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Re: The Nation's Financial Condition

Posted: Mon Jun 08, 2020 12:51 pm
by runrussellrun
In my fair state, food and clothing are NOT taxed. Well, any clothing below $175 is sales tax exempt.

Food, obviously, is essential. That is why it's not taxed, at all. Guessing that clothing is also essential. that is why it's not taxed in my state.

Question is, why can't I buy shorts, shirts, sneakers, a tie, a belt,..............if it's essential.

Idiot leaders.

Re: The Nation's Financial Condition

Posted: Mon Jun 08, 2020 12:54 pm
by runrussellrun
a fan wrote: Mon Jun 08, 2020 12:51 pm
runrussellrun wrote: Mon Jun 08, 2020 12:34 pm
a fan wrote: Sun Jun 07, 2020 3:26 pm
runrussellrun wrote: Sun Jun 07, 2020 3:10 pm Whose job IS it ....rooting out corruption?
On the Federal level? The FBI. Any other questions?
OK, so if tRump directed the fbi to investigate crackhead Biden, you'd be cool with it?
No, I wouldn't.

The FBI has to start these investigations on their own, with zero prompting or hinting from the President or his people.

And the fact that the FBI director is hired and fired by the President exposes a problem that was SUPPOSED to be fixed after Nixon.

They cannot fairly investigate corruption in the Executive Branch. We need to move the FBI to the Judicial Branch. Have the Director report to a panel of Federal Judges. This would solve SO many problems.
Lifetime Federal judges, basically impossible to remove? No thanks.

Thought the naughtyness was the quid pro quo, NOT the investigation itself ?

Either way, Biden running for POTUSA, temporarily, served it's purpose. The man got impeached. Here comes Hillary

Re: The Nation's Financial Condition

Posted: Mon Jun 08, 2020 1:04 pm
by Peter Brown
runrussellrun wrote: Mon Jun 08, 2020 12:39 pm
Peter Brown wrote: Mon Jun 08, 2020 10:28 am Ho hum, Dow now at 27,300. Up another 250 today at this hour.

I have it on good authority that this is all about a national credit card being used to prop up the market. No one is adding value to any publicly traded company. This must be so because very smart financial whizzes have been saying so since the market hit 18,500, which was about 67% ago! :lol:

(the reason I keep posting periodic updates about the market is not because I have nothing better to stare at, but because the market's rise inflames liberals to no end since it blasts holes in their TDS narrative; heck it might even go down some, who knows, maybe they'll be happy in the end; meanwhile I will stick with my friend's suggestion that the market is sure to hit 30,000 before it hits 15,000)

Anyway, have a great day!

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/06/07/stock-m ... -news.html
Grate......so all the folks you pretend to not stand, Bill Gates, jeff bezos, etc. are getting richer and richer. The google folks too.


Who says I don't like Gates and Bezos? I love those guys.

Re: The Nation's Financial Condition

Posted: Mon Jun 08, 2020 1:27 pm
by runrussellrun
Peter Brown wrote: Mon Jun 08, 2020 1:04 pm
runrussellrun wrote: Mon Jun 08, 2020 12:39 pm
Peter Brown wrote: Mon Jun 08, 2020 10:28 am Ho hum, Dow now at 27,300. Up another 250 today at this hour.

I have it on good authority that this is all about a national credit card being used to prop up the market. No one is adding value to any publicly traded company. This must be so because very smart financial whizzes have been saying so since the market hit 18,500, which was about 67% ago! :lol:

(the reason I keep posting periodic updates about the market is not because I have nothing better to stare at, but because the market's rise inflames liberals to no end since it blasts holes in their TDS narrative; heck it might even go down some, who knows, maybe they'll be happy in the end; meanwhile I will stick with my friend's suggestion that the market is sure to hit 30,000 before it hits 15,000)

Anyway, have a great day!

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/06/07/stock-m ... -news.html
Grate......so all the folks you pretend to not stand, Bill Gates, jeff bezos, etc. are getting richer and richer. The google folks too.


Who says I don't like Gates and Bezos? I love those guys.
you are boring.........

Re: The Nation's Financial Condition

Posted: Mon Jun 08, 2020 1:31 pm
by Peter Brown
runrussellrun wrote: Mon Jun 08, 2020 1:27 pm
Peter Brown wrote: Mon Jun 08, 2020 1:04 pm
runrussellrun wrote: Mon Jun 08, 2020 12:39 pm
Peter Brown wrote: Mon Jun 08, 2020 10:28 am Ho hum, Dow now at 27,300. Up another 250 today at this hour.

