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Re: All Things Russia & Ukraine

Posted: Fri Mar 04, 2022 12:26 pm
by jhu72
Peter Brown wrote: Fri Mar 04, 2022 8:39 am
NattyBohChamps04 wrote: Thu Mar 03, 2022 9:33 pm Yeah, it's an idiotic take. What kind of "golden bridge" did Putin build for Zelenskyy when he invaded?




You don’t make a good point when you’re essentially trying to equate the west with Putin. Firstly, in the long run, I want to win whatever we call this conflict. I’m not sure Putin even knows what a win looks like at this stage. It appears as if he thinks a win is to cut Ukraine in two, and he assumes he’ll be dead of old age by the time Russia can’t take the ensuing urban combat deaths that surely would occur should Russia achieve its goal of half of Ukraine.

Provide the guy a golden bridge, then let’s be smarter about how to target him. Turkey has been itching to send Crimean Tartars back into Crimea to fight the occupying Russian forces, and naturally Obama’s feeble administration rejected that. Trumps administration couldn’t find Crimea on a map, so they were equally useless.

Elect a guy like Desantis, who has brains and leadership, and I think the world will see a much better outcome.
DeathSantis is just one more Trump / Putin wanna be. :roll:

Re: All Things Russia & Ukraine

Posted: Fri Mar 04, 2022 12:31 pm
by a fan
Peter Brown wrote: Fri Mar 04, 2022 12:18 pm I ‘pee’ on Biden because his team has been an abject failure. Crime, inflation, global instability, social issues. You want folks to applaud that?
:lol: The President is responsible for crime now? Neat. What did Trump do about crime, Petey? I seem to remember you telling us that American cities were burning to the ground on Trump's watch.....they're not burning anymore. We're good with Biden.

Inflation...what's yoru plan to reduce the price of the Juniper I buy from Bulgaria, Petey? This ought to be good. Make sure you use only one crayon in what I'm sure will be your detailed big-boy plan as to how to fix that.

Global instability? That's not on the President, either, Pete.

Social issues? No problem there, Pete. I sent Biden a note, asking him to pass an executive order banning any Americans who don't look and think exactly like Pete does. Only trouble there is that now we have millions of Americans with grades that are only good enough for the University of Florida, whose admissions criteria is: "can you fog a mirror"? If you have any ideas as to how to help out there, that'd be swell.

Re: All Things Russia & Ukraine

Posted: Fri Mar 04, 2022 12:33 pm
by a fan
Peter Brown wrote: Fri Mar 04, 2022 12:24 pm First, I’d get on a plane this minute to Moscow and sit down with Putin. I’d find out what could be done to achieve peace today, probably even giving more than most folks would be happy with. But I’d get peace, laying my groundwork for a longer-term victory.
:lol: Thank you for your Miss America answer, Pete.

Whew. "I'd find out what could be done to achieve peace today".

Groundbreaking stuff, Pete. Why didn't the rest of us come up with that BRILLIANT idea?

Re: All Things Russia & Ukraine

Posted: Fri Mar 04, 2022 12:35 pm
by Peter Brown
a fan wrote: Fri Mar 04, 2022 12:31 pm
Peter Brown wrote: Fri Mar 04, 2022 12:18 pm I ‘pee’ on Biden because his team has been an abject failure. Crime, inflation, global instability, social issues. You want folks to applaud that?
:lol: The President is responsible for crime now? Neat. What did Trump do about crime, Petey? I seem to remember you telling us that American cities were burning to the ground on Trump's watch.....they're not burning anymore. We're good with Biden.

Inflation...what's yoru plan to reduce the price of the Juniper I buy from Bulgaria, Petey? This ought to be good. Make sure you use only one crayon in what I'm sure will be your detailed big-boy plan as to how to fix that.

Global instability? That's not on the President, either, Pete.

Social issues? No problem there, Pete. I sent Biden a note, asking him to pass an executive order banning any Americans who don't look and think exactly like Pete does. Only trouble there is that now we have millions of Americans with grades that are only good enough for the University of Florida, whose admissions criteria is: "can you fog a mirror"? If you have any ideas as to how to help out there, that'd be swell.



You keep confusing me for a Trump fan. I thought his record on crime was an abysmal failure. I think Trump’s leadership skills and work ethic are substandard putting it charitably.

