Wait until the government goes after the companies polluting, contributing to climate change and causing a health crisis with all the stuff injected into our food supply.
Re: Orange Duce
Posted: Tue Apr 23, 2019 4:28 pm
by DMac
Standing O x2, 'bout efin time!
Guys spend years behind bars for selling some pot and these guys profit bigly from the hard drugs.
Still a zillion and one ads on TV daily pushin' drugs...Big Pharma needs to be neutered.
We are not much interested today in building such expressions of transcendence.
How at the supposed apex of Western technology, science, and affluence could a sudden inferno devour the spire, roof, and some of the interior icons of the nearly 800-year-old cathedral, itself perched on the bank of a river, and the survivor of centuries of desecrations, remodels, expansions, and repairs, when the arts of preservation, fire prevention and response, and engineering were supposedly backward by our standards?
Logically or not, many saw the fire as a curtain call for the West, or at least an eclipse of the ancient marriage of European Christian belief and scientific brilliance that together produced the most impressive and beautiful expressions of Western transcendence.
In our smug era of high tech and conspicuous consumption, Western Europeans and Americans do not build Christian cathedrals anymore. Our challenge is simply to keep standing — at least sort of — what we inherited.
Others who are less blessed materially but more confident spiritually certainly do build. Indeed, some of world’s mammoth and most impressive churches today often rival in size and ambition the great cathedrals of medieval Europe. Yet they are 20th- or 21st-century creations. And they are outside of Western Europe and the United States... (In contrast, monumental mosques, not cathedrals, arise in Europe, such as those of the past few decades in Cologne, London, Rome, and Rotterdam.)
Perhaps Europe and America will claim that they need no such monumental churches at this late age‚ either because they have a long history of building them all over Europe and North America, or because the abject decline in religious observance would make them empty shells upon completion. In a society where Facebook and twitter are to nourish souls, who needs naves and stained glass? ...and so we lack the skill to preserve them. Ancient European cathedrals are viewed mostly as sources of lucrative tourist income, but they are nonetheless usually shorted of necessary maintenance. So as much as we seek to kill the tourist Golden Goose, we still assume that its buttresses and domes are both useful and hard to finish off.
In truth, Western elites are no longer particularly good builders of even secular things, at least in the fashion of our impoverished Depression-era grandfathers who started and finished the Golden Gate bridge and the Hoover Dam within five years. At times, of course, we can rise to the occasion; the new One World Trade Center was in the end a stunning accomplishment... But for the most part, we can scarcely maintain what others built long ago.
I write this not far from Fresno, Calif., where a concrete overpass stands scarcely a quarter built over the edge of the city, an unfinished testament to a failed, decade-long, $6 billion high-speed-rail line that will never be completed as envisioned; in our lifetime, we will probably never see a foot of track built on this route to nowhere, even if it’s far shorter than the original grandiose plans. The concrete pillars seem a sort of modern-day ugly version of Stonehenge. In a few decades, our youth will wonder who built these strange monoliths and for what superstitious purpose. Since the cancellation of the project a few months, ago, weeds and graffiti already dot the bases of some of the piers, reminding one of St. Jerome’s anguished early-fifth-century a.d. letter on the wastage in Rome in the age of growing barbarism.
Instead, the contemporary West is in an age not of builders but dismantlers. We topple statues by night and rename streets, squares, and buildings — now judged wanting by our postmodern, always metastasizing standards of race, class, and gender — to virtue-signal our angst over our preindustrial moral superiors. Most silently acknowledge that few of us could have endured the physical hardship, pain, or danger of guiding three tiny 15th-century caravels across the Atlantic or could have walked the length of California founding missions. Discovering the New World was difficult, but a dunce can topple Columbus’s statue. How many contemporary American monumental buildings will last for the next 800 years?
Our legacy is not spires or stained glass but nocturnal ropes around the necks of the bronze statues of dead people and the defacement or removal of names... Still, even for those who shrilly, amid the smoke and cinders, profess a dislike of Notre Dame, and of the French past, a sense of loss lingers. Is it the frustration over something that they know is larger than themselves, a monument that they silently concede that they could never build or even properly maintain, one that antedates them and will outlast them and all their transient ideas? In their nihilistic angst, do they catch a glimpse of something higher and recall that “Beauty is truth, truth beauty, —that is all / Ye know on earth, and all ye need to know”?