I have it on good authority that this is all about a national credit card being used to prop up the market. No one is adding value to any publicly traded company. This must be so because very smart financial whizzes have been saying so since the market hit 18,500, which was about 67% ago! :lol:

(the reason I keep posting periodic updates about the market is not because I have nothing better to stare at, but because the market's rise inflames liberals to no end since it blasts holes in their TDS narrative; heck it might even go down some, who knows, maybe they'll be happy in the end; meanwhile I will stick with my friend's suggestion that the market is sure to hit 30,000 before it hits 15,000)

Anyway, have a great day!

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/06/07/stock-m ... -news.html
Grate......so all the folks you pretend to not stand, Bill Gates, jeff bezos, etc. are getting richer and richer. The google folks too.


Who says I don't like Gates and Bezos? I love those guys.
you are boring.........


I've been told much worse by far better.

Re: The Nation's Financial Condition

Posted: Mon Jun 08, 2020 1:33 pm
by njbill
Peter Brown wrote: Mon Jun 08, 2020 1:04 pm Who says I don't like . . . Bezos? I love those guys.
Be careful, Pete. They are going to kick you out of the Trump Club. No more Mar-a-Lago for you.

Re: The Nation's Financial Condition

Posted: Mon Jun 08, 2020 1:49 pm
by runrussellrun
Peter Brown wrote: Mon Jun 08, 2020 1:31 pm
runrussellrun wrote: Mon Jun 08, 2020 1:27 pm
Peter Brown wrote: Mon Jun 08, 2020 1:04 pm
runrussellrun wrote: Mon Jun 08, 2020 12:39 pm
Peter Brown wrote: Mon Jun 08, 2020 10:28 am Ho hum, Dow now at 27,300. Up another 250 today at this hour.

I have it on good authority that this is all about a national credit card being used to prop up the market. No one is adding value to any publicly traded company. This must be so because very smart financial whizzes have been saying so since the market hit 18,500, which was about 67% ago! :lol:

(the reason I keep posting periodic updates about the market is not because I have nothing better to stare at, but because the market's rise inflames liberals to no end since it blasts holes in their TDS narrative; heck it might even go down some, who knows, maybe they'll be happy in the end; meanwhile I will stick with my friend's suggestion that the market is sure to hit 30,000 before it hits 15,000)

Anyway, have a great day!

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/06/07/stock-m ... -news.html
Grate......so all the folks you pretend to not stand, Bill Gates, jeff bezos, etc. are getting richer and richer. The google folks too.


Who says I don't like Gates and Bezos? I love those guys.
you are boring.........


I've been told much worse by far better.
better? at what?

Do you have any daughters?

Re: The Nation's Financial Condition

Posted: Mon Jun 08, 2020 1:52 pm
by CU88
No surprise here:

It's official: The Recession began in February.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/08/economy/ ... index.html


In July 2019, that expansion officially became the longest period of uninterrupted growth in US history dating back to 1854. It spanned 128 months, easily breaking the prior record of 120 months set between March 1991 and March 2001 during the dotcom boom.

Re: The Nation's Financial Condition

Posted: Mon Jun 08, 2020 1:58 pm
by runrussellrun
CU88 wrote: Mon Jun 08, 2020 1:52 pm No surprise here:

It's official: The Recession began in February.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/08/economy/ ... index.html


In July 2019, that expansion officially became the longest period of uninterrupted growth in US history dating back to 1854. It spanned 128 months, easily breaking the prior record of 120 months set between March 1991 and March 2001 during the dotcom boom.
I would say much earlier. Why?

DCR, Massachusettes Hunting & Fishing folks, last week sent a report with the "harvest" count. Record number of white tailed dear were taken last season. Most, also a record, by archers. Bow hunters. Count me in that group.

Why are deer harvest a sign of a recession? When you work, you don't have time to hunt. Lots of people had lots of time. No work.

Not a surprise that this springs turkey season was also a record. Haven't checked other states. But, wouldn't it also indicate plenty of out of work folks, if NY, PA, Texas, Tennessee, etc. all had record deer harvests last season. Think I will check.

Re: The Nation's Financial Condition

Posted: Mon Jun 08, 2020 2:06 pm
by Peter Brown
njbill wrote: Mon Jun 08, 2020 1:33 pm
Peter Brown wrote: Mon Jun 08, 2020 1:04 pm Who says I don't like . . . Bezos? I love those guys.
Be careful, Pete. They are going to kick you out of the Trump Club. No more Mar-a-Lago for you.


Trust me when I tell you that Mar a Lago isn't exactly my cup of tea.