Global instability absolutely falls on the POTUS. Absolutely, 100%. Your boy is about to relive Iran of sanctions so we can buy their oil again. That ought to go great!

Re: All Things Russia & Ukraine

Posted: Fri Mar 04, 2022 12:37 pm
by Peter Brown
a fan wrote: Fri Mar 04, 2022 12:33 pm
Peter Brown wrote: Fri Mar 04, 2022 12:24 pm First, I’d get on a plane this minute to Moscow and sit down with Putin. I’d find out what could be done to achieve peace today, probably even giving more than most folks would be happy with. But I’d get peace, laying my groundwork for a longer-term victory.
:lol: Thank you for your Miss America answer, Pete.

Whew. "I'd find out what could be done to achieve peace today".

Groundbreaking stuff, Pete. Why didn't the rest of us come up with that BRILLIANT idea?



Maybe you could volunteer your thoughts? I actually think when war is being waged, a real leader steps up and gets involved, to stop it or join it. You?

Re: All Things Russia & Ukraine

Posted: Fri Mar 04, 2022 12:41 pm
by a fan
Peter Brown wrote: Fri Mar 04, 2022 12:37 pm Maybe you could volunteer your thoughts? I actually think when war is being waged, a real leader steps up and gets involved, to stop it or join it. You?
No. I don't. Sometimes sitting it out is best, Pete. Or haven't you noticed that the last several wars we've elected to wage haven't gone well at all?

Re: All Things Russia & Ukraine

Posted: Fri Mar 04, 2022 12:43 pm
by a fan
Peter Brown wrote: Fri Mar 04, 2022 12:35 pm You keep confusing me for a Trump fan.
:lol: Right, Pete.
Peter Brown wrote: Fri Mar 04, 2022 12:35 pm Global instability absolutely falls on the POTUS. Absolutely, 100%. Your boy is about to relive Iran of sanctions so we can buy their oil again. That ought to go great!
It's thinking like this that has led us to be at war since WWII, Pete. Hard pass. Send YOUR kids to war if you think this is our job.

Re: All Things Russia & Ukraine

Posted: Fri Mar 04, 2022 12:45 pm
by jhu72
a fan wrote: Fri Mar 04, 2022 12:33 pm
Peter Brown wrote: Fri Mar 04, 2022 12:24 pm First, I’d get on a plane this minute to Moscow and sit down with Putin. I’d find out what could be done to achieve peace today, probably even giving more than most folks would be happy with. But I’d get peace, laying my groundwork for a longer-term victory.
:lol: Thank you for your Miss America answer, Pete.

Whew. "I'd find out what could be done to achieve peace today".

Groundbreaking stuff, Pete. Why didn't the rest of us come up with that BRILLIANT idea?
.. Keyllanne translation >>> "I would give Putin whatever he wants"

Re: All Things Russia & Ukraine

Posted: Fri Mar 04, 2022 12:53 pm
by Typical Lax Dad
a fan wrote: Fri Mar 04, 2022 12:41 pm
Peter Brown wrote: Fri Mar 04, 2022 12:37 pm Maybe you could volunteer your thoughts? I actually think when war is being waged, a real leader steps up and gets involved, to stop it or join it. You?
No. I don't. Sometimes sitting it out is best, Pete. Or haven't you noticed that the last several wars we've elected to wage haven't gone well at all?
Don’t forget Grenada.

Re: All Things Russia & Ukraine

Posted: Fri Mar 04, 2022 1:03 pm
by a fan
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Fri Mar 04, 2022 12:53 pm
a fan wrote: Fri Mar 04, 2022 12:41 pm
Peter Brown wrote: Fri Mar 04, 2022 12:37 pm Maybe you could volunteer your thoughts? I actually think when war is being waged, a real leader steps up and gets involved, to stop it or join it. You?
No. I don't. Sometimes sitting it out is best, Pete. Or haven't you noticed that the last several wars we've elected to wage haven't gone well at all?
Don’t forget Grenada.
It's hilarious. After watching Trump say that we're not going to play global cop anymore, and Republicans nodding in agreement.....

