The Biden - Harris Era.

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Seacoaster(1) wrote: Fri Jul 12, 2024 6:25 am
youthathletics wrote: Thu Jul 11, 2024 9:47 pm According to Biden this evening: https://x.com/lauraloomer/status/181154 ... a82I2GssRg
Nice work. Laura Loomer is mentally ill.
Agreed, wrt her work. Biden should not be confusing Harris with Trump and Zelensky with Putin. Our current POTUS is single handedly making a mockery of himself and therefor our county on the world stage. Makes you wonder who is really 'mentally ill' in allowing him to stay on.

And yet, the talk weeks and months ago, was that Trump would not leave office, yet Biden is doing the very thing...when by all accounts the majority agree he needs to leave.
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At this point....they want Trump to be POTUS. https://x.com/mazemoore/status/1811556042032992321
A fraudulent intent, however carefully concealed at the outset, will generally, in the end, betray itself.
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youthathletics wrote: Fri Jul 12, 2024 8:36 am
Seacoaster(1) wrote: Fri Jul 12, 2024 6:25 am
youthathletics wrote: Thu Jul 11, 2024 9:47 pm According to Biden this evening: https://x.com/lauraloomer/status/181154 ... a82I2GssRg
Nice work. Laura Loomer is mentally ill.
Agreed, wrt her work. Biden should not be confusing Harris with Trump and Zelensky with Putin. Our current POTUS is single handedly making a mockery of himself and therefor our county on the world stage. Makes you wonder who is really 'mentally ill' in allowing him to stay on.

And yet, the talk weeks and months ago, was that Trump would not leave office, yet Biden is doing the very thing...when by all accounts the majority agree he needs to leave.
Funny thing - you never say much of anything regarding the daily word salad Orange Fatso spews - wonder why that is? :?: :?: :?: :?: :?:
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Let's call it what it is--a Coverup on the Scale of Watergate

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Angry and stunned Democrats blame Biden’s closest advisers for shielding public from full extent of president’s decline

By MJ Lee, Jeff Zeleny, Kayla Tausche and Jamie Gangel, CNN

Thu July 11, 2024


At a star-studded fundraiser for President Joe Biden in Los Angeles last month, George Clooney wasn’t the only one who came away concerned about the president.

Even before Biden made remarks that night, whispers of concern rippled through the audience at the Peacock Theater about the president who had just arrived from a long flight from Italy. Some of the biggest donors at the $30 million fundraising event, who had waited in line to take pictures with Biden, expressed unease at how the president looked and carried himself.

“He was less cogent than usual,” said one attendee, who was surprised that during a smaller meeting with donors before the main event, Biden barely spoke. Instead, this person said, he left virtually all of the talking to former President Barack Obama, which struck some guests as unusual for a loquacious politician like Biden.

Biden’s appearance in California struck attendees as starkly different from a fundraising gala he attended in March at Radio City Music Hall in New York, one Democrat guest told CNN, when Biden appeared on stage with Obama and former President Bill Clinton.

“There is a marked difference in the president from the spring to the summer,” a senior Democrat told CNN. “He’s just not the same.”

Back in Washington, there have been clear signs throughout his term of Biden being increasingly stage-managed, with lists of talking points, names of questioners and drawings of where he should walk presented to him by aides. Ahead of closed-door Cabinet meetings that Biden attends, it is customary for Cabinet officials to submit questions and key talking points that they plan to present in front of Biden ahead of time to White House aides, two sources with direct knowledge told CNN.

“The entire display is kind of an act,” one of those sources told CNN. “They would come and say, ‘Hey, the president is going to call on you about 25 minutes in, and ask this question. What are the bullet points you’ll respond with?’”

The second source, who echoed that same description, said when Biden attends Cabinet meetings, they are “not free-wheeling, and pretty well-orchestrated.” And the meetings themselves are infrequent, with one Cabinet secretary telling CNN they are uncertain of Biden’s condition because they so rarely see him.

In fact, the last full Cabinet meeting took place on October 2, 2023. Sources also said Cabinet meetings during the Obama years, which Biden attended as vice president, were not pre-scripted this way.

‘This is going to get worse’
Even as the oldest sitting president in history, at 81, Biden’s halting performance at CNN’s presidential debate last month came as a serious shock to most inside the White House and across the administration, including senior officials who have known the president for years and regularly have private conversations and meetings with him.

