Re: 2024
Posted: Mon Jul 29, 2024 11:03 am
I consider myself pretty moderate on most issues. I'm personally against abortion but that decision should be up to the mother. My most extreme position is probably as a fiscal conservative. I've always lived within my means. I never carry over debt on my credit card. I read today the national debt just exceeded 35 trillion and is increasing 1 trillion every 100 days. I'm infuriated that no one in Washington DC appears to care and are unwilling to do anything about it. The only 2 unpopular remedies are less spending and increasing taxes. I don't see either remedy gaining any traction anytime soon.a fan wrote: ↑Mon Jul 29, 2024 10:54 amWell, obviously it's complicated, because there are plenty of folks who are one or two issue extremists who are moderate everywhere else. And plenty of registered D's and R's who are moderates.cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Mon Jul 29, 2024 8:26 amOut of curiosity a Fan...how is a moderate suppose to be defined? IMHO both sides will point an accusing finger at you and say ... if you ain't fer us yer agin us...a fan wrote: ↑Mon Jul 29, 2024 12:31 amThere aren't two sides.....there are two extremes that have convinced themselves that there isn't an American Moderate. That there is no middle who just wants Congress to work as intended: to find a middle ground. The moderate path.WaffleTwineFaceoff wrote: ↑Mon Jul 29, 2024 12:21 amJust asking questions, trying to stay curious, remaining skeptical of both sides, and of course hoping to learn something along the way. Imho the negative human nature traits that we see in our opposition in America are traits we should realize are 99.99% likely to also be present to at least some degree on "our side" - so if we want to solve problems the mirror is just as important a tool as what we're pointing our finger at.NattyBohChamps04 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 28, 2024 10:22 pmA constitutional federal republic is a type of democracy. Like a square is a rectangle. Our founders weren't wary of "democracies", they just wanted the "right" people to stay in power. Namely people like them.WaffleTwineFaceoff wrote: ↑Sun Jul 28, 2024 12:33 pm All well and good except "While often categorized as a democracy, the United States is more accurately defined as a constitutional federal republic." (lifted from our federal government's website). Weren't the founders exceedingly wary of democracies? Would not our current state of affairs convince them their worst fears are being realized? Why are politicians today so relentless about using the D word (democracy) instead of the R word (republic)?
And what have we seen (more glaringly than ever in the last decade) that suggests once a punitive-minded democratic majority (initially principled but devolved into a semblance of what we see today - both sides) gains power that they won't weaponize against their opposition, and engage in activities with the sole purpose of consolidating and extending rule/power?
Love to see a link to founding period source material that confirms or even implies what you state above. Plenty of material which confirms their very wary eye toward democratic principles run amok. Declaration of Independence and Bill of Rights don't contain the word democracy, as we all know.
Are you happy with a punitive-minded minority gaining power and weaponizing it against the majority or other minorities?
No
Because that has happened in our country time and again throughout our history. Agree.
And this fake partisanship is entirely fabricated by the .01%ers who run media and Congress and our Multinational corporations.....keep them looking at stupid, pointless issues, while more and more money is shoveled to the extremely rich. You can't eat anger or hate. Or house your family with stupid fake issues concocted by politicians.
But generally speaking, a moderate doesn't hold any extreme positions. So to use an example....isn't against all gun reform, yet at the same time, doesn't want to ban guns.
Or if you look at yourself in the mirror, and realize you don't agree with either party. So for me? I don't like the heavy hand of law enforcement in some States, while at the same time, I also don't like the loosey-goosey approach taken in San Francisco.
I want the middle ground......where police don't shoot first, and ask questions later...while at the same time, we don't unnecessarily endanger the police when doing absurdly dangerous things like serving warrants. A rational, reasonable, middle of the road approach.