kramerica.inc wrote: ↑Mon Jan 18, 2021 3:43 pm
A "perceived" better opportunity. By Milliman. But you really never know what kind of job you're getting into until you get there.
And no one knows exactly what Milliman's situation was at Cornell or the politics and relationships there. Or IF pay and prestige were his personal driving factors. As a coach he is more of an unknown than a proven commodity. But certainly has some potential.
Petro, a "lax guy" already already espoused some questions about the new direction and vision of Hopkins lacrosse. So there's that to consider.
I'd believe it's better to get the "trickle down" at a school like OSU or UMD that really values athletics as a whole, rather than be the outlier D1 team at a school that overall runs a small-time D3 athletics department and has a D3 mentality.
And I'd also argue that JHU undergrad (or masters program) while a fine institution, is not of international renown. The medical school is.
I'm not a Hopkins fan, but if it's so much better to get the "trickle down" at Ohio State - leaving Maryland out bc Maryland and Ohio State are totally different situations - why isn't Ohio State....better than Hopkins? They're 4 games worse in B1G play from 2015-19, made 3 less NCAA Tournaments. Why do they recruit at a lower level if they've got more $ and better facilities? Is Nick Myers a bad coach? Because that's what I'd be led to believe if Ohio State is such a better situation than Hopkins.
Also, I don't know Milliman personally but I imagine his considerations were similar to Bill Tierney, Jeff Tambroni, John Tillman, Lars Tiffany, and Brian Voelker's. All head coaches who left the Ivy League for other head coaching jobs in the last 10 years. three of those who left head coaching jobs in the Ivy League at programs with more history and tradition than the ones they were at. Cornell has literally never hired a sitting HC at that time and has only ever hired 1 coach with prior HC experience - it was Matt Kerwick.
Fair enough. I've definitely heard that assessment of Myers and that he doesn't develop talent as well as others. But I haven't watched them closely enough to confirm or deny that or say that they are recruiting at a lower level.
But as a coach in Baltimore, I can tell you there's simply not as much panache to the Hopkins name anymore. Its why they have struggled with recruiting in the past decade. The kids in HS don't remember a time when Hopkins was really good. Their history keeps getting further and further in the rear view mirror.
Hopkins had like a Top 5 recruiting class this year. They still recruit plenty well. Their problem was they stopped DEVELOPING talent. Which is why the coach got fired
kramerica.inc wrote: ↑Mon Jan 18, 2021 3:43 pm
A "perceived" better opportunity. By Milliman. But you really never know what kind of job you're getting into until you get there.
And no one knows exactly what Milliman's situation was at Cornell or the politics and relationships there. Or IF pay and prestige were his personal driving factors. As a coach he is more of an unknown than a proven commodity. But certainly has some potential.
Petro, a "lax guy" already already espoused some questions about the new direction and vision of Hopkins lacrosse. So there's that to consider.
I'd believe it's better to get the "trickle down" at a school like OSU or UMD that really values athletics as a whole, rather than be the outlier D1 team at a school that overall runs a small-time D3 athletics department and has a D3 mentality.
And I'd also argue that JHU undergrad (or masters program) while a fine institution, is not of international renown. The medical school is.
I'm not a Hopkins fan, but if it's so much better to get the "trickle down" at Ohio State - leaving Maryland out bc Maryland and Ohio State are totally different situations - why isn't Ohio State....better than Hopkins? They're 4 games worse in B1G play from 2015-19, made 3 less NCAA Tournaments. Why do they recruit at a lower level if they've got more $ and better facilities? Is Nick Myers a bad coach? Because that's what I'd be led to believe if Ohio State is such a better situation than Hopkins.
Also, I don't know Milliman personally but I imagine his considerations were similar to Bill Tierney, Jeff Tambroni, John Tillman, Lars Tiffany, and Brian Voelker's. All head coaches who left the Ivy League for other head coaching jobs in the last 10 years. three of those who left head coaching jobs in the Ivy League at programs with more history and tradition than the ones they were at. Cornell has literally never hired a sitting HC at that time and has only ever hired 1 coach with prior HC experience - it was Matt Kerwick.