CNN talked to more than two dozen current and former Democratic officials, donors and longtime Biden allies, all of whom spoke on condition of anonymity to avoid alienating Biden and discuss sensitive health matters verboten by the White House. While it’s clear the president had aged in the past year, none of them said they had seen the version of Biden, faltering and dazed, that showed up at last month’s debate.

In many of these conversations, sources blamed the president’s inner circle of advisers and family for what they said has become a painstakingly choreographed daily operation designed to prevent him from being in unscripted settings for extended periods of time.

“There’s this general sense of just, unbelievable holding your breath every time he does an event, every time he’s with people,” one top Democrat in close touch with Biden’s inner circle of advisers told CNN. This person added that some of those advisers have privately acknowledged: “This is going to get worse.”

That Democrat was blunt about how the president’s closest advisers have responded to any criticism or concerns expressed about the president – including his age and fitness: “Everyone who expresses any level of suspicion or contrary views? They call everyone and they beat the s*** out of them and say: ‘Stay on message.’”

At least one official involved in Biden’s debate prep at Camp David raised doubts about his ability after seeing how rehearsals were going, according to one source briefed on those preparations.

“It’s not like Biden’s inner circle didn’t know this,” one Democratic strategist close to the White House said of the extent of the president’s recent decline.

Campaign officials have rejected Clooney’s and other donors’ characterization of Biden at the Los Angeles fundraiser, with one senior Biden official who was in attendance telling CNN that while the president had in fact been tired that day, he was “animated and extremely present.”

As for Biden’s Cabinet meetings, the White House provided a statement from Agriculture Secretary Tom Vilsack – who also served under Obama – saying what is described in this story is “standard practice for any administration” because “there should not be surprise in Cabinet meetings.”

White House spokesman Andrew Bates defended the breadth of Biden’s engagements with the press, his travels and record. “Joe Biden has always said that it is fair for reporters to ask about his age and has always confidently shown his values, agenda, intelligence, and determination to the American people,” Bates said. “Officials who meet with him frequently have spoken to his sharpness and command.”

Bates did not specifically offer comment on sources telling CNN that Biden’s closest advisers are unaccepting of criticism or concerns about the president, including his age and health.

‘Drip, drip, drip’
After two weeks of defiance following the debate, Biden faces a growing number of calls to bow out of the 2024 race. Many of the sources who spoke to CNN said they expected that the pressure will keep building, as more and more Democratic lawmakers signal he should go.

“Expect a drip, drip, drip,” said one former Biden White House official.

It’s a crisis of potentially historic importance, with growing fears among Democrats that Biden could drag down the party’s ticket, threaten the quest for reclaiming their House majority and further complicate efforts to hold onto Senate control.

By Tuesday of this week, as frontline campaigns reviewed their own internal polling, it became clear that the concerns were widespread – and carried signs of sweeping down ballot damage, according to four Democratic campaign officials involved in key races.

“Erosion. Across the board,” one of the officials said.

President Joe Biden makes opening remarks during the NATO summit in Washington on Wednesday, July 10, 2024, next to NATO Attorney General Jens Stoltenberg, right, and British Prime Minister Keir Starmer, left. (AP Photo/Jacquelyn Martin)
President Joe Biden makes opening remarks during the NATO summit in Washington on Wednesday, July 10, 2024, next to NATO Attorney General Jens Stoltenberg, right, and British Prime Minister Keir Starmer, left. (AP Photo/Jacquelyn Martin) Jacquelyn Martin/AP
For Biden himself, the coming days are pivotal. His longtime ally, Nancy Pelosi, the former House speaker, said so herself when, during an appearance on MSNBC this week, she reopened the door to Biden’s decision, despite his insistence he is staying in the race.

The president’s news conference Thursday will be highly scrutinized, as donors and allies look for signs that Biden has the vigor to remain the Democratic candidate, as his campaign has argued.

Biden will hold further off-the-cuff engagements next week as he sits for another closely-watched network interview Monday with NBC News’ Lester Holt. He will also hit the campaign trail, seeking to bolster his stance with Latino and Black coalitions during a trip to Las Vegas.

No matter how Biden does, though, the damage of the debate is baked into the minds of a lot of Democrats who spoke to CNN.

“Blinders are off and everyone is aware,” one source close to the White House told CNN. “Numbers have changed; reality has changed; the people who make this all possible from a funding perspective are concerned; and your voters are telling you there’s a lack of enthusiasm.”

‘What’s your Plan B?’
Even last year, concern around Biden’s age was noticeable – and hardly a secret – among Democratic power circles.

