastically embraced” former President Obama’s White House bid.

You'd think Obama's endorsement of Joe today sure is helpful. : )
Never heard of Jones, heard of Obama.
That's because 'it's Jones' fault' doesn't roll off the tongue quite like 'it's Obama's fault'.

Re: 2020 Elections - CoronaPause

Posted: Tue Apr 14, 2020 6:49 pm
by CU88
Just a reminder: every country in the world has had the same information from the W.H.O.
Only the US has had 600,000 cases and 25,000 deaths.

This is obvious blameshifting by the responsible party - Trump.

Re: 2020 Elections - CoronaPause

Posted: Wed Apr 15, 2020 4:25 am
by jhu72

Re: 2020 Elections - CoronaPause

Posted: Wed Apr 15, 2020 7:20 am
by seacoaster
Here's a very interesting article on the motives behind the Trump Campaign lawsuits:

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archi ... ts/607753/

"Donald Trump’s reelection campaign is launching a legal war against the free press. In the past two weeks, while Americans worried about the coronavirus, the Trump campaign has sued The New York Times, The Washington Post, and CNN. These suits are, legally speaking, frivolous. They pose no danger in court, where they’re all but certain to fizzle and fail. But don’t let that disguise their import. Outside of court, these lawsuits are a real danger to democracy. They abuse the American justice system to attack and intimidate America’s journalists.

Each lawsuit alleges that a particular article defamed the Trump campaign by portraying it as in cahoots with Russia. The standards a plaintiff must meet to show defamation in these sorts of circumstances—when discussing a public figure’s role in an issue of public concern, such as Trump’s relationship to Russia—are very high. Relying on the First Amendment’s protection for speech, the Supreme Court held in 1964 that a public figure alleging defamation must prove, with clear and convincing evidence, that the defendant made a defamatory factual statement knowing it to be false or showing reckless disregard for the truth. In the half century since, meeting that standard has always been difficult —just as the Court intended, so that vigorous expression about such figures could flourish.

Two telling clues reveal these suits to be frivolous. First, all three lawsuits target opinion pieces—not news reports asserting factual claims. While in theory an opinion piece could meet the Supreme Court’s high bar for defamation of a public figure, in practice this is very hard to imagine. Second, the statements alleged to be defamatory in the three suits haven’t been proved false—rather, they’ve been vindicated. The Times piece said Russia helped Trump in 2016 because it anticipated pro-Russia policies if Trump won. The Post piece said Trump invited foreign election interference in 2020. The CNN piece said Trump has deliberately not taken steps to prevent the solicitation of foreign election interference in 2020. All of these statements have been corroborated—the first by Robert Mueller’s report, the second by Trump’s own words, and the third by Trump’s own (non)actions.

But even if these lawsuits are unlikely to succeed, they can nevertheless do great harm. As Trump runs for reelection, the campaign may use these suits to boast that Trump is fighting the media, or what he calls “fake news.” The intention, it seems, is to scare away media outlets from publishing opinion pieces that use particularly critical words to describe his relationship with Russia. These tactics likely won’t work against the Times, the Post, or CNN. But think of smaller, local media outlets—whether newspapers, radio stations, TV news programs, or websites—that already are struggling to stay afloat as hundreds of other media outlets go under nationwide. For them, the prospect of having to litigate a defamation suit against the behemoth of the Trump campaign is intimidating—perhaps even prohibitively intimidating. An editor or lawyer at those outlets may pause on a particular adjective used to describe Trump’s relationship to Russia, think about the suits against the Times, the Post, and CNN, and then think really, really hard about softening that language. Going one step further, an individual writer may pause before even drafting words critical of Trump and his family—a likely effect of a November 2016 lawsuit filed by Melania Trump against a 70-year-old political blogger who writes from his Maryland townhouse.

That hesitation alone would amount to a severe blow to the free press that Americans rightly cherish and that the First Amendment protects. But Trump’s project seems even more malevolent. As he seeks reelection in the face of dismal approval ratings and widespread unpopularity, he’s given every indication that he will try to weaponize the organs of the government to help him. Trump already tried to exploit American military aid and diplomacy in order to damage a political rival via Ukraine. He has already asked his attorney general to investigate the very investigators who identified and prosecuted criminal activity by high-ranking figures associated with his 2016 campaign. And he already removed and replaced his acting director of national intelligence when a top official working for him briefed Congress honestly on 2020 election interference, installing a politically minded sycophant instead.

