Re: The Mueller Investigation
Posted: Tue Mar 26, 2019 10:09 pm
And the same morons believed both.
And the same morons believed both.
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Re: The Mueller Investigation
Posted: Tue Mar 26, 2019 10:14 pm
Who appointed Mueller? What party is Mueller?
Your party created this. The left jumped on board, giddy that it may lead to something. They're certainly a part of it, but they didn't create the monster you all voted into office.
If Trump hadn't been so stupid with his campaign's meetings and his statements regarding Comey and Russia, we would have never had the special investigation.
Your party created this. The left jumped on board, giddy that it may lead to something. They're certainly a part of it, but they didn't create the monster you all voted into office.
If Trump hadn't been so stupid with his campaign's meetings and his statements regarding Comey and Russia, we would have never had the special investigation.
Re: The Mueller Investigation
Posted: Tue Mar 26, 2019 10:27 pm
Ban facebook. It's for the children, and if it saves just one life, it's worth it.
But it seems google is much more of a player in helping change election votes with misinformation with search manipulation. run by a roosian?
Re: The Mueller Investigation
Posted: Tue Mar 26, 2019 10:34 pm
Hillary paid for the fake dossier that the Obama DOJ used to start the "investigation" into roosian coooolllluuuusssssiiiiioon.holmes435 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 26, 2019 10:14 pm Who appointed Mueller? What party is Mueller?
Your party created this. The left jumped on board, giddy that it may lead to something. They're certainly a part of it, but they didn't create the monster you all voted into office.
If Trump hadn't been so stupid with his campaign's meetings and his statements regarding Comey and Russia, we would have never had the special investigation.
Re: The Mueller Investigation
Posted: Tue Mar 26, 2019 10:36 pm
And interestingly enough it's the EU who is leading the fight against all these organizations in terms of wanting better privacy, security, fairness and objectivity in search results and more. Those dang socialists and their bad ideas!laxman3221 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 26, 2019 10:27 pmBan facebook. It's for the children, and if it saves just one life, it's worth it.
But it seems google is much more of a player in helping change election votes with misinformation with search manipulation. run by a roosian?
The EU did just screw up a major copyright restriction vote though. They're certainly far from perfect.
Re: The Mueller Investigation
Posted: Tue Mar 26, 2019 10:38 pm
How many parts have been disproven and how many have been verified? At last count the verified parts are far ahead of anything being disproven.laxman3221 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 26, 2019 10:34 pmHillary paid for the fake dossier that the Obama DOJ used to start the "investigation" into roosian coooolllluuuusssssiiiiioon.holmes435 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 26, 2019 10:14 pm Who appointed Mueller? What party is Mueller?
Your party created this. The left jumped on board, giddy that it may lead to something. They're certainly a part of it, but they didn't create the monster you all voted into office.
If Trump hadn't been so stupid with his campaign's meetings and his statements regarding Comey and Russia, we would have never had the special investigation.
More importantly, the special investigation, started by Republicans and run by a Republican, wasn't based on the dossier. Don't get your news from Facebook
Investigations into Russian interference started before the dossier, and McConnell didn't want to look into it.
Re: The Mueller Investigation
Posted: Tue Mar 26, 2019 11:15 pm
But none of that is the basis for the accusations of obstruction of justice against Trump.dislaxxic wrote: ↑Tue Mar 26, 2019 9:38 pm THREE TIMES WILLIAM BARR SAID TRADING PARDONS FOR FALSE TESTIMONY WAS OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE
I think jhu's prediction will hold up...
Barr's own words:
"Obviously, the President and any other official can commit obstruction in this classic sense of sabotaging a proceeding’s truth-finding function. Thus, for example, if a President knowingly destroys or alters evidence, suborns perjury, or induces a witness to change testimony, or commits any act deliberately impairing the integrity or availability of evidence, then he, like anyone else, commits the crime of obstruction."
No allegations of witness tampering, bribery or destruction of evidence.
In the Leahy question, offering a pardon in exchange for false testimony would be witness tampering or suborning perjury.
Had Mueller found sufficient evidence to support that, it's not likely that he would have punted on obstruction.
It's based on obstruction by twitter, misleading public statements, campaign jokes & firing an incompetent leaking FBI Director.
Re: The Mueller Investigation
Posted: Tue Mar 26, 2019 11:24 pm
The proven parts of the dossier is the stuff already available via open sources or already reported.holmes435 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 26, 2019 10:38 pmHow many parts have been disproven and how many have been verified? At last count the verified parts are far ahead of anything being disproven.laxman3221 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 26, 2019 10:34 pmHillary paid for the fake dossier that the Obama DOJ used to start the "investigation" into roosian coooolllluuuusssssiiiiioon.holmes435 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 26, 2019 10:14 pm Who appointed Mueller? What party is Mueller?
