"The Deep State" aka the American Intelligence Community

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cradleandshoot wrote: Sun Dec 20, 2020 3:54 pm
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Sun Dec 20, 2020 3:47 pm
old salt wrote: Sun Dec 20, 2020 3:16 pm
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Sun Dec 20, 2020 10:08 am
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Sun Dec 20, 2020 9:45 am
seacoaster wrote: Sun Dec 20, 2020 8:18 am
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Sat Dec 19, 2020 9:53 pm
seacoaster wrote: Sat Dec 19, 2020 9:12 pm The pardoned criminal is helping put the crazy into America!!

https://abcnews.go.com/amp/Politics/fir ... ssion=true
Nahhh....Mike Flynn has been mistreated and he feels betrayed....after all, he was tricked into lying.
Here you go: suitable for "framing:"

https://twitter.com/LLinWood/status/1340479656013799425
How any sane adult can support these clowns is beyond me.

https://twitter.com/armitagelucie/statu ... 14209?s=21
5-oeubsV0HY

and yet apparently the polling suggests that 60 million Americans actually believe them and Trump.

My brother-in-law in the basement now predicting there will be an armed revolution...and that there should be...

But hey, we shouldn't actually be concerned...
You better disarm him.
It's a good idea to have weapons under lock and key, as we do...far as I know he doesn't own any himself. But we're not up there...
Anybody with any common sense keeps their weapons under lock and key. I have one rifle today an M1 carbine of the type my dad carried all across europe. The rifle is in one spot and the ammo is locked up in the safe. I would never keep ammo and rifle in the same spot.
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:cry:
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Sun Dec 20, 2020 3:56 pm
cradleandshoot wrote: Sun Dec 20, 2020 3:54 pm
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Sun Dec 20, 2020 3:47 pm
old salt wrote: Sun Dec 20, 2020 3:16 pm
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Sun Dec 20, 2020 10:08 am
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Sun Dec 20, 2020 9:45 am
seacoaster wrote: Sun Dec 20, 2020 8:18 am
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Sat Dec 19, 2020 9:53 pm
seacoaster wrote: Sat Dec 19, 2020 9:12 pm The pardoned criminal is helping put the crazy into America!!

https://abcnews.go.com/amp/Politics/fir ... ssion=true
Nahhh....Mike Flynn has been mistreated and he feels betrayed....after all, he was tricked into lying.
Here you go: suitable for "framing:"

https://twitter.com/LLinWood/status/1340479656013799425
How any sane adult can support these clowns is beyond me.

https://twitter.com/armitagelucie/statu ... 14209?s=21
5-oeubsV0HY

and yet apparently the polling suggests that 60 million Americans actually believe them and Trump.

My brother-in-law in the basement now predicting there will be an armed revolution...and that there should be...

But hey, we shouldn't actually be concerned...
You better disarm him.
It's a good idea to have weapons under lock and key, as we do...far as I know he doesn't own any himself. But we're not up there...
Anybody with any common sense keeps their weapons under lock and key. I have one rifle today an M1 carbine of the type my dad carried all across europe. The rifle is in one spot and the ammo is locked up in the safe. I would never keep ammo and rifle in the same spot.
You are not most people....you are on a lacrosse forum.
Do you keep your old stick locked up and secure? I'm guessing in your hands it was a lethal weapon? ;)
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cradleandshoot wrote: Sun Dec 20, 2020 4:27 pm :cry:
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Sun Dec 20, 2020 3:56 pm
cradleandshoot wrote: Sun Dec 20, 2020 3:54 pm
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Sun Dec 20, 2020 3:47 pm
old salt wrote: Sun Dec 20, 2020 3:16 pm
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Sun Dec 20, 2020 10:08 am
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Sun Dec 20, 2020 9:45 am
seacoaster wrote: Sun Dec 20, 2020 8:18 am
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Sat Dec 19, 2020 9:53 pm
seacoaster wrote: Sat Dec 19, 2020 9:12 pm The pardoned criminal is helping put the crazy into America!!

https://abcnews.go.com/amp/Politics/fir ... ssion=true
Nahhh....Mike Flynn has been mistreated and he feels betrayed....after all, he was tricked into lying.
Here you go: suitable for "framing:"

https://twitter.com/LLinWood/status/1340479656013799425
How any sane adult can support these clowns is beyond me.

https://twitter.com/armitagelucie/statu ... 14209?s=21
5-oeubsV0HY

and yet apparently the polling suggests that 60 million Americans actually believe them and Trump.

My brother-in-law in the basement now predicting there will be an armed revolution...and that there should be...

But hey, we shouldn't actually be concerned...
You better disarm him.
It's a good idea to have weapons under lock and key, as we do...far as I know he doesn't own any himself. But we're not up there...
Anybody with any common sense keeps their weapons under lock and key. I have one rifle today an M1 carbine of the type my dad carried all across europe. The rifle is in one spot and the ammo is locked up in the safe. I would never keep ammo and rifle in the same spot.
You are not most people....you are on a lacrosse forum.
Do you keep your old stick locked up and secure? I'm guessing in your hands it was a lethal weapon? ;)
It’s in the garage! I was surgical with that stick actually. Take away guy. My last two years as an LSM I got beat for 3 goals....glory days....
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More on Mike Flynn, American crazy person, and his allies the Moron President and Krak'd Sid:

https://twitter.com/kyledcheney/status/ ... 65/photo/1

The imagery is just what you want to see in an outgoing President, and a former Lt. General.