The courts—both federal and state—are harder for Trump to manipulate than the executive branch is. But in filing these suits, Trump seems to be trying to turn America’s justice system into a campaign tool. While the cases remain pending, Trump can brag to his supporters and scare media outlets, all without ever getting a judge to accept a single legal argument. What’s more, when the suits eventually fail, Trump can campaign against the courts and judges themselves, claiming—falsely—that the rulings against his campaign are more evidence that the system is somehow “rigged” against him with “Obama judge[s]” and the like.

Usually, any danger associated with lawsuits is that they’ll land a blow in court. The law—as usual—isn’t on Trump’s side. The danger with his campaign’s new lawsuits isn’t that he will win in court. It’s that, on the road to defeat, he’ll find ways to claim that he’s winning, while causing the same institutional damage to America’s courts that he’s wreaked in the executive branch."

Re: 2020 Elections - CoronaPause

Posted: Wed Apr 15, 2020 7:43 am
by cradleandshoot
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/election ... d=msedgdhp I sure hope someone woke up uncle joe from his command bunker in the basement. i guess after his aricept kicks in he will remember who Barack is.

Re: 2020 Elections - CoronaPause

Posted: Wed Apr 15, 2020 4:13 pm
by seacoaster
The Lincoln Project endorses Joe:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions ... -defeated/

"This November, Americans will cast their most consequential votes since Abraham Lincoln’s reelection in 1864. We confront a constellation of crises: a public health emergency not seen in a century, an economic collapse set to rival the Great Depression, and a world where American leadership is absent and dangers rise in the vacuum.

Today, the United States is beset with a president who was unprepared for the burden of the presidency and who has made plain his deficits in leadership, management, intelligence and morality.

When we founded the Lincoln Project, we did so with a clear mission: to defeat President Trump in November. Publicly supporting a Democratic nominee for president is a first for all of us. We are in extraordinary times, and we have chosen to put country over party — and former vice president Joe Biden is the candidate who we believe will do the same.

Biden is now the presumptive Democratic nominee and he has our support. Biden has the experience, the attributes and the character to defeat Trump this fall. Unlike Trump, for whom the presidency is just one more opportunity to perfect his narcissism and self-aggrandizement, Biden sees public service as an opportunity to do right by the American people and a privilege to do so.

Biden is a reflection of the United States. Born into a middle-class family in coal-country Pennsylvania, he has known the hardship and heartbreak that so many Americans themselves know and that millions more are about to experience.

Biden’s personal tragedies and losses tested his strength, his faith and his determination. They were enough to crush most people’s spirit, but Biden emerged more compassionate toward the suffering of others and the burdens that life imposes on his fellow Americans.

Biden did what Americans have always done: picked himself up, dusted himself off and made the best of a bad situation. In the years since he first entered office, Biden has consistently demonstrated decency, empathy and humanity.

Biden’s life has been marked by triumphs that didn’t change the goodness in him, and he is a man for whom public service never went to his head. His long record of bipartisan friendship and cross-partisan legislative efforts commends him to this moment. He is an imperfect man, but a man who loves his country and its people with a broad smile and an open heart.

In this way, Trump is a photonegative of Joe Biden. While Trump has innumerable flaws and a lifetime of blaming others for them, Biden has long admitted his imperfections and in doing so has further illustrated his inherent goodness and his willingness to do the work necessary to help put the United States back on a path of health and prosperity.

Unlike Trump, Biden is not an international embarrassment, nor does he demonstrate malignant narcissism. A President Biden will steady the ship of state and begin binding up the wounds of a fractured country. We have faith that Biden will surround himself by advisers of competence, expertise and wisdom, not an endless parade of disposable lackeys.

For Trump, the presidency has been the biggest stage, under the hottest klieg lights in a reality show of his making. Every episode leaves the audience more shocked and divided. Trump’s only barometer is his own ego. The country, our values and its people do not factor into Trump’s equation.

Biden understands a tenet of leadership that far too few leaders today grasp: The presidency is a life-and-death business, that the consequences of elections have real-world effects on individual Americans, and that all of this — all of the struggle, toil and work — is not a zero-sum game.

The coronavirus crisis is a terrifying example of why real leadership looks outward. This crisis, the deaths and economic destruction are immeasurably worse because Trump and his administration were unwilling to do what was necessary to mitigate its worst effects and bring the country back as quickly as possible.