Last September, at the ultra-private confab in Aspen, Colorado, known among attendees as “The Weekend,” Hollywood power broker and Democratic donor Ari Emanuel asked a pointed question of Ron Klain, Biden’s former chief of staff and longtime adviser.

“What’s your Plan B?” Emanuel yelled to Klain who was on stage for a panel discussion about the presidential race, according to two attendees. Given Biden’s age, Emanuel wanted to know what the Democrats’ back-up plan was heading into the primaries and how quickly it could be executed.

Klain, the attendees said, appeared exasperated in his response. “He’s the sitting president of the United States! What do you want me to do?”

As attendees rode a bus to another venue to hear Obama deliver a lunchtime speech, the chatter turned to Emanuel’s outburst, and the shared view that Biden, then 80, was getting over his skis: “Why doesn’t anyone protect this man?” one wondered aloud.

The exchange – which neither Emanuel nor Klain would confirm or deny – underscores the long-held reservations among influential Democrats about the viability of Biden months before the debate.

That same month, when Biden spoke at the Congressional Hispanic Caucus at their annual gala last September, attendees took notice of his slurring of words and at times, appearing confused. Some started to wonder: Is this more than just his stutter?

The thought among attendees who spoke to CNN was brushed aside – until the presidential debate.

“He’s declined,” one House Democratic lawmaker who attended the gala told CNN.

As a part of the White House’s response for this story, Bates also said “officials who meet with [Biden] frequently have spoken to his sharpness and command,” and shared the following quote from White House Middle East Coordinator Brett McGurk: “If what is being written now about President Biden were true, history would be very different.”

‘We all noticed it’
Advisers to the president have grown extraordinarily sensitive to how Biden will physically appear on camera. His team has sought to remedy for the president’s stiffened gait, which in more recent years has produced images of the president shuffling and taking shorter steps – universally understood signs of aging.

In the lead-up to last November’s summit between Biden and Chinese leader Xi Jinping in California, some senior officials vehemently argued that only photos – and not video – of the two men walking side-by-side should emerge from the historic meeting. They did not want the image of the president shuffling next to his younger Chinese counterpart to play on loop on TV news and circulate on social media.

Ultimately, after the conclusion of hours of meetings, the two men took a brief walk around the gardens of the Filoli estate. What the cameras caught of that walk lasted all but a minute – Biden flashed two thumbs-up to reporters before rounding the corner.

Bursts of activity are often followed by planned downtime which is fiercely protected on the president’s schedule.

The practice of planned downtime extends to overseas trips as well.

French officials involved in the planning of the June state visit said that the Biden team had requested two days of rest during the five-day trip. Those so-called “down days” allowed First Lady Jill Biden to travel back to Wilmington, Delaware, to hold forth in the courtroom during Hunter Biden’s trial on gun charges, but they also afforded the president large swaths of time to rest and prepare for the varied engagements on D-Day and in Paris with President Emmanuel Macron.

Biden returned to the US between the visit to France and the gathering of G-7 allies the following week, and during the interim days delivered remarks on gun safety and visited Wilmington to huddle with family following the conclusion of his son’s gun trial.

When he arrived in Italy days later, one European diplomat mentioned that his exhaustion was apparent, as it had become in many recent encounters.

“At the G7, it was obvious that he was old. At one point, he wanted to sit and there was no chair,” the diplomat said. “He was moving slowly. Stupid things, but they showed that he’s an old person who need assistance. We all noticed it.”

Eyes on Jill
Many of the Democratic sources who spoke to CNN expressed concerns and disappointment with Jill Biden for enabling the president’s defiant stance. But defenders of the first lady argue she will always be supportive of her spouse of 47 years and pushed back on recent criticisms of her since the debate.

“It’s unfair (and frankly ludicrous) to put the future of the Democratic Party on Jill Biden,” one ally of the president and first lady said. “She’s not elected, not a professional political advisor; she’s not a pollster, or a campaign manager. This is not to diminish her – she is a very consequential First Lady, and she has done incredible things as FLOTUS.”

The first lady remains the president’s closest adviser and fiercest protector – a role she’s long held but has taken on heightened significance as Biden has grappled with the debate fallout. She wields influence in the White House and campaign, and sits in on some of the president’s political meetings. As the president plots a path forward, sources have emphasized that no significant decisions will be made without her input.

