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MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Mon May 02, 2022 8:56 am

laxreference wrote: ↑Mon May 02, 2022 8:52 am Here's what I submitted for my Top-20 this week...




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Did you simply forget Harvard?

Crimson finished the season with the #28 Elo rating and the 18th best Strength-of-Record. That worked out to a final ranking of 22.

Can Opener wrote: ↑Mon May 02, 2022 9:15 am

laxreference wrote: ↑Mon May 02, 2022 8:52 am Here's what I submitted for my Top-20 this week...




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Brown has beaten Yale, Cornell and Penn, yet you rank all three ahead of the Bears.

Bears are still working off their early season stumbles. Brown current has the #16 Elo rating and the 11th best Strength-of-Record. I'm not big on requiring head-to-head as a criterion in any ranking.

lorin wrote: ↑Mon May 02, 2022 9:07 am

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Mon May 02, 2022 8:56 am

laxreference wrote: ↑Mon May 02, 2022 8:52 am Here's what I submitted for my Top-20 this week...




lacrossereference_rankings_20220501_NCAAD1Men.jpg

Did you simply forget Harvard?

was thinking same thing

gotta be an oversight, an oops...

uhh ohhh...apparently not.

Losses to Ohio State, Penn,Cornell and Yale...nobody below his #14, but wins over PU, Brown and BU...

laxreference wrote: ↑Mon May 02, 2022 9:21 am

Can Opener wrote: ↑Mon May 02, 2022 9:15 am

laxreference wrote: ↑Mon May 02, 2022 8:52 am Here's what I submitted for my Top-20 this week...




lacrossereference_rankings_20220501_NCAAD1Men.jpg

Brown has beaten Yale, Cornell and Penn, yet you rank all three ahead of the Bears.

Bears are still working off their early season stumbles. Brown current has the #16 Elo rating and the 11th best Strength-of-Record. I'm not big on requiring head-to-head as a criterion in any ranking.

I'm not big on ELO. Too many goofy results. Even worse are the individual player rankings each week. Algorithms have to pass a reasonableness test. These don't.

Gobigred wrote: ↑Mon May 02, 2022 12:09 pm

laxreference wrote: ↑Mon May 02, 2022 9:21 am

Can Opener wrote: ↑Mon May 02, 2022 9:15 am

laxreference wrote: ↑Mon May 02, 2022 8:52 am Here's what I submitted for my Top-20 this week...




lacrossereference_rankings_20220501_NCAAD1Men.jpg

Brown has beaten Yale, Cornell and Penn, yet you rank all three ahead of the Bears.

Bears are still working off their early season stumbles. Brown current has the #16 Elo rating and the 11th best Strength-of-Record. I'm not big on requiring head-to-head as a criterion in any ranking.

I'm not big on ELO. Too many goofy results. Even worse are the individual player rankings each week. Algorithms have to pass a reasonableness test. These don't.

Question for you, lacrosse reference .com has a player who ranks 24th in points, 13th in goals 92nd in assist. and he has the best EGA other then FO guys. just goes to show you if you play with numbers u can create what ever you want to sell. Waste of time IMO.

lorin wrote: ↑Wed May 04, 2022 8:51 am

Gobigred wrote: ↑Mon May 02, 2022 12:09 pm

laxreference wrote: ↑Mon May 02, 2022 9:21 am

Can Opener wrote: ↑Mon May 02, 2022 9:15 am

laxreference wrote: ↑Mon May 02, 2022 8:52 am Here's what I submitted for my Top-20 this week...




lacrossereference_rankings_20220501_NCAAD1Men.jpg

Brown has beaten Yale, Cornell and Penn, yet you rank all three ahead of the Bears.

Bears are still working off their early season stumbles. Brown current has the #16 Elo rating and the 11th best Strength-of-Record. I'm not big on requiring head-to-head as a criterion in any ranking.

I'm not big on ELO. Too many goofy results. Even worse are the individual player rankings each week. Algorithms have to pass a reasonableness test. These don't.

Question for you, lacrosse reference .com has a player who ranks 24th in points, 13th in goals 92nd in assist. and he has the best EGA other then FO guys. just goes to show you if you play with numbers u can create what ever you want to sell. Waste of time IMO.

Harvard's highest ranked player is a goalie who has played only one game but has made three saves and given up no goals. Impressive?

lorin wrote: ↑Wed May 04, 2022 8:51 am
Question for you, lacrosse reference .com has a player who ranks 24th in points, 13th in goals 92nd in assist. and he has the best EGA other then FO guys. just goes to show you if you play with numbers u can create what ever you want to sell. Waste of time IMO.