We asked ourselves: How would a Biden presidency handle this crisis? Would he spend weeks lying about the risk? Would he look to cable news, the stock market and his ratings before taking the steps to make us safer? The answer is obvious: Biden will be the superior leader during the crisis of our generation.

We’ve seen the damage three years of corruption and cultish amateurism can do. This country cannot afford to be torn apart for sport and profit for another term, as Trump will surely do. If Biden takes office next January, he won’t need on-the-job training.

We are in a transcendent and transformative period of American history. The nation cannot afford another four years of chaos, duplicity and Trump’s reality distortion. This country is crying out for a president with a spine stiffened by tragedy, a worldview shaped by experience and a heart whose compass points to decency.

It is our hope that when the next president takes the oath of office in January, Joseph Robinette Biden Jr. will be the president for a truly united America. The stakes are too high to do anything less."

Re: 2020 Elections - CoronaPause

Posted: Wed Apr 15, 2020 7:13 pm
by jhu72
seacoaster wrote: Wed Apr 15, 2020 4:13 pm The Lincoln Project endorses Joe:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions ... -defeated/

"This November, Americans will cast their most consequential votes since Abraham Lincoln’s reelection in 1864. We confront a constellation of crises: a public health emergency not seen in a century, an economic collapse set to rival the Great Depression, and a world where American leadership is absent and dangers rise in the vacuum.

Today, the United States is beset with a president who was unprepared for the burden of the presidency and who has made plain his deficits in leadership, management, intelligence and morality.

When we founded the Lincoln Project, we did so with a clear mission: to defeat President Trump in November. Publicly supporting a Democratic nominee for president is a first for all of us. We are in extraordinary times, and we have chosen to put country over party — and former vice president Joe Biden is the candidate who we believe will do the same.

Biden is now the presumptive Democratic nominee and he has our support. Biden has the experience, the attributes and the character to defeat Trump this fall. Unlike Trump, for whom the presidency is just one more opportunity to perfect his narcissism and self-aggrandizement, Biden sees public service as an opportunity to do right by the American people and a privilege to do so.

Biden is a reflection of the United States. Born into a middle-class family in coal-country Pennsylvania, he has known the hardship and heartbreak that so many Americans themselves know and that millions more are about to experience.

Biden’s personal tragedies and losses tested his strength, his faith and his determination. They were enough to crush most people’s spirit, but Biden emerged more compassionate toward the suffering of others and the burdens that life imposes on his fellow Americans.

Biden did what Americans have always done: picked himself up, dusted himself off and made the best of a bad situation. In the years since he first entered office, Biden has consistently demonstrated decency, empathy and humanity.

Biden’s life has been marked by triumphs that didn’t change the goodness in him, and he is a man for whom public service never went to his head. His long record of bipartisan friendship and cross-partisan legislative efforts commends him to this moment. He is an imperfect man, but a man who loves his country and its people with a broad smile and an open heart.

In this way, Trump is a photonegative of Joe Biden. While Trump has innumerable flaws and a lifetime of blaming others for them, Biden has long admitted his imperfections and in doing so has further illustrated his inherent goodness and his willingness to do the work necessary to help put the United States back on a path of health and prosperity.

Unlike Trump, Biden is not an international embarrassment, nor does he demonstrate malignant narcissism. A President Biden will steady the ship of state and begin binding up the wounds of a fractured country. We have faith that Biden will surround himself by advisers of competence, expertise and wisdom, not an endless parade of disposable lackeys.

For Trump, the presidency has been the biggest stage, under the hottest klieg lights in a reality show of his making. Every episode leaves the audience more shocked and divided. Trump’s only barometer is his own ego. The country, our values and its people do not factor into Trump’s equation.

Biden understands a tenet of leadership that far too few leaders today grasp: The presidency is a life-and-death business, that the consequences of elections have real-world effects on individual Americans, and that all of this — all of the struggle, toil and work — is not a zero-sum game.

The coronavirus crisis is a terrifying example of why real leadership looks outward. This crisis, the deaths and economic destruction are immeasurably worse because Trump and his administration were unwilling to do what was necessary to mitigate its worst effects and bring the country back as quickly as possible.