Jill Biden’s campaign schedule has ramped up aggressively in recent weeks – coinciding with the end of the spring semester at the community college where she teaches English. A reluctant politician, Jill Biden has emerged as one of her husband’s top surrogates and fundraisers.

One Biden adviser, however, said that the first lady and the president’s sister, Valerie Biden Owens, are the only figures in the president’s orbit who could ultimately persuade him to exit the race, and only if they had hard data. “Jill and Valerie won’t let him go down in flames,” a Biden adviser said.


CNN’s Priscilla Alvarez, Kylie Atwood, Betsy Klein, Arlette Saenz and Phil Mattingly contributed to this report.

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youthathletics wrote: Fri Jul 12, 2024 8:36 am
Seacoaster(1) wrote: Fri Jul 12, 2024 6:25 am
youthathletics wrote: Thu Jul 11, 2024 9:47 pm According to Biden this evening: https://x.com/lauraloomer/status/181154 ... a82I2GssRg
Nice work. Laura Loomer is mentally ill.
Agreed, wrt her work. Biden should not be confusing Harris with Trump and Zelensky with Putin. Our current POTUS is single handedly making a mockery of himself and therefor our county on the world stage. Makes you wonder who is really 'mentally ill' in allowing him to stay on.

And yet, the talk weeks and months ago, was that Trump would not leave office, yet Biden is doing the very thing...when by all accounts the majority agree he needs to leave.
“The very thing”? Well, not leaving office after the electorate pretty resoundingly voted for your removal is different from not heeding calls to depart the stage mid-term or decline the nomination for the next election. You see, one is unlawful and unconstitutional and anti-American. The other is just, having it your way, a bad judgment call. You read too, too much right wing blather and it has apparently harmed your ability to discern even obvious differences like these. Laura Loomer for god’s sake.
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Here are 3 minutes straight of Donald Trump confusing and forgetting people's names, the names of cities he is in and more

https://x.com/MeidasTouch/status/1803555145311285517

Just in case you're basing your vote on that kind of stuff. :roll:

That's what we get when choosing between two 80 year olds.
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Seacoaster(1) wrote: Fri Jul 12, 2024 11:09 am
youthathletics wrote: Fri Jul 12, 2024 8:36 am
Seacoaster(1) wrote: Fri Jul 12, 2024 6:25 am
youthathletics wrote: Thu Jul 11, 2024 9:47 pm According to Biden this evening: https://x.com/lauraloomer/status/181154 ... a82I2GssRg
Nice work. Laura Loomer is mentally ill.
Agreed, wrt her work. Biden should not be confusing Harris with Trump and Zelensky with Putin. Our current POTUS is single handedly making a mockery of himself and therefor our county on the world stage. Makes you wonder who is really 'mentally ill' in allowing him to stay on.

And yet, the talk weeks and months ago, was that Trump would not leave office, yet Biden is doing the very thing...when by all accounts the majority agree he needs to leave.
“The very thing”? Well, not leaving office after the electorate pretty resoundingly voted for your removal is different from not heeding calls to depart the stage mid-term or decline the nomination for the next election. You see, one is unlawful and unconstitutional and anti-American. The other is just, having it your way, a bad judgment call. You read too, too much right wing blather and it has apparently harmed your ability to discern even obvious differences like these. Laura Loomer for god’s sake.
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Seacoaster(1) wrote: Fri Jul 12, 2024 11:09 am
youthathletics wrote: Fri Jul 12, 2024 8:36 am
Seacoaster(1) wrote: Fri Jul 12, 2024 6:25 am
youthathletics wrote: Thu Jul 11, 2024 9:47 pm According to Biden this evening: https://x.com/lauraloomer/status/181154 ... a82I2GssRg
Nice work. Laura Loomer is mentally ill.
Agreed, wrt her work. Biden should not be confusing Harris with Trump and Zelensky with Putin. Our current POTUS is single handedly making a mockery of himself and therefor our county on the world stage. Makes you wonder who is really 'mentally ill' in allowing him to stay on.

And yet, the talk weeks and months ago, was that Trump would not leave office, yet Biden is doing the very thing...when by all accounts the majority agree he needs to leave.
“The very thing”? Well, not leaving office after the electorate pretty resoundingly voted for your removal is different from not heeding calls to depart the stage mid-term or decline the nomination for the next election. You see, one is unlawful and unconstitutional and anti-American. The other is just, having it your way, a bad judgment call. You read too, too much right wing blather and it has apparently harmed your ability to discern even obvious differences like these. Laura Loomer for god’s sake.
Appreciate you not addressing the primary point of the post, which is often consistent. While hanging on to any portion that avoids actually discussing the matter which is right in front of you. Damned near your entire party and the media that protects all democrats has finally awaken....you, not so much, still in the slumber of 'its not trump' so you are content watching us circle the drain in front of the entire world.

