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cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2024 1:14 pm

a fan wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2024 1:02 pm

NattyBohChamps04 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2024 9:23 am

old salt wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2024 2:29 am

NattyBohChamps04 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2024 12:11 am There were way more chances than two to prevent this one. You fail to see the many chances we had at stopping this before it happened. That's even sadder.

Sadder that Republicans like you blocked immigration reform. An entire bill you asked for. Blocked just to score political points.

You had a chance to make immigration better, and you p!ssed it away for Donald Trump? Talk about incompetency.

The cherry on top? You wouldn't do anything to prevent this woman's murder if it was a US citizen doing the deed. You'd cut everything that might have helped.

This killer entered the US in 2022, long before the compromise bill was even considered.
The compromise bill you cite would not have denied him entry if he was among the first 8500 asylum seekers that day, or 35,000/7 days.
The bill you reference also did not stop Biden's parole entry for 30,000 migrants/month from Venezuela, Nicaragua, Cuba & Haiti.
https://www.uscis.gov/CHNV.
The Dems controlled both the House & Senate in Biden's first 2 years. He did not pursue a compromise bill then.
Biden just cancelled all of Trump's policies & asked Congress for more money to enable DHS to let more in & to resettle them throughout the US.
If the killer was a US citizen he could have been held & tried in NYC, but they don't do that anymore there. They're too busy prosecuting Trump.

I never said that bill would have prevented this particular murder, keep up.

If you're gonna ignore the filibuster, it's funnier that Republicans had control of Congress and the White House for two years under Trump and never passed immigration reform. An issue y'all seem to care about so deeply vs. Democrats. Something Trump campaigned on relentlessly.

Immigration is one of the Republican's biggest issues. The sky is falling! And the solution was to build a wall that would do nothing to stop asylum seekers and drug smugglers? You complain about the Dems when your own side doesn't do anything to fix the problem when they're in charge. And you also complain when the Dems give in to all your demands in a bill and your side still says no.

Old Salt will NEVER understand that his whole "the Dems are bad with immigration" schtick is specifically, and precisely, why Republicans in Congress will NEVER pass a proper immigration reform bill. It's too valuable of a fake issue for them to ever solve these problem. It gets guys like OS worked up.

OS and the other R"s on the board have been falling for this game for DECADES now. And they REFUSE to hold their team accountable for not passing bills.

In short they are DEMANDING that their R reps do nothing, so that they can b*tch and whine and complain about how the Dems are "doing it wrong" year after year after year.


The idea that the border is our biggest problem is LAUGHABLE. How's life for TrumpNation the last few decades? How are their wages? How's the price of medical care suiting them? How's the education system doing? How's the cost of college or vocational training.

This is why the "emergency at the border" that's lasted for over 12 years now will never die: it allows the 1%ers to royally screw over TrumpNation, who are convinced that drag queens, trans athletes and books are their biggest problem. It's just.....sad.

What game are you talking about? You keep circling back to this being a republican concoction to maintain the status quo. Republicans and Democrats have been dog dicking this issue for over 40 years. The best these weasels can do now is point fingers at the other side and pass the buck for the ineptitude in dealing with this issue. This recent attempt at a bipartisan compromise crashed like a lead balloon. If this issue had not blown up in Bidens face in an election year doing nothing would still be the modus operandi from both sides. All talk and no action, what a surprise.

cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2024 1:14 pm What game are you talking about? You keep circling back to this being a republican concoction to maintain the status quo.

youthathletics wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2024 1:29 pm

cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2024 1:14 pm

a fan wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2024 1:02 pm

NattyBohChamps04 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2024 9:23 am

old salt wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2024 2:29 am

NattyBohChamps04 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2024 12:11 am There were way more chances than two to prevent this one. You fail to see the many chances we had at stopping this before it happened. That's even sadder.

Sadder that Republicans like you blocked immigration reform. An entire bill you asked for. Blocked just to score political points.

You had a chance to make immigration better, and you p!ssed it away for Donald Trump? Talk about incompetency.

The cherry on top? You wouldn't do anything to prevent this woman's murder if it was a US citizen doing the deed. You'd cut everything that might have helped.