I think you are referring to Brennan O'Neill and he's an interesting test case of EGA, which accounts for the good and the bad that each player contributes to their team.

The reason he's 6th in EGA/game is largely down to the fact that he's had a great season with respect to ball security in addition to all the points he has amassed. He's only had 17 turnovers all season and given his usage rate, that puts him in the 97th percentile nationally. If you look at his points and subtract turnovers, he's fourth in the country. (Shout out to Kyle Devitte for coining this stat the #DevitteMatrix.)

Being productive isn't just about points.

laxreference wrote: ↑Wed May 04, 2022 12:37 pm

lorin wrote: ↑Wed May 04, 2022 8:51 am
Question for you, lacrosse reference .com has a player who ranks 24th in points, 13th in goals 92nd in assist. and he has the best EGA other then FO guys. just goes to show you if you play with numbers u can create what ever you want to sell. Waste of time IMO.

I think you are referring to Brennan O'Neill and he's an interesting test case of EGA, which accounts for the good and the bad that each player contributes to their team.

The reason he's 6th in EGA/game is largely down to the fact that he's had a great season with respect to ball security in addition to all the points he has amassed. He's only had 17 turnovers all season and given his usage rate, that puts him in the 97th percentile nationally. If you look at his points and subtract turnovers, he's fourth in the country. (Shout out to Kyle Devitte for coining this stat the #DevitteMatrix.)

Being productive isn't just about points.

So his EGA IS 63.16 because he only has 17 TO in 16 game. 2 CT

Brandau Ranking who has 18 TO in 13 games and 5 CT
Points 1st
Goals 2nd
Assist 7th
EGA 56.99

Thank you judge I rest my case, your stats are a waste of time.

lorin wrote: ↑Thu May 05, 2022 8:03 am

laxreference wrote: ↑Wed May 04, 2022 12:37 pm

lorin wrote: ↑Wed May 04, 2022 8:51 am
Question for you, lacrosse reference .com has a player who ranks 24th in points, 13th in goals 92nd in assist. and he has the best EGA other then FO guys. just goes to show you if you play with numbers u can create what ever you want to sell. Waste of time IMO.

I think you are referring to Brennan O'Neill and he's an interesting test case of EGA, which accounts for the good and the bad that each player contributes to their team.

The reason he's 6th in EGA/game is largely down to the fact that he's had a great season with respect to ball security in addition to all the points he has amassed. He's only had 17 turnovers all season and given his usage rate, that puts him in the 97th percentile nationally. If you look at his points and subtract turnovers, he's fourth in the country. (Shout out to Kyle Devitte for coining this stat the #DevitteMatrix.)

Being productive isn't just about points.

So his EGA IS 63.16 because he only has 17 TO in 16 game. 2 CT

Brandau Ranking who has 18 TO in 13 games and 5 CT
Points 1st
Goals 2nd
Assist 7th
EGA 56.99

Thank you judge I rest my case, your stats are a waste of time.

1
Brennan ONeill
Duke
16
68.43
4.28
63.16
▬
2
Brendan Nichtern
Army
14
62.69
4.48
60.44
▬
3
Chris Gray
North Carolina
14
63.87
4.56
58.41
▲1
4
Matt Brandau
Yale
13
62.75
4.83
56.99
▼1
5
Asher Nolting
High Point
14
60.57
4.33
54.93
▬
6
Jack Myers
Ohio State
14
57.73
4.12
54.43
▲2
7
Tucker Dordevic
Syracuse
14
57.99
4.14
54.31
▼1
8
Josh Zawada
Michigan
15
57.83
3.86
54.30
▼1
9
Brandon Dodd
Air Force
13
55.50
4.27
53.00
▬
10
CJ Kirst
Cornell
14
59.87
4.28
51.57

lorin wrote: ↑Thu May 05, 2022 8:03 am

laxreference wrote: ↑Wed May 04, 2022 12:37 pm

lorin wrote: ↑Wed May 04, 2022 8:51 am
Question for you, lacrosse reference .com has a player who ranks 24th in points, 13th in goals 92nd in assist. and he has the best EGA other then FO guys. just goes to show you if you play with numbers u can create what ever you want to sell. Waste of time IMO.

I think you are referring to Brennan O'Neill and he's an interesting test case of EGA, which accounts for the good and the bad that each player contributes to their team.