We asked ourselves: How would a Biden presidency handle this crisis? Would he spend weeks lying about the risk? Would he look to cable news, the stock market and his ratings before taking the steps to make us safer? The answer is obvious: Biden will be the superior leader during the crisis of our generation.

We’ve seen the damage three years of corruption and cultish amateurism can do. This country cannot afford to be torn apart for sport and profit for another term, as Trump will surely do. If Biden takes office next January, he won’t need on-the-job training.

We are in a transcendent and transformative period of American history. The nation cannot afford another four years of chaos, duplicity and Trump’s reality distortion. This country is crying out for a president with a spine stiffened by tragedy, a worldview shaped by experience and a heart whose compass points to decency.

It is our hope that when the next president takes the oath of office in January, Joseph Robinette Biden Jr. will be the president for a truly united America. The stakes are too high to do anything less."
Nice piece.

Re: 2020 Elections - CoronaPause

Posted: Thu Apr 16, 2020 5:44 pm
by youthathletics
Joe appears to be getting worse, as mentioned before, Jill must know something is out of sync: https://www.instagram.com/p/B_DPaiTj6WD ... ucxtmxcuny

Re: 2020 Elections - CoronaPause

Posted: Thu Apr 16, 2020 6:06 pm
by runrussellrun
seacoaster wrote: Wed Apr 15, 2020 7:20 am Here's a very interesting article on the motives behind the Trump Campaign lawsuits:

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archi ... ts/607753/

"Donald Trump’s reelection campaign is launching a legal war against the free press. In the past two weeks, while Americans worried about the coronavirus, the Trump campaign has sued The New York Times, The Washington Post, and CNN. These suits are, legally speaking, frivolous. They pose no danger in court, where they’re all but certain to fizzle and fail. But don’t let that disguise their import. Outside of court, these lawsuits are a real danger to democracy. They abuse the American justice system to attack and intimidate America’s journalists.

Each lawsuit alleges that a particular article defamed the Trump campaign by portraying it as in cahoots with Russia. The standards a plaintiff must meet to show defamation in these sorts of circumstances—when discussing a public figure’s role in an issue of public concern, such as Trump’s relationship to Russia—are very high. Relying on the First Amendment’s protection for speech, the Supreme Court held in 1964 that a public figure alleging defamation must prove, with clear and convincing evidence, that the defendant made a defamatory factual statement knowing it to be false or showing reckless disregard for the truth. In the half century since, meeting that standard has always been difficult —just as the Court intended, so that vigorous expression about such figures could flourish.

Two telling clues reveal these suits to be frivolous. First, all three lawsuits target opinion pieces—not news reports asserting factual claims. While in theory an opinion piece could meet the Supreme Court’s high bar for defamation of a public figure, in practice this is very hard to imagine. Second, the statements alleged to be defamatory in the three suits haven’t been proved false—rather, they’ve been vindicated. The Times piece said Russia helped Trump in 2016 because it anticipated pro-Russia policies if Trump won. The Post piece said Trump invited foreign election interference in 2020. The CNN piece said Trump has deliberately not taken steps to prevent the solicitation of foreign election interference in 2020. All of these statements have been corroborated—the first by Robert Mueller’s report, the second by Trump’s own words, and the third by Trump’s own (non)actions.

But even if these lawsuits are unlikely to succeed, they can nevertheless do great harm. As Trump runs for reelection, the campaign may use these suits to boast that Trump is fighting the media, or what he calls “fake news.” The intention, it seems, is to scare away media outlets from publishing opinion pieces that use particularly critical words to describe his relationship with Russia. These tactics likely won’t work against the Times, the Post, or CNN. But think of smaller, local media outlets—whether newspapers, radio stations, TV news programs, or websites—that already are struggling to stay afloat as hundreds of other media outlets go under nationwide. For them, the prospect of having to litigate a defamation suit against the behemoth of the Trump campaign is intimidating—perhaps even prohibitively intimidating. An editor or lawyer at those outlets may pause on a particular adjective used to describe Trump’s relationship to Russia, think about the suits against the Times, the Post, and CNN, and then think really, really hard about softening that language. Going one step further, an individual writer may pause before even drafting words critical of Trump and his family—a likely effect of a November 2016 lawsuit filed by Melania Trump against a 70-year-old political blogger who writes from his Maryland townhouse.