A disgrace to the country, the oath, the uniform, the service.
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seacoaster wrote: Mon Dec 21, 2020 10:43 am More on Mike Flynn, American crazy person, and his allies the Moron President and Krak'd Sid:

https://twitter.com/kyledcheney/status/ ... 65/photo/1

The imagery is just what you want to see in an outgoing President, and a former Lt. General.

A disgrace to the country, the oath, the uniform, the service.
I'm starting to agree with you coaster. Gen. Flynn has moved over into bizarre land. :?
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cradleandshoot wrote: Mon Dec 21, 2020 10:57 am
seacoaster wrote: Mon Dec 21, 2020 10:43 am More on Mike Flynn, American crazy person, and his allies the Moron President and Krak'd Sid:

https://twitter.com/kyledcheney/status/ ... 65/photo/1

The imagery is just what you want to see in an outgoing President, and a former Lt. General.

A disgrace to the country, the oath, the uniform, the service.
I'm starting to agree with you coaster. Gen. Flynn has moved over into bizarre land. :?
As well am I. Although he did just travel through another bizzarre land, might take some time to decompress.
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youthathletics wrote: Mon Dec 21, 2020 11:18 am
cradleandshoot wrote: Mon Dec 21, 2020 10:57 am
seacoaster wrote: Mon Dec 21, 2020 10:43 am More on Mike Flynn, American crazy person, and his allies the Moron President and Krak'd Sid:

https://twitter.com/kyledcheney/status/ ... 65/photo/1

The imagery is just what you want to see in an outgoing President, and a former Lt. General.

A disgrace to the country, the oath, the uniform, the service.
I'm starting to agree with you coaster. Gen. Flynn has moved over into bizarre land. :?
As well am I. Although he did just travel through another bizzarre land, might take some time to decompress.
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Typical Lax Dad wrote: Mon Dec 21, 2020 11:48 am
youthathletics wrote: Mon Dec 21, 2020 11:18 am
cradleandshoot wrote: Mon Dec 21, 2020 10:57 am
seacoaster wrote: Mon Dec 21, 2020 10:43 am More on Mike Flynn, American crazy person, and his allies the Moron President and Krak'd Sid:

https://twitter.com/kyledcheney/status/ ... 65/photo/1

The imagery is just what you want to see in an outgoing President, and a former Lt. General.

A disgrace to the country, the oath, the uniform, the service.
I'm starting to agree with you coaster. Gen. Flynn has moved over into bizarre land. :?
As well am I. Although he did just travel through another bizzarre land, might take some time to decompress.
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Kismet wrote: Mon Dec 21, 2020 12:13 pm
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Mon Dec 21, 2020 11:48 am
youthathletics wrote: Mon Dec 21, 2020 11:18 am
cradleandshoot wrote: Mon Dec 21, 2020 10:57 am
seacoaster wrote: Mon Dec 21, 2020 10:43 am More on Mike Flynn, American crazy person, and his allies the Moron President and Krak'd Sid:

https://twitter.com/kyledcheney/status/ ... 65/photo/1

The imagery is just what you want to see in an outgoing President, and a former Lt. General.

A disgrace to the country, the oath, the uniform, the service.
I'm starting to agree with you coaster. Gen. Flynn has moved over into bizarre land. :?
As well am I. Although he did just travel through another bizzarre land, might take some time to decompress.
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Typical Lax Dad wrote: Mon Dec 21, 2020 12:18 pm
Kismet wrote: Mon Dec 21, 2020 12:13 pm
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Mon Dec 21, 2020 11:48 am
youthathletics wrote: Mon Dec 21, 2020 11:18 am
cradleandshoot wrote: Mon Dec 21, 2020 10:57 am
seacoaster wrote: Mon Dec 21, 2020 10:43 am More on Mike Flynn, American crazy person, and his allies the Moron President and Krak'd Sid:

https://twitter.com/kyledcheney/status/ ... 65/photo/1

The imagery is just what you want to see in an outgoing President, and a former Lt. General.

A disgrace to the country, the oath, the uniform, the service.
I'm starting to agree with you coaster. Gen. Flynn has moved over into bizarre land. :?
As well am I. Although he did just travel through another bizzarre land, might take some time to decompress.
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This is Flynn's last public statement or direct quote reported re martial law.
Until I see a direct quote from Flynn specifically calling for martial law, I attribute any recommendations for martial law to Sid.
Flynn has to know the military would not follow such an order, if it even got that far.
old salt wrote: Sat Dec 19, 2020 4:59 am FTR -- here's what Flynn actually said :

Within the swing states, if he wanted to, he could take military capabilities, and he could place those in states and basically rerun an election in each of those states.

