huh? This is the supposedly offensive statement???
“I had a productive call with Speaker Pelosi and Majority Leader Schumer earlier today. I briefed them on the most recent discussions that my staff and I have held with Senator Manchin about Build Back Better. In these discussions, Senator Manchin has reiterated his support for Build Back Better funding at the level of the framework plan I announced in September. I believe that we will bridge our differences and advance the Build Back Better plan, even in the face of fierce Republican opposition.”
huh? This is the supposedly offensive statement???
“I had a productive call with Speaker Pelosi and Majority Leader Schumer earlier today. I briefed them on the most recent discussions that my staff and I have held with Senator Manchin about Build Back Better. In these discussions, Senator Manchin has reiterated his support for Build Back Better funding at the level of the framework plan I announced in September. I believe that we will bridge our differences and advance the Build Back Better plan, even in the face of fierce Republican opposition.”
huh? This is the supposedly offensive statement???
“I had a productive call with Speaker Pelosi and Majority Leader Schumer earlier today. I briefed them on the most recent discussions that my staff and I have held with Senator Manchin about Build Back Better. In these discussions, Senator Manchin has reiterated his support for Build Back Better funding at the level of the framework plan I announced in September. I believe that we will bridge our differences and advance the Build Back Better plan, even in the face of fierce Republican opposition.”
My favorite conspiracy theory is that the government cares about you.
Re: ~46~ Unfit Uncle Joe Biden ~46~
Posted: Tue Dec 21, 2021 4:07 am
by old salt
Remember the progressive mob, in their kayaks, harassing Manchin on his houseboat, then trapping him in a parking garage.
The Squad's storm troopers went after the wrong country boy.
Re: ~46~ Unfit Uncle Joe Biden ~46~
Posted: Tue Dec 21, 2021 6:35 am
by youthathletics
old salt wrote: ↑Tue Dec 21, 2021 4:07 am
Remember the progressive mob, in their kayaks, harassing Manchin on his houseboat, then trapping him in a parking garage.
The Squad's storm troopers went after the wrong country boy.
Joe Manchin shoulda done what Biden recommended:
Re: ~46~ Unfit Uncle Joe Biden ~46~
Posted: Tue Dec 21, 2021 11:08 am
by Kismet
Twitter line of the day re Manchin
"You can live with him on his Luxury Houseboat. He has plenty of room for you. He changed the name from Almost Heaven to Go to Hell"
Re: ~46~ Unfit Uncle Joe Biden ~46~
Posted: Tue Dec 21, 2021 1:39 pm
by youthathletics
Kismet wrote: ↑Tue Dec 21, 2021 11:08 am
Twitter line of the day re Manchin
"You can live with him on his Luxury Houseboat. He has plenty of room for you. He changed the name from Almost Heaven to Go to Hell"
Who wants a friendly fanlax wager that Manchin shines like a diamond when the dust settles on this?
Kismet wrote: ↑Tue Dec 21, 2021 11:08 am
Twitter line of the day re Manchin
"You can live with him on his Luxury Houseboat. He has plenty of room for you. He changed the name from Almost Heaven to Go to Hell"
Who wants a friendly fanlax wager that Manchin shines like a diamond when the dust settles on this?
Kismet wrote: ↑Tue Dec 21, 2021 11:08 am
Twitter line of the day re Manchin
"You can live with him on his Luxury Houseboat. He has plenty of room for you. He changed the name from Almost Heaven to Go to Hell"
Who wants a friendly fanlax wager that Manchin shines like a diamond when the dust settles on this?
Kismet wrote: ↑Tue Dec 21, 2021 11:08 am
Twitter line of the day re Manchin
"You can live with him on his Luxury Houseboat. He has plenty of room for you. He changed the name from Almost Heaven to Go to Hell"
Who wants a friendly fanlax wager that Manchin shines like a diamond when the dust settles on this?
