Trump's Russian Collusion

[ggait]

Just heard House Judiciary has not agreed to give Barr any time beyond their original deadline in April.

Eye roll.

As we all know, there's nothing like a sternly worded letter to make things happen!!!

Now subpoenas are worth something. But Nadler and Barr both know that Nadler's never going to do that. Because subpoenas take many many months to enforce.

Barr says he will send the redacted report to Congress by end of April and then he'll testify. That's surely the plan that Mueller and Rosenstein agreed to. So I'll bet you that's exactly what's going to happen. Barr is not doofus hack like Devin Nunes.

And that plan will be fine. Plenty of time until the 2020 election. I really don't care if Trump and Hannity spend a few weeks telling preposterous lies. I just want to see the report in a reasonably foreseeable time from now. May, not March, is when Mueller time will really happen.

[runrussellrun]

MClax wrote:

Apparently that leaves all the Bushes including dad and mom, out of the party. McCain too. If alive, Reagan, Kemp, Ike, none of them would recognize this bunch of weasels, nativists, and racists as "Republicans".

You need you head checked for memory loss. Or, you see what you want to see. tRump was only channeling Mclame. Amazed at the delusional honor thinking that goes on.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0lwusMxiHc

You've shown us this 2010 campaign ad before. But no, McCain rejected the Trumpist band wagon. Not a boot licker.
Not always right on every policy though. Nor is Trump wrong on every policy. But one guy had a lifetime of predominantly honorable behavior in service to his country, the other avoided all responsibility of service to his country, committed tax fraud, and ran his whole life as a scam artist. Really not a fair comparison.

Apparently Barbara Bush is being pretty outspoken about HW and her not voting for Trump in 2016. The whole family thinks he's not worth more than what they scrape off their shoe when walking through a cow pasture.

Reagan, Kemp, Ike and whole slew of other traditional R's would reject this bunch.

Honorable behavior? Do you have a daughter? Is she ugly? Only, I'm not 62 yet, got a couple of years to go.
How'd he do at tailhook? Man, no way defending tRump. But, please with this memory of honor.
Yes, I have posted the ad before. What are your thoughts on the ad? Revisionist history, fer sure. Too many McCain negatives to post, they would fall on closed eyes anyway.

[runrussellrun]

Just heard House Judiciary has not agreed to give Barr any time beyond their original deadline in April.

Eye roll.

As we all know, there's nothing like a sternly worded letter to make things happen!!!

Now subpoenas are worth something. But Nadler and Barr both know that Nadler's never going to do that. Because subpoenas take many many months to enforce.

Barr says he will send the redacted report to Congress by end of April and then he'll testify. That's surely the plan that Mueller and Rosenstein agreed to. So I'll bet you that's exactly what's going to happen. Barr is not doofus hack like Devin Nunes.

And that plan will be fine. Plenty of time until the 2020 election. I really don't care if Trump and Hannity spend a few weeks telling preposterous lies. I just want to see the report in a reasonably foreseeable time from now. May, not March, is when Mueller time will really happen.

The key code is 159753....x marks the spot. Not very original, but it's easy to break into the place. I will help you.
Is it stealing if it's public property. The people do own this report, right.

[old salt]

Folks are getting out over the skis (at this point) on Barr imo.

Seems beyond naive to me to think that old pro Mueller had absolutely no idea of what was going to happen after his report was turned over. And that he somehow has been hoodwinked by what Barr is doing now. Remember -- Barr and Mueller are very close personal friends who have worked together for decades. Seems much more likely to me that Mueller and Rosenstein and Barr worked out a plan before the report was handed over.

Barr now telling Congress that he'll turn over the report with GJ and nat security redactions. That's the outcome you'd expect Mueller to insist upon. And if that was the plan, then you'd also expect that Mueller wrote and organized his report and reached his conclusions/non-conclusions with that eventual outcome in mind.

Last, you'd expect that MR&B would want their plan to roll out in the middle part of 2019. So as to avoid anything being too close to the 2018 and 2020 elections.

For now, I'm going with Occam's razor.

I thought I heard that Barr and Mueller are acquaintances, not close friends. The source of the "close friends" story seems to be RedState laundering a Breitbart story. I don't trust Barr based on his statement's followed by observed actions to date, given his history and behavior vis-à-vis presidential power. He needs to earn my respect, at this time he is in a hole. He will be judged by his actions.