I mean, it's not unprecedented. These people are out there talking about martial law like it's something that we've never done. Martial law has been instituted 64 times. I'm not calling for that.

We have a constitutional process. We clearly have a constitutional process. That has to be followed.
Until I see a direct quote from Flynn, I still stand by this :
old salt wrote: Fri Dec 18, 2020 7:14 pm
njbill wrote: Fri Dec 18, 2020 5:32 pm But it seems Michael Flynn is really a different animal.

As if he hadn’t done so already, Flynn, of late, has really revealed his true colors. He is truly engaging in seditious activity. He is beginning to remind me of that general in Homeland who after being subjected to the strip search in prison is killed by the prison guard. Not wishing that end on Flynn, but from his recent conduct, one thinks Flynn would be willing to lead a violent revolution against the American democracy. Sad. Really sad.
No question. Flynn has changed. He felt betrayed by the way he was ousted as DIA & everything he experienced since has only served to reinforce that. He co-operated fully with Mueller, only to be further betrayed by Sullivan. Out of money & options, he accepted Sid's help. His bitterness, paranoia & sense of betrayal are not hard to understand.

Don't read too much into his recent theatrics. I think he's trolling & triggering. Fear Porn. In his latest, he said "could" not "should". He was speaking hypothetically about a President's powers. He pointed out that martial law has been declared 64 times. He also said he was not advocating that & that we have a constitutional process which must be followed.

It is sad to watch, considering all that he accomplished before his DIA ouster, but I still regard this as political theater (of the absurd).
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old salt wrote: Mon Dec 21, 2020 2:51 pm This is Flynn's last public statement or direct quote reported re martial law.
Until I see a direct quote from Flynn specifically calling for martial law, I attribute any recommendations for martial law to Sid.
Flynn has to know the military would not follow such an order, if it even got that far.
old salt wrote: Sat Dec 19, 2020 4:59 am FTR -- here's what Flynn actually said :

Within the swing states, if he wanted to, he could take military capabilities, and he could place those in states and basically rerun an election in each of those states.

I mean, it's not unprecedented. These people are out there talking about martial law like it's something that we've never done. Martial law has been instituted 64 times. I'm not calling for that.

We have a constitutional process. We clearly have a constitutional process. That has to be followed.
Until I see a direct quote from Flynn, I still stand by this :
old salt wrote: Fri Dec 18, 2020 7:14 pm
njbill wrote: Fri Dec 18, 2020 5:32 pm But it seems Michael Flynn is really a different animal.

As if he hadn’t done so already, Flynn, of late, has really revealed his true colors. He is truly engaging in seditious activity. He is beginning to remind me of that general in Homeland who after being subjected to the strip search in prison is killed by the prison guard. Not wishing that end on Flynn, but from his recent conduct, one thinks Flynn would be willing to lead a violent revolution against the American democracy. Sad. Really sad.
No question. Flynn has changed. He felt betrayed by the way he was ousted as DIA & everything he experienced since has only served to reinforce that. He co-operated fully with Mueller, only to be further betrayed by Sullivan. Out of money & options, he accepted Sid's help. His bitterness, paranoia & sense of betrayal are not hard to understand.

Don't read too much into his recent theatrics. I think he's trolling & triggering. Fear Porn. In his latest, he said "could" not "should". He was speaking hypothetically about a President's powers. He pointed out that martial law has been declared 64 times. He also said he was not advocating that & that we have a constitutional process which must be followed.

It is sad to watch, considering all that he accomplished before his DIA ouster, but I still regard this as political theater (of the absurd).
It seems pretty clear that Flynn and his crazy family have at a minimum lent his name — and the thinning reed of his credibility and reputation — to the notion of a declaration of martial law, holdover presidency and an election mulligan is an idea worth trying. The guy is a despicable fool, and every occurrence that kept him out of government generally, to say nothing of the NSA job, looks good from here.
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old salt wrote: Mon Dec 21, 2020 2:51 pm This is Flynn's last public statement or direct quote reported re martial law.
Until I see a direct quote from Flynn specifically calling for martial law, I attribute any recommendations for martial law to Sid.
Flynn has to know the military would not follow such an order, if it even got that far.
old salt wrote: Sat Dec 19, 2020 4:59 am FTR -- here's what Flynn actually said :

Within the swing states, if he wanted to, he could take military capabilities, and he could place those in states and basically rerun an election in each of those states.

I mean, it's not unprecedented. These people are out there talking about martial law like it's something that we've never done. Martial law has been instituted 64 times. I'm not calling for that.

We have a constitutional process. We clearly have a constitutional process. That has to be followed.
Until I see a direct quote from Flynn, I still stand by this :
old salt wrote: Fri Dec 18, 2020 7:14 pm
njbill wrote: Fri Dec 18, 2020 5:32 pm But it seems Michael Flynn is really a different animal.