Re: Orange Duce
Posted: Wed Apr 24, 2019 5:33 am
by jhu72
VDH doing what he does best, erecting strawmen, then knocking them down. Major yawn.
Re: Orange Duce
Posted: Wed Apr 24, 2019 5:46 am
by jhu72
a fan wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 4:18 pm
And on the bad news front, we have this quote from 6ftstick from just 4 days ago.
6ftstick wrote: ↑Fri Apr 19, 2019 8:41 am
Barack said ISIS was the new norm we had to learn to live with it. Now they're gone no more beheadings or crucifixions. No more territory. no more caliphate. Guess Barry was wrong and you supported him.
So you were saying, 6ft, about how Trump defeated ISIS..... that boast of yours lasted a matter of hours.
Turns out, shockingly, ISIS doesn't care what the party affiliation is of our President.
But I'm SURE you'll criticize Trump for this obvious failure on his part, right?
I seem to recall someone (multiple) predicting these terrorist fellows didn't need to occupy some patch of ground in order to be effective. If only I could remember who said that. Same someone (multiple) called this a game of wack-a-mole our military was playing. If only we had evicted these terrorist fellows from their desert vacation home sooner, everything would be just hunky-dunky.
We are not much interested today in building such expressions of transcendence.
How at the supposed apex of Western technology, science, and affluence could a sudden inferno devour the spire, roof, and some of the interior icons of the nearly 800-year-old cathedral, itself perched on the bank of a river, and the survivor of centuries of desecrations, remodels, expansions, and repairs, when the arts of preservation, fire prevention and response, and engineering were supposedly backward by our standards?
Logically or not, many saw the fire as a curtain call for the West, or at least an eclipse of the ancient marriage of European Christian belief and scientific brilliance that together produced the most impressive and beautiful expressions of Western transcendence.
In our smug era of high tech and conspicuous consumption, Western Europeans and Americans do not build Christian cathedrals anymore. Our challenge is simply to keep standing — at least sort of — what we inherited.
Others who are less blessed materially but more confident spiritually certainly do build. Indeed, some of world’s mammoth and most impressive churches today often rival in size and ambition the great cathedrals of medieval Europe. Yet they are 20th- or 21st-century creations. And they are outside of Western Europe and the United States... (In contrast, monumental mosques, not cathedrals, arise in Europe, such as those of the past few decades in Cologne, London, Rome, and Rotterdam.)
Perhaps Europe and America will claim that they need no such monumental churches at this late age‚ either because they have a long history of building them all over Europe and North America, or because the abject decline in religious observance would make them empty shells upon completion. In a society where Facebook and twitter are to nourish souls, who needs naves and stained glass? ...and so we lack the skill to preserve them. Ancient European cathedrals are viewed mostly as sources of lucrative tourist income, but they are nonetheless usually shorted of necessary maintenance. So as much as we seek to kill the tourist Golden Goose, we still assume that its buttresses and domes are both useful and hard to finish off.
In truth, Western elites are no longer particularly good builders of even secular things, at least in the fashion of our impoverished Depression-era grandfathers who started and finished the Golden Gate bridge and the Hoover Dam within five years. At times, of course, we can rise to the occasion; the new One World Trade Center was in the end a stunning accomplishment... But for the most part, we can scarcely maintain what others built long ago.
I write this not far from Fresno, Calif., where a concrete overpass stands scarcely a quarter built over the edge of the city, an unfinished testament to a failed, decade-long, $6 billion high-speed-rail line that will never be completed as envisioned; in our lifetime, we will probably never see a foot of track built on this route to nowhere, even if it’s far shorter than the original grandiose plans. The concrete pillars seem a sort of modern-day ugly version of Stonehenge. In a few decades, our youth will wonder who built these strange monoliths and for what superstitious purpose. Since the cancellation of the project a few months, ago, weeds and graffiti already dot the bases of some of the piers, reminding one of St. Jerome’s anguished early-fifth-century a.d. letter on the wastage in Rome in the age of growing barbarism.
Instead, the contemporary West is in an age not of builders but dismantlers. We topple statues by night and rename streets, squares, and buildings — now judged wanting by our postmodern, always metastasizing standards of race, class, and gender — to virtue-signal our angst over our preindustrial moral superiors. Most silently acknowledge that few of us could have endured the physical hardship, pain, or danger of guiding three tiny 15th-century caravels across the Atlantic or could have walked the length of California founding missions. Discovering the New World was difficult, but a dunce can topple Columbus’s statue. How many contemporary American monumental buildings will last for the next 800 years?
Our legacy is not spires or stained glass but nocturnal ropes around the necks of the bronze statues of dead people and the defacement or removal of names... Still, even for those who shrilly, amid the smoke and cinders, profess a dislike of Notre Dame, and of the French past, a sense of loss lingers. Is it the frustration over something that they know is larger than themselves, a monument that they silently concede that they could never build or even properly maintain, one that antedates them and will outlast them and all their transient ideas? In their nihilistic angst, do they catch a glimpse of something higher and recall that “Beauty is truth, truth beauty, —that is all / Ye know on earth, and all ye need to know”?
That guy is a loser. I didn't know until I saw him speaking. What an idol you got there! dude should stick with old military strategy and less contemporary issues but my guess is it doesn’t pay as well!!! Took me 2 minutes to see through his bullsheet.
a fan wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 4:18 pm
And on the bad news front, we have this quote from 6ftstick from just 4 days ago.
6ftstick wrote: ↑Fri Apr 19, 2019 8:41 am
Barack said ISIS was the new norm we had to learn to live with it. Now they're gone no more beheadings or crucifixions. No more territory. no more caliphate. Guess Barry was wrong and you supported him.
So you were saying, 6ft, about how Trump defeated ISIS..... that boast of yours lasted a matter of hours.
Turns out, shockingly, ISIS doesn't care what the party affiliation is of our President.
But I'm SURE you'll criticize Trump for this obvious failure on his part, right?
Thought better of you than taking some kind of satisfaction from a terrorist strike.
If you think a bomb going off on a soft undefended target In Sri Lanka is the same as ISIS filming and posting prisoners in orange jump suits being drowned/ burned alive in cages; or, same as daily tortures, beheadings and crucifixions across 40,000 share miles of their own territory then there's nothing we have to discuss.
I think children—and journalists—in the mideast especially christian children are safer today then they ever were under Barack Obama.
We are not much interested today in building such expressions of transcendence.
How at the supposed apex of Western technology, science, and affluence could a sudden inferno devour the spire, roof, and some of the interior icons of the nearly 800-year-old cathedral, itself perched on the bank of a river, and the survivor of centuries of desecrations, remodels, expansions, and repairs, when the arts of preservation, fire prevention and response, and engineering were supposedly backward by our standards?
Logically or not, many saw the fire as a curtain call for the West, or at least an eclipse of the ancient marriage of European Christian belief and scientific brilliance that together produced the most impressive and beautiful expressions of Western transcendence.
In our smug era of high tech and conspicuous consumption, Western Europeans and Americans do not build Christian cathedrals anymore. Our challenge is simply to keep standing — at least sort of — what we inherited.
Others who are less blessed materially but more confident spiritually certainly do build. Indeed, some of world’s mammoth and most impressive churches today often rival in size and ambition the great cathedrals of medieval Europe. Yet they are 20th- or 21st-century creations. And they are outside of Western Europe and the United States... (In contrast, monumental mosques, not cathedrals, arise in Europe, such as those of the past few decades in Cologne, London, Rome, and Rotterdam.)
Perhaps Europe and America will claim that they need no such monumental churches at this late age‚ either because they have a long history of building them all over Europe and North America, or because the abject decline in religious observance would make them empty shells upon completion. In a society where Facebook and twitter are to nourish souls, who needs naves and stained glass? ...and so we lack the skill to preserve them. Ancient European cathedrals are viewed mostly as sources of lucrative tourist income, but they are nonetheless usually shorted of necessary maintenance. So as much as we seek to kill the tourist Golden Goose, we still assume that its buttresses and domes are both useful and hard to finish off.
In truth, Western elites are no longer particularly good builders of even secular things, at least in the fashion of our impoverished Depression-era grandfathers who started and finished the Golden Gate bridge and the Hoover Dam within five years. At times, of course, we can rise to the occasion; the new One World Trade Center was in the end a stunning accomplishment... But for the most part, we can scarcely maintain what others built long ago.
I write this not far from Fresno, Calif., where a concrete overpass stands scarcely a quarter built over the edge of the city, an unfinished testament to a failed, decade-long, $6 billion high-speed-rail line that will never be completed as envisioned; in our lifetime, we will probably never see a foot of track built on this route to nowhere, even if it’s far shorter than the original grandiose plans. The concrete pillars seem a sort of modern-day ugly version of Stonehenge. In a few decades, our youth will wonder who built these strange monoliths and for what superstitious purpose. Since the cancellation of the project a few months, ago, weeds and graffiti already dot the bases of some of the piers, reminding one of St. Jerome’s anguished early-fifth-century a.d. letter on the wastage in Rome in the age of growing barbarism.
Instead, the contemporary West is in an age not of builders but dismantlers. We topple statues by night and rename streets, squares, and buildings — now judged wanting by our postmodern, always metastasizing standards of race, class, and gender — to virtue-signal our angst over our preindustrial moral superiors. Most silently acknowledge that few of us could have endured the physical hardship, pain, or danger of guiding three tiny 15th-century caravels across the Atlantic or could have walked the length of California founding missions. Discovering the New World was difficult, but a dunce can topple Columbus’s statue. How many contemporary American monumental buildings will last for the next 800 years?
Our legacy is not spires or stained glass but nocturnal ropes around the necks of the bronze statues of dead people and the defacement or removal of names... Still, even for those who shrilly, amid the smoke and cinders, profess a dislike of Notre Dame, and of the French past, a sense of loss lingers. Is it the frustration over something that they know is larger than themselves, a monument that they silently concede that they could never build or even properly maintain, one that antedates them and will outlast them and all their transient ideas? In their nihilistic angst, do they catch a glimpse of something higher and recall that “Beauty is truth, truth beauty, —that is all / Ye know on earth, and all ye need to know”?
That guy is a loser. I didn't know until I saw him speaking. What an idol you got there! dude should stick with old military strategy and less contemporary issues but my guess is it doesn’t pay as well!!! Took me 2 minutes to see through his bullsheet.
Wait until the government goes after the companies polluting, contributing to climate change and causing a health crisis with all the stuff injected into our food supply.
How is it possible we're all living 15 20 30 years longer than our grandfathers. With all these evil corporations and pharmaceutical companies that poison and kill their own children wives and mothers at every turn.
We better stop making any drugs don't you think. Then are kids can die in their 50s and 60's. And our grandkids maybe in their 40s.
Re: Orange Duce
Posted: Wed Apr 24, 2019 10:49 am
by a fan
6ftstick wrote: ↑Wed Apr 24, 2019 10:39 am
Thought better of you than taking some kind of satisfaction from a terrorist strike.
Says the guy who did just that when Obama was in charge.
Now you clutch your pearls and claim I'm being cold, because we have a little R in the White House.
6ftstick wrote: ↑Wed Apr 24, 2019 10:39 am
If you think a bomb going off on a soft undefended target In Sri Lanka is the same as ISIS .......
I think children—and journalists—in the mideast especially christian children are safer today then they ever were under Barack Obama.
I think the families of the dead in Sri Lanka would beg to differ.
Partisan nonsense. Both you and Trump claimed ISIS was defeated, and held Obama accountable for every single death that occurred from terrorism anywhere in the world....which is totally absurd. I called BS when you said it, and I'm calling BS now.
Now that a guy with a little R by his name is in office, you "magically" realize how stupid it is to hold the President of one country for the safety of every man, woman, and child that lives anywhere on the planet.
Re: Orange Duce
Posted: Wed Apr 24, 2019 10:50 am
by a fan
6ftstick wrote: ↑Wed Apr 24, 2019 10:46 am
How is it possible we're all living 15 20 30 years longer than our grandfathers.
Socialism. Medicare and Social security. Would you like to see the graphs that show this?
Wait until the government goes after the companies polluting, contributing to climate change and causing a health crisis with all the stuff injected into our food supply.
How is it possible we're all living 15 20 30 years longer than our grandfathers. With all these evil corporations and pharmaceutical companies that poison and kill their own children wives and mothers at every turn.
We better stop making any drugs don't you think. Then are kids can die in their 50s and 60's. And our grandkids maybe in their 40s.
6ftstick wrote: ↑Wed Apr 24, 2019 10:46 am
How is it possible we're all living 15 20 30 years longer than our grandfathers.
Socialism. Medicare and Social security. Would you like to see the graphs that show this?