Fair enough. I've definitely heard that assessment of Myers and that he doesn't develop talent as well as others. But I haven't watched them closely enough to confirm or deny that or say that they are recruiting at a lower level.
But as a coach in Baltimore, I can tell you there's simply not as much panache to the Hopkins name anymore. Its why they have struggled with recruiting in the past decade. The kids in HS don't remember a time when Hopkins was really good. Their history keeps getting further and further in the rear view mirror.
Hopkins had like a Top 5 recruiting class this year. They still recruit plenty well. Their problem was they stopped DEVELOPING talent. Which is why the coach got fired
Do not overlook the early recruiting that failed. Did he broker deals with admissions and gambled on those kids of HS grad year 2016/2017....it did not pan out. And yes, not developing can certainly be part of that.
kramerica.inc wrote: ↑Mon Jan 18, 2021 3:43 pm
A "perceived" better opportunity. By Milliman. But you really never know what kind of job you're getting into until you get there.
And no one knows exactly what Milliman's situation was at Cornell or the politics and relationships there. Or IF pay and prestige were his personal driving factors. As a coach he is more of an unknown than a proven commodity. But certainly has some potential.
Petro, a "lax guy" already already espoused some questions about the new direction and vision of Hopkins lacrosse. So there's that to consider.
I'd believe it's better to get the "trickle down" at a school like OSU or UMD that really values athletics as a whole, rather than be the outlier D1 team at a school that overall runs a small-time D3 athletics department and has a D3 mentality.
And I'd also argue that JHU undergrad (or masters program) while a fine institution, is not of international renown. The medical school is.
I'm not a Hopkins fan, but if it's so much better to get the "trickle down" at Ohio State - leaving Maryland out bc Maryland and Ohio State are totally different situations - why isn't Ohio State....better than Hopkins? They're 4 games worse in B1G play from 2015-19, made 3 less NCAA Tournaments. Why do they recruit at a lower level if they've got more $ and better facilities? Is Nick Myers a bad coach? Because that's what I'd be led to believe if Ohio State is such a better situation than Hopkins.
Also, I don't know Milliman personally but I imagine his considerations were similar to Bill Tierney, Jeff Tambroni, John Tillman, Lars Tiffany, and Brian Voelker's. All head coaches who left the Ivy League for other head coaching jobs in the last 10 years. three of those who left head coaching jobs in the Ivy League at programs with more history and tradition than the ones they were at. Cornell has literally never hired a sitting HC at that time and has only ever hired 1 coach with prior HC experience - it was Matt Kerwick.
Fair enough. I've definitely heard that assessment of Myers and that he doesn't develop talent as well as others. But I haven't watched them closely enough to confirm or deny that or say that they are recruiting at a lower level.
But as a coach in Baltimore, I can tell you there's simply not as much panache to the Hopkins name anymore. Its why they have struggled with recruiting in the past decade. The kids in HS don't remember a time when Hopkins was really good. Their history keeps getting further and further in the rear view mirror.
Hopkins had like a Top 5 recruiting class this year. They still recruit plenty well. Their problem was they stopped DEVELOPING talent. Which is why the coach got fired
You believe hs recruiting rankings? You believe the problem was nurture not nature?
Re: Johns Hopkins 2021
Posted: Mon Jan 18, 2021 7:44 pm
by HopFan16
I feel like this has been discussed many times but you don't need to buy into the accuracy of HS recruiting rankings to understand that Petro was getting more than his fair share of the most sought-after kids. So maybe the conventional wisdom about those guys was wrong a lot of the time but Hopkins was still getting kids that Maryland, UVA, UNC, the Ivies, etc. also would have loved to have. So, yes, from that standpoint he "recruited" well. That many of those kids wound up not living up to expectations doesn't change the fact that they had their pick of schools, and picked Hopkins.
Kram—though I didn't necessarily agree I thought you brought up a relevant point about resources (especially this year...it's going to matter) but now you've pivoted to recruiting and trying to (inaccurately) critique the global standing of the university so it kinda just seems like at this point you're trolling and attacking things at random. But, hey, at least we're talking lacrosse.
kramerica.inc wrote: ↑Mon Jan 18, 2021 3:43 pm
A "perceived" better opportunity. By Milliman. But you really never know what kind of job you're getting into until you get there.