..Republicans like Pete think that we've forgotten that Republican voters agreed that we don't have to play global cop anymore when Trump said it was cool...and then think we won't notice when they feign outrage that Biden isn't playing global cop, either. :roll:

Re: All Things Russia & Ukraine

Posted: Fri Mar 04, 2022 1:06 pm
by jhu72

Re: All Things Russia & Ukraine

Posted: Fri Mar 04, 2022 1:17 pm
by Peter Brown
a fan wrote: Fri Mar 04, 2022 12:31 pm
Peter Brown wrote: Fri Mar 04, 2022 12:18 pm I ‘pee’ on Biden because his team has been an abject failure. Crime, inflation, global instability, social issues. You want folks to applaud that?
:lol: The President is responsible for crime now? Neat. What did Trump do about crime, Petey? I seem to remember you telling us that American cities were burning to the ground on Trump's watch.....they're not burning anymore. We're good with Biden.

Inflation...what's yoru plan to reduce the price of the Juniper I buy from Bulgaria, Petey? This ought to be good. Make sure you use only one crayon in what I'm sure will be your detailed big-boy plan as to how to fix that.

Global instability? That's not on the President, either, Pete.

Social issues? No problem there, Pete. I sent Biden a note, asking him to pass an executive order banning any Americans who don't look and think exactly like Pete does. Only trouble there is that now we have millions of Americans with grades that are only good enough for the University of Florida, whose admissions criteria is: "can you fog a mirror"? If you have any ideas as to how to help out there, that'd be swell.


I wanted to circle back on this post.

The President is not responsible for specific instances of crime, but his leadership can help steer policies to cut down on crime as well as make folks feel there is justice. Too often Presidents have shirked getting into the weeds on this topic. I think it’s time for a change.

Simultaneously there needs to be a national debate on incarceration and punishment. I differentiate violent and non violent crime. You should too. It’s hard however to change the mindset of Americans who illogically view punishment as retribution. This debate is necessary.

Yes any Administration has a direct impact on inflation via multiple ways: Fed policy as directed by his Fed Chair; also, federal government spending. I don’t think your industry, as great as it is, has a significant impact on global inflation. If Juniper jumped a 1,000% and high end whiskey too, respectfully I don’t think there would be nearly as much angst as gasoline prices doing the same.

Global instability…100% on whoever the current POTUS is.

Social issues. Again 100%. If you can’t figure out how powerful this seat is, and how to use it, you might not be the man America needs. Again and to be clear, I thought Trump used the office in this regard in such a tragic fashion. American liberals are over sensitive as it is; mocking them daily wasn’t the best prescription for him crossing the aisle.

Re: All Things Russia & Ukraine

Posted: Fri Mar 04, 2022 1:34 pm
by a fan
Peter Brown wrote: Fri Mar 04, 2022 1:17 pm I wanted to circle back on this post.

The President is not responsible for specific instances of crime, but his leadership can help steer policies to cut down on crime as well as make folks feel there is justice.
Nope. That's about 90% at the State and Local level, except in rare cases.
Peter Brown wrote: Fri Mar 04, 2022 1:17 pm Simultaneously there needs to be a national debate on incarceration and punishment. I differentiate violent and non violent crime. You should too. It’s hard however to change the mindset of Americans who illogically view punishment as retribution. This debate is necessary.
Total opposite to the R party line, Pete. Sorry, mate.
Peter Brown wrote: Fri Mar 04, 2022 1:17 pm Yes any Administration has a direct impact on inflation via multiple ways: Fed policy as directed by his Fed Chair; also, federal government spending. I don’t think your industry, as great as it is, has a significant impact on global inflation. If Juniper jumped a 1,000% and high end whiskey too, respectfully I don’t think there would be nearly as much angst as gasoline prices doing the same.
You left out taxation. Gas angst has nothing to do with Biden.
Peter Brown wrote: Fri Mar 04, 2022 1:17 pm Global instability…100% on whoever the current POTUS is.
Nope.
Peter Brown wrote: Fri Mar 04, 2022 1:17 pm Social issues. Again 100%. If you can’t figure out how powerful this seat is, and how to use it, you might not be the man America needs. Again and to be clear, I thought Trump used the office in this regard in such a tragic fashion. American liberals are over sensitive as it is; mocking them daily wasn’t the best prescription for him crossing the aisle.
You can't legislate culture. Your team will never figure this out.

Re: All Things Russia & Ukraine

Posted: Fri Mar 04, 2022 1:50 pm
by Peter Brown
a fan wrote: Fri Mar 04, 2022 1:34 pm
Peter Brown wrote: Fri Mar 04, 2022 1:17 pm I wanted to circle back on this post.