That hesitation alone would amount to a severe blow to the free press that Americans rightly cherish and that the First Amendment protects. But Trump’s project seems even more malevolent. As he seeks reelection in the face of dismal approval ratings and widespread unpopularity, he’s given every indication that he will try to weaponize the organs of the government to help him. Trump already tried to exploit American military aid and diplomacy in order to damage a political rival via Ukraine. He has already asked his attorney general to investigate the very investigators who identified and prosecuted criminal activity by high-ranking figures associated with his 2016 campaign. And he already removed and replaced his acting director of national intelligence when a top official working for him briefed Congress honestly on 2020 election interference, installing a politically minded sycophant instead.

The courts—both federal and state—are harder for Trump to manipulate than the executive branch is. But in filing these suits, Trump seems to be trying to turn America’s justice system into a campaign tool. While the cases remain pending, Trump can brag to his supporters and scare media outlets, all without ever getting a judge to accept a single legal argument. What’s more, when the suits eventually fail, Trump can campaign against the courts and judges themselves, claiming—falsely—that the rulings against his campaign are more evidence that the system is somehow “rigged” against him with “Obama judge[s]” and the like.

Usually, any danger associated with lawsuits is that they’ll land a blow in court. The law—as usual—isn’t on Trump’s side. The danger with his campaign’s new lawsuits isn’t that he will win in court. It’s that, on the road to defeat, he’ll find ways to claim that he’s winning, while causing the same institutional damage to America’s courts that he’s wreaked in the executive branch."
Courts need the dues/fees.

Why does any of this bother you? Should he be using the Espionage Act instead? To harass the press?

Re: 2020 Elections - CoronaPause

Posted: Thu Apr 16, 2020 6:08 pm
by Peter Brown
While you yo-yo’s argue, read what you should be reading:

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/16/gilead- ... sults.html

Re: 2020 Elections - CoronaPause

Posted: Thu Apr 16, 2020 9:01 pm
by holmes435
Peter Brown wrote: Thu Apr 16, 2020 6:08 pm While you yo-yo’s argue, read what you should be reading:

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/16/gilead- ... sults.html
And? They're projected to have 500k doses / treatments by October. It's good news but it's not a miracle making it go away.

Re: 2020 Elections - CoronaPause

Posted: Thu Apr 16, 2020 9:42 pm
by Nigel
Peter Brown wrote: Thu Apr 16, 2020 6:08 pm While you yo-yo’s argue, read what you should be reading:

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/16/gilead- ... sults.html
Somebody should check Trump's mutual funds for possible Gilead ownership. He has to be involved somehow. ;)

Re: 2020 Elections - CoronaPause

Posted: Thu Apr 16, 2020 10:04 pm
by ardilla secreta
Gilead is a subsidiary of JaredCo.

Re: 2020 Elections - CoronaPause

Posted: Fri Apr 17, 2020 12:33 am
by holmes435
He went to Jared.

Re: 2020 Elections - CoronaPause

Posted: Fri Apr 17, 2020 8:07 am
by seacoaster
youthathletics wrote: Thu Apr 16, 2020 5:44 pm Joe appears to be getting worse, as mentioned before, Jill must know something is out of sync: https://www.instagram.com/p/B_DPaiTj6WD ... ucxtmxcuny
The link again showed nothing. But good to see you are out front, carrying Sean's water.

Re: 2020 Elections - CoronaPause

Posted: Fri Apr 17, 2020 8:18 am
by Peter Brown
seacoaster wrote: Fri Apr 17, 2020 8:07 am
youthathletics wrote: Thu Apr 16, 2020 5:44 pm Joe appears to be getting worse, as mentioned before, Jill must know something is out of sync: https://www.instagram.com/p/B_DPaiTj6WD ... ucxtmxcuny
The link again showed nothing. But good to see you are out front, carrying Sean's water.


Even the Washington Post thinks Joe may not be so fit.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions ... president/

Re: 2020 Elections - CoronaPause

Posted: Fri Apr 17, 2020 8:21 am
by Peter Brown
holmes435 wrote: Thu Apr 16, 2020 9:01 pm
Peter Brown wrote: Thu Apr 16, 2020 6:08 pm While you yo-yo’s argue, read what you should be reading:

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/16/gilead- ... sults.html
And? They're projected to have 500k doses / treatments by October. It's good news but it's not a miracle making it go away.


It actually is. If you get hit hard by this virus, this drug will almost surely 'save' you.

But I understand your predicament.