And no one knows exactly what Milliman's situation was at Cornell or the politics and relationships there. Or IF pay and prestige were his personal driving factors. As a coach he is more of an unknown than a proven commodity. But certainly has some potential.
Petro, a "lax guy" already already espoused some questions about the new direction and vision of Hopkins lacrosse. So there's that to consider.
I'd believe it's better to get the "trickle down" at a school like OSU or UMD that really values athletics as a whole, rather than be the outlier D1 team at a school that overall runs a small-time D3 athletics department and has a D3 mentality.
And I'd also argue that JHU undergrad (or masters program) while a fine institution, is not of international renown. The medical school is.
I'm not a Hopkins fan, but if it's so much better to get the "trickle down" at Ohio State - leaving Maryland out bc Maryland and Ohio State are totally different situations - why isn't Ohio State....better than Hopkins? They're 4 games worse in B1G play from 2015-19, made 3 less NCAA Tournaments. Why do they recruit at a lower level if they've got more $ and better facilities? Is Nick Myers a bad coach? Because that's what I'd be led to believe if Ohio State is such a better situation than Hopkins.
Also, I don't know Milliman personally but I imagine his considerations were similar to Bill Tierney, Jeff Tambroni, John Tillman, Lars Tiffany, and Brian Voelker's. All head coaches who left the Ivy League for other head coaching jobs in the last 10 years. three of those who left head coaching jobs in the Ivy League at programs with more history and tradition than the ones they were at. Cornell has literally never hired a sitting HC at that time and has only ever hired 1 coach with prior HC experience - it was Matt Kerwick.
Fair enough. I've definitely heard that assessment of Myers and that he doesn't develop talent as well as others. But I haven't watched them closely enough to confirm or deny that or say that they are recruiting at a lower level.
But as a coach in Baltimore, I can tell you there's simply not as much panache to the Hopkins name anymore. Its why they have struggled with recruiting in the past decade. The kids in HS don't remember a time when Hopkins was really good. Their history keeps getting further and further in the rear view mirror.
Hopkins had like a Top 5 recruiting class this year. They still recruit plenty well. Their problem was they stopped DEVELOPING talent. Which is why the coach got fired
they were smurfs in the middle of the field. and if you went to a game in the last # of years, the difference in athleticism was striking. you don't develop size and athleticism. finding another
quinn or schwartzman would help also.
Re: Johns Hopkins 2021
Posted: Mon Jan 18, 2021 10:29 pm
by Hoponboard
I won’t mind attending games at Homewood, socially distanced from my fellow Fanlax posters. I’m so desperate to attend a lacrosse game that I will sit on the OTHER side of the field.
Re: Johns Hopkins 2021
Posted: Mon Jan 18, 2021 10:37 pm
by jhu06
Hoponboard wrote: ↑Mon Jan 18, 2021 10:29 pm
I won’t mind attending games at Homewood, socially distanced from my fellow Fanlax posters. I’m so desperate to attend a lacrosse game that I will sit on the OTHER side of the field.
If there are no fans for season inn at the colonade should work out a deal w/school for day of game rooms w/views of homewood field. bring your own booze, monitor, and binnoculars.
Re: Johns Hopkins 2021
Posted: Mon Jan 18, 2021 11:18 pm
by WOMBAT, Mod Emeritus
And CANNON.
Re: Johns Hopkins 2021
Posted: Tue Jan 19, 2021 1:42 am
by kramerica.inc
HopFan16 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 18, 2021 7:44 pm
I feel like this has been discussed many times but you don't need to buy into the accuracy of HS recruiting rankings to understand that Petro was getting more than his fair share of the most sought-after kids. So maybe the conventional wisdom about those guys was wrong a lot of the time but Hopkins was still getting kids that Maryland, UVA, UNC, the Ivies, etc. also would have loved to have. So, yes, from that standpoint he "recruited" well. That many of those kids wound up not living up to expectations doesn't change the fact that they had their pick of schools, and picked Hopkins.