The President is not responsible for specific instances of crime, but his leadership can help steer policies to cut down on crime as well as make folks feel there is justice.
Nope. That's about 90% at the State and Local level, except in rare cases.
Peter Brown wrote: Fri Mar 04, 2022 1:17 pm Simultaneously there needs to be a national debate on incarceration and punishment. I differentiate violent and non violent crime. You should too. It’s hard however to change the mindset of Americans who illogically view punishment as retribution. This debate is necessary.
Total opposite to the R party line, Pete. Sorry, mate.
Peter Brown wrote: Fri Mar 04, 2022 1:17 pm Yes any Administration has a direct impact on inflation via multiple ways: Fed policy as directed by his Fed Chair; also, federal government spending. I don’t think your industry, as great as it is, has a significant impact on global inflation. If Juniper jumped a 1,000% and high end whiskey too, respectfully I don’t think there would be nearly as much angst as gasoline prices doing the same.
You left out taxation. Gas angst has nothing to do with Biden.
Peter Brown wrote: Fri Mar 04, 2022 1:17 pm Global instability…100% on whoever the current POTUS is.
Nope.
Peter Brown wrote: Fri Mar 04, 2022 1:17 pm Social issues. Again 100%. If you can’t figure out how powerful this seat is, and how to use it, you might not be the man America needs. Again and to be clear, I thought Trump used the office in this regard in such a tragic fashion. American liberals are over sensitive as it is; mocking them daily wasn’t the best prescription for him crossing the aisle.
You can't legislate culture. Your team will never figure this out.



I realize that the crime I am referring to, shootings muggings etc, is a local issue, but what I’m saying is a POTUS needs to start a national conversation about crime and punishment. Too many cities are failing because of progressive DA’s.

I agree that Republicans are awful on punishment issues. But Democrats aren’t far behind; they salivate over no-bail retainers of non-violent 1-6 protesters. They clap for Trudeau when he seizes bank accounts without a court order.

Recall the conversation about Roger Stone, where I suggested that deputizing 40 heavily armed agents to storm his house wasn’t a great idea, not least being that it’s likely someone is gonna fire at folks trying to get in their house at 5:30 am. I’ll even skip the part where the FBI tipped off CNN to be there to record it all. This conversation about crime and punishment captures such offensive, unconstitutional stains as civil asset forfeiture, again a topic I have a hard time convincing my friends is wrong.

But the inability to distinguish violent and non violent crime is wrong no matter who’s in the convo, and in my party at least, we can disagree without being disagreeable.

And I’m afraid we will agree to disagree about the last two items. This country is desperate for a good man or woman with brains to occupy the office of the presidency. I’d say the best we’ve had in my lifetime was ironically Obama. I didn’t agree with many of his policies, but the guy had a brain and he had a decent staff. This current one is a train wreck of epic proportions.

Re: All Things Russia & Ukraine

Posted: Fri Mar 04, 2022 2:28 pm
by old salt
a fan wrote: Fri Mar 04, 2022 1:03 pm Sometimes sitting it out is best, Pete. Or haven't you noticed that the last several wars we've elected to wage haven't gone well at all?

It's hilarious. After watching Trump say that we're not going to play global cop anymore, and Republicans nodding in agreement.....

..Republicans like Pete think that we've forgotten that Republican voters agreed that we don't have to play global cop anymore when Trump said it was cool...and then think we won't notice when they feign outrage that Biden isn't playing global cop, either. :roll:
You may have noticed -- we ARE at war with Russia now. Our Ukrainian proxies happen to be doing the fighting (for now) with our weapons, intel, support & financing.

This was not an optional war of choice. This war came to us. We tried to avoid it & even ignored it for too long. We have just gone through a paradigm shift. The best we can hope for is that we don't get dragged into combat & that we can return to a tenuous, expensive protracted Cold War.

I hope you enjoyed the past 3 decades of Pax Americana & our peace dividend. We are sliding back into a Hobbesian dark age.
Just hope we are as successful as we were in the last Cold War, keeping it from going hot.

Re: All Things Russia & Ukraine

Posted: Fri Mar 04, 2022 2:31 pm
by RedFromMI
Peter Brown wrote: Fri Mar 04, 2022 1:50 pm (omitted)

I realize that the crime I am referring to, shootings muggings etc, is a local issue, but what I’m saying is a POTUS needs to start a national conversation about crime and punishment. Too many cities are failing because of progressive DA’s.