The reason he's 6th in EGA/game is largely down to the fact that he's had a great season with respect to ball security in addition to all the points he has amassed. He's only had 17 turnovers all season and given his usage rate, that puts him in the 97th percentile nationally. If you look at his points and subtract turnovers, he's fourth in the country. (Shout out to Kyle Devitte for coining this stat the #DevitteMatrix.)

Being productive isn't just about points.

So his EGA IS 63.16 because he only has 17 TO in 16 game. 2 CT

Brandau Ranking who has 18 TO in 13 games and 5 CT
Points 1st
Goals 2nd
Assist 7th
EGA 56.99

Thank you judge I rest my case, your stats are a waste of time.

For those curious about the per-game EGA ranking (which accounts for differences in games played), the top-10 currently looks like this:

Matt Brandau (YALE): 4.83 EGA/game
Pat Kavanagh (ND): 4.59
Chris Gray (UNC): 4.56
Brendan Nichtern (ARMY): 4.48
Asher Nolting (HPU): 4.33
Brennan O'Neill (DUKE): 4.28
CJ Kirst (COR): 4.28
Brandon Dodd (AFA): 4.27
Brian Minicus (COL): 4.24
John Piatelli (COR): 4.23

The full list, which is sortable by total EGA or by EGA-per-game is here.

laxreference wrote: ↑Thu May 05, 2022 8:38 am

lorin wrote: ↑Thu May 05, 2022 8:03 am

laxreference wrote: ↑Wed May 04, 2022 12:37 pm

lorin wrote: ↑Wed May 04, 2022 8:51 am
Question for you, lacrosse reference .com has a player who ranks 24th in points, 13th in goals 92nd in assist. and he has the best EGA other then FO guys. just goes to show you if you play with numbers u can create what ever you want to sell. Waste of time IMO.

I think you are referring to Brennan O'Neill and he's an interesting test case of EGA, which accounts for the good and the bad that each player contributes to their team.

The reason he's 6th in EGA/game is largely down to the fact that he's had a great season with respect to ball security in addition to all the points he has amassed. He's only had 17 turnovers all season and given his usage rate, that puts him in the 97th percentile nationally. If you look at his points and subtract turnovers, he's fourth in the country. (Shout out to Kyle Devitte for coining this stat the #DevitteMatrix.)

Being productive isn't just about points.

So his EGA IS 63.16 because he only has 17 TO in 16 game. 2 CT

Brandau Ranking who has 18 TO in 13 games and 5 CT
Points 1st
Goals 2nd
Assist 7th
EGA 56.99

Thank you judge I rest my case, your stats are a waste of time.

For those curious about the per-game EGA ranking (which accounts for differences in games played), the top-10 currently looks like this:

Matt Brandau (YALE): 4.83 EGA/game
Pat Kavanagh (ND): 4.59
Chris Gray (UNC): 4.56
Brendan Nichtern (ARMY): 4.48
Asher Nolting (HPU): 4.33
Brennan O'Neill (DUKE): 4.28
CJ Kirst (COR): 4.28
Brandon Dodd (AFA): 4.27
Brian Minicus (COL): 4.24
John Piatelli (COR): 4.23

The full list, which is sortable by total EGA or by EGA-per-game is here.

Interesting that my top choice for Tewy didn't make this list.
Here are my top 5:
1. Wisnauskis
2. Brandau
3. Nichtern
4. Piatelli
5. Watson
GOBIGRED
Joewillie78

joewillie78 wrote: ↑Thu May 05, 2022 10:00 am

laxreference wrote: ↑Thu May 05, 2022 8:38 am

For those curious about the per-game EGA ranking (which accounts for differences in games played), the top-10 currently looks like this:

Matt Brandau (YALE): 4.83 EGA/game
Pat Kavanagh (ND): 4.59
Chris Gray (UNC): 4.56
Brendan Nichtern (ARMY): 4.48
Asher Nolting (HPU): 4.33
Brennan O'Neill (DUKE): 4.28
CJ Kirst (COR): 4.28
Brandon Dodd (AFA): 4.27
Brian Minicus (COL): 4.24
John Piatelli (COR): 4.23

The full list, which is sortable by total EGA or by EGA-per-game is here.

Interesting that my top choice for Tewy didn't make this list.
Here are my top 5:
1. Wisnauskis
2. Brandau
3. Nichtern
4. Piatelli
5. Watson
GOBIGRED
Joewillie78

Terps have so much depth and so many options (and have blown out so many teams). Here are the play shares for your top 5 guys. Wiz is never going to have super high EGA/gm or point totals relative to someone like Nichtern whose usage rate is 50% higher.

1. Logan Wisnauskas: 7.5%
2. Matt Brandau: 8.64%
3. Brendan Nichtern: 11.5%
4. John Piatelli: 10.6%
5. Dylan WATSON: 8.6%

If we adjust EGA production to account for disparate play shares, we get a usage-adjusted-EGA, which I think of as individual player efficiency (how much are you doing with the opportunity your team gives you).

1. Logan Wisnauskas: 2.59
2. Matt Brandau: 2.79
3. Brendan Nichtern: 1.95
4. John Piatelli: 2.00
5. Dylan WATSON: 1.86

laxreference wrote: ↑Thu May 05, 2022 8:38 am

lorin wrote: ↑Thu May 05, 2022 8:03 am

laxreference wrote: ↑Wed May 04, 2022 12:37 pm

lorin wrote: ↑Wed May 04, 2022 8:51 am
Question for you, lacrosse reference .com has a player who ranks 24th in points, 13th in goals 92nd in assist. and he has the best EGA other then FO guys. just goes to show you if you play with numbers u can create what ever you want to sell. Waste of time IMO.

I think you are referring to Brennan O'Neill and he's an interesting test case of EGA, which accounts for the good and the bad that each player contributes to their team.

The reason he's 6th in EGA/game is largely down to the fact that he's had a great season with respect to ball security in addition to all the points he has amassed. He's only had 17 turnovers all season and given his usage rate, that puts him in the 97th percentile nationally. If you look at his points and subtract turnovers, he's fourth in the country. (Shout out to Kyle Devitte for coining this stat the #DevitteMatrix.)

Being productive isn't just about points.

So his EGA IS 63.16 because he only has 17 TO in 16 game. 2 CT

Brandau Ranking who has 18 TO in 13 games and 5 CT
Points 1st
Goals 2nd
Assist 7th
EGA 56.99

Thank you judge I rest my case, your stats are a waste of time.

For those curious about the per-game EGA ranking (which accounts for differences in games played), the top-10 currently looks like this:

Matt Brandau (YALE): 4.83 EGA/game
Pat Kavanagh (ND): 4.59
Chris Gray (UNC): 4.56
Brendan Nichtern (ARMY): 4.48
Asher Nolting (HPU): 4.33
Brennan O'Neill (DUKE): 4.28
CJ Kirst (COR): 4.28
Brandon Dodd (AFA): 4.27
Brian Minicus (COL): 4.24
John Piatelli (COR): 4.23

The full list, which is sortable by total EGA or by EGA-per-game is here.

I love that you always choice the stat that has the ACC/ IVY up top.

Holy hell he’s just doing an analysis and you’re accusing him of being biased with nothing but vitriol and bitterness to retort with.

Brandau is ahead of ONeill in PER game EGA. Vs aggregate.

Thank you idiot judge I rest my case.

Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Thu May 05, 2022 10:33 am Holy hell he’s just doing an analysis and you’re accusing him of being biased with nothing but vitriol and bitterness to retort with.

Bra day is ahead of ONeill in PER game EGA. Vs aggregate.

Thank you idiot judge I rest my case.

I was coming in here to make similar post, but you did it much better than I would. Certainly, pointing out possible flaws in the numbers seems fine, but lorin didn't help his credibility with that exchange.

ohmilax34 wrote: ↑Thu May 05, 2022 10:43 am

Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Thu May 05, 2022 10:33 am Holy hell he’s just doing an analysis and you’re accusing him of being biased with nothing but vitriol and bitterness to retort with.

Bra day is ahead of ONeill in PER game EGA. Vs aggregate.

Thank you idiot judge I rest my case.

I was coming in here to make similar post, but you did it much better than I would. Certainly, pointing out possible flaws in the numbers seems fine, but lorin didn't help his credibility with that exchange.

There’s a history there with that one.

Note neither of us took issue with Gobigreds comment.

Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Thu May 05, 2022 10:48 am

ohmilax34 wrote: ↑Thu May 05, 2022 10:43 am

Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Thu May 05, 2022 10:33 am Holy hell he’s just doing an analysis and you’re accusing him of being biased with nothing but vitriol and bitterness to retort with.

Bra day is ahead of ONeill in PER game EGA. Vs aggregate.

Thank you idiot judge I rest my case.

I was coming in here to make similar post, but you did it much better than I would. Certainly, pointing out possible flaws in the numbers seems fine, but lorin didn't help his credibility with that exchange.

There’s a history there with that one.

Note neither of us took issue with Gobigreds comment.

My Top 5 were:

1. BIG
2. IVY
3. PATRIOT
4. IVY
5. BE

A little Ivy Bias but pretty fair I would say. Oneill and Gray are also deserving but I think their team success or lack thereof hurts them a bit.
GOBIGRED
Joewillie78

joewillie78 wrote: ↑Thu May 05, 2022 11:09 am

Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Thu May 05, 2022 10:48 am

ohmilax34 wrote: ↑Thu May 05, 2022 10:43 am

Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Thu May 05, 2022 10:33 am Holy hell he’s just doing an analysis and you’re accusing him of being biased with nothing but vitriol and bitterness to retort with.

Bra day is ahead of ONeill in PER game EGA. Vs aggregate.

Thank you idiot judge I rest my case.

I was coming in here to make similar post, but you did it much better than I would. Certainly, pointing out possible flaws in the numbers seems fine, but lorin didn't help his credibility with that exchange.

There’s a history there with that one.

Note neither of us took issue with Gobigreds comment.

My Top 5 were:

1. BIG
2. IVY
3. PATRIOT
4. IVY
5. BE

A little Ivy Bias but pretty fair I would say. Oneill and Gray are also deserving but I think their team success or lack thereof hurts them a bit.
GOBIGRED
Joewillie78

You always are fair, my post was at lacrosse reference and how they come up with meaningless stats, serious question does someone during the game have a stop watch to track how long every player holds the ball, Juice box boy please go away men are talking here.

joewillie78 wrote: ↑Thu May 05, 2022 11:09 am

Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Thu May 05, 2022 10:48 am

ohmilax34 wrote: ↑Thu May 05, 2022 10:43 am

Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Thu May 05, 2022 10:33 am Holy hell he’s just doing an analysis and you’re accusing him of being biased with nothing but vitriol and bitterness to retort with.

Bra day is ahead of ONeill in PER game EGA. Vs aggregate.

Thank you idiot judge I rest my case.

I was coming in here to make similar post, but you did it much better than I would. Certainly, pointing out possible flaws in the numbers seems fine, but lorin didn't help his credibility with that exchange.

There’s a history there with that one.

Note neither of us took issue with Gobigreds comment.

My Top 5 were:

1. BIG
2. IVY
3. PATRIOT
4. IVY
5. BE

A little Ivy Bias but pretty fair I would say. Oneill and Gray are also deserving but I think their team success or lack thereof hurts them a bit.
GOBIGRED
Joewillie78

Top to bottom IVY is best this year. I don’t know if you meant that 2 + 4 is better than 1 by having IVY at both spots, presume you mean ACC at 4-I’m not sure league-wide when it looks like Patriot has zero chance at an at large (maybe if Army lost to BU) and ACC is still looking at 2-3 at larges and whoever is at the bottom of the ACC is beating the HC/Laf/Gate cohort by 6-20 goals (see Cuse win over HC as just one example, closest game there was an early 5-6 goal win by UNC over Gate).

MD skews things heavily and having Rutgers and a potential OSU at large is nice but after top 1-2 IVY is stronger rest of the way across this year.

lorin wrote: ↑Thu May 05, 2022 11:26 am

joewillie78 wrote: ↑Thu May 05, 2022 11:09 am

Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Thu May 05, 2022 10:48 am

ohmilax34 wrote: ↑Thu May 05, 2022 10:43 am

Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Thu May 05, 2022 10:33 am Holy hell he’s just doing an analysis and you’re accusing him of being biased with nothing but vitriol and bitterness to retort with.

Bra day is ahead of ONeill in PER game EGA. Vs aggregate.

Thank you idiot judge I rest my case.

I was coming in here to make similar post, but you did it much better than I would. Certainly, pointing out possible flaws in the numbers seems fine, but lorin didn't help his credibility with that exchange.

There’s a history there with that one.

Note neither of us took issue with Gobigreds comment.

My Top 5 were:

1. BIG
2. IVY
3. PATRIOT
4. IVY
5. BE

A little Ivy Bias but pretty fair I would say. Oneill and Gray are also deserving but I think their team success or lack thereof hurts them a bit.
GOBIGRED
Joewillie78

You always are fair, my post was at lacrosse reference and how they come up with meaningless stats, serious question does someone during the game have a stop watch to track how long every player holds the ball, Juice box boy please go away men are talking here.

The men were talking until you came back. Just bitter.

Go read what lacrosseref does to put this together, out of his pocket from his home. What are you creating to try and make this a better experience for others?