Maybe I am reading the room incorrectly....and you are pissed at what is going on, and you just wont come out and admit it?
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Typical Lax Dad wrote: Fri Jul 12, 2024 11:29 am
Seacoaster(1) wrote: Fri Jul 12, 2024 11:09 am
youthathletics wrote: Fri Jul 12, 2024 8:36 am
Seacoaster(1) wrote: Fri Jul 12, 2024 6:25 am
youthathletics wrote: Thu Jul 11, 2024 9:47 pm According to Biden this evening: https://x.com/lauraloomer/status/181154 ... a82I2GssRg
Nice work. Laura Loomer is mentally ill.
Agreed, wrt her work. Biden should not be confusing Harris with Trump and Zelensky with Putin. Our current POTUS is single handedly making a mockery of himself and therefor our county on the world stage. Makes you wonder who is really 'mentally ill' in allowing him to stay on.

And yet, the talk weeks and months ago, was that Trump would not leave office, yet Biden is doing the very thing...when by all accounts the majority agree he needs to leave.
“The very thing”? Well, not leaving office after the electorate pretty resoundingly voted for your removal is different from not heeding calls to depart the stage mid-term or decline the nomination for the next election. You see, one is unlawful and unconstitutional and anti-American. The other is just, having it your way, a bad judgment call. You read too, too much right wing blather and it has apparently harmed your ability to discern even obvious differences like these. Laura Loomer for god’s sake.
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NattyBohChamps04 wrote: Fri Jul 12, 2024 11:18 am Here are 3 minutes straight of Donald Trump confusing and forgetting people's names, the names of cities he is in and more

https://x.com/MeidasTouch/status/1803555145311285517

Just in case you're basing your vote on that kind of stuff. :roll:

That's what we get when choosing between two 80 year olds.
.... exactly. Based on the voter's reaction to all this so far, the dems are being given a chance to fix there half of the problem. The republiCONs are not capable of fixing their part!!
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youthathletics wrote: Fri Jul 12, 2024 12:12 pm
Seacoaster(1) wrote: Fri Jul 12, 2024 11:09 am
youthathletics wrote: Fri Jul 12, 2024 8:36 am
Seacoaster(1) wrote: Fri Jul 12, 2024 6:25 am
youthathletics wrote: Thu Jul 11, 2024 9:47 pm According to Biden this evening: https://x.com/lauraloomer/status/181154 ... a82I2GssRg
Nice work. Laura Loomer is mentally ill.
Agreed, wrt her work. Biden should not be confusing Harris with Trump and Zelensky with Putin. Our current POTUS is single handedly making a mockery of himself and therefor our county on the world stage. Makes you wonder who is really 'mentally ill' in allowing him to stay on.

And yet, the talk weeks and months ago, was that Trump would not leave office, yet Biden is doing the very thing...when by all accounts the majority agree he needs to leave.
“The very thing”? Well, not leaving office after the electorate pretty resoundingly voted for your removal is different from not heeding calls to depart the stage mid-term or decline the nomination for the next election. You see, one is unlawful and unconstitutional and anti-American. The other is just, having it your way, a bad judgment call. You read too, too much right wing blather and it has apparently harmed your ability to discern even obvious differences like these. Laura Loomer for god’s sake.
Appreciate you not addressing the primary point of the post, which is often consistent. While hanging on to any portion that avoids actually discussing the matter which is right in front of you. Damned near your entire party and the media that protects all democrats has finally awaken....you, not so much, still in the slumber of 'its not trump' so you are content watching us circle the drain in front of the entire world.

Maybe I am reading the room incorrectly....and you are pissed at what is going on, and you just wont come out and admit it?
You are absolutely right: I (over)focused on the one really lunatic preposterous thing you said: that Biden's unwillingness to step down either as President or the nominee is the same as Trump's effort to overthrow the expressed will of the American people and remain in office by lying and cheating and committing crimes. You had to be called out on that, because, frankly, it is just a totally meat-headed thing to posit.