As if he hadn’t done so already, Flynn, of late, has really revealed his true colors. He is truly engaging in seditious activity. He is beginning to remind me of that general in Homeland who after being subjected to the strip search in prison is killed by the prison guard. Not wishing that end on Flynn, but from his recent conduct, one thinks Flynn would be willing to lead a violent revolution against the American democracy. Sad. Really sad.
No question. Flynn has changed. He felt betrayed by the way he was ousted as DIA & everything he experienced since has only served to reinforce that. He co-operated fully with Mueller, only to be further betrayed by Sullivan. Out of money & options, he accepted Sid's help. His bitterness, paranoia & sense of betrayal are not hard to understand.

Don't read too much into his recent theatrics. I think he's trolling & triggering. Fear Porn. In his latest, he said "could" not "should". He was speaking hypothetically about a President's powers. He pointed out that martial law has been declared 64 times. He also said he was not advocating that & that we have a constitutional process which must be followed.

It is sad to watch, considering all that he accomplished before his DIA ouster, but I still regard this as political theater (of the absurd).
https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/g ... president/

It’s never a good sign when a president publicly insists he’s not considering declaring martial law in an attempt to reverse the election results, or when high-level military officials feel the need to declare, “There is no role for the U.S. military in determining the outcome of an American election.”

For what it is worth, the president tweeted Sunday, “Martial law = Fake News. Just more knowingly bad reporting!”

Mr. Cipollone told Mr. Trump there was no constitutional authority for what was being discussed, one of the people briefed on the meeting said. Other advisers from the White House and the Trump campaign delivered the same message throughout the meeting, which stretched on for a long period of time.

Perhaps this is just a meaningless White House bull session, where a depressed president meets with anyone willing to float any fantasy scenario of him staying in office, and nothing will come of it. The fact that Trump is insisting he never discussed martial law is an indicator he recognizes the risks and consequences and will not take that step.

But American presidents aren’t supposed to even discuss invoking martial law and redoing a presidential election because they’re upset that they lost, after losing dozens of court cases challenging the election results. Even a discussion of martial law by elected officials normalizes it and wears away at the taboo about invoking it. A lunatic gubernatorial candidate in Virginia is already calling for it. Presidents take oaths to “preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.” If you’re contemplating martial law as a response to losing an election, you are not preserving, protecting, or defending the Constitution.

Finally, Sidney Powell’s presence at the White House meeting, Trump’s desire for her to be a special counsel, and reported declaration that she called everyone else there were “quitters” all indicate that she’s not as far from the Trump legal team as Rudy Giuliani and Jenna Ellis wanted the world to believe. The president is apparently choosing to surround himself with conspiracy theorists and loons who are urging him to take steps that violate the Constitution.

Throughout the weekend and this morning, the president is continuing to tweet claims that the election was rigged and retweet account after account contending the election was stolen and Trump is the rightful winner, that votes were changed using USBs, and so on. He barely mentions issues like the pandemic, the relief bill, or other pressing matters. Trump will remain in office until January 20, but his presidency has effectively ended.

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old salt wrote: Mon Dec 21, 2020 3:02 pm
old salt wrote: Mon Dec 21, 2020 2:51 pm This is Flynn's last public statement or direct quote reported re martial law.
Until I see a direct quote from Flynn specifically calling for martial law, I attribute any recommendations for martial law to Sid.
Flynn has to know the military would not follow such an order, if it even got that far.
old salt wrote: Sat Dec 19, 2020 4:59 am FTR -- here's what Flynn actually said :

Within the swing states, if he wanted to, he could take military capabilities, and he could place those in states and basically rerun an election in each of those states.

I mean, it's not unprecedented. These people are out there talking about martial law like it's something that we've never done. Martial law has been instituted 64 times. I'm not calling for that.

We have a constitutional process. We clearly have a constitutional process. That has to be followed.
Until I see a direct quote from Flynn, I still stand by this :
old salt wrote: Fri Dec 18, 2020 7:14 pm
njbill wrote: Fri Dec 18, 2020 5:32 pm But it seems Michael Flynn is really a different animal.

As if he hadn’t done so already, Flynn, of late, has really revealed his true colors. He is truly engaging in seditious activity. He is beginning to remind me of that general in Homeland who after being subjected to the strip search in prison is killed by the prison guard. Not wishing that end on Flynn, but from his recent conduct, one thinks Flynn would be willing to lead a violent revolution against the American democracy. Sad. Really sad.
No question. Flynn has changed. He felt betrayed by the way he was ousted as DIA & everything he experienced since has only served to reinforce that. He co-operated fully with Mueller, only to be further betrayed by Sullivan. Out of money & options, he accepted Sid's help. His bitterness, paranoia & sense of betrayal are not hard to understand.

Don't read too much into his recent theatrics. I think he's trolling & triggering. Fear Porn. In his latest, he said "could" not "should". He was speaking hypothetically about a President's powers. He pointed out that martial law has been declared 64 times. He also said he was not advocating that & that we have a constitutional process which must be followed.

It is sad to watch, considering all that he accomplished before his DIA ouster, but I still regard this as political theater (of the absurd).
https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/g ... president/

It’s never a good sign when a president publicly insists he’s not considering declaring martial law in an attempt to reverse the election results, or when high-level military officials feel the need to declare, “There is no role for the U.S. military in determining the outcome of an American election.”