Kismet wrote: ↑Tue Dec 21, 2021 11:08 am
Twitter line of the day re Manchin
"You can live with him on his Luxury Houseboat. He has plenty of room for you. He changed the name from Almost Heaven to Go to Hell"
Who wants a friendly fanlax wager that Manchin shines like a diamond when the dust settles on this?
I would wager....but i have no clue what you mean here. Care to clarify?
Kismet wrote: ↑Tue Dec 21, 2021 11:08 am
Twitter line of the day re Manchin
"You can live with him on his Luxury Houseboat. He has plenty of room for you. He changed the name from Almost Heaven to Go to Hell"
Who wants a friendly fanlax wager that Manchin shines like a diamond when the dust settles on this?
I would wager....but i have no clue what you mean here. Care to clarify?
Manchin has offered the perfect compromise if the Dems are smart enough to take it.
Re: ~46~ Unfit Uncle Joe Biden ~46~
Posted: Tue Dec 21, 2021 2:18 pm
by youthathletics
Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Tue Dec 21, 2021 1:58 pm
Year is done dude. You?
Still a bit busy, winding down just today. We have tons of customers pushing to spend the last bit of cash before years end. Many sat on PO's signed contracts to the last minute, then found out manufacturers are increasing costs by close 10% in early 2022,....now they want to close the order ASAP to bypass the added cost. Just busy work....still have plenty of time to screw off.
Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Tue Dec 21, 2021 1:58 pm
Year is done dude. You?
Still a bit busy, winding down just today. We have tons of customers pushing to spend the last bit of cash before years end. Many sat on PO's signed contracts to the last minute, then found out manufacturers are increasing costs by close 10% in early 2022,....now they want to close the order ASAP to bypass the added cost. Just busy work....still have plenty of time to screw off.
Good. I should have taken the month off but I had nowhere to go. Good year. We will see what next year brings. I believe your sector did well. Anyway, stay safe…….BTW, hold deez!
Kismet wrote: ↑Tue Dec 21, 2021 11:08 am
Twitter line of the day re Manchin
"You can live with him on his Luxury Houseboat. He has plenty of room for you. He changed the name from Almost Heaven to Go to Hell"
Who wants a friendly fanlax wager that Manchin shines like a diamond when the dust settles on this?
I would wager....but i have no clue what you mean here. Care to clarify?
Manchin has offered the perfect compromise if the Dems are smart enough to take it.
Relevan excerpt from New York magazine :
Biden Should Take Manchin’s Deal Right Now
Politics is about making things better, not speaking truth to power.
By Jonathan Chait
Sunday morning, Joe Manchin threw a giant twist into the plot of the Biden presidency by announcing his opposition to the administration’s signature domestic agenda. But the new plot had a gaping hole: Biden noted that, a few days before walking away, Manchin had made a counteroffer to Biden at the White House.
What was the counteroffer? And why did Biden reject it?
Manchin’s proposal included universal pre-kindergarten, an expansion of the Affordable Care Act, and hundreds of billions of dollars in green energy spending, all totaling the promised $1.8 trillion.
The main conceptual difference between Manchin’s bid and Biden’s ask is that Biden is trying to fund more programs with the same amount of money and does it by phasing several of them out after a few years. Manchin opposes this from the right as a fiscally irresponsible scheme to start up programs that will get extended but lack any funding source. The more important argument against it is that these plans won’t be permanent, because a future Republican Congress will happily let them expire, which would mean the hard-won spending Biden negotiated will be for naught.
In order to make all the spending permanent, you have to cut some programs. Manchin decided to cut the Child Tax Credit, family leave, and child care. I would rather have all those programs, and if I had to keep one, I’d rather keep the Child Tax Credit. However, Manchin clearly holds the leverage here and is flaunting it by demonstrating his willingness to walk away with no deal.
For Biden to defeat Donald Trump, then watch his domestic agenda go up in flames over “incivility” would be the stupidest possible outcome. Biden’s offending statement was so mild that, if Trump had said it, neutral reporters would be praising his growth and dignity.
The real catch is the expiration of the expanded Child Tax Credit that Biden extended earlier in the year — which, if not extended, will cause immediate pain for low-income families. Taking Manchin’s deal would mean finding another avenue to extend the CTC.