I am as torn as anyone else about President Biden. He is old, no doubt, and likely too old to be running for the Presidency no less operating as the President in the coming four years. But the imperative is to win; I really believe that the threat posed by a Trump second term -- without John Kelly, Jim Mattis and other relatively stout and normal people, replaced by Kash Patel, Jason Miller, Dan Bongino, Stephen Miller on a revenge tour, Ric Grenell, super toady, etc., etc., -- is a mortal one to the country. Particularly now, that the SCOTUS has conferred upon Presidents a very large swath of immunization from real consequences.

And you, a guy who talks a lot -- but never, ever walks -- the need for less division, are helping elect a guy whose entire basis for leadership is to divide, who calls me and folks who think like me the enemy and vermin, and who cares nothing for policy unless it will help him, personally, in some way. So I am torn, because it appears that the late replacement gambit may be worse than riding the horse we have to the finish line, for a caretaker, but largely democratic and American, presidency.
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youthathletics wrote: Fri Jul 12, 2024 12:12 pm
Seacoaster(1) wrote: Fri Jul 12, 2024 11:09 am
youthathletics wrote: Fri Jul 12, 2024 8:36 am
Seacoaster(1) wrote: Fri Jul 12, 2024 6:25 am
youthathletics wrote: Thu Jul 11, 2024 9:47 pm According to Biden this evening: https://x.com/lauraloomer/status/181154 ... a82I2GssRg
Nice work. Laura Loomer is mentally ill.
Agreed, wrt her work. Biden should not be confusing Harris with Trump and Zelensky with Putin. Our current POTUS is single handedly making a mockery of himself and therefor our county on the world stage. Makes you wonder who is really 'mentally ill' in allowing him to stay on.

And yet, the talk weeks and months ago, was that Trump would not leave office, yet Biden is doing the very thing...when by all accounts the majority agree he needs to leave.
“The very thing”? Well, not leaving office after the electorate pretty resoundingly voted for your removal is different from not heeding calls to depart the stage mid-term or decline the nomination for the next election. You see, one is unlawful and unconstitutional and anti-American. The other is just, having it your way, a bad judgment call. You read too, too much right wing blather and it has apparently harmed your ability to discern even obvious differences like these. Laura Loomer for god’s sake.
Appreciate you not addressing the primary point of the post, which is often consistent. While hanging on to any portion that avoids actually discussing the matter which is right in front of you. Damned near your entire party and the media that protects all democrats has finally awaken....you, not so much, still in the slumber of 'its not trump' so you are content watching us circle the drain in front of the entire world.

Maybe I am reading the room incorrectly....and you are pissed at what is going on, and you just wont come out and admit it?
Youth, that's an entirely baloney read.

You compared Trump and Biden. In a phone baloney comparison.

Seacoaster merely refuted it, which was easy peasy as it was such a dumb comparison. The dumb part is on you for posting it. That was your choice.

If you actually want to discuss whether Biden is in great shape and we can all be confident that his decline will not continue to the point of actual danger to the country, should he not step aside in time, I don't think you're going to find anyone, including Seacoaster, disagreeing with the concerns that have been raised about him showing his age so markedly more than 6 months ago.

Most posters that are moderate or lean left on here think there are better candidates to defeat Trump and to provide a better sense of multi-term governance for the Dems. They've said so.

But no matter how the conversation is framed, it still boils down to a binary choice of Biden or alternative VS Trump. That's who MAGA has chosen and is in lockstep behind, so that's the binary reality.

And Trump is a far worse mess of downright insanity and verbal gaffes and evil intentions than Biden is, even at Biden's clearly declined state.

And that makes it all the more essential for a Dem, any Dem, to defeat Trump.

And that's why there is some panic right now in the Dem circles and moderate I's and RINO circles as well. Biden is a definitely weakened candidate who doesn't exude the forward looking hope that voters crave and in an anti-incumbent period, change is wanted. Whether that's Harris or someone else the Dems can get organized around, Trump must be defeated.
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Seacoaster(1) wrote: Fri Jul 12, 2024 12:47 pm
youthathletics wrote: Fri Jul 12, 2024 12:12 pm
Seacoaster(1) wrote: Fri Jul 12, 2024 11:09 am
youthathletics wrote: Fri Jul 12, 2024 8:36 am
Seacoaster(1) wrote: Fri Jul 12, 2024 6:25 am
youthathletics wrote: Thu Jul 11, 2024 9:47 pm According to Biden this evening: https://x.com/lauraloomer/status/181154 ... a82I2GssRg
Nice work. Laura Loomer is mentally ill.
Agreed, wrt her work. Biden should not be confusing Harris with Trump and Zelensky with Putin. Our current POTUS is single handedly making a mockery of himself and therefor our county on the world stage. Makes you wonder who is really 'mentally ill' in allowing him to stay on.