For what it is worth, the president tweeted Sunday, “Martial law = Fake News. Just more knowingly bad reporting!”

Mr. Cipollone told Mr. Trump there was no constitutional authority for what was being discussed, one of the people briefed on the meeting said. Other advisers from the White House and the Trump campaign delivered the same message throughout the meeting, which stretched on for a long period of time.

Perhaps this is just a meaningless White House bull session, where a depressed president meets with anyone willing to float any fantasy scenario of him staying in office, and nothing will come of it. The fact that Trump is insisting he never discussed martial law is an indicator he recognizes the risks and consequences and will not take that step.

But American presidents aren’t supposed to even discuss invoking martial law and redoing a presidential election because they’re upset that they lost, after losing dozens of court cases challenging the election results. Even a discussion of martial law by elected officials normalizes it and wears away at the taboo about invoking it. A lunatic gubernatorial candidate in Virginia is already calling for it. Presidents take oaths to “preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.” If you’re contemplating martial law as a response to losing an election, you are not preserving, protecting, or defending the Constitution.

Finally, Sidney Powell’s presence at the White House meeting, Trump’s desire for her to be a special counsel, and reported declaration that she called everyone else there were “quitters” all indicate that she’s not as far from the Trump legal team as Rudy Giuliani and Jenna Ellis wanted the world to believe. The president is apparently choosing to surround himself with conspiracy theorists and loons who are urging him to take steps that violate the Constitution.

Throughout the weekend and this morning, the president is continuing to tweet claims that the election was rigged and retweet account after account contending the election was stolen and Trump is the rightful winner, that votes were changed using USBs, and so on. He barely mentions issues like the pandemic, the relief bill, or other pressing matters. Trump will remain in office until January 20, but his presidency has effectively ended.

I wonder if they had the conversation while sitting around the Resolute Desk.....you know the one Obama had his feet on...

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seacoaster wrote: Mon Dec 21, 2020 2:58 pm
old salt wrote: Mon Dec 21, 2020 2:51 pm This is Flynn's last public statement or direct quote reported re martial law.
Until I see a direct quote from Flynn specifically calling for martial law, I attribute any recommendations for martial law to Sid.
Flynn has to know the military would not follow such an order, if it even got that far.
old salt wrote: Sat Dec 19, 2020 4:59 am FTR -- here's what Flynn actually said :

Within the swing states, if he wanted to, he could take military capabilities, and he could place those in states and basically rerun an election in each of those states.

I mean, it's not unprecedented. These people are out there talking about martial law like it's something that we've never done. Martial law has been instituted 64 times. I'm not calling for that.

We have a constitutional process. We clearly have a constitutional process. That has to be followed.
Until I see a direct quote from Flynn, I still stand by this :
old salt wrote: Fri Dec 18, 2020 7:14 pm
njbill wrote: Fri Dec 18, 2020 5:32 pm But it seems Michael Flynn is really a different animal.

As if he hadn’t done so already, Flynn, of late, has really revealed his true colors. He is truly engaging in seditious activity. He is beginning to remind me of that general in Homeland who after being subjected to the strip search in prison is killed by the prison guard. Not wishing that end on Flynn, but from his recent conduct, one thinks Flynn would be willing to lead a violent revolution against the American democracy. Sad. Really sad.
No question. Flynn has changed. He felt betrayed by the way he was ousted as DIA & everything he experienced since has only served to reinforce that. He co-operated fully with Mueller, only to be further betrayed by Sullivan. Out of money & options, he accepted Sid's help. His bitterness, paranoia & sense of betrayal are not hard to understand.

Don't read too much into his recent theatrics. I think he's trolling & triggering. Fear Porn. In his latest, he said "could" not "should". He was speaking hypothetically about a President's powers. He pointed out that martial law has been declared 64 times. He also said he was not advocating that & that we have a constitutional process which must be followed.

It is sad to watch, considering all that he accomplished before his DIA ouster, but I still regard this as political theater (of the absurd).
It seems pretty clear that Flynn and his crazy family have at a minimum lent his name — and the thinning reed of his credibility and reputation — to the notion of a declaration of martial law, holdover presidency and an election mulligan is an idea worth trying. The guy is a despicable fool, and every occurrence that kept him out of government generally, to say nothing of the NSA job, looks good from here.
I don't disagree that Flynn no longer has a place in govt. I still maintain that he was a viable NSA candidate until the IC succeeded in their plan to discredit, undermine, & remove him from that job. Sadly, they succeeded. It didn't have to play out this way. The IC are pros at eliminating their targets, ...as Chuck Schumer accurately predicted. Flynn was a marked man from the time he joined the Trump campaign. Too many holdover enemies from the Obama Admin & upper level IC political appointees. He was a helluva soldier who did more good than we'll ever know. He had sound ideas about how to improve the IC, NSC, & our foreign policy. Sadly, he was out of his depth, with few allies, in a shark tank Trump Admin.
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old salt wrote: Mon Dec 21, 2020 3:19 pm
seacoaster wrote: Mon Dec 21, 2020 2:58 pm
old salt wrote: Mon Dec 21, 2020 2:51 pm This is Flynn's last public statement or direct quote reported re martial law.
Until I see a direct quote from Flynn specifically calling for martial law, I attribute any recommendations for martial law to Sid.
Flynn has to know the military would not follow such an order, if it even got that far.
old salt wrote: Sat Dec 19, 2020 4:59 am FTR -- here's what Flynn actually said :

Within the swing states, if he wanted to, he could take military capabilities, and he could place those in states and basically rerun an election in each of those states.