This killer entered the US in 2022, long before the compromise bill was even considered.
The compromise bill you cite would not have denied him entry if he was among the first 8500 asylum seekers that day, or 35,000/7 days.
The bill you reference also did not stop Biden's parole entry for 30,000 migrants/month from Venezuela, Nicaragua, Cuba & Haiti.
https://www.uscis.gov/CHNV.
The Dems controlled both the House & Senate in Biden's first 2 years. He did not pursue a compromise bill then.
Biden just cancelled all of Trump's policies & asked Congress for more money to enable DHS to let more in & to resettle them throughout the US.
If the killer was a US citizen he could have been held & tried in NYC, but they don't do that anymore there. They're too busy prosecuting Trump.

I never said that bill would have prevented this particular murder, keep up.

If you're gonna ignore the filibuster, it's funnier that Republicans had control of Congress and the White House for two years under Trump and never passed immigration reform. An issue y'all seem to care about so deeply vs. Democrats. Something Trump campaigned on relentlessly.

Immigration is one of the Republican's biggest issues. The sky is falling! And the solution was to build a wall that would do nothing to stop asylum seekers and drug smugglers? You complain about the Dems when your own side doesn't do anything to fix the problem when they're in charge. And you also complain when the Dems give in to all your demands in a bill and your side still says no.

Old Salt will NEVER understand that his whole "the Dems are bad with immigration" schtick is specifically, and precisely, why Republicans in Congress will NEVER pass a proper immigration reform bill. It's too valuable of a fake issue for them to ever solve these problem. It gets guys like OS worked up.

OS and the other R"s on the board have been falling for this game for DECADES now. And they REFUSE to hold their team accountable for not passing bills.

In short they are DEMANDING that their R reps do nothing, so that they can b*tch and whine and complain about how the Dems are "doing it wrong" year after year after year.


The idea that the border is our biggest problem is LAUGHABLE. How's life for TrumpNation the last few decades? How are their wages? How's the price of medical care suiting them? How's the education system doing? How's the cost of college or vocational training.

This is why the "emergency at the border" that's lasted for over 12 years now will never die: it allows the 1%ers to royally screw over TrumpNation, who are convinced that drag queens, trans athletes and books are their biggest problem. It's just.....sad.

What game are you talking about? You keep circling back to this being a republican concoction to maintain the status quo. Republicans and Democrats have been dog dicking this issue for over 40 years. The best these weasels can do now is point fingers at the other side and pass the buck for the ineptitude in dealing with this issue. This recent attempt at a bipartisan compromise crashed like a lead balloon. If this issue had not blown up in Bidens face in an election year doing nothing would still be the modus operandi from both sides. All talk and no action, what a surprise.

Exactly correct. Afan has famously called out the R's for not doing anything with a majority, and then when the Dems have it, it was still the R's fault.

a fan wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2024 1:44 pm

youthathletics wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2024 1:29 pm

cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2024 1:14 pm

a fan wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2024 1:02 pm

NattyBohChamps04 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2024 9:23 am

old salt wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2024 2:29 am

NattyBohChamps04 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2024 12:11 am There were way more chances than two to prevent this one. You fail to see the many chances we had at stopping this before it happened. That's even sadder.

Sadder that Republicans like you blocked immigration reform. An entire bill you asked for. Blocked just to score political points.

You had a chance to make immigration better, and you p!ssed it away for Donald Trump? Talk about incompetency.

The cherry on top? You wouldn't do anything to prevent this woman's murder if it was a US citizen doing the deed. You'd cut everything that might have helped.

This killer entered the US in 2022, long before the compromise bill was even considered.
The compromise bill you cite would not have denied him entry if he was among the first 8500 asylum seekers that day, or 35,000/7 days.
The bill you reference also did not stop Biden's parole entry for 30,000 migrants/month from Venezuela, Nicaragua, Cuba & Haiti.
https://www.uscis.gov/CHNV.
The Dems controlled both the House & Senate in Biden's first 2 years. He did not pursue a compromise bill then.
Biden just cancelled all of Trump's policies & asked Congress for more money to enable DHS to let more in & to resettle them throughout the US.
If the killer was a US citizen he could have been held & tried in NYC, but they don't do that anymore there. They're too busy prosecuting Trump.

I never said that bill would have prevented this particular murder, keep up.

If you're gonna ignore the filibuster, it's funnier that Republicans had control of Congress and the White House for two years under Trump and never passed immigration reform. An issue y'all seem to care about so deeply vs. Democrats. Something Trump campaigned on relentlessly.