And yet, the talk weeks and months ago, was that Trump would not leave office, yet Biden is doing the very thing...when by all accounts the majority agree he needs to leave.
“The very thing”? Well, not leaving office after the electorate pretty resoundingly voted for your removal is different from not heeding calls to depart the stage mid-term or decline the nomination for the next election. You see, one is unlawful and unconstitutional and anti-American. The other is just, having it your way, a bad judgment call. You read too, too much right wing blather and it has apparently harmed your ability to discern even obvious differences like these. Laura Loomer for god’s sake.
Appreciate you not addressing the primary point of the post, which is often consistent. While hanging on to any portion that avoids actually discussing the matter which is right in front of you. Damned near your entire party and the media that protects all democrats has finally awaken....you, not so much, still in the slumber of 'its not trump' so you are content watching us circle the drain in front of the entire world.

Maybe I am reading the room incorrectly....and you are pissed at what is going on, and you just wont come out and admit it?
You are absolutely right: I (over)focused on the one really lunatic preposterous thing you said: that Biden's unwillingness to step down either as President or the nominee is the same as Trump's effort to overthrow the expressed will of the American people and remain in office by lying and cheating and committing crimes. You had to be called out on that, because, frankly, it is just a totally meat-headed thing to posit.

I am as torn as anyone else about President Biden. He is old, no doubt, and likely too old to be running for the Presidency no less operating as the President in the coming four years. But the imperative is to win; I really believe that the threat posed by a Trump second term -- without John Kelly, Jim Mattis and other relatively stout and normal people, replaced by Kash Patel, Jason Miller, Dan Bongino, Stephen Miller on a revenge tour, Ric Grenell, super toady, etc., etc., -- is a mortal one to the country. Particularly now, that the SCOTUS has conferred upon Presidents a very large swath of immunization from real consequences.

And you, a guy who talks a lot -- but never, ever walks -- the need for less division, are helping elect a guy whose entire basis for leadership is to divide, who calls me and folks who think like me the enemy and vermin, and who cares nothing for policy unless it will help him, personally, in some way. So I am torn, because it appears that the late replacement gambit may be worse than riding the horse we have to the finish line, for a caretaker, but largely democratic and American, presidency.
I know one thing for certain, todays version of Joe Biden is roundly supported by all Republicans. He is damaged goods in their eyes and a much easier opponent to defeat. That being said that decision has already been made by Joe. He believes he is perfectly capable of doing the job for 4 more years. His own party seems to roundly disagree with their presidents assessment. What they see is Joe Biden leading them to defeat in November. There is a long way until November and nothing that might happen will surprise me.
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Re: The Biden - Harris Era.

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MDlaxfan76 wrote: Fri Jul 12, 2024 12:51 pm You compared Trump and Biden. In a phone baloney comparison.
I sure did, and intentionally did so, b/c the left went full blown hysteria at the 'hypothetical' of Trump not leaving. The difference, is that we clearly have a POTUS, in Office, with the majoity of the US wanted him to step aside....meaning, "he is not listening" to the people. Followed by, you and others only commenting on his dereliction of duty when backed in to a corner. So....you tell me, which scenario is full on real life scenario prescient vs. an hysteria driven narrative?
Seacoaster(1) wrote: Fri Jul 12, 2024 12:47 pm And you, a guy who talks a lot -- but never, ever walks -- the need for less division, are helping elect a guy whose entire basis for leadership is to divide, who calls me and folks who think like me the enemy and vermin, and who cares nothing for policy unless it will help him, personally, in some way. So I am torn, because it appears that the late replacement gambit may be worse than riding the horse we have to the finish line, for a caretaker, but largely democratic and American, presidency.
I have no clue what this even means. I am on record, you even commented my intentions are 'laudable'(your word towards me). Maybe your kryptonite is an inability to actually listen (not hear) what others say, rather than shoehorning them into what you believe they are or intend.

My posts, are often driven to kindle and establish some common ground, as I have shared before. ONly today, after our back and forth, have you ever commented on what we have all seen and witnessed with our current POTUS....so thank you.

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Re: The Biden - Harris Era.