I mean, it's not unprecedented. These people are out there talking about martial law like it's something that we've never done. Martial law has been instituted 64 times. I'm not calling for that.

We have a constitutional process. We clearly have a constitutional process. That has to be followed.
Until I see a direct quote from Flynn, I still stand by this :
old salt wrote: Fri Dec 18, 2020 7:14 pm
njbill wrote: Fri Dec 18, 2020 5:32 pm But it seems Michael Flynn is really a different animal.

As if he hadn’t done so already, Flynn, of late, has really revealed his true colors. He is truly engaging in seditious activity. He is beginning to remind me of that general in Homeland who after being subjected to the strip search in prison is killed by the prison guard. Not wishing that end on Flynn, but from his recent conduct, one thinks Flynn would be willing to lead a violent revolution against the American democracy. Sad. Really sad.
No question. Flynn has changed. He felt betrayed by the way he was ousted as DIA & everything he experienced since has only served to reinforce that. He co-operated fully with Mueller, only to be further betrayed by Sullivan. Out of money & options, he accepted Sid's help. His bitterness, paranoia & sense of betrayal are not hard to understand.

Don't read too much into his recent theatrics. I think he's trolling & triggering. Fear Porn. In his latest, he said "could" not "should". He was speaking hypothetically about a President's powers. He pointed out that martial law has been declared 64 times. He also said he was not advocating that & that we have a constitutional process which must be followed.

It is sad to watch, considering all that he accomplished before his DIA ouster, but I still regard this as political theater (of the absurd).
It seems pretty clear that Flynn and his crazy family have at a minimum lent his name — and the thinning reed of his credibility and reputation — to the notion of a declaration of martial law, holdover presidency and an election mulligan is an idea worth trying. The guy is a despicable fool, and every occurrence that kept him out of government generally, to say nothing of the NSA job, looks good from here.
I don't disagree that Flynn no longer has a place in govt. I still maintain that he was a viable NSA candidate until the IC succeeded in their plan to discredit, undermine, & remove him from that job. Sadly, they succeeded. It didn't have to play out this way. The IC are pros at eliminating their targets, ...as Chuck Schumer accurately predicted. Flynn was a marked man from the time he joined the Trump campaign. Too many holdover enemies from the Obama Admin & upper level IC political appointees. He was a helluva soldier who did more good than we'll ever know. He had sound ideas about how to improve the IC, NSC, & our foreign policy. Sadly, he was out of his depth, with few allies, in a shark tank Trump Admin.
The IC has him acting a fool....Poor Mike Flynn...first he was tricked into lying and now the IC have forced him to become a fool.....my bet is you just get to see more of him....luke seei g Trump in office....I told some of my Trump supporting friends the more they see him the more they will realize he’s a fool....Same with Mike Flynn....he didn’t become stupid all of a sudden.
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One wonders what Flynn said about martial law at the now infamous White House meeting last week.

From the accounts of the meeting that have been leaked, it certainly wouldn’t surprise me if he was advocating for that. Sounds like it was The Kraken and Flynn vs. Meadows, Cippolone, and Rudy.

Maybe the Nixon taping system is still in place, or maybe the Deep State has snuck in there to install listening devices.
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old salt wrote: Mon Dec 21, 2020 3:19 pm
seacoaster wrote: Mon Dec 21, 2020 2:58 pm
old salt wrote: Mon Dec 21, 2020 2:51 pm This is Flynn's last public statement or direct quote reported re martial law.
Until I see a direct quote from Flynn specifically calling for martial law, I attribute any recommendations for martial law to Sid.
Flynn has to know the military would not follow such an order, if it even got that far.
old salt wrote: Sat Dec 19, 2020 4:59 am FTR -- here's what Flynn actually said :

Within the swing states, if he wanted to, he could take military capabilities, and he could place those in states and basically rerun an election in each of those states.

I mean, it's not unprecedented. These people are out there talking about martial law like it's something that we've never done. Martial law has been instituted 64 times. I'm not calling for that.

We have a constitutional process. We clearly have a constitutional process. That has to be followed.
Until I see a direct quote from Flynn, I still stand by this :
old salt wrote: Fri Dec 18, 2020 7:14 pm
njbill wrote: Fri Dec 18, 2020 5:32 pm But it seems Michael Flynn is really a different animal.