Immigration is one of the Republican's biggest issues. The sky is falling! And the solution was to build a wall that would do nothing to stop asylum seekers and drug smugglers? You complain about the Dems when your own side doesn't do anything to fix the problem when they're in charge. And you also complain when the Dems give in to all your demands in a bill and your side still says no.

Old Salt will NEVER understand that his whole "the Dems are bad with immigration" schtick is specifically, and precisely, why Republicans in Congress will NEVER pass a proper immigration reform bill. It's too valuable of a fake issue for them to ever solve these problem. It gets guys like OS worked up.

OS and the other R"s on the board have been falling for this game for DECADES now. And they REFUSE to hold their team accountable for not passing bills.

In short they are DEMANDING that their R reps do nothing, so that they can b*tch and whine and complain about how the Dems are "doing it wrong" year after year after year.


The idea that the border is our biggest problem is LAUGHABLE. How's life for TrumpNation the last few decades? How are their wages? How's the price of medical care suiting them? How's the education system doing? How's the cost of college or vocational training.

This is why the "emergency at the border" that's lasted for over 12 years now will never die: it allows the 1%ers to royally screw over TrumpNation, who are convinced that drag queens, trans athletes and books are their biggest problem. It's just.....sad.

What game are you talking about? You keep circling back to this being a republican concoction to maintain the status quo. Republicans and Democrats have been dog dicking this issue for over 40 years. The best these weasels can do now is point fingers at the other side and pass the buck for the ineptitude in dealing with this issue. This recent attempt at a bipartisan compromise crashed like a lead balloon. If this issue had not blown up in Bidens face in an election year doing nothing would still be the modus operandi from both sides. All talk and no action, what a surprise.

Exactly correct. Afan has famously called out the R's for not doing anything with a majority, and then when the Dems have it, it was still the R's fault.

What happened to the bill last month, my man? Who voted it down? More money, more resources, and your crew shut it down. Was it perfect? Of course not. So pass the doggone bill, get the money and resources, and get to work on a better bill. Duh.

And naturally, you give your R a pass for turning down more money, because that's what you will always do.

And that, of course, is why they killed the bill: to make you and OS happy, and to keep the fake issue alive.

It's working. You hold the D's responsible no matter what happens. And ignore that this is a major issue for your R team, not the Dems.

Or do you think I should get mad at Dems for not making access to reproductive health harder?

youthathletics wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2024 1:57 pm You have me confused with someone else. I have been ticked at both sides for not doing enough. My reply to cradle is that you should ALSO be livid at the Dems, at least in writing, round deez parts, so we know you you are not here to just pick a fight.

youthathletics wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2024 1:57 pm My argument is with the Congress as a whole. I really and truly believe the border should be treated as a Single-Subject Rule, and not lumped in with pork. IMO, the only reason they do this (and some say its always been this way, so it must be so) is so there is division, to kick the can and play the blame game......it is BS.

a fan wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2024 1:02 pm

NattyBohChamps04 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2024 9:23 am

old salt wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2024 2:29 am

NattyBohChamps04 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2024 12:11 am There were way more chances than two to prevent this one. You fail to see the many chances we had at stopping this before it happened. That's even sadder.

Sadder that Republicans like you blocked immigration reform. An entire bill you asked for. Blocked just to score political points.

You had a chance to make immigration better, and you p!ssed it away for Donald Trump? Talk about incompetency.

The cherry on top? You wouldn't do anything to prevent this woman's murder if it was a US citizen doing the deed. You'd cut everything that might have helped.

This killer entered the US in 2022, long before the compromise bill was even considered.
The compromise bill you cite would not have denied him entry if he was among the first 8500 asylum seekers that day, or 35,000/7 days.
The bill you reference also did not stop Biden's parole entry for 30,000 migrants/month from Venezuela, Nicaragua, Cuba & Haiti.
https://www.uscis.gov/CHNV.
The Dems controlled both the House & Senate in Biden's first 2 years. He did not pursue a compromise bill then.
Biden just cancelled all of Trump's policies & asked Congress for more money to enable DHS to let more in & to resettle them throughout the US.
If the killer was a US citizen he could have been held & tried in NYC, but they don't do that anymore there. They're too busy prosecuting Trump.

I never said that bill would have prevented this particular murder, keep up.

