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Peter Brown wrote: ↑Mon Jul 08, 2019 4:06 pm

stupefied wrote: ↑Mon Jul 08, 2019 3:32 pm Surprise!! Spoiler alert : D1 programs tend to be time consuming and sometimes physically demanding.

I tend to believe the gist of what Realguy is saying and surprised at the cynicism here because nothing seems outside the realm. Id assume any Seal training is closer to an introductory than advanced phase with intensity no greater than repeated wind sprints or hero training done by some for conditioning . Rowing boats near dawn to me is nothing more than a bonding experience that may be more enjoyable than early morning lifts.

Let's see, his original post contained these 6 beauties:

1. UMD lax is 'not about skill'
2. Tills 'over-recruits' (realguy must have a HUGE problem with Lars then!)
3. UMD has a ton of 'binge drinkers' because they don't see the field
4. Tills 'runs them into the ground like they are at USNA'
5. "Every conceivable rule is broken'
6. Dubick was made to feel 'insignificant' but he played anyway all because 'he was a legacy'

You believe the gist of this realguy? Seriously? You don't smell an agenda here? Tillman is more than a coach to the guys; he's an upstanding man, with a great family. God forbid he reads bs posts like that.

Realguy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 08, 2019 4:48 pm it's all about the narrative Down Town Stinky Brown and I said over and again if a kid has the mettle to hang in there for 4 years he is better off for it. Tills is a good man but can be more demanding than most !

Wheels wrote: ↑Mon Jul 08, 2019 9:05 pm Ty Xanders is reporting that James Avanzato is transferring to Towson. Wish him luck. He will do well at Towson.

lakeshow1844 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 08, 2019 7:40 pm

Peter Brown wrote: ↑Mon Jul 08, 2019 4:06 pm

stupefied wrote: ↑Mon Jul 08, 2019 3:32 pm Surprise!! Spoiler alert : D1 programs tend to be time consuming and sometimes physically demanding.

I tend to believe the gist of what Realguy is saying and surprised at the cynicism here because nothing seems outside the realm. Id assume any Seal training is closer to an introductory than advanced phase with intensity no greater than repeated wind sprints or hero training done by some for conditioning . Rowing boats near dawn to me is nothing more than a bonding experience that may be more enjoyable than early morning lifts.

Let's see, his original post contained these 6 beauties:

1. UMD lax is 'not about skill'
2. Tills 'over-recruits' (realguy must have a HUGE problem with Lars then!)
3. UMD has a ton of 'binge drinkers' because they don't see the field
4. Tills 'runs them into the ground like they are at USNA'
5. "Every conceivable rule is broken'
6. Dubick was made to feel 'insignificant' but he played anyway all because 'he was a legacy'

You believe the gist of this realguy? Seriously? You don't smell an agenda here? Tillman is more than a coach to the guys; he's an upstanding man, with a great family. God forbid he reads bs posts like that.

With regards to No. 2 - the 'over-recruiting' debate - the Terps certainly have more recruits coming in the 2019 (Rising College Freshmen) and 2020 (Rising HS Seniors) classes than the Cavs.

*Note: Rankings according to IL

2019:
Maryland [16]
No. 7 Nicholas DeMaio, A, Coronado (Calif.) / Brady’s Bunch
No. 9 Dylan Pallonetti, A, Ward Melville (N.Y.) / LI Express
No. 41 Justin Sherrer, LSM, Etowah (Ga.) / Thunder LB3
No. 43 Logan McNaney, G, Salisbury (Conn.) / SweetLax
No. 66 Conor Calderone, F/O, Smithtown West (N.Y.) / Laxachusetts
No. 69 Jack Brennan, A, Irondequoit (N.Y.) / SweetLax
No. 73 Kelan Duff, D, Culver (Ind.) / SweetLax

No. 78 Jack Sawyer, A/M, Calvert Hall (Md.) / FCA Maryland
No. 83 Dawson Wynne, M, Salisbury (Conn.) / SweetLax
Michael Mines, M, Torrey Pines (Calif.) / West Coast Starz
Ryan Siracusa, A, Centennial (Ga.) / Thunder LB3
Connor Whalen, LSM, Bishop Shanahan (Pa.) / Philly Freedom
Danny Maltz, A, Riverside (Va.) / SweetLax
Garrett Gibbons, M, Massapequa (N.Y.) / LI Outlaws
King Ripley, M, Hill Academy (Ont.) / Annapolis Hawks
Luke Wierman, F/O, Henderson (Pa.) / PA Roughriders

*Note: included DeMaio because he is a freshman this year by eligibility.

Virginia [8]
No. 1 Connor Shellenberger, A, St. Anne’s Belfield (Va.) / Madlax
No. 3 Scott Bower, D, Episcopal Dallas (Tex.) / Stick Star
No. 4 Gavin Tygh, F/O, Penn Charter (Pa.) / Big 4 HHH
No. 27 Quentin Matsui, LSM/D, Eden Prairie (Minn.) / Project Midwest
No. 30 Jake Giulieri, LSM/D, Georgetown Prep (Md.) / Blackwolf
No. 35 Peter Garno, M, Haverford (Pa.) / Mesa Fresh
No. 100 Drew Brennfleck, M, Mountain Lakes (N.J.) / STEPS
Daniel Parker, M, St. Anthony’s (N.Y.) / LI Express

2020
Maryland [10]
No. 4 Eric Malever, A, Woodward Academy (Ga.) / Thunder LB3
No. 10 Jack Schirtzer, LSM/D, Mount Sinai (N.Y.) / Team 91
No. 14 Jack Koras, A/M, Loyola Blakefield (Md.) / FCA Maryland
No. 18 Gabe Goforth, M, Bishop Shanahan (Pa.) / Philly Freedom
No. 45 Jackson Marshall, G, Calvert Hall (Md.) / FCA Maryland
No. 57 Alex Wicks, M, St. Mary’s (Md.) / Annapolis Hawks
No. 59 Payton Giberson, F/O, Oakdale (Md.) / Looney’s
No. 60 Michael O’Connell, M, Chaminade (N.Y.) / LI Express
No. 98 Ajax Zappitello, D, Sunset (Ore.) / Legends West
Nicholas Redd, LSM/D, Wilmington Friends (Del.) / Nation United

Virginia [8]
No. 8 Patrick McIntosh, A, Salisbury (Conn.) / SweetLax
No. 15 Russell Maher, A, Mount Sinai (N.Y.) / LI Express
No. 38 Jack Walshe, M, St. Anthony’s (N.Y.) / LI Express
No. 43 Michael Prestipino, D, Conestoga (Pa.) / Rising Sons
No. 44 Jake Naso, F/O, St. Anthony’s (N.Y.) / LI Legacy
No. 55 Connell Kumar, M, Seton Hall Prep (N.J.) / Leading Edge
No. 56 Ben Wayer, LSM, St. Stephen’s & St. Agnes (Va.) / Blackwolf
Mikie Harmeyer, A, Severna Park (Md.) / FCA Maryland

Only 16 recruits for Lars compared to 26 for Tills over the next 2 years. Seems like Lars is trying to move away from the MD/Hop/Cuse model of brining in as many guys as you can and finding your top guys from there. No doubt Tills gets both quantity and quality (not sure the same can be said about JHU and Cute at this point), but seems like Lars is moving towards being more selective with smaller classes similar to Coach Dino in Durham.

I expect Tiffany to fill out those classes with a few in-state walk ons like Jack Peele - a sophomore middle from McLean, Va (#49) who contributed for the national champs on the 2nd line - but regardless, the Cavs staff seems to being going for less quantity in their recruiting classes than the MD staff at this point. It'll be interesting to follow how many guys these teams add to their 2020 classes over the next year.

Seahawk wrote: ↑Tue Jul 09, 2019 6:47 pm I read somewhere that King Ripley in the MD list was going PG in 2019 since he was a HS Sr this year at St Mary’s in Annapolis.

Comeonman wrote: ↑Tue Jul 09, 2019 5:58 pm Not sure why Grill would transfer, other than the graft that Amplo is gone. But he can’t follow him to the academy. He is a rising senior and has started since his freshman year. No redshirt. No injuries. Perhaps he graduated in three years and wants to land a spot with a perennial powerhouse and grab a title as a grad student. Any past examples of guys transferring their senior year?

Seahawk wrote: ↑Tue Jul 09, 2019 6:48 pm

Seahawk wrote: ↑Tue Jul 09, 2019 6:47 pm I read somewhere that King Ripley in the MD list was going PG in 2019 since he was a HS Sr this year at St Mary’s in Annapolis.

Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Tue Jul 09, 2019 4:35 pm Seeing some movement happening, anything hear on either Seay and Bellarmine or the Pole from marquette I the portal?

TheBigIguana wrote: ↑Tue Jul 09, 2019 7:03 pm Maryland definitely over recruits. They have top 100 recruits transferring out every year. No other program has that problem.

In 2017 Maryland had 26 Freshman and Sophomores on 50 man roster for the National Championship team. By the end of 2019 , 11 were no longer Terps. Conversely, Duke had 21 Freshman / Sophomores on a 42 man roster I 2017 and by the end of 2019 all 21 still remained with the team. UVA had 23 / 44 respective frosh/soph to roster size in 2017 Tiffany's first year so these aren't even his recruits. By the end of the 2019 all but 3 out of the 23 were no longer on the roster. So unless I am missing something there definitely is a force or reason that caused 40 % of those kids not to stick around and let's not forget the 3-4 recruits that don't make out of fall ball and on to the spring roster. Those 3-4 players roughly make up 25 % of the incoming recruits so that only makes you think What the heck is happening each and every year from the time they hit campus in late August until Christmas break. I think with the new portal mania you may see 5-6 kids enter the portal prior to the break unless something changes.Kids and parents today want instant gratification, together with social media everyone wants to post how great their life is.

palaxoff wrote: ↑Wed Jul 10, 2019 8:28 am

In 2017 Maryland had 26 Freshman and Sophomores on 50 man roster for the National Championship team. By the end of 2019 , 11 were no longer Terps. Conversely, Duke had 21 Freshman / Sophomores on a 42 man roster I 2017 and by the end of 2019 all 21 still remained with the team. UVA had 23 / 44 respective frosh/soph to roster size in 2017 Tiffany's first year so these aren't even his recruits. By the end of the 2019 all but 3 out of the 23 were no longer on the roster. So unless I am missing something there definitely is a force or reason that caused 40 % of those kids not to stick around and let's not forget the 3-4 recruits that don't make out of fall ball and on to the spring roster. Those 3-4 players roughly make up 25 % of the incoming recruits so that only makes you think What the heck is happening each and every year from the time they hit campus in late August until Christmas break. I think with the new portal mania you may see 5-6 kids enter the portal prior to the break unless something changes.Kids and parents today want instant gratification, together with social media everyone wants to post how great their life is.

I think this is a much more complex issue then it is tougher at one school or another. For example, the kids I coach and the parents I talk to, the first thing out of my mouth when I hear they are thinking DI is "You will be a student/athlete that means you have 2 full time jobs at school. Think 40 hours student- 40 hours athlete." I also point out the there are roughly 3000 D1 lacrosse players of which probably half will never get significant playing time. I think a lot of young men are so focused on being a D1 Athlete they lose the bigger picture. Once they get to school and live the reality they start seeing the bigger picture of life. Lacrosse will end and life will continue.

Also I don't know how accurate this is but I had 2 coaches tell me they expect about a 25% attrition rate for the kids they recruit for a variety of reason including injury.