Your party created this. The left jumped on board, giddy that it may lead to something. They're certainly a part of it, but they didn't create the monster you all voted into office.
If Trump hadn't been so stupid with his campaign's meetings and his statements regarding Comey and Russia, we would have never had the special investigation.
More importantly, the special investigation, started by Republicans and run by a Republican, wasn't based on the dossier. Don't get your news from Facebook
Investigations into Russian interference started before the dossier, and McConnell didn't want to look into it.
Not the stuff that Steele got from his Russian contacts.
This breaks down the origins of the dossier, piece by piece. Refute it.
Since when do the FBI or IC need the Senate majority leaders permission to do their jobs ?Steele did not discover anything. He simply echoed the narrative that the Clinton campaign was already spouting, folding it into a document that he stamped “intelligence report.” The subsequent investigation by U.S. intelligence agencies, which concluded that Russia was behind the hacking, does not corroborate Steele. He was just repeating what lots of people were saying.
This is the Steele pattern. Where he made original allegations, those claims either cannot be verified or have been convincingly denied: e.g., the pee tape, Page’s meetings in Russia with Putin operatives, the purported Michael Cohen trip to Prague. But where Steele made assertions that are apparently true, they do not involve original discoveries unearthed by his network of sources. Rather, they are either (a) occurrences that were unhidden and easily knowable by anyone (e.g., Page’s very public July 2016 trip to Russia — as to which he was instructed by the Trump campaign that he was on his own, not representing the campaign) or (b) claims that many other people were already making (e.g., that Russia hacked the DNC emails and passed them to WikiLeaks for dissemination).
Steele’s project was not intelligence-gathering. It was the crafting of a campaign narrative about a traitorous Trump–Russia espionage conspiracy, into which new developments were melded as they occurred. That’s why Steele and Simpson peddled the information to the media at the same time Steele was feeding it to the FBI and the Justice Department. Even Steele does not claim his reports were factual; in the British libel proceedings against him, he describes them as “unverified” “raw intelligence” that “warranted further investigation.”
The Clinton campaign’s Steele dossier was the sheer spinning of rank rumor.
Re: The Mueller Investigation
Posted: Tue Mar 26, 2019 11:37 pm
So the dossier wasn't fake, like laxman claimed? A lot of it was actually true, according to your link? A dossier is a collection of information about someone, whether found first-hand or otherwise. Has anything been proven to be fake?old salt wrote: ↑Tue Mar 26, 2019 11:24 pmThe proven parts of the dossier is the stuff already available via open sources or already reported.holmes435 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 26, 2019 10:38 pmHow many parts have been disproven and how many have been verified? At last count the verified parts are far ahead of anything being disproven.laxman3221 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 26, 2019 10:34 pmHillary paid for the fake dossier that the Obama DOJ used to start the "investigation" into roosian coooolllluuuusssssiiiiioon.holmes435 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 26, 2019 10:14 pm Who appointed Mueller? What party is Mueller?
Your party created this. The left jumped on board, giddy that it may lead to something. They're certainly a part of it, but they didn't create the monster you all voted into office.
If Trump hadn't been so stupid with his campaign's meetings and his statements regarding Comey and Russia, we would have never had the special investigation.
More importantly, the special investigation, started by Republicans and run by a Republican, wasn't based on the dossier. Don't get your news from Facebook
Investigations into Russian interference started before the dossier, and McConnell didn't want to look into it.
Not the stuff that Steele got from his Russian contacts.
This breaks down the origins of the dossier, piece by piece. Refute it.
Since when do the FBI or IC need the Senate majority leaders permission to do their jobs ?
And like I said, the dossier wasn't 'used to start the "investigation" into roosian coooolllluuuusssssiiiiioon'
We don't need Steele's Russian contacts to know that Trump's campaign was meeting with Russians, in contact with them a lot, and that the Trump organization was getting funding from Russians for years. Trump's own people are literally on the record about that stuff.
The bar has been lowered to an embarrassing height for Republicans in who they will support as their leader.
Re: The Mueller Investigation
Posted: Wed Mar 27, 2019 1:00 am
You're playing the -- when did you stop beating your wife game.holmes435 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 26, 2019 11:37 pmSo the dossier wasn't fake, like laxman claimed? A lot of it was actually true, according to your link? A dossier is a collection of information about someone, whether found first-hand or otherwise. Has anything been proven to be fake?old salt wrote: ↑Tue Mar 26, 2019 11:24 pmThe proven parts of the dossier is the stuff already available via open sources or already reported.holmes435 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 26, 2019 10:38 pmHow many parts have been disproven and how many have been verified? At last count the verified parts are far ahead of anything being disproven.laxman3221 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 26, 2019 10:34 pmHillary paid for the fake dossier that the Obama DOJ used to start the "investigation" into roosian coooolllluuuusssssiiiiioon.holmes435 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 26, 2019 10:14 pm Who appointed Mueller? What party is Mueller?
Your party created this. The left jumped on board, giddy that it may lead to something. They're certainly a part of it, but they didn't create the monster you all voted into office.
If Trump hadn't been so stupid with his campaign's meetings and his statements regarding Comey and Russia, we would have never had the special investigation.
More importantly, the special investigation, started by Republicans and run by a Republican, wasn't based on the dossier. Don't get your news from Facebook
Investigations into Russian interference started before the dossier, and McConnell didn't want to look into it.
Not the stuff that Steele got from his Russian contacts.
This breaks down the origins of the dossier, piece by piece. Refute it.
Since when do the FBI or IC need the Senate majority leaders permission to do their jobs ?
And like I said, the dossier wasn't 'used to start the "investigation" into roosian coooolllluuuusssssiiiiioon'
We don't need Steele's Russian contacts to know that Trump's campaign was meeting with Russians, in contact with them a lot, and that the Trump organization was getting funding from Russians for years. Trump's own people are literally on the record about that stuff.
The bar has been lowered to an embarrassing height for Republicans in who they will support as their leader.
Steele makes assertions that he cannot prove. That are denied, with corroboration, but because they can't be proven false, you blindly accept them.
That's not the way things work. I could accuse you of anything, without proof, then demand you disprove it.
Like the Moscow tape with hookers or Cohen in Prague -- no witnesses, no documentation, while Cohen denies it under oath & has witnesses who corroborate his presence elsewhere,
Page made a speech in Moscow but there was no proof that he received the outlandish bribe offer that Steele claims.
It's not credible that 19% of Rosnet would be given up.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/paulroderi ... 4bee968674According to an “associate,” Sechin was so keen to lift personal and corporate Western sanctions that he offered Page an unusual bribe. This was “the brokerage of up to a 19 per cent (privatized) stake in Rosneft in return.” In other words, a chunk of Rosneft was being sold off.
No sums were mentioned. But a privatization on this scale would be the biggest in Russia for years. Any brokerage fee would be substantial, in the region of tens and possibly hundreds of millions of dollars. Page “expressed interest” and confirmed that were Trump to become US president, “then sanctions on Russia would be lifted,” Steele wrote.
Re: The Mueller Investigation
Posted: Wed Mar 27, 2019 7:35 am
This is far from over, despite the Trumpist claims based on Barr's spin document.
Nor is the BS being peddled that the investigation was due to the dossier accurate, rather than Trump's and his cronies' actions and lies.
The right wing propaganda machine is just that, propaganda.
Yes, despite all of Trump's refusals to admit it, the Russians had an active campaign to influence the election to Trump's benefit and to hurt his opponent given the likelihood that she would be the next President. Propaganda, hacking, release of selectively damaging info, all of that established. Yet, Trump denied it how many times?
Yes, the Russians sought and had kompromat on Trump, at a minimum his efforts to do the most lucrative deal of his career in Moscow and lying to cover that up. Perhaps more, including the discussions in Trump Tower and other channels. So many lies, which the Russians knew were lies. Kompromat.
That's what we do know, with or without indictments (and much of that is based on the actual indictments and plea agreements).
That's considered 'victory' by the Trumpists.
Nor is the BS being peddled that the investigation was due to the dossier accurate, rather than Trump's and his cronies' actions and lies.
The right wing propaganda machine is just that, propaganda.
Yes, despite all of Trump's refusals to admit it, the Russians had an active campaign to influence the election to Trump's benefit and to hurt his opponent given the likelihood that she would be the next President. Propaganda, hacking, release of selectively damaging info, all of that established. Yet, Trump denied it how many times?
Yes, the Russians sought and had kompromat on Trump, at a minimum his efforts to do the most lucrative deal of his career in Moscow and lying to cover that up. Perhaps more, including the discussions in Trump Tower and other channels. So many lies, which the Russians knew were lies. Kompromat.
That's what we do know, with or without indictments (and much of that is based on the actual indictments and plea agreements).
That's considered 'victory' by the Trumpists.
Re: The Mueller Investigation
Posted: Wed Mar 27, 2019 8:25 am
We can now thank Chicago States attorney, Smollett, and Trump, that lying is the way of the land. In a strange turn of events Smollett did not even have to go through any investigation or trial to have his record expunged and sealed, not to be overlooked....law enforcement had video proof. Footnote, the collusion of the Obama Crime syndicate , appears to have also helped in the matter. Community Organizing at its best.....Chicago Style.