He is not going to be able to hide this, he will be forced to testify to congress under oath. He knows he can't hide it and hence all he can do is delay - he is not the president. He has given Orange Duce his "gloat fest" moment. I am highly confident this all ends up the right way, with what Mueller produced in the hands of congress. It is only a question of how long Barr can delay congress getting everything.

Then-Attorney General William Barr at a news conference in 1991, as then Assistant Attorney General Robert Mueller stands nearby

Barr and Mueller first crossed paths at the Justice Department during the George H.W. Bush administration. But the relationship goes further: Their wives are close friends who attend Bible study together, and Mueller attended the weddings of two of Barr’s daughters.

“They have a high level of respect for each other,” said Paul McNulty, a former senior DOJ official who led the department’s policy and communications shop while Barr was attorney general and Mueller served as the head of its Criminal Division. “They have maintained a good friendship ever since.”

It won’t be the first time Barr has been Mueller’s boss.
During the George W. Bush administration, the two men often worked together on sensitive issues.

At the department’s 1991 news conference rolling out its annual budget request, for example, Barr, then deputy attorney general, was joined by Mueller, then the assistant attorney general in charge of the Criminal Division, to answer reporters’ questions about the Bush administration’s spending plans to combat white-collar crime, defense procurement fraud and child pornography.

Later that year, during Barr’s confirmation hearing to serve as Bush’s attorney general, Barr noted that he was overseeing Mueller in a wide-ranging federal investigation into the Bank of Credit and Commerce International, a politically connected Luxembourg-based bank that would later plead guilty to running a wide-scale money laundering scheme.

They also appeared together at a news conference announcing the indictment of two Libyan officials who were charged with bombing Pan Am Flight 103 over Lockerbie, Scotland in 1988.

And just ahead of the 1992 presidential election, Barr and Mueller pushed back against House Democratic demands seeking the appointment of a special prosecutor to investigate the first Bush administration’s dealings with Iraq before the Persian Gulf War. “No amount of hysterical rhetoric or political cheap shots can substitute for evidence that warrants triggering the statute,” Mueller told the congressional panel during a highly charged hearing, according to a CNN report from the time.

[jhu72]

Just heard House Judiciary has not agreed to give Barr any time beyond their original deadline in April.

Eye roll.

As we all know, there's nothing like a sternly worded letter to make things happen!!!

Now subpoenas are worth something. But Nadler and Barr both know that Nadler's never going to do that. Because subpoenas take many many months to enforce.

Barr says he will send the redacted report to Congress by end of April and then he'll testify. That's surely the plan that Mueller and Rosenstein agreed to. So I'll bet you that's exactly what's going to happen. Barr is not doofus hack like Devin Nunes.

And that plan will be fine. Plenty of time until the 2020 election. I really don't care if Trump and Hannity spend a few weeks telling preposterous lies. I just want to see the report in a reasonably foreseeable time from now. May, not March, is when Mueller time will really happen.

According to Maddow and guest (I did not catch his name (only saw the last 2/3 of the interview) but he is a court reporter who was in court today) the Mueller DC Grand Jury is not finished its work. They did meet today. The responsible judge confirmed with government prosecutors that the work of that Mueller GJ is on going "and working robustly". Whatever that means. It certainly means that the House can't get the GJ files until that GJ is complete. I am guessing you can get a copy of the court proceedings from the Maddow site - she does have the transcript. I haven't looked.

Agree there is plenty of time. Impeachment is not going to happen, most likely and plenty of time for laying it out for 2020.

[old salt]

You predictably ignore the disparity in investigate resources & access the Mueller probe enjoyed, in contrast to the Benghazi Comm.

And you predictably ignore the fact that we haven't heard one word from Mueller, or that Trump was never interviewed, let alone pulled apart by partisan Congressman looking to hammer Hill for 11 hours during an election cycle when she didn't break one single solitary law. "That's not illegal", so who cares, right?

So yeah, you're thrilled with both investigations. Shocker.

Mueller hasn't cleared anyone, btw. Barr did. That's not the same thing. Let's wait to see the report before we brag about how awesome Trump is, eh?

