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But I fail to see what value “common parlance” has with respect to any subject of control and allocation of resources within a society or community. That’s just air. The substance is in the dialectic not the heuristics.
That was my original point -- "white rage" is a recently emerging buzzword, used to hype an orchestrated narrative that Jan 6th was caused by "white rage".
Before Gen Milley's outburst, how often had you read the term "white rage" without attribution to Carol Anderson.
Now watch how often you read or hear it going forward, without attribution to it's author.
It's right out of the Dem's playbook -- attribute everything to race. Continue to promote tribal divisions & resentment.
Then when there's pushback, shout "racist" & "angry old white man". Tedious & predictable. It's wearing people out.
So it’s not about this growing minority majority because the term is new? That’s exactly what the coup attempt was about. Fear of losing a privileged position due almost exclusively to race. Dave Chappelle has a joke in a more recent stand up special where he was honest and funny saying he’d rather be a poor white dude than a rich black guy. Sad but funny with how he delivered it. I’m sure you don’t believe it or would find a way to dismiss it and everything many black people would tell you but that means something important to society. I’d understand not getting it as I’m sure I don’t really get it fully but with empathy and introspection I see that there’s an imbalance that’s not based on anything other than race. Defining the nature, depth and value/cost of it could be debated but blanket rejection like your position is untenable without circular logic and stretching the definitions of words and linguistic gymnastics along with marketing and heuristics to arrive at. Ride the wave and see how you might be able to leverage it for the benefit of yourself and greater good of society rather than rage against the tide my man.
The supposed "coup" was about Trump losing the election, nothing more. Given the nature of your posts, you seem to be the one dealing with rage. I've been immersed in our changing society for the past 5 decades, doing what I could, in my military & civilian positions, to alter the imbalance & make equal opportunity & affirmative action real, rather than just HR slogans. I'm proud of the progress our nation has made, as articulated in the video clips of Shelby Steele which I linked. That progress is being jeopardized by the divisiveness which is being stoked for partisan political advantage. The violence & crime are counter productive & hurt the cause. Past grievances are being used to rationalize violence & condone criminal activity. It's driving our society further apart.
+1 great post OS. IMO this should be nominated for the fanlax post of the year. It probably contains too much wisdom and common sense for that to ever happen.
Agreed. Not bad, coming from the forum "cult" member.
I'm a cult member? Who knew?
Am I a victim of FLP outrage? Can I sue someone??
Sorry C&S, was referring to OS who's been compared to a cult victim/member on here due to his unacceptable views.
My bad, most of the OS detractors never in their lifetimes were willing to write that check. They have the audacity to think their FLP college degrees empowered them with knowledge and wisdom that life experience never bestowed upon them. I am under the belief that is why they believe themselves to have more military knowledge than OS. I personally enjoy reading them making idiots of themselves with their ignorance and stupidity. The never get tired of being taken out behind the woodshed.
Yep. Unless someone has skin in the game, it's all just opinion/speculation.
huh? who doesn't have "skin in the game" on the insurrection?
Wasn't referring to "insurrection," but you know that.
And are you really saying that only those who served some decades ago in the military have 'skin in the game' on how the military is run???
No. But those who served as opposed to those who didn't, have an intrinsic POV that should be considered, specifically vets on this board who are of your generation. But you knew that too.
Or are you saying that the military should ignore civilian "opinions"?
If the sole purpose of the military is to protect the country, I'd prefer to see a focused military with the resolve to do so, insulated from ideologies that will most likely weaken that resolve.
Listen, I argue over and over and over again that we should look to experts who are part of institutions and institutional processes that test and validate their expertise, test their 'knowledge' on a continuing basis...not whack jobs who claim false expertise and are unwilling to be part of such of institutional processes...and that includes how the military is run, national defense issues, etc.
An Institution's reliability depends only on how markedly, or not, it's been corrupted.
nope, I didn't "know that"...see the question mark?
We were specifically discussing Milley's comments, including about 'white rage' on Jan 6, implications for military leadership, (and BTW, Tucker Carlson's response to such, the racist POS twit).
so, when you comment on "skin in the game" as something Salty has but others don't, it's a fair question as to What the F you're saying.
On those who served (in the military) versus those who didn't of course I weigh their perspective and I want to understand it best I can. No argument there. But if you're making the mistake so many do that such 'service' decades ago forever anoints them as 'experts' beyond their specific experiences, or gives them some sort of moral high ground by mere fact of 'service', I reject that.
As to the mission of the military, we're actually quite in agreement...where we part is that I look at Milley as the expert (not me, not you, and not Salty...much less the twit on Fox) and when he is saying that leadership includes understanding the people being led, how to inspire them to be the very best at making sure the mission is accomplished, that matters, indeed resonates with everything I know about leadership in other areas. So, if the CoS tells us that it's important for him and other military leaders, including those being trained to be military leaders at service academies, to be well read, to understand the people being led, that understanding history that informs leadership is essential, and even to examine and understand the ideologies of those with whom we compete and sometimes bleed...I'm gonna look to
that expert for his judgment and weigh it heavily. Doesn't mean that I don't question and challenge a military leader about their judgment on a specific matter, given that this country is civilian-led, not military led, but I'd weigh very heavily their judgment based on their experience and expertise.
And here you go again making the assertion that institutions have been "corrupted". The whole point of these institutional processes is that they continuously challenge 'knowledge' and do so as fundamental to their institutional process. They admit where knowledge' needs to be amended, updated, even tossed out wholesale, as new learning occurs.
None of that means that mistakes aren't made and that individuals and even groups can't be corrupt. But the institutional process of challenging 'knowledge' to be based on provable, repeatable facts and experience is critical to the credibility of the institutional process.
You've promoted some stuff on here based on the 'opinions' of people who have not subjected themselves to such processes nearly as rigorously as those who are actual 'experts'. All under the cover that somehow the processes themselves have been 'corrupted'.
We disagree.
half correct analysis. There's little doubt that the younger generation isn't going to put up with Army bases named after Confederate Generals and the like.
...in the military, to boot. 