Priceless
Re: Orange Duce
Posted: Wed Apr 24, 2019 11:36 am
by runrussellrun
seacoaster wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 2:49 pm
Respectfully, I think we are talking about a Standing Ovation for the United States Attorney for the Southern District of New York. In theory, anyway, the investigation and prosecutorial discretion/decision-making would not have involved the "Trump Administration." It's a very good development, but I think credit for this is due elsewhere.
Right, because tRump doesn't care about this issue and isn't in Georgia for it either . Of course, O blame ah appointed Geoffrey S. Berman, not tRump
old salt wrote: ↑Wed Apr 17, 2019 10:10 pm
The fact that you summarize Hanson's view of the historical contributions & flaws of the Catholic Church, based on his few words in that clip, reveals how reflexively judgmental & close minded you are.
That's absurd. VDH wasn't invited on to talk about the history lost to that fire. VDH was on that show to take pot shots at those who he thinks want to rewrite history...."the nasty libs". Return fire is fair game...he shot first.
I mean, come on. Can you name another current entity that wiped away more entire freaking cultures/civilizations than the Catholic Church? VDH made the most ironic complaints I've ever heard. Doubly so if you're bookish. It's at least worth a chuckle.
I just thought it was Christianity. Dutch Indonesia? Thank goodness the mormons are peaceful, just don't tell the survivors of Mountain Meadows Massacre about it.
Speaking of what have you done for me lately.......who (religion) has destroyed more art work and culture, in say....the past ten years?
6ftstick wrote: ↑Wed Apr 24, 2019 10:46 am
How is it possible we're all living 15 20 30 years longer than our grandfathers.
Socialism. Medicare and Social security. Would you like to see the graphs that show this?
Priceless
Ahh just the programs keep us living. Just government.
Not the diiscoveries not the medicines not the protocols.
You people really are something.
You realize that almost all drugs that get approved started out with .gov research money....when they turn out to be billion dollar blockbusters, we, the ones that funded the research, get nothing.
"A new study makes a strong case for the importance of government support for basic research: Federally funded studies contributed to the science that underlies every one of the 210 new drugs approved between 2010 and 2016."
6ftstick wrote: ↑Wed Apr 24, 2019 10:46 am
How is it possible we're all living 15 20 30 years longer than our grandfathers.
Socialism. Medicare and Social security. Would you like to see the graphs that show this?
Priceless
Ahh just the programs keep us living. Just government.
Not the diiscoveries not the medicines not the protocols.
You people really are something.
You realize that almost all drugs that get approved started out with .gov research money....when they turn out to be billion dollar blockbusters, we, the ones that funded the research, get nothing.
"A new study makes a strong case for the importance of government support for basic research: Federally funded studies contributed to the science that underlies every one of the 210 new drugs approved between 2010 and 2016."
because we read politicians talk about a repeal of the Bayh Dole act early 1980's....thanks CONGRESS.........it's just not on the Dems for Prez. websites yet. They haste away at not making hay, like AOC did in posting her awfully written FAQ about the green new deal.
Oh, wait, I see that Lizzie Warren mentioned the Bahy Dole act and white collar welfare, or was that OAC questioning the harvard Med school guy.
6ftstick wrote: ↑Wed Apr 24, 2019 10:46 am
How is it possible we're all living 15 20 30 years longer than our grandfathers.
Socialism. Medicare and Social security. Would you like to see the graphs that show this?
Priceless
Ahh just the programs keep us living. Just government.
Not the diiscoveries not the medicines not the protocols.
You people really are something.
You realize that almost all drugs that get approved started out with .gov research money....when they turn out to be billion dollar blockbusters, we, the ones that funded the research, get nothing.
"A new study makes a strong case for the importance of government support for basic research: Federally funded studies contributed to the science that underlies every one of the 210 new drugs approved between 2010 and 2016."
I quite agree with your point.
But not sure I'd go so far as to say we get "nothing". Hopefully the drugs actually do benefit us.
Not so sure about why we need 69 different ED drugs, but, yeah drug development, made possible by federally funded research, has a pretty darn good societal ROI.
On the other hand, how these drugs are priced here in the US and internationally sure as shooting deserves attention!
VDH is a real piece of work. It's like he can't open his mouth without unknowingly contradicting himself. This guy would fail his own seminars.