Re: The Nation's Financial Condition

Posted: Mon Jun 08, 2020 3:06 pm
by Brooklyn
CU88 wrote: Mon Jun 08, 2020 1:52 pm No surprise here:

It's official: The Recession began in February.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/08/economy/ ... index.html


In July 2019, that expansion officially became the longest period of uninterrupted growth in US history dating back to 1854. It spanned 128 months, easily breaking the prior record of 120 months set between March 1991 and March 2001 during the dotcom boom.



Blame Obama!

Re: The Nation's Financial Condition

Posted: Mon Jun 08, 2020 3:41 pm
by CU88
More layoffs coming.

BP to lay off 10,000 workers after coronavirus-driven oil crash

https://www.houstonchronicle.com/busine ... 324144.php

I just got off a business call, and we are expecting that after COVID-19 experience, at best companies will only bring "back" 80% of staff currently working from home.

Re: The Nation's Financial Condition

Posted: Mon Jun 08, 2020 6:15 pm
by Peter Brown
27,572

Re: The Nation's Financial Condition

Posted: Mon Jun 08, 2020 6:26 pm
by a fan
March 23rd: 18,591------ Before the first Trump bailouts were signed

That's where it was before the 1st of several big government bailouts to keep you from having to deal with free market forces.

So as we've been saying since you arrived at the Forum, Pete-----you're a big government liberal.

You're THRILLED with the results of handouts, bailouts, and tax breaks to bail out Wall Street yet again. Which is fine, of course. But you've been lying to us about your preference for free markets and small government this entire time.

Re: The Nation's Financial Condition

Posted: Mon Jun 08, 2020 7:09 pm
by Bart
runrussellrun wrote: Mon Jun 08, 2020 1:58 pm
CU88 wrote: Mon Jun 08, 2020 1:52 pm No surprise here:

It's official: The Recession began in February.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/08/economy/ ... index.html


In July 2019, that expansion officially became the longest period of uninterrupted growth in US history dating back to 1854. It spanned 128 months, easily breaking the prior record of 120 months set between March 1991 and March 2001 during the dotcom boom.
I would say much earlier. Why?

DCR, Massachusettes Hunting & Fishing folks, last week sent a report with the "harvest" count. Record number of white tailed dear were taken last season. Most, also a record, by archers. Bow hunters. Count me in that group.

Why are deer harvest a sign of a recession? When you work, you don't have time to hunt. Lots of people had lots of time. No work.

Not a surprise that this springs turkey season was also a record. Haven't checked other states. But, wouldn't it also indicate plenty of out of work folks, if NY, PA, Texas, Tennessee, etc. all had record deer harvests last season. Think I will check.
NYS total take was over 224k. Down 1.6% from last year but above the 5 year average of around 217k.

Weather during late regular season stunk around my back yard

Re: The Nation's Financial Condition

Posted: Tue Jun 09, 2020 8:25 am
by Peter Brown
The equity market is telling you the economic recovery will be far more vigorous than consensus expects.

The market is always correct. Even on down days.

Re: The Nation's Financial Condition

Posted: Tue Jun 09, 2020 10:16 am
by CU88
U.S. Budget Deficit Nearly $2 Trillion For Fiscal Year

The U.S. deficit for the fiscal year nears $2 trillion, as federal revenues decreased, and government spending increased due to the coronavirus-induced economic downturn. The Congressional Budget Office (CBO) reported that in May, the federal deficit increased to $424 billion, double that of 2019. Federal spending surged 53 percent last month to $598 billion due to the federal stimulus response to the pandemic. In parallel, revenues decreased 25 percent from last year to $175 billion due to a decline in jobs, wages, and economic activity. The CBO said the deficit "increase stems from the economic disruption caused by the 2020 coronavirus pandemic and from the federal government's response to it" (WSJ, FOX Business).

Re: The Nation's Financial Condition

Posted: Tue Jun 09, 2020 10:25 am
by CU88
Even after TRILLIONS of Fed Stimulus we are in Trumps Recession:

https://www.nber.org/cycles/june2020.html


Determination of the February 2020 Peak in US Economic Activity


Cambridge, June 8, 2020 - The Business Cycle Dating Committee of the National Bureau of Economic Research maintains a chronology of the peaks and troughs of U.S. business cycles. The committee has determined that a peak in monthly economic activity occurred in the U.S. economy in February 2020. The peak marks the end of the expansion that began in June 2009 and the beginning of a recession. The expansion lasted 128 months, the longest in the history of U.S. business cycles dating back to 1854. The previous record was held by the business expansion that lasted for 120 months from March 1991 to March 2001.