[WOMBAT, Mod Emeritus]

Geez, I wondered over here for the first time in a long while.

Did you all hear that the full special prosecutor’s report was released just a couple of years ago? That one was about Watergate.

Good luck reading the full Mueller.

And, before I head back to the drama in the Hopkins thread:

Where’s the pee tape?

[MDlaxfan76]

MClax wrote:

Apparently that leaves all the Bushes including dad and mom, out of the party. McCain too. If alive, Reagan, Kemp, Ike, none of them would recognize this bunch of weasels, nativists, and racists as "Republicans".

You need you head checked for memory loss. Or, you see what you want to see. tRump was only channeling Mclame. Amazed at the delusional honor thinking that goes on.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0lwusMxiHc

You've shown us this 2010 campaign ad before. But no, McCain rejected the Trumpist band wagon. Not a boot licker.
Not always right on every policy though. Nor is Trump wrong on every policy. But one guy had a lifetime of predominantly honorable behavior in service to his country, the other avoided all responsibility of service to his country, committed tax fraud, and ran his whole life as a scam artist. Really not a fair comparison.

Apparently Barbara Bush is being pretty outspoken about HW and her not voting for Trump in 2016. The whole family thinks he's not worth more than what they scrape off their shoe when walking through a cow pasture.

Reagan, Kemp, Ike and whole slew of other traditional R's would reject this bunch.

Honorable behavior? Do you have a daughter? Is she ugly? Only, I'm not 62 yet, got a couple of years to go.
How'd he do at tailhook? Man, no way defending tRump. But, please with this memory of honor.
Yes, I have posted the ad before. What are your thoughts on the ad? Revisionist history, fer sure. Too many McCain negatives to post, they would fall on closed eyes anyway.

I get it that you have a hard on against McCain. I have no desire to get into that argument (again). I purposely used the words "predominantly honorable behavior in service to his country". If you really don't even agree with that, I'll never persuade you otherwise.

[runrussellrun]

I am a stubborn mule. Sorry, but when someone plans and prepares to "entertain" a crowd, well before hand, with a joke about a kid not old enough to vote, they can NEVER come back from that. The guy is a class A douche bag. You (collective) only honor his memory because he hated tRump. clap clap. Like honoring him for liking ice cream.

Kinda like tRumps horrible comments about his CONservative opponents looks. Deplorable. Unforgivable.

[runrussellrun]

Geez, I wondered over here for the first time in a long while.

Did you all hear that the full special prosecutor’s report was released just a couple of years ago? That one was about Watergate.

Good luck reading the full Mueller.

And, before I head back to the drama in the Hopkins thread:

Where’s the pee tape?

Chuck Berry is borrowing it......

[foreverlax]

Geez, I wondered over here for the first time in a long while.

Did you all hear that the full special prosecutor’s report was released just a couple of years ago? That one was about Watergate.

Good luck reading the full Mueller.

And, before I head back to the drama in the Hopkins thread:

Where’s the pee tape?

Imagine if Starr had given his report to Janet Reno and she followed up with a 4 pager. That would have gone over nicely.

[wahoomurf]

Maybe not best friends, but close friends.

Mueller attended the weddings of Barr's kids. Mrs. Barr and Mrs. Mueller are in the same bible study group. Mueller and Barr go back decades in DOJ. During his Senate confirm hearing, Barr testified that he told Trump in 2017 the following:

"I told [Trump] how well I knew Bob Mueller and that the Barrs and Muellers were good friends and would be good friends when this was all over."

The BS story (largely spread by Trump) was that Mueller and Comey were best buds.

I'm just not seeing (yet) that Barr is going to torpedo Mueller or that Mueller would let Barr do that to him.

If a devout Episcopalian and and an equally devout Roman Catholic can study holy writ together,why can't Ds and Rs get together under the guise of Bible Study? A great way to fool the fake press,the press.Fox News,CNN and the VSG. Kinda like a Congressional star chambe

Another BS story....Barr has never been a member of Opus Dei. Some famous/infamous Americans were/are members of Opus Dei. Mr.Justice Scalia, Mr.Justice Alioto and FBI Special Agent Robert Hanssen, American's latter day version of the Rosenbergs, was a supernumerary in the order.Again Barr is not now,nor has he ever been a member.