This is really a clueless statement - crime has very little to do with how "progressive" a DA happens to be, but on economic circumstances, the availability of firearms, the lack of support systems - you name it there are plenty of other reasons behind the issue of crime. A 1-D answer like you provide leads to ineffective solutions that never really fix the problems.

I agree that Republicans are awful on punishment issues. But Democrats aren’t far behind; they salivate over no-bail retainers of non-violent 1-6 protesters. They clap for Trudeau when he seizes bank accounts without a court order.

The whole 1/6/2020 event was violent, and still a criminal attempt to stop a lawful action of Congress. Being part of the mob means that part of the guilt resides with those who participated - no matter how "non-violent" a particular person's actions are. And if a judge decided that bail was not warranted I am not sure that is either a problem or something to be salivated over. The temporary emergency powers Trudeau used (which were only used for a short period of time) were used lawfully AFAIK, and that is a Canadian issue anyway.

On the issue of punishment - we over punish a whole lot of crime. That is more of a universal issue for all Americans.


Recall the conversation about Roger Stone, where I suggested that deputizing 40 heavily armed agents to storm his house wasn’t a great idea, not least being that it’s likely someone is gonna fire at folks trying to get in their house at 5:30 am. I’ll even skip the part where the FBI tipped off CNN to be there to record it all. This conversation about crime and punishment captures such offensive, unconstitutional stains as civil asset forfeiture, again a topic I have a hard time convincing my friends is wrong.

The FBI did not tip off CNN - there is better information available than you are willing to admit that CNN knew something might be coming and picked up on the activity before it started at the Stone residence.

But the inability to distinguish violent and non violent crime is wrong no matter who’s in the convo, and in my party at least, we can disagree without being disagreeable.

And I’m afraid we will agree to disagree about the last two items. This country is desperate for a good man or woman with brains to occupy the office of the presidency. I’d say the best we’ve had in my lifetime was ironically Obama. I didn’t agree with many of his policies, but the guy had a brain and he had a decent staff. This current one is a train wreck of epic proportions.


Re: All Things Russia & Ukraine

Posted: Fri Mar 04, 2022 2:32 pm
by CU88
THIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!


a fan wrote: Fri Mar 04, 2022 12:33 pm
Thank you for your Miss America answer, Pete.


Re: All Things Russia & Ukraine

Posted: Fri Mar 04, 2022 3:02 pm
by runrussellrun
CU88 wrote: Fri Mar 04, 2022 2:32 pm THIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!


a fan wrote: Fri Mar 04, 2022 12:33 pm
Thank you for your Miss America answer, Pete.

Yes, attractive women are ALL stupid..........

can you guys be more hateful to woman....geez.

Re: All Things Russia & Ukraine

Posted: Fri Mar 04, 2022 3:03 pm
by a fan
runrussellrun wrote: Fri Mar 04, 2022 3:02 pm
CU88 wrote: Fri Mar 04, 2022 2:32 pm THIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!


a fan wrote: Fri Mar 04, 2022 12:33 pm
Thank you for your Miss America answer, Pete.

Yes, attractive women are ALL stupid..........

can you guys be more hateful to woman....geez.
Riiiiight. Back to trolling again, are we? That didn't take long.

Re: All Things Russia & Ukraine

Posted: Fri Mar 04, 2022 3:07 pm
by a fan
old salt wrote: Fri Mar 04, 2022 2:28 pm
a fan wrote: Fri Mar 04, 2022 1:03 pm Sometimes sitting it out is best, Pete. Or haven't you noticed that the last several wars we've elected to wage haven't gone well at all?

It's hilarious. After watching Trump say that we're not going to play global cop anymore, and Republicans nodding in agreement.....

..Republicans like Pete think that we've forgotten that Republican voters agreed that we don't have to play global cop anymore when Trump said it was cool...and then think we won't notice when they feign outrage that Biden isn't playing global cop, either. :roll:
You may have noticed -- we ARE at war with Russia now.
So is most of the world. How many different countries have sent weapons now? This isn't a 80's proxy war.
old salt wrote: Fri Mar 04, 2022 2:28 pm I hope you enjoyed the past 3 decades of Pax Americana & our peace dividend.
You lost me. You think we haven't been at war for the last 30 years?

And what peace "dividend".....military spending goes up every year, save the sequester's whopping two years.