There are possibilities. Last February, Mitt Romney introduced a plan for a generous CTC that was, in fact, designed to deliver benefits more effectively than Biden’s own plan. Romney’s plan had several downsides: First, it’s paid for by cutting other anti-poverty programs. Second, it’s also paid for by eliminating the deduction for state and local taxes, which would generate opposition from a key handful of blue-state Democrats. And third, it drew immediate opposition from Republicans like party weathervane Marco Rubio and democracy-hater Mike Lee. Zero Republican senators came out for Romney’s plan.
However, if Manchin is implacably opposed to a CTC expansion, Romney could theoretically replace him as a 50th vote, if Romney agrees to move such a deal in a new budget-reconciliation bill. Romney would have enormous leverage over any such bill, though the imprimatur of another bipartisan plan might draw in a handful of Republican moderates in the House and perhaps Susan Collins or Lisa Murkowski.
Romney, for his part, appears to have a keen interest in negotiating a Child Tax Credit:
In any case, taking Manchin’s deal doesn’t mean giving up on an expanded CTC. It would force Democrats to find some creative legislative solution. Maybe Romney would want to work on a signature domestic bill he could all but design himself. Maybe the sudden end of the checks would create a new groundswell to extend them that’s currently absent.
Either way, Manchin’s proposal gives Biden something vastly superior to the failure of Build Back Better. He would have the largest green-energy investment in history plus the creation of a permanent pre-kindergarten plan plus making health insurance universally available. He should beg Manchin’s forgiveness for his oh-so-rude statement and sign the deal tomorrow.
Kismet wrote: ↑Tue Dec 21, 2021 11:08 am
Twitter line of the day re Manchin
"You can live with him on his Luxury Houseboat. He has plenty of room for you. He changed the name from Almost Heaven to Go to Hell"
Who wants a friendly fanlax wager that Manchin shines like a diamond when the dust settles on this?
I would wager....but i have no clue what you mean here. Care to clarify?
Manchin has offered the perfect compromise if the Dems are smart enough to take it.
Sorry...still don't know what you two are talking about here.....
Kismet wrote: ↑Tue Dec 21, 2021 11:08 am
Twitter line of the day re Manchin
"You can live with him on his Luxury Houseboat. He has plenty of room for you. He changed the name from Almost Heaven to Go to Hell"
Who wants a friendly fanlax wager that Manchin shines like a diamond when the dust settles on this?
I would wager....but i have no clue what you mean here. Care to clarify?
Manchin has offered the perfect compromise if the Dems are smart enough to take it.
Sorry...still don't know what you two are talking about here.....
See my post above.
Re: Fit Uncle Joe Biden ~46~
Posted: Tue Dec 21, 2021 2:44 pm
by Brooklyn
Manchin should get the Benedict Arnold award for treason to his party and to the USA:
Kismet wrote: ↑Tue Dec 21, 2021 11:08 am
Twitter line of the day re Manchin
"You can live with him on his Luxury Houseboat. He has plenty of room for you. He changed the name from Almost Heaven to Go to Hell"
Who wants a friendly fanlax wager that Manchin shines like a diamond when the dust settles on this?
I would wager....but i have no clue what you mean here. Care to clarify?
Manchin has offered the perfect compromise if the Dems are smart enough to take it.
Relevan excerpt from New York magazine :
Biden Should Take Manchin’s Deal Right Now
Politics is about making things better, not speaking truth to power.
By Jonathan Chait
Sunday morning, Joe Manchin threw a giant twist into the plot of the Biden presidency by announcing his opposition to the administration’s signature domestic agenda. But the new plot had a gaping hole: Biden noted that, a few days before walking away, Manchin had made a counteroffer to Biden at the White House.
What was the counteroffer? And why did Biden reject it?
Manchin’s proposal included universal pre-kindergarten, an expansion of the Affordable Care Act, and hundreds of billions of dollars in green energy spending, all totaling the promised $1.8 trillion.
The main conceptual difference between Manchin’s bid and Biden’s ask is that Biden is trying to fund more programs with the same amount of money and does it by phasing several of them out after a few years. Manchin opposes this from the right as a fiscally irresponsible scheme to start up programs that will get extended but lack any funding source. The more important argument against it is that these plans won’t be permanent, because a future Republican Congress will happily let them expire, which would mean the hard-won spending Biden negotiated will be for naught.
In order to make all the spending permanent, you have to cut some programs. Manchin decided to cut the Child Tax Credit, family leave, and child care. I would rather have all those programs, and if I had to keep one, I’d rather keep the Child Tax Credit. However, Manchin clearly holds the leverage here and is flaunting it by demonstrating his willingness to walk away with no deal.
For Biden to defeat Donald Trump, then watch his domestic agenda go up in flames over “incivility” would be the stupidest possible outcome. Biden’s offending statement was so mild that, if Trump had said it, neutral reporters would be praising his growth and dignity.
The real catch is the expiration of the expanded Child Tax Credit that Biden extended earlier in the year — which, if not extended, will cause immediate pain for low-income families. Taking Manchin’s deal would mean finding another avenue to extend the CTC.
There are possibilities. Last February, Mitt Romney introduced a plan for a generous CTC that was, in fact, designed to deliver benefits more effectively than Biden’s own plan. Romney’s plan had several downsides: First, it’s paid for by cutting other anti-poverty programs. Second, it’s also paid for by eliminating the deduction for state and local taxes, which would generate opposition from a key handful of blue-state Democrats. And third, it drew immediate opposition from Republicans like party weathervane Marco Rubio and democracy-hater Mike Lee. Zero Republican senators came out for Romney’s plan.
However, if Manchin is implacably opposed to a CTC expansion, Romney could theoretically replace him as a 50th vote, if Romney agrees to move such a deal in a new budget-reconciliation bill. Romney would have enormous leverage over any such bill, though the imprimatur of another bipartisan plan might draw in a handful of Republican moderates in the House and perhaps Susan Collins or Lisa Murkowski.
Romney, for his part, appears to have a keen interest in negotiating a Child Tax Credit:
In any case, taking Manchin’s deal doesn’t mean giving up on an expanded CTC. It would force Democrats to find some creative legislative solution. Maybe Romney would want to work on a signature domestic bill he could all but design himself. Maybe the sudden end of the checks would create a new groundswell to extend them that’s currently absent.
Either way, Manchin’s proposal gives Biden something vastly superior to the failure of Build Back Better. He would have the largest green-energy investment in history plus the creation of a permanent pre-kindergarten plan plus making health insurance universally available. He should beg Manchin’s forgiveness for his oh-so-rude statement and sign the deal tomorrow.
Sorry I missed this-----I didn't see this counter offer to Biden from Manchin anywhere else. Is there another source?
Re: ~46~ Unfit Uncle Joe Biden ~46~
Posted: Tue Dec 21, 2021 5:48 pm
by MDlaxfan76
We don't know that Manchin actually made a concrete proposal, he certainly hasn't presented something concrete to public view, nor to his fellow Senators, so this appears to be speculation that this may be what he has been meaning...may be wishful thinking, though for all we actually know.
Apparently he and Biden agreed to table it until the New Year, but then he went on Fox to say the conversation's dead on anything remotely similar in scale to this $#. So, not so sure he actually made this proposal...
But sometimes, it's not what is actually said, but what one 'chooses' to hear and then accept, giving cover for them all to get to a yes...Manchin's taking heat on the CTC because so many of his constituents receive it and he's even taking heat from the coal miner's union because the BBB had a bunch of stuff they really liked...the Goldman Sach's prediction of lower growth etc are all factors...
Personally, I think they should table it for the moment and get a talking filibuster reform done, pass voting legislation, and then take each piece of the BBB to the floor...some of it may well pick up some bi-partisan support. Climate. Pharmaceuticals, etc. Do CTC retroactively.
