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Re: All Things Environment

Posted: Wed Jul 14, 2021 11:25 pm
by jhu72
Deforsted portions of the Amazon are net CO2 sources. Overharvesting trees is not a good thing.

Re: All Things Environment

Posted: Thu Jul 15, 2021 7:48 am
by PizzaSnake

Re: All Things Environment

Posted: Thu Jul 15, 2021 10:14 am
by DMac
jhu72 wrote: Fri Jul 09, 2021 10:05 am
ardilla secreta wrote: Fri Jul 09, 2021 8:08 am According to research, the monarch butterfly needs the native milkweed species not only as delicious nectar but also to host their eggs and larvae. Once the monarch eggs hatch into caterpillars, they rely solely on milkweed for their nourishment. Therefore, the larvae will not survive without milkweed.

So, do you have milkweed in your garden?

In the eight years at my current residence I have created a haven for the Monarchs by planting several milkweed plants. I’m not talking about the Common milkweed with its broad leaves typically seen in marshlands, but the significantly more decorative Swamp milkweed with narrow leaves on tall stalks with a cluster of small, long lasting pink flowers. In my front garden which features native perennials I have a Swamp milkweed, a white Aquatic milkweed and an orange Butterfly milkweed mixed in with assorted coneflowers, black eyed Susan’s, ironweed, Culver’s root along with a hydrangea, foxglove and zebra grass. In the back I have four Swamp milkweed.

Needless to say, I get plenty of Monarchs flying around. The milkweed has been an easy to grow perennial and is highly attractive addition. The bees appreciate it too. I’ve transplanted a couple to neighbors gardens, but otherwise it’s been slow to catch on. I think it’s largely because of its association with the less attractive Common milkweed.

So, do you have milkweed in your garden?

https://images.app.goo.gl/ZE6jJxVh7fS7Y5Qq7
... yes - 2 in a section with coneflowers, bee balm, coreopsis, and agastache butted up against the pond with potted physostegia. Half dozen butterfly bushes scattered about the yard. It all draws butterflies. Monarchs and Zebra Tails really like the section near the pond. The only downside is the butterfly bushes also draws brown marmorated stink bugs (Chinese Stink Bug). Little buggers got into the house through a roof vent (screen destroyed by squirrels) 6 or 7 years ago and made a real nuisance of themselves. Took me 3 years to get them all out of the house.
Now all you guys need is dog.
Lab actually puts his tennis ball down....takes something pretty special for that to happen.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DevNZ2RBJDg

Re: All Things Environment

Posted: Thu Jul 15, 2021 10:21 am
by jhu72
Great dog! Wife has started to warm to the idea of getting another dog. Enough time has passed. Will be a rescue.

Re: All Things Environment

Posted: Thu Jul 15, 2021 8:53 pm
by PizzaSnake
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Re: All Things Environment

Posted: Thu Jul 15, 2021 8:56 pm
by PizzaSnake
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Re: All Things Environment

Posted: Thu Jul 15, 2021 10:18 pm
by jhu72

Re: All Things Environment

Posted: Fri Jul 16, 2021 3:41 pm
by PizzaSnake
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Re: All Things Environment

Posted: Fri Jul 16, 2021 3:58 pm
by jhu72
Wow! Erosion much?

Re: All Things Environment

Posted: Fri Jul 16, 2021 4:04 pm
by PizzaSnake
jhu72 wrote: Fri Jul 16, 2021 3:58 pm Wow! Erosion much?
Germany

https://www.npr.org/sections/picturesho ... ate-change

Re: All Things Environment

Posted: Fri Jul 16, 2021 4:05 pm
by jhu72
PizzaSnake wrote: Fri Jul 16, 2021 4:04 pm
jhu72 wrote: Fri Jul 16, 2021 3:58 pm Wow! Erosion much?
Germany
I figured that. Somewhere in the south west I think.

Re: All Things Environment

Posted: Fri Jul 16, 2021 4:22 pm
by wgdsr
PizzaSnake wrote: Thu Jul 15, 2021 8:56 pm Image
cool pic. what're the chances?

Re: All Things Environment

Posted: Fri Jul 16, 2021 10:01 pm
by PizzaSnake
wgdsr wrote: Fri Jul 16, 2021 4:22 pm
PizzaSnake wrote: Thu Jul 15, 2021 8:56 pm Image
cool pic. what're the chances?
Of what? The precipitation event? The bystanders presence? Their seeming reactions? The arrangement of the vehicles? Or a composite probability of the entire tableau?

Re: All Things Environment

Posted: Sat Jul 17, 2021 7:11 pm
by PizzaSnake
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Re: All Things Environment

Posted: Sun Jul 18, 2021 8:37 am
by ardilla secreta
PizzaSnake wrote: Fri Jul 16, 2021 3:41 pm Image
This is what happens when you fail to pray.

Re: All Things Environment

Posted: Sun Jul 18, 2021 2:34 pm
by PizzaSnake
"Farms need outsized amounts of water to grow crops. During wet years, so much water could be channeled to central Arizona that it was possible, if inadvisable, to grow cotton, corn, barley and alfalfa in the desert. That may no longer be the case. But farms aren’t the only businesses that need water. Cutting-edge factories, including semiconductor plants, require millions of gallons daily. Two heavyweights in the chip industry, Intel Corp. and Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Co., plan to build major plants in Arizona, and those operations will be water-dependent, too."

https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2021 ... er-crisis/

Nope.