The committee also determined that a peak in quarterly economic activity occurred in 2019Q4. Note that the monthly peak (February 2020) occurred in a different quarter (2020Q1) than the quarterly peak. The committee determined these peak dates in accord with its long-standing policy of identifying the months and quarters of peak activity separately, without requiring that the monthly peak lie in the same quarter as the quarterly peak. Further comments on the difference between the quarterly and monthly dates are provided below.

A recession is a significant decline in economic activity spread across the economy, normally visible in production, employment, and other indicators. A recession begins when the economy reaches a peak of economic activity and ends when the economy reaches its trough. Between trough and peak, the economy is in an expansion.

Because a recession is a broad contraction of the economy, not confined to one sector, the committee emphasizes economy-wide indicators of economic activity. The committee believes that domestic production and employment are the primary conceptual measures of economic activity.

The Month of the Peak
In determining the date of the monthly peak, the committee considers a number of indicators of employment and production. The committee normally views the payroll employment measure, which is based on a large survey of employers, as the most reliable comprehensive estimate of employment. This series reached a clear peak in February. The committee recognized that this survey was affected by special circumstances associated with the pandemic of early 2020. In the survey, individuals who are paid but not at work are counted as employed, even though they are not in fact working or producing. Workers on paid furlough, who became more numerous during the pandemic, thus resulted in an overcount of people working in recent months. Accordingly, the committee also considered the employment measure from the Bureau of Labor Statistics household survey, which excludes individuals who are paid but on furlough. This series plateaued from December 2019 through February 2020, and then fell steeply from February to March. Because both series measure employment during the week or pay period containing the 12th of the month, they understate the collapse of employment during the second half of March, as indicated by unprecedented levels of new claims for unemployment insurance. The committee concluded that both employment series were thus consistent with a business cycle peak in February.

The committee believes that the two most reliable comprehensive estimates of aggregate production are the quarterly estimates of real Gross Domestic Product (GDP) and of real Gross Domestic Income (GDI), both produced by the Bureau of Economic Analysis (BEA). These measures estimate production that occurred over an entire quarter and are not available monthly. The most comprehensive monthly measure of aggregate expenditures, which includes roughly 70 percent of real GDP, is monthly real personal consumption expenditures (PCE), published by the BEA. This series reached a clear peak in February 2020. The most comprehensive monthly measure of aggregate real income is real personal income less transfers, from the BEA. The deduction of transfers is necessary because transfers are included in personal income but do not arise from production. This measure also reached a well-defined peak in February 2020.

The Quarter of the Peak
In dating the quarterly peak, the committee relies on real GDP and real GDI as published by the BEA, and on quarterly averages of key monthly indicators. Quarterly real GDP and real GDI peaked in 2019Q4.

The quarterly average of employment as measured by the payroll series rose from 2019Q4 to 2020Q1. However, the committee concluded that the special factor noted above implies that the series should not play a significant role in determining the quarterly peak. The quarterly average as measured by the household survey reached a clear peak in 2019Q4. The committee concluded that like GDP and GDI, the number of people working also reached its quarterly peak in 2019Q4.

The fact that the monthly peak of February occurred in the middle of 2020Q1 while the quarterly peak occurred in 2019Q4 reflects the unusual nature of this recession. The economy contracted so sharply in March (the final month of the quarter) that in 2020Q1, GDP, GDI, and employment were significantly below their levels of 2019Q4.

Further Comments
The usual definition of a recession involves “a decline in economic activity that lasts more than a few months.” However, in deciding whether to identify a recession, the committee weighs the depth of the contraction, its duration, and whether economic activity declined broadly across the economy (the diffusion of the downturn). The committee recognizes that the pandemic and the public health response have resulted in a downturn with different characteristics and dynamics than prior recessions. Nonetheless, it concluded that the unprecedented magnitude of the decline in employment and production, and its broad reach across the entire economy, warrants the designation of this episode as a recession, even if it turns out to be briefer than earlier contractions.

Committee members participating in the decision were: Robert Hall, Stanford University (chair); Robert Gordon, Northwestern University; James Poterba, MIT and NBER President; Valerie Ramey, University of California, San Diego; Christina Romer, University of California, Berkeley; David Romer, University of California, Berkeley; James Stock, Harvard University; Mark Watson, Princeton University.

Re: The Nation's Financial Condition

Posted: Tue Jun 09, 2020 10:53 am
by holmes435

Re: The Nation's Financial Condition

Posted: Tue Jun 09, 2020 11:27 am
by RedFromMI