Can't we all just get along?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMGJCSTzB3I

[wahoomurf]

Geez, I wondered over here for the first time in a long while.

Did you all hear that the full special prosecutor’s report was released just a couple of years ago? That one was about Watergate.

Good luck reading the full Mueller.

And, before I head back to the drama in the Hopkins thread:

Where’s the pee tape?

Wondering while wandering is great way to free your head.

https://youtu.be/CWwO296zaKA

[ChairmanOfTheBoard]

Those facebook ads did it.

Unfortunately a lot of idiots out there believe Facebook posts and ads. Just look at the antivaxx movement. People are literally dying because of facebook ads and posts.

Ban facebook. It's for the children, and if it saves just one life, it's worth it.


But it seems google is much more of a player in helping change election votes with misinformation with search manipulation. run by a roosian?

just like that time palin said russia is visible from US soil.

media = at fault. doesnt matter, still becomes the reality. this time however, it's web2.0

but fake news is a new thing??? (dewey defeats truman)

[a fan]

Precisely my point. That's what the libs wanted for ol' Donnie. Imagine the crazy stuff that would come out of Donny's mouth over 11 hours of partisan questioning.

The libs didn't get that. And, of course, the Mueller report, for now, is buried. So that clearance that you were expecting isn't coming.

And I'm not talking about the tinfoil hat Dems....I'm talking about the Republican Congressmen. Would you trust Trump is in the clear if you hadn't seen the unredacted report? Yeah, me neither. This isn't over until that happens. Who knows what craziness is in that report?

[youthathletics]

I suppose this is the crux of both sides on this topic. Jim Jordan video.

https://twitter.com/Jim_Jordan/status/1 ... 0679742464

[jhu72]

Geez, I wondered over here for the first time in a long while.

Did you all hear that the full special prosecutor’s report was released just a couple of years ago? That one was about Watergate.

Good luck reading the full Mueller.

And, before I head back to the drama in the Hopkins thread:

Where’s the pee tape?

Actually I think you can find them on the web. There were multiple, but all fake.

[a fan]

I suppose this is the crux of both sides on this topic. Jim Jordan video.

https://twitter.com/Jim_Jordan/status/1 ... 0679742464

For F's sake, Jordan isn't quoting Mueller. He's pretending he is. He's not. He's quote what Barr thinks. Sorry, Barr isn't Mueller.

Did anyone----anyone--- in America take a single logic class in college?

There is NO WAY you, old salt, tech37, 6ft, or anyone else would "take Barr's word for it", when you have the report, in hand, ready to give to the American public...if this report was about Hillary or the Deep State.

So just stop. If you're going to call out libs for not letting it go, the stupid thing has to be actually over. How many times did old salt himself tell everyone to wait for the report?

We still don't have the report. Literally nothing has changed from six months ago. Nothing. Mueller is still prosecuting. He's not done, and no one has seen the doggone report.

When we, the public, have the report.....and it's clear that Trump has done nothing wrong? THEN you get to make fun of the libs for not letting go of something.

You know, like HIll's emails, Benghazi, and the Deep State....

[youthathletics]

The point of my post was exactly what I prefaced before inserting the Twitter LInk. Boy you guys are jumpy.

Page 2 - Muellers words NOT Barrs.

“[T]he investigation did not establish that members of the Trump Campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities.”

I suppose this means Muller needs more time or Congress needs to start all over again?

Page 3 Not just Barr making these determinations.

After reviewing the Special Counsel's final report on these issues; consulting with Department officials, including the Office of Legal Counsel; and applying the principles of federal prosecution that guide our charging decisions, Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein and I have concluded that the evidence developed during the Special Counsel's investigation is not sufficient to establish that the President committed an obstruction-of-justice offense.

Page 3 cont'd: Underlined are Muellers words NOT Barrs

In making this determination, we noted that the Special Counsel recognized that “the evidence does not establish that the President was involved in an underlying crime related to Russian election interference,"

Now Muller is also a liar.....I suppose the left is now stumped how to spin this back on Mueller...that's really the question.

[old salt]

10 bogus Russia collusion stories based on unnamed sources