, appears to have also helped in the matter. Community Organizing at its best.....Chicago Style.Re: The Mueller Investigation
Posted: Wed Mar 27, 2019 8:57 am
Quite right. Quite sad.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 27, 2019 7:35 am This is far from over, despite the Trumpist claims based on Barr's spin document.
Nor is the BS being peddled that the investigation was due to the dossier accurate, rather than Trump's and his cronies' actions and lies.
The right wing propaganda machine is just that, propaganda.
Yes, despite all of Trump's refusals to admit it, the Russians had an active campaign to influence the election to Trump's benefit and to hurt his opponent given the likelihood that she would be the next President. Propaganda, hacking, release of selectively damaging info, all of that established. Yet, Trump denied it how many times?
Yes, the Russians sought and had kompromat on Trump, at a minimum his efforts to do the most lucrative deal of his career in Moscow and lying to cover that up. Perhaps more, including the discussions in Trump Tower and other channels. So many lies, which the Russians knew were lies. Kompromat.
That's what we do know, with or without indictments (and much of that is based on the actual indictments and plea agreements).
That's considered 'victory' by the Trumpists.
Randy and other Trump Apologists attack the Dossier so vociferously because they believe that it caused the start of the investigation, which, in that lizard brain approach, makes the entire investigation illegitimate and subject to dismissal.
Ain't gonna happen. I doubt The Don will be impeached, but the D's will continue to shine the bright light of accusation, innuendo and shame upon this buffoon and his henchmen leading, i am fairly certain, to their demise in the 2020 reckoning. Anything could happen, but as Shrub Bush famously exclaimed: "Fool Me Twice, Shame on You"
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Re: The Mueller Investigation
Posted: Wed Mar 27, 2019 9:07 am
This is bizarre, the story today is how the EU is falling all over themselves to get in good with Xi during his visit to the EU. Do they want privacy, or not?? I have a son living in Shanghai, there are things you just don't say over the phone or in an email, it is all being listened to or read. Really eye-opening.holmes435 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 26, 2019 10:36 pm
And interestingly enough it's the EU who is leading the fight against all these organizations in terms of wanting better privacy, security, fairness and objectivity in search results and more. Those dang socialists and their bad ideas!
The EU did just screw up a major copyright restriction vote though. They're certainly far from perfect.
Re: The Mueller Investigation
Posted: Wed Mar 27, 2019 9:10 am
holmes435 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 26, 2019 10:36 pm
And interestingly enough it's the EU who is leading the fight against all these organizations in terms of wanting better privacy, security, fairness and objectivity in search results and more. Those dang socialists and their bad ideas!
The EU did just screw up a major copyright restriction vote though. They're certainly far from perfect.
This is bizarre. The story today is how the EU leaders are all falling over themselves to get in good with Xi during his visit to the EU. I have a son living in Shanghai, there are things you just don't say on the phone or put in an email, it is all listened to or read. Quite eye-opening. You have to wonder if the EU really wants privacy or not.
Re: The Mueller Investigation
Posted: Wed Mar 27, 2019 10:26 am
The plot thickens.....Obama intervened in Ukraine giving Soros a free pass. Drip-Drip-Drip
Re: The Mueller Investigation
Posted: Wed Mar 27, 2019 10:36 am
THE ROGER STONE INDICTMENT PROVES BARR’S MEMO UNDERSTATES TRUMP FLUNKIES’ COMPLICITY
That's right: "Barr has already failed the test of whether he can summarize Mueller’s results in good faith"
Drip, drip, drip...
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That's right: "Barr has already failed the test of whether he can summarize Mueller’s results in good faith"
Drip, drip, drip...
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Re: The Mueller Investigation
Posted: Wed Mar 27, 2019 10:37 am
Do us a favor youth...start your OWN tinfoil hat conspiracy theory thread for all things Obama/Clinton, willya?? Sheesh!youthathletics wrote: ↑Wed Mar 27, 2019 10:26 am The plot thickens.....Obama intervened in Ukraine giving Soros a free pass. Drip-Drip-Drip
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Re: The Mueller Investigation
Posted: Wed Mar 27, 2019 10:38 am
Get back to me when someone other than a right wing blogger who's second job is a Faux News arsonist is reporting this.youthathletics wrote: ↑Wed Mar 27, 2019 10:26 am The plot thickens.....Obama intervened in Ukraine giving Soros a free pass. Drip-Drip-Drip
Re: The Mueller Investigation
Posted: Wed Mar 27, 2019 10:45 am
She has been correct through all this. You are just not accustomed to reading truth on your news sources.jhu72 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 27, 2019 10:38 amGet back to me when someone other than a right wing blogger who's second job is a Faux News arsonist is reporting this.youthathletics wrote: ↑Wed Mar 27, 2019 10:26 am The plot thickens.....Obama intervened in Ukraine giving Soros a free pass. Drip-Drip-Drip