Kram—though I didn't necessarily agree I thought you brought up a relevant point about resources (especially this year...it's going to matter) but now you've pivoted to recruiting and trying to (inaccurately) critique the global standing of the university so it kinda just seems like at this point you're trolling and attacking things at random. But, hey, at least we're talking lacrosse.
I'm a fan of D3 sports and D3 lacrosse in particular. Quite familiar with Hopkins, the other Centennial schools, ODAC etc. And also quite familiar with many of the B1G and ACC schools. Been on and inside a lot of campuses over the past decade. IMO there is simply no comparison between any somewhat large D1 schools and Hopkins. Hopkins is just like every other D3 Centennial Conference school except they have a very nice lax building.
But here's the problem for Hopkins. Send a h/s kid through Homewood and the athletic offices on a normal Friday afternoon in the fall (When college recruiting tours occur). There's not much after the Cordish part of the tour. Then have a kid walk the same time through the OSU or UMD, or U Mich or even Rutger's athletic offices. There's a HUUGE difference. What message does that send a kid and recruit? Resources is a real issue.
Then there's simply the image of Hopkins. You Hopkins guys are rightfully proud of your history. But I'm currently coaching a bunch of MIAA kids and this generation of kids don't know about the Hopkins dominance or see them the same way many of you do. A few of their dads and grandfathers do. But it's just not the same. Hate to break it to you, but Hopkins doesn't have a great rep right now among the kids. The brand is stale and JHU is seen as "old school" lacrosse. What is JHU known for right now? A fun run and gun offense? Great suffocating defenses? Being a goalie school? Being a LSM factory? Having a dedicated coaching staff? Developing diamonds in the rough into great players? Outperforming expectations? Being a deadly NCAA tourney team?
I'd say none of the above, and that's what kids are looking for- an identity or something to hang their hat on in recruiting. You currently have a new crop of kids that sees UMD, Duke, UVA, Cuse and Yale as the bluechip schools. Then the rest are looking for the "next" and those things I mentioned and playing at schools that offer those things like Denver, Loyola, ND, OSU, Villlanova and Richmond.
And what comes first- the players or the wins? That is the challenge ahead for Milliman.
Re: Johns Hopkins 2021
Posted: Tue Jan 19, 2021 8:42 am
by 51percentcorn
I am not sure what we are arguing about. There is no debate on toys - if a recruit is either looking for big time college sports/unbelievable atheltic resources or 10,000+ women to chase around then he is probably not going to choose Hopkins. That has become a bigger challenge for Hopkins ever since the sport really expanded beyond the Hopkins/Syracuse/Virginia/Maryland/Cornell/UNC/Princeton universe.
But still, if you take your college lacrosse very seriously and you want to play on Memorial Day - how many programs are you seriously considering or could you really consider? There are the 5 ACC schools, the 5 other BiG schools, 5 Ivies (sorry Dartmouth), Loyola obviously, Denver, Georgetown, I think the service academies are different but you are probably around 20 or thereabouts - using the magic number of 23 (the number of kids for one team that get to play in a competitive game) that's 460 kids over 4 years - 120 per class. With a full boat of 12.6 and the benefits of a Hopkins education, you should be able to field a very competitive team. The facilities don't suck, there are plenty of schools within shouting distance to meet women - which is what the lacrosse team has done for ages - Baltimore has 2 pro sports teams and despite the reputation of the city right now there are still alot of fun things to do (non COVID). You're also 40 miles from Washington DC and 4 other pro sports teams. And, if you haven't noticed, pro lacrosse hasn't exactly taken the world by storm so 99.99% of these kids should be thinking about what's on the blackboard even more than the whiteboard.
I know I've said this ad nauseum but Petro made a deal with the devil in early recruiting and the bills came due. Almost every single defintive problem that you could point to - huge roster sizes/incredibly puzzling roster construction (16 or whatever attackmen, no real midfielders all converted attackmen, 18 defensemen one year 8 the next - these are likely exaggerations to make a point)/having an undersized team etc. etc. can be directed towards that issue. In addition, you can hazard a guess that things like development and other more qualitative issues were affected as well - hard to spend time with Johnny on his decision making when you have Timmy/Tommy/Davie and 7 others standing there waiting to do something.
Re: Johns Hopkins 2021
Posted: Tue Jan 19, 2021 8:48 am
by HopFan16
kramerica.inc wrote: ↑Tue Jan 19, 2021 1:42 am
Hopkins is just like every other D3 Centennial Conference school except they have a very nice lax building.
Don't you think the very nice lax building might matter to some lax recruits?
kramerica.inc wrote: ↑Tue Jan 19, 2021 1:42 amBut here's the problem for Hopkins. Send a h/s kid through Homewood and the athletic offices on a normal Friday afternoon in the fall (When college recruiting tours occur). There's not much after the Cordish part of the tour. Then have a kid walk the same time through the OSU or UMD, or U Mich or even Rutger's athletic offices. There's a HUUGE difference. What message does that send a kid and recruit? Resources is a real issue.
We're talking about athletic offices now? Do kids care about those? The great athletic offices at Rutgers haven't really seemed to help them. In fact they've struggled to recruit most of the top players in their own state. You know what might help? The brand new lacrosse facility they just unveiled. THAT might turn their recruiting around.
kramerica.inc wrote: ↑Tue Jan 19, 2021 1:42 amThen there's simply the image of Hopkins. You Hopkins guys are rightfully proud of your history. But I'm currently coaching a bunch of MIAA kids and this generation of kids don't know about the Hopkins dominance or see them the same way many of you do. A few of their dads and grandfathers do. But it's just not the same. Hate to break it to you, but Hopkins doesn't have a great rep right now among the kids.
Interesting, have you spoken to MIAA kid Brendan Grimes about why he switched his commitment from Ohio State to Hopkins?
No one is going to argue that the Hopkins "brand" isn't as strong today as it was 20 or even 10 years ago but the tradition, history, and place of lacrosse within the university do still have sway to recruits. Here is just one example from a 4-star in this most recent '22 recruiting class who played for the same club team as Joey Spallina:
When 12:01 a.m. came a couple of Tuesdays ago, Trepeta’s phone went crazy as text messages, emails and phone calls started rolling in to express interest in the Team 91 2022 Smash and Mount Sinai defenseman. It wasn’t a surprise that the No. 18 prospect in the country according to the NLF rankings and a four-star recruit per Inside Lacrosse was in high demand. Still, Trepeta never expected the sheer volume.
One of those schools stood out more than most, though. Johns Hopkins, one of the sport’s blue blood programs and one of the best academic schools in Division I lacrosse, caught the academically-minded Trepeta’s eye right off the bat. When he got to campus, he got that feeling where he knew it was probably going to be the place where he’d end up.
“When I stepped on campus, I just felt it right away,” Trepeta said. “The campus was beautiful, and I was looking for academics along with lacrosse. It’s a top-10 academic school and Hopkins is the original great program. When I saw Homewood Field, I knew that I wanted to be a part of their tradition.”
Hopkins has its disadvantages in the recruiting game but this entire line of argument is as stale as you claim the Hopkins name is. It's just flat out not true and seems entirely based on anecdotal evidence or apparently your personal impressions of office buildings. Some kids want to be a big lax fish in a small pond, rather than a small fish in a very big pond.
If you want a huge party school with other D1 sports and the chance to spot a future NFL player in the cafeteria, then obviously you don't go to Hopkins, you go to Ohio State. The downside to that is, nobody cares that you play lacrosse there and the stands are gonna be pretty empty even when your team is good. Meanwhile, at Hopkins, despite the team being bad last season, they were still 6th in the country in average attendance (nearly twice as many as Ohio State and more than 2x that of Rutgers). Hop was 3rd in 2019, again, despite not having a great team.
You see where I'm going here? Advantages and disadvantages. If you want to go to a school that will make you, as a lacrosse player, feel like you matter, and that people care about the program, you'll probably consider Hopkins. Lots of kids prefer a smaller school environment anyway. And if you do then Hopkins is one of a very, very few small, top-tier academic schools with excellent lacrosse facilities.
Re: Johns Hopkins 2021
Posted: Tue Jan 19, 2021 9:03 am
by sanelaxparent
One point that hasn't been mentioned here about why JHU is not a draw. Have brought all three of my lacrosse playing children to many club events in and around Baltimore for years.....JHU neighborhood turns from ok to sketchy really quickly and Baltimore has had more than its share of problems in the past 2 years with violence, crime, riots etc. They've all been on plenty of college campuses too, and JHU just doesn't have the cohesiveness that you get from other places - especially non-urban campuses. The student body and the athletes look like they don't mix at all. For top 25 recruits, boys or girls, unless you already had a draw to JHU it doesn't tick a lot of boxes in terms of student life, safety, having a larger friend group of athletes etc.
kramerica.inc wrote: ↑Mon Jan 18, 2021 3:43 pm
A "perceived" better opportunity. By Milliman. But you really never know what kind of job you're getting into until you get there.
And no one knows exactly what Milliman's situation was at Cornell or the politics and relationships there. Or IF pay and prestige were his personal driving factors. As a coach he is more of an unknown than a proven commodity. But certainly has some potential.
Petro, a "lax guy" already already espoused some questions about the new direction and vision of Hopkins lacrosse. So there's that to consider.
I'd believe it's better to get the "trickle down" at a school like OSU or UMD that really values athletics as a whole, rather than be the outlier D1 team at a school that overall runs a small-time D3 athletics department and has a D3 mentality.
And I'd also argue that JHU undergrad (or masters program) while a fine institution, is not of international renown. The medical school is.
I'm not a Hopkins fan, but if it's so much better to get the "trickle down" at Ohio State - leaving Maryland out bc Maryland and Ohio State are totally different situations - why isn't Ohio State....better than Hopkins? They're 4 games worse in B1G play from 2015-19, made 3 less NCAA Tournaments. Why do they recruit at a lower level if they've got more $ and better facilities? Is Nick Myers a bad coach? Because that's what I'd be led to believe if Ohio State is such a better situation than Hopkins.
Also, I don't know Milliman personally but I imagine his considerations were similar to Bill Tierney, Jeff Tambroni, John Tillman, Lars Tiffany, and Brian Voelker's. All head coaches who left the Ivy League for other head coaching jobs in the last 10 years. three of those who left head coaching jobs in the Ivy League at programs with more history and tradition than the ones they were at. Cornell has literally never hired a sitting HC at that time and has only ever hired 1 coach with prior HC experience - it was Matt Kerwick.
Fair enough. I've definitely heard that assessment of Myers and that he doesn't develop talent as well as others. But I haven't watched them closely enough to confirm or deny that or say that they are recruiting at a lower level.
But as a coach in Baltimore, I can tell you there's simply not as much panache to the Hopkins name anymore. Its why they have struggled with recruiting in the past decade. The kids in HS don't remember a time when Hopkins was really good. Their history keeps getting further and further in the rear view mirror.
Hopkins had like a Top 5 recruiting class this year. They still recruit plenty well. Their problem was they stopped DEVELOPING talent. Which is why the coach got fired
HopFan16 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 18, 2021 6:02 pm
Hope to see this connection a lot over the next few years:
Maybe they didn't develop that much because this is awful technique. Why the hell is the player driving right with the stick in his left hand. He is no threat to score in that position. Further, all that does is provide a better opportunity for a defender to check his stick and either dislodge the ball or, at a minimum slow his momentum down. That should be in his right hand and either a right handed pass back or switch over to left. It shouldn't be where it is in that video.
Re: Johns Hopkins 2021
Posted: Tue Jan 19, 2021 9:34 am
by steel_hop
sanelaxparent wrote: ↑Tue Jan 19, 2021 9:03 am
The student body and the athletes look like they don't mix at all.
Meh, that has been an issue since forever at Hopkins. Not sure that has had any real impact on what happened over the last decade.
Re: Johns Hopkins 2021
Posted: Tue Jan 19, 2021 10:13 am
by jrn19
sanelaxparent wrote: ↑Tue Jan 19, 2021 9:03 am
One point that hasn't been mentioned here about why JHU is not a draw. Have brought all three of my lacrosse playing children to many club events in and around Baltimore for years.....JHU neighborhood turns from ok to sketchy really quickly and Baltimore has had more than its share of problems in the past 2 years with violence, crime, riots etc. They've all been on plenty of college campuses too, and JHU just doesn't have the cohesiveness that you get from other places - especially non-urban campuses. The student body and the athletes look like they don't mix at all. For top 25 recruits, boys or girls, unless you already had a draw to JHU it doesn't tick a lot of boxes in terms of student life, safety, having a larger friend group of athletes etc.
Ah, a “Baltimore is violent and crime infested” take! Can always set your watch to that one. Definitely no coding going on there!
Re: Johns Hopkins 2021
Posted: Tue Jan 19, 2021 11:10 am
by sanelaxparent
No coding. Violence and crime in Baltimore are not a draw, especially for females and their parents.
kramerica.inc wrote: ↑Mon Jan 18, 2021 3:43 pm
A "perceived" better opportunity. By Milliman. But you really never know what kind of job you're getting into until you get there.
And no one knows exactly what Milliman's situation was at Cornell or the politics and relationships there. Or IF pay and prestige were his personal driving factors. As a coach he is more of an unknown than a proven commodity. But certainly has some potential.
Petro, a "lax guy" already already espoused some questions about the new direction and vision of Hopkins lacrosse. So there's that to consider.
I'd believe it's better to get the "trickle down" at a school like OSU or UMD that really values athletics as a whole, rather than be the outlier D1 team at a school that overall runs a small-time D3 athletics department and has a D3 mentality.
And I'd also argue that JHU undergrad (or masters program) while a fine institution, is not of international renown. The medical school is.
I'm not a Hopkins fan, but if it's so much better to get the "trickle down" at Ohio State - leaving Maryland out bc Maryland and Ohio State are totally different situations - why isn't Ohio State....better than Hopkins? They're 4 games worse in B1G play from 2015-19, made 3 less NCAA Tournaments. Why do they recruit at a lower level if they've got more $ and better facilities? Is Nick Myers a bad coach? Because that's what I'd be led to believe if Ohio State is such a better situation than Hopkins.
Also, I don't know Milliman personally but I imagine his considerations were similar to Bill Tierney, Jeff Tambroni, John Tillman, Lars Tiffany, and Brian Voelker's. All head coaches who left the Ivy League for other head coaching jobs in the last 10 years. three of those who left head coaching jobs in the Ivy League at programs with more history and tradition than the ones they were at. Cornell has literally never hired a sitting HC at that time and has only ever hired 1 coach with prior HC experience - it was Matt Kerwick.
Fair enough. I've definitely heard that assessment of Myers and that he doesn't develop talent as well as others. But I haven't watched them closely enough to confirm or deny that or say that they are recruiting at a lower level.
But as a coach in Baltimore, I can tell you there's simply not as much panache to the Hopkins name anymore. Its why they have struggled with recruiting in the past decade. The kids in HS don't remember a time when Hopkins was really good. Their history keeps getting further and further in the rear view mirror.
Hopkins had like a Top 5 recruiting class this year. They still recruit plenty well. Their problem was they stopped DEVELOPING talent. Which is why the coach got fired
HopFan16 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 18, 2021 6:02 pm
Hope to see this connection a lot over the next few years:
Maybe they didn't develop that much because this is awful technique. Why the hell is the player driving right with the stick in his left hand. He is no threat to score in that position. Further, all that does is provide a better opportunity for a defender to check his stick and either dislodge the ball or, at a minimum slow his momentum down. That should be in his right hand and either a right handed pass back or switch over to left. It shouldn't be where it is in that video.
Good observation , true . #9 is Grimes . ? drill itself. 2 on 1 basketball drill since that happens frequently in game but 3-2 drill in lax better serves what is seen and want to see.
Re: Johns Hopkins 2021
Posted: Tue Jan 19, 2021 11:26 am
by HopFan16
His stick is well protected from the defender. It looks like they're just setting up a 2-on-1 crossover box drill, starting at that blue cone. In a John Grant Jr. offense I'm willing to bet he doesn't much care what hand you cradle with as long as it's protected and you score goals with it. Joel Tinney scored an overtime winner against Loyola driving the right side that exact same way:
Criticizing a single practice clip, sans context, as evidence of some systemic issue is beyond stupid, especially when you consider this player is a freshman and the coaching staff is new and neither party has had anything to do with the last decade of play at Homewood. What point are you even trying to make?