If you're gonna ignore the filibuster, it's funnier that Republicans had control of Congress and the White House for two years under Trump and never passed immigration reform. An issue y'all seem to care about so deeply vs. Democrats. Something Trump campaigned on relentlessly.

Immigration is one of the Republican's biggest issues. The sky is falling! And the solution was to build a wall that would do nothing to stop asylum seekers and drug smugglers? You complain about the Dems when your own side doesn't do anything to fix the problem when they're in charge. And you also complain when the Dems give in to all your demands in a bill and your side still says no.

Old Salt will NEVER understand that his whole "the Dems are bad with immigration" schtick is specifically, and precisely, why Republicans in Congress will NEVER pass a proper immigration reform bill. It's too valuable of a fake issue for them to ever solve these problem. It gets guys like OS worked up.

OS and the other R"s on the board have been falling for this game for DECADES now. And they REFUSE to hold their team accountable for not passing bills.

In short they are DEMANDING that their R reps do nothing, so that they can b*tch and whine and complain about how the Dems are "doing it wrong" year after year after year.

The idea that the border is our biggest problem is LAUGHABLE. How's life for TrumpNation the last few decades? How are their wages? How's the price of medical care suiting them? How's the education system doing? How's the cost of college or vocational training.

This is why the "emergency at the border" that's lasted for over 12 years now will never die: it allows the 1%ers to royally screw over TrumpNation, who are convinced that drag queens, trans athletes and books are their biggest problem. It's just.....sad.

old salt wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2024 4:44 pm

a fan wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2024 1:02 pm

NattyBohChamps04 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2024 9:23 am

old salt wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2024 2:29 am

NattyBohChamps04 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2024 12:11 am There were way more chances than two to prevent this one. You fail to see the many chances we had at stopping this before it happened. That's even sadder.

Sadder that Republicans like you blocked immigration reform. An entire bill you asked for. Blocked just to score political points.

You had a chance to make immigration better, and you p!ssed it away for Donald Trump? Talk about incompetency.

The cherry on top? You wouldn't do anything to prevent this woman's murder if it was a US citizen doing the deed. You'd cut everything that might have helped.

This killer entered the US in 2022, long before the compromise bill was even considered.
The compromise bill you cite would not have denied him entry if he was among the first 8500 asylum seekers that day, or 35,000/7 days.
The bill you reference also did not stop Biden's parole entry for 30,000 migrants/month from Venezuela, Nicaragua, Cuba & Haiti.
https://www.uscis.gov/CHNV.
The Dems controlled both the House & Senate in Biden's first 2 years. He did not pursue a compromise bill then.
Biden just cancelled all of Trump's policies & asked Congress for more money to enable DHS to let more in & to resettle them throughout the US.
If the killer was a US citizen he could have been held & tried in NYC, but they don't do that anymore there. They're too busy prosecuting Trump.

I never said that bill would have prevented this particular murder, keep up.

If you're gonna ignore the filibuster, it's funnier that Republicans had control of Congress and the White House for two years under Trump and never passed immigration reform. An issue y'all seem to care about so deeply vs. Democrats. Something Trump campaigned on relentlessly.

Immigration is one of the Republican's biggest issues. The sky is falling! And the solution was to build a wall that would do nothing to stop asylum seekers and drug smugglers? You complain about the Dems when your own side doesn't do anything to fix the problem when they're in charge. And you also complain when the Dems give in to all your demands in a bill and your side still says no.

Old Salt will NEVER understand that his whole "the Dems are bad with immigration" schtick is specifically, and precisely, why Republicans in Congress will NEVER pass a proper immigration reform bill. It's too valuable of a fake issue for them to ever solve these problem. It gets guys like OS worked up.

OS and the other R"s on the board have been falling for this game for DECADES now. And they REFUSE to hold their team accountable for not passing bills.

In short they are DEMANDING that their R reps do nothing, so that they can b*tch and whine and complain about how the Dems are "doing it wrong" year after year after year.

The idea that the border is our biggest problem is LAUGHABLE. How's life for TrumpNation the last few decades? How are their wages? How's the price of medical care suiting them? How's the education system doing? How's the cost of college or vocational training.

This is why the "emergency at the border" that's lasted for over 12 years now will never die: it allows the 1%ers to royally screw over TrumpNation, who are convinced that drag queens, trans athletes and books are their biggest problem. It's just.....sad.

Cutting through the smokescreen, the only immigration bill passed by either house of Congress in recent history is HR2, which is still sitting on the table, waiting for the Senate & President to even consider it, then use it as a basis for negotiation, which is how a bill normally becomes a law.
obtw -- HR2 mandates E-verify.

How's the fake crisis at the border impacting things in Denver ? How is it impacting things like the cost of medical care, education & the availability of vocational training vs ESL remedial education ?

Do we not have enough migrants here now who entered illegally or via asylum, who are attempting to assimilate, learn English, & attain self-sufficiency? Should we not absorb them & put them to work before we leave the border open to continue to allow this volume of economic migrants to flood through the bogus asylum loophole ? Should they not be receiving health screenings & security/criminal record checks before being released into the interior ? How thorough is the screening of the sponsor/custodians who are taking custody of unaccompanied minors ?

https://www.nationalreview.com/2024/02/ ... y-tragedy/

The Laken Riley Tragedy

by THE EDITORS, February 27, 2024

If millions of immigration-enforcement encounters are a statistic, the murder, by blunt force trauma to the head, of one American young woman is a tragedy.

Negligent enforcement policies set by the Biden administration, indulgent “sanctuary” given to lawbreakers by our cities, and abusive appropriation of taxpayer resources to aid aliens in their lawbreaking all likely contributed to the killing of Laken Riley, a 22-year-old Georgia nursing student. Her death is the result of United States policy enabling a criminally minded man who came here to press a bogus asylum claim.

The illegal immigrant, Jose Antonio Ibarra, who was arrested for her killing crossed the border into Texas on September 8, 2022. He was sent to a processing facility but was quickly “paroled” and released, as has become custom. He was chauffeured — at your expense — by bus to New York City. He was arrested in Queens for endangering the welfare of a child, his wife’s son, who had no restraint or helmet as he rode on the back of Ibarra’s moped. Normally when Immigration and Customs Enforcement learns that a removable illegal immigrant is arrested, it requests that local law enforcement keep the person in custody until he can be transferred to ICE and put in deportation proceedings. New York City released Ibarra before his detainer could be issued.

Every part of his story testifies to the barratry of the Biden administration and Democrats. Normal visitors and tourists to the United States have their backgrounds checked for criminal activity. But at the border, the Biden administration has incentivized everyone who wishes to come to America, but has no legal right to settle here, to claim asylum. Our lax enforcement encourages so many to come claiming asylum that we overwhelm the court system that adjudicates such claims. This overtopping of the system is then an excuse for “processing” entrants via an asylum officer, most often not a lawyer, and acting not upon the law but policies set by the Department of Homeland Security. Ibarra’s own marriage was confected, according to his estranged wife, to join and thereby strengthen their asylum cases. They were gaming the system. At every turn, Ibarra discovered that law in the United States is not seriously enforced.

Some commentators will say that immigrants have a lower crime rate than American citizens, and so in the Ibarra case we are dealing with a statistical outlier here. Even if this were true, it is a non sequitur. The Biden administration has a positive duty to defend our borders and to not incentivize lawbreaking. False asylum seekers often break several laws — not just illegally crossing our borders but working illegally, committing Social Security fraud, or obtaining other false identification documents. The crimes of those who have no right to be here should be counted against the authorities who knowingly enabled them to come and to stay. That starts with the Biden administration and extends to the cities.

Ibarra had no right to be in this country. Authorities had ample chances to do what the law of the land requires and bounce him back to Venezuela. They deliberately failed to do so. The Biden administration, through its malicious neglect and positive subversion of our immigration law, has made itself in effect, if not by the letter of the law, an accessory to Laken Riley’s murder.

youthathletics wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2024 7:27 pm Also crossed in El Paso which was wear much of the wall was being built, and ‘may’ have been completed, ahould construction had not been cancelled.

Ironically, the majority of Americans now want the wall. https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics ... e-popular/

a fan wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2024 1:40 pm

cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2024 1:14 pm What game are you talking about? You keep circling back to this being a republican concoction to maintain the status quo.

We've discussed this before. It's Simple: the Southern (and only the Southern) border has been the #1 issue for Republicans for YEARS.

Dems? it's not all that important to voters or Dem leadership. So yelling at them about it is pointless. It's just not all that important to them or their base.

That's it in a nutshell, cradle. The Dems don't see it as a priority. So yelling at them about the border would be like yelling at R's about abortion rights: a pointless exercise.

It's already out of the headlines, as I told you it would be. The R's have to keep finding "illegal immigrants that came here in exactly the last three years are murdering people" stories to keep the issue alive until November.

Good luck with that.

PizzaSnake wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2024 7:48 pm

youthathletics wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2024 7:27 pm Also crossed in El Paso which was wear much of the wall was being built, and ‘may’ have been completed, ahould construction had not been cancelled.

Ironically, the majority of Americans now want the wall. https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics ... e-popular/

If wishes were fishes...

Wall still won't work. Unless you are aiming to direct the migrants to the Sonoran kill box. That the plan?

youthathletics wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2024 8:18 pm

PizzaSnake wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2024 7:48 pm

youthathletics wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2024 7:27 pm Also crossed in El Paso which was wear much of the wall was being built, and ‘may’ have been completed, ahould construction had not been cancelled.

Ironically, the majority of Americans now want the wall. https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics ... e-popular/

If wishes were fishes...

Wall still won't work. Unless you are aiming to direct the migrants to the Sonoran kill box. That the plan?

Yes

old salt wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2024 4:44 pmCutting through the smokescreen, the only immigration bill passed by either house of Congress in recent history is HR2, which is still sitting on the table, waiting for the Senate & President to even consider it, then use it as a basis for negotiation, which is how a bill normally becomes a law.
obtw -- HR2 mandates E-verify.

old salt wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2024 4:44 pm How's the fake crisis at the border impacting things in Denver ? How is it impacting things like the cost of medical care, education & the availability of vocational training vs ESL remedial education ?

old salt wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2024 4:44 pm Do we not have enough migrants here now who entered illegally or via asylum, who are attempting to assimilate, learn English, & attain self-sufficiency? Should we not absorb them & put them to work before we leave the border open to continue to allow this volume of economic migrants to flood through the bogus asylum loophole ? Should they not be receiving health screenings & security/criminal record checks before being released into the interior ? How thorough is the screening of the sponsor/custodians who are taking custody of unaccompanied minors ?

jhu72 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2024 7:50 pm

a fan wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2024 1:40 pm

cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2024 1:14 pm What game are you talking about? You keep circling back to this being a republican concoction to maintain the status quo.

We've discussed this before. It's Simple: the Southern (and only the Southern) border has been the #1 issue for Republicans for YEARS.

Dems? it's not all that important to voters or Dem leadership. So yelling at them about it is pointless. It's just not all that important to them or their base.

That's it in a nutshell, cradle. The Dems don't see it as a priority. So yelling at them about the border would be like yelling at R's about abortion rights: a pointless exercise.

It's already out of the headlines, as I told you it would be. The R's have to keep finding "illegal immigrants that came here in exactly the last three years are murdering people" stories to keep the issue alive until November.

Good luck with that.

... just to reinforce your point, recent polling shows the southern border to be the #1 issue among the current republican party by a wide margin. It is barely #4 among the democratic base. The problem is and has been for a couple decades, the republican base insists on a whole loaf, they must get their way, everything they want. The democrats are and have been willing to give the republicans most of what they want, they will not agree to massive deportation of immigrants already in the US, established in communities and working within the system whether they are illegally here or not. They will not allow for deportation of those who the only complaint against them is they arrived illegally. The senate agreed on a bill that would solve the ongoing immigration process problems, making the situation a lot better. The republican base says no! It is all or nothing. Nothing has changed with the so called republican base in more than 20 years. The republican base is and has been making the problem worse for decades. This is not a democrat problem.

Th republican base, instead of compromise which would make the problem infinitely better, so called republicans think the solution is to take over the government, illegally, and install a dictator of their choice. Yeah, that will work. The republican base needs to grow the fu*k up. Stop acting like children.

PizzaSnake wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2024 8:20 pm

youthathletics wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2024 8:18 pm

PizzaSnake wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2024 7:48 pm

youthathletics wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2024 7:27 pm Also crossed in El Paso which was wear much of the wall was being built, and ‘may’ have been completed, ahould construction had not been cancelled.

Ironically, the majority of Americans now want the wall. https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics ... e-popular/

If wishes were fishes...

Wall still won't work. Unless you are aiming to direct the migrants to the Sonoran kill box. That the plan?

Yes

Well, I can't say I approve of your sociopathy, but at least you're honest about it.

youthathletics wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2024 8:18 pm

PizzaSnake wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2024 7:48 pm

youthathletics wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2024 7:27 pm Also crossed in El Paso which was wear much of the wall was being built, and ‘may’ have been completed, ahould construction had not been cancelled.

Ironically, the majority of Americans now want the wall. https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics ... e-popular/

If wishes were fishes...

Wall still won't work. Unless you are aiming to direct the migrants to the Sonoran kill box. That the plan?

Yes

a fan wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2024 8:48 pm

old salt wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2024 4:44 pmCutting through the smokescreen, the only immigration bill passed by either house of Congress in recent history is HR2, which is still sitting on the table, waiting for the Senate & President to even consider it, then use it as a basis for negotiation, which is how a bill normally becomes a law.
obtw -- HR2 mandates E-verify.

So why didn't they pass this under Trump? It's awesome, right? So....what happened?

Because Durbin & Schimer stormed out of the negotiations & blew up the gang of 8 compromise bill when Trump make his sh!t-hole county remark. Trump was willing to go aling with citizenship for the DACA Dreamers.

old salt wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2024 4:44 pm How's the fake crisis at the border impacting things in Denver ? How is it impacting things like the cost of medical care, education & the availability of vocational training vs ESL remedial education ?

Me and my family? Not even a little. I'm all set, thank you for asking.
Let them eat cake.

TrumpNation? The working class? The last 40 years of immigration and sh*tty VISA system has hurt them, yep. Farmers can't get workers. Immigrants can't pay full taxes because you think we should keep the status quo, and not give them the ability to pay taxes. Wage theft is promoted.

All while the coastal libs pull further and further ahead of TrumpNation.
That's why farmers & working class voters are going for Trump. Even your former UAW neighbors in MI.
You're so much smarter than them. knowing what's good for them.

Yet you and your pals DESPERATELY want to convince yourselves that this problem started on Jan 6th, 2021. It's SO stupid. But please, by all means, keep blaming Biden for the decades of infrastructure and VISA-program neglect. This petty game is working great! Keep it up!!
Despite all your bluster, you fail to acknowledge the obvious. That Biden, & the Progressive Dems he is beholden to, want open borders. Trump & his GOP supporters want to secure the border & regain control of our immigration process which has devolved into a criminal enterprise exploited by Mexican cartels that are tolerated by a corrupt Mexican govt that depends on remittances from their citizens working in the US.

old salt wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2024 4:44 pm Do we not have enough migrants here now who entered illegally or via asylum, who are attempting to assimilate, learn English, & attain self-sufficiency? Should we not absorb them & put them to work before we leave the border open to continue to allow this volume of economic migrants to flood through the bogus asylum loophole ? Should they not be receiving health screenings & security/criminal record checks before being released into the interior ? How thorough is the screening of the sponsor/custodians who are taking custody of unaccompanied minors ?

And there it is: you lecturing me about how immigration and our VISA system was flawless, and there wasn't one single solitary person here in the US illegally until January of 2021. Yeah. That's what I've been saying. I've been complaining about the asylum loophole scam since it started. At least Trump (& Obama w/ Jeh Johnson before him) did everything in their power to block it. Biden teamed with the cartels, the open border Dems & funded the NGO's to exploit it. Everything was awesome, until big-bad-Biden wrecked it all.

You're the poster boy for why the Reform Bills get killed. And why HR2 wasn't simply written, and easily passed when Trump was in power.
It would not have gotten enough Dem votes in the Senate to reach the necessary 60 vote threshold. Just like the latest compromise bill won't.

They want you mad. They want you to blame Dems for all of it. They want you to give us excuses as to why this is A. the most important topic in American History, while at the same time, B. "gee whiz, the R's just can't fix it, and it's all the Dems fault".
It is the most important topic if you're dodging stray bullets.

And here you are......doing exactly as they want. Exactly as you are told.
Keep your head on a swivel for crossfire in Dem governed sanctuary jurisdictions.
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Too close for comfort. A few years back I went to that neighborhood to pick up a couple dogs to foster for a suddenly homeless young woman. They were great dogs & reunited with their loving owner in 6 mos after she was in a new situation.