As if he hadn’t done so already, Flynn, of late, has really revealed his true colors. He is truly engaging in seditious activity. He is beginning to remind me of that general in Homeland who after being subjected to the strip search in prison is killed by the prison guard. Not wishing that end on Flynn, but from his recent conduct, one thinks Flynn would be willing to lead a violent revolution against the American democracy. Sad. Really sad.
No question. Flynn has changed. He felt betrayed by the way he was ousted as DIA & everything he experienced since has only served to reinforce that. He co-operated fully with Mueller, only to be further betrayed by Sullivan. Out of money & options, he accepted Sid's help. His bitterness, paranoia & sense of betrayal are not hard to understand.

Don't read too much into his recent theatrics. I think he's trolling & triggering. Fear Porn. In his latest, he said "could" not "should". He was speaking hypothetically about a President's powers. He pointed out that martial law has been declared 64 times. He also said he was not advocating that & that we have a constitutional process which must be followed.

It is sad to watch, considering all that he accomplished before his DIA ouster, but I still regard this as political theater (of the absurd).
It seems pretty clear that Flynn and his crazy family have at a minimum lent his name — and the thinning reed of his credibility and reputation — to the notion of a declaration of martial law, holdover presidency and an election mulligan is an idea worth trying. The guy is a despicable fool, and every occurrence that kept him out of government generally, to say nothing of the NSA job, looks good from here.
I don't disagree that Flynn no longer has a place in govt. I still maintain that he was a viable NSA candidate until the IC succeeded in their plan to discredit, undermine, & remove him from that job. Sadly, they succeeded. It didn't have to play out this way. The IC are pros at eliminating their targets, ...as Chuck Schumer accurately predicted. Flynn was a marked man from the time he joined the Trump campaign. Too many holdover enemies from the Obama Admin & upper level IC political appointees. He was a helluva soldier who did more good than we'll ever know. He had sound ideas about how to improve the IC, NSC, & our foreign policy. Sadly, he was out of his depth, with few allies, in a shark tank Trump Admin.
He got Peter'ed up the ladder cuz no one wanted to come out for Trump...no one with any cred.

"Lock her up" is about as disgusting thing a politician could say...guess he forgot all that Code of Honor crap.

No, he should have been taken out for lying to Pence. Had he played ball he likely could have survived, but he wanted to be a BSD....got him a pardon from DOPUS.

He should have just tried doing the .corp thing, but he had to go the lobbying route and he gets a skid mark from that effort as well.

He has earned his spot in history...what a disgrace.
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Typical Lax Dad wrote: Mon Dec 21, 2020 3:33 pm
old salt wrote: Mon Dec 21, 2020 3:19 pm
seacoaster wrote: Mon Dec 21, 2020 2:58 pm
old salt wrote: Mon Dec 21, 2020 2:51 pm This is Flynn's last public statement or direct quote reported re martial law.
Until I see a direct quote from Flynn specifically calling for martial law, I attribute any recommendations for martial law to Sid.
Flynn has to know the military would not follow such an order, if it even got that far.
old salt wrote: Sat Dec 19, 2020 4:59 am FTR -- here's what Flynn actually said :

Within the swing states, if he wanted to, he could take military capabilities, and he could place those in states and basically rerun an election in each of those states.

I mean, it's not unprecedented. These people are out there talking about martial law like it's something that we've never done. Martial law has been instituted 64 times. I'm not calling for that.

We have a constitutional process. We clearly have a constitutional process. That has to be followed.
Until I see a direct quote from Flynn, I still stand by this :
old salt wrote: Fri Dec 18, 2020 7:14 pm
njbill wrote: Fri Dec 18, 2020 5:32 pm But it seems Michael Flynn is really a different animal.

As if he hadn’t done so already, Flynn, of late, has really revealed his true colors. He is truly engaging in seditious activity. He is beginning to remind me of that general in Homeland who after being subjected to the strip search in prison is killed by the prison guard. Not wishing that end on Flynn, but from his recent conduct, one thinks Flynn would be willing to lead a violent revolution against the American democracy. Sad. Really sad.
No question. Flynn has changed. He felt betrayed by the way he was ousted as DIA & everything he experienced since has only served to reinforce that. He co-operated fully with Mueller, only to be further betrayed by Sullivan. Out of money & options, he accepted Sid's help. His bitterness, paranoia & sense of betrayal are not hard to understand.

Don't read too much into his recent theatrics. I think he's trolling & triggering. Fear Porn. In his latest, he said "could" not "should". He was speaking hypothetically about a President's powers. He pointed out that martial law has been declared 64 times. He also said he was not advocating that & that we have a constitutional process which must be followed.