Re: All Things Environment

Posted: Sun Jul 18, 2021 2:37 pm
by Typical Lax Dad
PizzaSnake wrote: Sun Jul 18, 2021 2:34 pm "Farms need outsized amounts of water to grow crops. During wet years, so much water could be channeled to central Arizona that it was possible, if inadvisable, to grow cotton, corn, barley and alfalfa in the desert. That may no longer be the case. But farms aren’t the only businesses that need water. Cutting-edge factories, including semiconductor plants, require millions of gallons daily. Two heavyweights in the chip industry, Intel Corp. and Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Co., plan to build major plants in Arizona, and those operations will be water-dependent, too."

https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2021 ... er-crisis/

Nope.
Ask YA if they need water.

Re: All Things Environment

Posted: Sun Jul 18, 2021 3:54 pm
by youthathletics
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Sun Jul 18, 2021 2:37 pm
PizzaSnake wrote: Sun Jul 18, 2021 2:34 pm "Farms need outsized amounts of water to grow crops. During wet years, so much water could be channeled to central Arizona that it was possible, if inadvisable, to grow cotton, corn, barley and alfalfa in the desert. That may no longer be the case. But farms aren’t the only businesses that need water. Cutting-edge factories, including semiconductor plants, require millions of gallons daily. Two heavyweights in the chip industry, Intel Corp. and Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Co., plan to build major plants in Arizona, and those operations will be water-dependent, too."

https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2021 ... er-crisis/

Nope.
Ask YA if they need water.
Also, build smarter. Go underground or higher elevation, where the natural environment is a large source for heat transfer medium. Ever seen a Nuc Plant away from a large body of water. Additionally server technology is allowing for hotter and hotter server rack isles. The days of maintaining high 60's low 70's in a server room have risen 20+ degrees...especially since you do not need bodies in there 24/7.

Re: All Things Environment

Posted: Sun Jul 18, 2021 3:56 pm
by Typical Lax Dad
youthathletics wrote: Sun Jul 18, 2021 3:54 pm
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Sun Jul 18, 2021 2:37 pm
PizzaSnake wrote: Sun Jul 18, 2021 2:34 pm "Farms need outsized amounts of water to grow crops. During wet years, so much water could be channeled to central Arizona that it was possible, if inadvisable, to grow cotton, corn, barley and alfalfa in the desert. That may no longer be the case. But farms aren’t the only businesses that need water. Cutting-edge factories, including semiconductor plants, require millions of gallons daily. Two heavyweights in the chip industry, Intel Corp. and Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Co., plan to build major plants in Arizona, and those operations will be water-dependent, too."

https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2021 ... er-crisis/

Nope.
Ask YA if they need water.
Also, build smarter. Go underground or higher elevation, where the natural environment is a large source for heat transfer medium. Ever seen a Nuc Plant away from a large body of water. Additionally server technology is allowing for hotter and hotter server rack isles. The days of maintaining high 60's low 70's in a server room have risen 20+ degrees...especially since you do not need bodies in there 24/7.
Yep. Those plants don’t need that much water.

Re: All Things Environment

Posted: Sun Jul 18, 2021 7:44 pm
by PizzaSnake
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Sun Jul 18, 2021 3:56 pm
youthathletics wrote: Sun Jul 18, 2021 3:54 pm
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Sun Jul 18, 2021 2:37 pm
PizzaSnake wrote: Sun Jul 18, 2021 2:34 pm "Farms need outsized amounts of water to grow crops. During wet years, so much water could be channeled to central Arizona that it was possible, if inadvisable, to grow cotton, corn, barley and alfalfa in the desert. That may no longer be the case. But farms aren’t the only businesses that need water. Cutting-edge factories, including semiconductor plants, require millions of gallons daily. Two heavyweights in the chip industry, Intel Corp. and Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Co., plan to build major plants in Arizona, and those operations will be water-dependent, too."

https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2021 ... er-crisis/

Nope.
Ask YA if they need water.
Also, build smarter. Go underground or higher elevation, where the natural environment is a large source for heat transfer medium. Ever seen a Nuc Plant away from a large body of water. Additionally server technology is allowing for hotter and hotter server rack isles. The days of maintaining high 60's low 70's in a server room have risen 20+ degrees...especially since you do not need bodies in there 24/7.
Yep. Those plants don’t need that much water.

They use that much to produce "pure" water to rinse the product. It is not a temperature abatement equation. They are manufacturing silicon chips, not running server farms.

I'm curious if anyone reads the articles posted:

"But a chip fab, depending on its size, can use 2 million to 9 million gallons of water a day to produce a smaller amount of the ultra-pure water it needs to clean components. TSMC has said it recycles 87% of the water it uses. Intel says its goal is a recycling program that generates “net positive water use” in Arizona. It has funded 15 water restoration projects for the state that it says will potentially restore 937 million gallons annually."

Potentially? I'll gladly pay you tomorrow for a cheeseburger today...

Nature says: