HopFan16 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 17, 2021 2:52 pm
^Seems fair...if they play twice my money would be on the teams splitting the two games.
Alumni email from Milliman today:
- everyone is on campus and they're in the second week of small group practice
- schedule is not finalized, might include a few non-conference opponents but as expected it is a majority Big Ten schedule, more details expected late Jan/early Feb
- very likely no fans allowed at games but left the door open for that policy to change at some point during the season
- every game will either be broadcast or live streamed
- raised $18k from alums in most recent campaign
- reiterated he expects to compete for a national championship each season
if we were still an independent what would the schedule/season look like and how would this have been different?
Hopkins would be struggling to get on other teams schedules and games could be limited
Re: Johns Hopkins 2021
Posted: Sun Jan 17, 2021 9:06 pm
by wgdsr
HopFan16 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 17, 2021 2:52 pm
Alumni email from Milliman today:
- reiterated he expects to compete for a national championship each season
not a good look to be less than truthful on opening salvos.
progress and i'm sure he'll be forgiven.
good to see even the parallel ivies are out there on the pitch.
Re: Johns Hopkins 2021
Posted: Sun Jan 17, 2021 10:14 pm
by 51percentcorn
mocking jay wrote: ↑Sun Jan 17, 2021 4:38 pm
DeSimone was a midfielder in HS but was moved to attack his senior year. His natural position is midfield though he had a great senior year.
bananas wrote: ↑Sun Jan 17, 2021 1:34 pm
Understand RU and JHU will be playing home and aways. One poll has teams closely ranked toward bottom of top twenty .I do believe that both teams are improved but will only speak of RU ranking , think it should be higher relative to field and that they can make tourney . JHU thread is the most active read so gonna lightly ponder matchup with your team without any trash.
Attack, initially thought push because RU attack is a very good unit but gave slight edge to JHU due to Epstein. Remember him scoring 5 agaisnt us in 19". RU would appear to have a huge advantage at MF as they now field one of the best first lines with Kirst and also have greater depth. Think RU also has the advantage at ssdm. Defense has been consider average for both , initially gave edge to RU but say push since there are new faces ,new d coordinators and likely a new JHU goalie . Fogo and G are advantages for Hop which can negate advantages elsewhere. Looking forward to the games. Should be exciting and competitive games .Good luck on season.
Now if Hopkins can just play 8 more with RU, they have a great shot at being ncaa tourney eligible this year. If things break right for them.
bananas wrote: ↑Sun Jan 17, 2021 1:34 pm
Understand RU and JHU will be playing home and aways. One poll has teams closely ranked toward bottom of top twenty .I do believe that both teams are improved but will only speak of RU ranking , think it should be higher relative to field and that they can make tourney . JHU thread is the most active read so gonna lightly ponder matchup with your team without any trash.
Attack, initially thought push because RU attack is a very good unit but gave slight edge to JHU due to Epstein. Remember him scoring 5 agaisnt us in 19". RU would appear to have a huge advantage at MF as they now field one of the best first lines with Kirst and also have greater depth. Think RU also has the advantage at ssdm. Defense has been consider average for both , initially gave edge to RU but say push since there are new faces ,new d coordinators and likely a new JHU goalie . Fogo and G are advantages for Hop which can negate advantages elsewhere. Looking forward to the games. Should be exciting and competitive games .Good luck on season.
Now if Hopkins can just play 8 more with RU, they have a great shot at being ncaa tourney eligible this year. If things break right for them.
I'm sure 51 or 16 covered this 23423 posts ago but
Milliman at cornell vs hopkins regular common opponents https://cornellbigred.com/documents/202 ... e_2020.pdf
terps 0-1
osu 1-0
psu 2-1
princeton 1-1
cuse 2-1
towson 2-0
I didn't watch those games. I don't follow cornell. But aside from maryland, that's not bad.
Re: Johns Hopkins 2021
Posted: Mon Jan 18, 2021 2:00 am
by kramerica.inc
But Cornell has a D1 athletics program. With a D1 athletics support staff.
Different ball of wax at a mostly D3 school like Hopkins.
Re: Johns Hopkins 2021
Posted: Mon Jan 18, 2021 2:04 am
by jhu06
kramerica.inc wrote: ↑Mon Jan 18, 2021 2:00 am
But Cornell has a D1 athletics program. With a D1 athletics support staff.
Different ball of wax at a mostly D3 school like Hopkins.
Again I only know what I saw when I was there 15 years ago and that's Kyle Harrison using the same weight room as general students, practicing on the gym floor that regular students use for pickup hoops games, and winning a lot of games.
I'm surprised Millimans albeit brief but successful resume against traditional Hopkins rivals didn't come up in the stories on him yet but I guess as the season gets closer now that we're past the intro stories and into the lacrosse part we'll read more about what he's done against the tambronis and deskos he'll see for years going forward.
mocking jay wrote: ↑Sun Jan 17, 2021 4:38 pm
DeSimone was a midfielder in HS but was moved to attack his senior year. His natural position is midfield though he had a great senior year.
It will be interesting to see how this staff utilizes DeSimone and Zinn.
Wasn't DeSo MOP of the UA AA game?
I think Zinn was ranked #7 in his class by IL.
It's one thing to recruit them, but quite another to get the most out of them.
Re: Johns Hopkins 2021
Posted: Mon Jan 18, 2021 10:39 am
by HopFan16
kramerica.inc wrote: ↑Mon Jan 18, 2021 2:00 am
But Cornell has a D1 athletics program. With a D1 athletics support staff.
Different ball of wax at a mostly D3 school like Hopkins.
Super weird that Cornell's coach would decide to uproot his life and leave such a great situation with all those crucial support staff members to go to a D3 school like Hopkins where they have no resources or support and the D1 program is treated exactly like all the others. Very excited for the Hop women's fencing team to get their own $10 million private facility. Maybe they'll let the lax team use their weight room.
kramerica.inc wrote: ↑Mon Jan 18, 2021 2:00 am
But Cornell has a D1 athletics program. With a D1 athletics support staff.
Different ball of wax at a mostly D3 school like Hopkins.
Super weird that Cornell's coach would decide to uproot his life and leave such a great situation with all those crucial support staff members to go to a D3 school like Hopkins where they have no resources or support and the D1 program is treated exactly like all the others. Very excited for the Hop women's fencing team to get their own $10 million private facility. Maybe they'll let the lax team use their weight room.
Was it a great situation? Don’t know. Asking. People have lots of reasons for changing jobs. Better pay, better opportunity, closer to family, less daily pressure, disagreements with bosses/coworkers, perceived panache. Some times those things are true. Sometimes not. Many think of Petro as a real “Lax guy.” Yet he had disagreements on the direction of the JHu program. So that's a slight red flag. We shall see.
A $10M facility is awesome. But it’s relative chump change in big time conferences like the B1G. The owner of my company has given $1M to OSU every year for the past 3 years. Pledged for another 7. And he’s just one doner. That is what Hopkins, a D3 Centennial League athletic department is up against.
kramerica.inc wrote: ↑Mon Jan 18, 2021 2:00 am
But Cornell has a D1 athletics program. With a D1 athletics support staff.
Different ball of wax at a mostly D3 school like Hopkins.
Super weird that Cornell's coach would decide to uproot his life and leave such a great situation with all those crucial support staff members to go to a D3 school like Hopkins where they have no resources or support and the D1 program is treated exactly like all the others. Very excited for the Hop women's fencing team to get their own $10 million private facility. Maybe they'll let the lax team use their weight room.
Was it a great situation? Don’t know. Asking. People have lots of reasons for changing jobs. Better pay, better opportunity, closer to family, less daily pressure, disagreements with bosses/coworkers, perceived panache. Some times those things are true. Sometimes not. Many think of Petro as a real “Lax guy.” Yet he had disagreements on the direction of the JHu program. So that's a slight red flag. We shall see.
A $10M facility is awesome. But it’s relative chump change in big time conferences like the B1G. The owner of my company has given $1M to OSU every year for the past 3 years. Pledged for another 7. And he’s just one doner. That is what Hopkins, a D3 Centennial League athletic department is up against.
Is that money specifically designated for the lacrosse team? If so, very impressive, but why are they still playing home games in an empty Buckeye stadium then? And if it's not, then how much of that money is really trickling down to the lacrosse team?
Hop is 16-9 in the Big Ten since the conference formed. They've won the league twice. They seem to be doing a good job competing. Not as well as many alums here would like but objectively speaking they've been one of the better teams in the conference. Meanwhile how has Michigan fared with its massive budget?
I don't know why Milliman went from Cornell to Hopkins but if it's "better pay" or "better opportunity" then doesn't that say something about the program he's joining relative to the one he's leaving? It is true that Hopkins as an overall institution has a D3 infrastructure (albeit a very good one for D3) but the lacrosse team is a legitimate D1 operation, and does not lack for the funding, resources, support, sponsorships, etc. that a lacrosse team at an all-D1 school would expect. One could argue it's even better supported at a place like Hopkins because at Homewood lacrosse is a priority, whereas at some of these other schools it's an afterthought. Not having to compete with a big-time D1 football or basketball program has its advantages.
kramerica.inc wrote: ↑Mon Jan 18, 2021 2:00 am
But Cornell has a D1 athletics program. With a D1 athletics support staff.
Different ball of wax at a mostly D3 school like Hopkins.
Super weird that Cornell's coach would decide to uproot his life and leave such a great situation with all those crucial support staff members to go to a D3 school like Hopkins where they have no resources or support and the D1 program is treated exactly like all the others. Very excited for the Hop women's fencing team to get their own $10 million private facility. Maybe they'll let the lax team use their weight room.
Was it a great situation? Don’t know. Asking. People have lots of reasons for changing jobs. Better pay, better opportunity, closer to family, less daily pressure, disagreements with bosses/coworkers, perceived panache. Some times those things are true. Sometimes not. Many think of Petro as a real “Lax guy.” Yet he had disagreements on the direction of the JHu program. So that's a slight red flag. We shall see.
A $10M facility is awesome. But it’s relative chump change in big time conferences like the B1G. The owner of my company has given $1M to OSU every year for the past 3 years. Pledged for another 7. And he’s just one doner. That is what Hopkins, a D3 Centennial League athletic department is up against.
That’s nice, but where does men’s lacrosse rank in the hierarchy of Ohio State sports? Is it even in the top ten? Do most students at Ohio State even know the school has a lacrosse team?
Johns Hopkins is the most successful lacrosse program in the history of the sport ... and it’s not even close. Most wins, most national championships (44), most All-Americans, and most Hall of Famers. It will always be the uncontested top sport at Johns Hopkins, which also happens to be an academic institution of international renown.
THAT is what every other lacrosse program in America has to contend with.
DocBarrister
Re: Johns Hopkins 2021
Posted: Mon Jan 18, 2021 3:43 pm
by kramerica.inc
A "perceived" better opportunity. By Milliman. But you really never know what kind of job you're getting into until you get there.
And no one knows exactly what Milliman's situation was at Cornell or the politics and relationships there. Or IF pay and prestige were his personal driving factors. As a coach he is more of an unknown than a proven commodity. But certainly has some potential.
Petro, a "lax guy" already already espoused some questions about the new direction and vision of Hopkins lacrosse. So there's that to consider.
I'd believe it's better to get the "trickle down" at a school like OSU or UMD that really values athletics as a whole, rather than be the outlier D1 team at a school that overall runs a small-time D3 athletics department and has a D3 mentality.
And I'd also argue that JHU undergrad (or masters program) while a fine institution, is not of international renown. The medical school is.
Re: Johns Hopkins 2021
Posted: Mon Jan 18, 2021 4:03 pm
by jhu06
kramerica.inc wrote: ↑Mon Jan 18, 2021 3:43 pm
A "perceived" better opportunity. By Milliman. But you really never know what kind of job you're getting into until you get there.
And no one knows exactly what Milliman's situation was at Cornell or the politics and relationships there. Or IF pay and prestige were his personal driving factors. As a coach he is more of an unknown than a proven commodity. But certainly has some potential.
Petro, a "lax guy" already already espoused some questions about the new direction and vision of Hopkins lacrosse. So there's that to consider.
I'd believe it's better to get the "trickle down" at a school like OSU or UMD that really values athletics as a whole, rather than be the outlier D1 team at a school that overall runs a small-time D3 athletics department and has a D3 mentality.
And I'd also argue that JHU undergrad (or masters program) while a fine institution, is not of international renown. The medical school is.
-will the cheerleaders and band be virtual for home games?
Re: Johns Hopkins 2021
Posted: Mon Jan 18, 2021 4:07 pm
by jrn19
kramerica.inc wrote: ↑Mon Jan 18, 2021 3:43 pm
A "perceived" better opportunity. By Milliman. But you really never know what kind of job you're getting into until you get there.
And no one knows exactly what Milliman's situation was at Cornell or the politics and relationships there. Or IF pay and prestige were his personal driving factors. As a coach he is more of an unknown than a proven commodity. But certainly has some potential.
Petro, a "lax guy" already already espoused some questions about the new direction and vision of Hopkins lacrosse. So there's that to consider.
I'd believe it's better to get the "trickle down" at a school like OSU or UMD that really values athletics as a whole, rather than be the outlier D1 team at a school that overall runs a small-time D3 athletics department and has a D3 mentality.
And I'd also argue that JHU undergrad (or masters program) while a fine institution, is not of international renown. The medical school is.
I'm not a Hopkins fan, but if it's so much better to get the "trickle down" at Ohio State - leaving Maryland out bc Maryland and Ohio State are totally different situations - why isn't Ohio State....better than Hopkins? They're 4 games worse in B1G play from 2015-19, made 3 less NCAA Tournaments. Why do they recruit at a lower level if they've got more $ and better facilities? Is Nick Myers a bad coach? Because that's what I'd be led to believe if Ohio State is such a better situation than Hopkins.
Also, I don't know Milliman personally but I imagine his considerations were similar to Bill Tierney, Jeff Tambroni, John Tillman, Lars Tiffany, and Brian Voelker's. All head coaches who left the Ivy League for other head coaching jobs in the last 10 years. three of those who left head coaching jobs in the Ivy League at programs with more history and tradition than the ones they were at. Cornell has literally never hired a sitting HC at that time and has only ever hired 1 coach with prior HC experience - it was Matt Kerwick.
Re: Johns Hopkins 2021
Posted: Mon Jan 18, 2021 4:08 pm
by Big Dog
kramerica.inc wrote: ↑Mon Jan 18, 2021 3:43 pm
A "perceived" better opportunity. By Milliman. But you really never know what kind of job you're getting into until you get there.
And no one knows exactly what Milliman's situation was at Cornell or the politics and relationships there. Or IF pay and prestige were his personal driving factors. As a coach he is more of an unknown than a proven commodity. But certainly has some potential.
Petro, a "lax guy" already already espoused some questions about the new direction and vision of Hopkins lacrosse. So there's that to consider.
I'd believe it's better to get the "trickle down" at a school like OSU or UMD that really values athletics as a whole, rather than be the outlier D1 team at a school that overall runs a small-time D3 athletics department and has a D3 mentality.
And I'd also argue that JHU undergrad (or masters program) while a fine institution, is not of international renown. The medical school is.
small nit: the School of Public Health also has international renown.
kramerica.inc wrote: ↑Mon Jan 18, 2021 3:43 pm
A "perceived" better opportunity. By Milliman. But you really never know what kind of job you're getting into until you get there.
And no one knows exactly what Milliman's situation was at Cornell or the politics and relationships there. Or IF pay and prestige were his personal driving factors. As a coach he is more of an unknown than a proven commodity. But certainly has some potential.
Petro, a "lax guy" already already espoused some questions about the new direction and vision of Hopkins lacrosse. So there's that to consider.
I'd believe it's better to get the "trickle down" at a school like OSU or UMD that really values athletics as a whole, rather than be the outlier D1 team at a school that overall runs a small-time D3 athletics department and has a D3 mentality.
And I'd also argue that JHU undergrad (or masters program) while a fine institution, is not of international renown. The medical school is.
I'm not a Hopkins fan, but if it's so much better to get the "trickle down" at Ohio State - leaving Maryland out bc Maryland and Ohio State are totally different situations - why isn't Ohio State....better than Hopkins? They're 4 games worse in B1G play from 2015-19, made 3 less NCAA Tournaments. Why do they recruit at a lower level if they've got more $ and better facilities? Is Nick Myers a bad coach? Because that's what I'd be led to believe if Ohio State is such a better situation than Hopkins.
Also, I don't know Milliman personally but I imagine his considerations were similar to Bill Tierney, Jeff Tambroni, John Tillman, Lars Tiffany, and Brian Voelker's. All head coaches who left the Ivy League for other head coaching jobs in the last 10 years. three of those who left head coaching jobs in the Ivy League at programs with more history and tradition than the ones they were at. Cornell has literally never hired a sitting HC at that time and has only ever hired 1 coach with prior HC experience - it was Matt Kerwick.
Fair enough. I've definitely heard that assessment of Myers and that he doesn't develop talent as well as others. But I haven't watched them closely enough to confirm or deny that or say that they are recruiting at a lower level.
But as a coach in Baltimore, I can tell you there's simply not as much panache to the Hopkins name anymore. Its why they have struggled with recruiting in the past decade. The kids in HS don't remember a time when Hopkins was really good. Their history keeps getting further and further in the rear view mirror.
Re: Johns Hopkins 2021
Posted: Mon Jan 18, 2021 4:48 pm
by molo
Yes, the medical school and school of public health may be the best known schools at Hopkins at the international level, but the undergraduate school and graduate programs outside the medical field are superb and duly recognized. It is an elite university. Period.
Re: Johns Hopkins 2021
Posted: Mon Jan 18, 2021 5:52 pm
by MDlaxfan76
molo wrote: ↑Mon Jan 18, 2021 4:48 pm
Yes, the medical school and school of public health may be the best known schools at Hopkins at the international level, but the undergraduate school and graduate programs outside the medical field are superb and duly recognized. It is an elite university. Period.
My son is in the business of international college admissions and you betcha Hopkins is an "elite" university...including at the undergraduate level. Tremendous reputation...but sure, the Hopkins brand also gets a ton of support from the graduate programs. Deservedly.
I have no idea why Kram would come on here throwing shade at Hopkins or Milliman or anyone else, but maybe the competitive juices are flowing a bit and trolling on the politics thread isn't as much fun anymore...