It is sad to watch, considering all that he accomplished before his DIA ouster, but I still regard this as political theater (of the absurd).
It seems pretty clear that Flynn and his crazy family have at a minimum lent his name — and the thinning reed of his credibility and reputation — to the notion of a declaration of martial law, holdover presidency and an election mulligan is an idea worth trying. The guy is a despicable fool, and every occurrence that kept him out of government generally, to say nothing of the NSA job, looks good from here.
I don't disagree that Flynn no longer has a place in govt. I still maintain that he was a viable NSA candidate until the IC succeeded in their plan to discredit, undermine, & remove him from that job. Sadly, they succeeded. It didn't have to play out this way. The IC are pros at eliminating their targets, ...as Chuck Schumer accurately predicted. Flynn was a marked man from the time he joined the Trump campaign. Too many holdover enemies from the Obama Admin & upper level IC political appointees. He was a helluva soldier who did more good than we'll ever know. He had sound ideas about how to improve the IC, NSC, & our foreign policy. Sadly, he was out of his depth, with few allies, in a shark tank Trump Admin.
The IC has him acting a fool....Poor Mike Flynn...first he was tricked into lying and now the IC have forced him to become a fool.....my bet is you just get to see more of him....luke seei g Trump in office....I told some of my Trump supporting friends the more they see him the more they will realize he’s a fool....Same with Mike Flynn....he didn’t become stupid all of a sudden.
You know not of what you speak. When Flynn first joined the Trump campaign (well before lock her up), I predicted the IC would try to take him out (ask afan about my IC civil war/rice bowl prediction). Sadly, it proved to be accurate.
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old salt wrote: Mon Dec 21, 2020 6:54 pm
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Mon Dec 21, 2020 3:33 pm
old salt wrote: Mon Dec 21, 2020 3:19 pm
seacoaster wrote: Mon Dec 21, 2020 2:58 pm
old salt wrote: Mon Dec 21, 2020 2:51 pm This is Flynn's last public statement or direct quote reported re martial law.
Until I see a direct quote from Flynn specifically calling for martial law, I attribute any recommendations for martial law to Sid.
Flynn has to know the military would not follow such an order, if it even got that far.
old salt wrote: Sat Dec 19, 2020 4:59 am FTR -- here's what Flynn actually said :

Within the swing states, if he wanted to, he could take military capabilities, and he could place those in states and basically rerun an election in each of those states.

I mean, it's not unprecedented. These people are out there talking about martial law like it's something that we've never done. Martial law has been instituted 64 times. I'm not calling for that.

We have a constitutional process. We clearly have a constitutional process. That has to be followed.
Until I see a direct quote from Flynn, I still stand by this :
old salt wrote: Fri Dec 18, 2020 7:14 pm
njbill wrote: Fri Dec 18, 2020 5:32 pm But it seems Michael Flynn is really a different animal.

As if he hadn’t done so already, Flynn, of late, has really revealed his true colors. He is truly engaging in seditious activity. He is beginning to remind me of that general in Homeland who after being subjected to the strip search in prison is killed by the prison guard. Not wishing that end on Flynn, but from his recent conduct, one thinks Flynn would be willing to lead a violent revolution against the American democracy. Sad. Really sad.
No question. Flynn has changed. He felt betrayed by the way he was ousted as DIA & everything he experienced since has only served to reinforce that. He co-operated fully with Mueller, only to be further betrayed by Sullivan. Out of money & options, he accepted Sid's help. His bitterness, paranoia & sense of betrayal are not hard to understand.

Don't read too much into his recent theatrics. I think he's trolling & triggering. Fear Porn. In his latest, he said "could" not "should". He was speaking hypothetically about a President's powers. He pointed out that martial law has been declared 64 times. He also said he was not advocating that & that we have a constitutional process which must be followed.

It is sad to watch, considering all that he accomplished before his DIA ouster, but I still regard this as political theater (of the absurd).
It seems pretty clear that Flynn and his crazy family have at a minimum lent his name — and the thinning reed of his credibility and reputation — to the notion of a declaration of martial law, holdover presidency and an election mulligan is an idea worth trying. The guy is a despicable fool, and every occurrence that kept him out of government generally, to say nothing of the NSA job, looks good from here.
I don't disagree that Flynn no longer has a place in govt. I still maintain that he was a viable NSA candidate until the IC succeeded in their plan to discredit, undermine, & remove him from that job. Sadly, they succeeded. It didn't have to play out this way. The IC are pros at eliminating their targets, ...as Chuck Schumer accurately predicted. Flynn was a marked man from the time he joined the Trump campaign. Too many holdover enemies from the Obama Admin & upper level IC political appointees. He was a helluva soldier who did more good than we'll ever know. He had sound ideas about how to improve the IC, NSC, & our foreign policy. Sadly, he was out of his depth, with few allies, in a shark tank Trump Admin.
The IC has him acting a fool....Poor Mike Flynn...first he was tricked into lying and now the IC have forced him to become a fool.....my bet is you just get to see more of him....luke seei g Trump in office....I told some of my Trump supporting friends the more they see him the more they will realize he’s a fool....Same with Mike Flynn....he didn’t become stupid all of a sudden.
You know not of what you speak. When Flynn first joined the Trump campaign (well before lock her up), I predicted the IC would try to take him out (ask afan about my IC civil war/rice bowl prediction). Sadly, it proved to be accurate.
If outside influences causes him to lie and then act a fool, he was in the wrong position. Clearly unstable and unfit for the job. Thanks for pointing out his shortcomings. Head of security at Mondawmin Mall is what he is fit for at this point. Obama was right.
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