Re: Brown 2024
Posted: Sat Apr 27, 2024 1:59 pm
Congrats to the 4 ILT teams. Let's see how 5,6, & 7 perform later today.
bearlaxfan wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2024 9:15 am Third one-goal loss in a row to Harvard.
Good effort by both teams in a meaningless game.
All-Ivy is decided by numbers just in league games, correct? Wonder who. Should be some HMs at least. Who does the voting?
What's next for the program? I've heard the 2024 class is good; plenty of 4*s.
Question for former players: once you committed, how much attention did you pay to that school's performance? If they looked bad, was it "ohh yes, I could see the field a lot and be part of the turn-around ?" Or was it "yeesh is my potential going to be hurt by this mess !"
Or was it more "I enjoyed my visits & liked the guys. Not an issue to me"?
I coached a no-star kid... he committed to an Ivy in the fall of his senior year, IL made him a 3-star later that month.bearlaxfan wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2024 9:06 am "Hello? (Hello? Hello? Hello?)
Is there anybody in there?
Just nod if you can hear me
Is there anyone home?
Come on now
I hear you're feeling down...".
3 attack in incoming class as currently listed on Inside Lacrosse. (1) 4*, (2) 3*. Biggest position of need judging by this year's eyetest.
How much help next year from this year's attack sideliners? They say Fr-to-Soph is generally the biggest improvement (sometimes Jr-to-Sr) so maybe the current group has some guys who will get on the field next year. Attack was so anemic this year I assume that could be a reach: they would have been on the field this year, right?
BTW, in the Ivies, is any recruit not at least a 3*?
Silly comment. If by solid player at Tufts, you mean baseball…Daly never played lacrosse. Anyway, plenty of D3 players/coaches have been successful as coaches in D1, Kirwan now an example (Pressler, Tierney and on and on…).gymman1031 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2024 3:09 pm The latest example of how playing and coaching in a competitive DI Conference is a totally different "animal". Daly was a solid player for Tufts and rocked it as a coach there. But, upon his arrival at Brown, he had no experience in DI as either a coach or a player.
I was not aware that he never played lacrosse. Yes, some D3 coaches have been successful in DI. However, plenty of them haven't either.SouthieLax wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2024 3:33 pmSilly comment. If by solid player at Tufts, you mean baseball…Daly never played lacrosse. Anyway, plenty of D3 players/coaches have been successful as coaches in D1, Kirwan now an example (Pressler, Tierney and on and on…).gymman1031 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2024 3:09 pm The latest example of how playing and coaching in a competitive DI Conference is a totally different "animal". Daly was a solid player for Tufts and rocked it as a coach there. But, upon his arrival at Brown, he had no experience in DI as either a coach or a player.
PS-Not all, but LOTS of those D3 coaches who did well in DI went in having previous experience as very successful ASSISTANT COACHES in high levels of DI. Or at least had experience playing in DI. When I said "either a coach or a player" at the top, I mean as an assistant when it comes to coaches, too.gymman1031 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2024 3:39 pmI was not aware that he never played lacrosse. Yes, some D3 coaches/players have been successful in DI. However, plenty of them haven't either.SouthieLax wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2024 3:33 pmSilly comment. If by solid player at Tufts, you mean baseball…Daly never played lacrosse. Anyway, plenty of D3 players/coaches have been successful as coaches in D1, Kirwan now an example (Pressler, Tierney and on and on…).gymman1031 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2024 3:09 pm The latest example of how playing and coaching in a competitive DI Conference is a totally different "animal". Daly was a solid player for Tufts and rocked it as a coach there. But, upon his arrival at Brown, he had no experience in DI as either a coach or a player.
gymman1031 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2024 3:44 pmPS-Not all, but LOTS of those D3 coaches who did well in DI went in having previous experience as very successful ASSISTANT COACHES in high levels of DI. Or at least had experience playing in DI. When I said "either a coach or a player" at the top, I mean as assistants when it comes to coaches, too.gymman1031 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2024 3:39 pmI was not aware that he never played lacrosse. Yes, some D3 coaches/players have been successful in DI. However, plenty of them haven't either.SouthieLax wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2024 3:33 pmSilly comment. If by solid player at Tufts, you mean baseball…Daly never played lacrosse. Anyway, plenty of D3 players/coaches have been successful as coaches in D1, Kirwan now an example (Pressler, Tierney and on and on…).gymman1031 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2024 3:09 pm The latest example of how playing and coaching in a competitive DI Conference is a totally different "animal". Daly was a solid player for Tufts and rocked it as a coach there. But, upon his arrival at Brown, he had no experience in DI as either a coach or a player.
PPS-Even if Dartmouth looked improved, there is no way of knowing whether or not Kirwan will be super successful there.
That is true. In fact, more often than not, great players in any sport don't do well as head coaches.ncaalax2010 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2024 4:13 pm I have seen a lot more great D1 players who sucked as coaches at the college level.
It's been 8 years and a losing record overall. Just out of curiosity when in your mind would the gun go off?ncaalax2010 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2024 4:11 pm Ridiculous comments about D3 and not being able to coach at that level. So many have before, and there are so many examples. It comes down to having the right guys in the locker room and building chemistry and belief from the team and administration. Lastly, and most importantly, at the Ivy level, get your alumni to believe in you and support you! If you miss one of those, then it is hard to win.
Let's not forget Andy Shay was a D2 guy and was on the verge of being out at Yale after a rough first six years. It was bad; look it up. Barely had two winning seasons and lasted most of those other years. I give Yale credit; they stayed with him, which turned out pretty well for Yale and Coach Shay.
I believe Brown jumped the gun in this case. No surprising!