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youthathletics wrote: Fri Jul 12, 2024 1:17 pm
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Fri Jul 12, 2024 12:51 pm You compared Trump and Biden. In a phone baloney comparison.
I sure did, and intentionally did so, b/c the left went full blown hysteria at the 'hypothetical' of Trump not leaving. The difference, is that we clearly have a POTUS, in Office, with the majoity of the US wanted him to step aside....meaning, "he is not listening" to the people. Followed by, you and others only commenting on his dereliction of duty when backed in to a corner. So....you tell me, which scenario is full on real life scenario prescient vs. an hysteria driven narrative?
Seacoaster(1) wrote: Fri Jul 12, 2024 12:47 pm And you, a guy who talks a lot -- but never, ever walks -- the need for less division, are helping elect a guy whose entire basis for leadership is to divide, who calls me and folks who think like me the enemy and vermin, and who cares nothing for policy unless it will help him, personally, in some way. So I am torn, because it appears that the late replacement gambit may be worse than riding the horse we have to the finish line, for a caretaker, but largely democratic and American, presidency.
I have no clue what this even means. I am on record, you even commented my intentions are 'laudable'(your word towards me). Maybe your kryptonite is an inability to actually listen (not hear) what others say, rather than shoehorning them into what you believe they are or intend.

My posts, are often driven to kindle and establish some common ground, as I have shared before. ONly today, after our back and forth, have you ever commented on what we have all seen and witnessed with our current POTUS....so thank you.

So, Trump's attempts to overturn the election, even after losing badly more than 50 court cases, attempting to intimidate his VP...that was Dem, or the left, "hysteria"??? Jan 6 was "hysteria"? And you think that's remotely "common ground"? Yikes.

We had an election. Trump lost...badly. Refused to admit it. Tried to overturn it, illegally.

Here we have some polls suggesting that a lot of people think Biden's too old to serve 4 years...but he hasn't lost an election...just some polls way before the campaign begins in earnest. And today we have polls actually showing him with a within the margin of error LEAD over Trump. Does that mean Trump should drop out?

And I'm a guy who thinks Biden should gracefully turn over the reins to Harris and then campaign hard for the Dem candidate. I said so over a year ago, though at that point I just thought he should declare 'victory' and open it to the field. Graceful, hero. Now, it feels very awkward and a little sad. But still think he should do so asap.
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MDlaxfan76 wrote: Fri Jul 12, 2024 5:03 pm
youthathletics wrote: Fri Jul 12, 2024 1:17 pm
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Fri Jul 12, 2024 12:51 pm You compared Trump and Biden. In a phone baloney comparison.
I sure did, and intentionally did so, b/c the left went full blown hysteria at the 'hypothetical' of Trump not leaving. The difference, is that we clearly have a POTUS, in Office, with the majoity of the US wanted him to step aside....meaning, "he is not listening" to the people. Followed by, you and others only commenting on his dereliction of duty when backed in to a corner. So....you tell me, which scenario is full on real life scenario prescient vs. an hysteria driven narrative?
Seacoaster(1) wrote: Fri Jul 12, 2024 12:47 pm And you, a guy who talks a lot -- but never, ever walks -- the need for less division, are helping elect a guy whose entire basis for leadership is to divide, who calls me and folks who think like me the enemy and vermin, and who cares nothing for policy unless it will help him, personally, in some way. So I am torn, because it appears that the late replacement gambit may be worse than riding the horse we have to the finish line, for a caretaker, but largely democratic and American, presidency.
I have no clue what this even means. I am on record, you even commented my intentions are 'laudable'(your word towards me). Maybe your kryptonite is an inability to actually listen (not hear) what others say, rather than shoehorning them into what you believe they are or intend.

My posts, are often driven to kindle and establish some common ground, as I have shared before. ONly today, after our back and forth, have you ever commented on what we have all seen and witnessed with our current POTUS....so thank you.

So, Trump's attempts to overturn the election, even after losing badly more than 50 court cases, attempting to intimidate his VP...that was Dem, or the left, "hysteria"??? Jan 6 was "hysteria"? And you think that's remotely "common ground"? Yikes.

We had an election. Trump lost...badly. Refused to admit it. Tried to overturn it, illegally.

Here we have some polls suggesting that a lot of people think Biden's too old to serve 4 years...but he hasn't lost an election...just some polls way before the campaign begins in earnest. And today we have polls actually showing him with a within the margin of error LEAD over Trump. Does that mean Trump should drop out?

And I'm a guy who thinks Biden should gracefully turn over the reins to Harris and then campaign hard for the Dem candidate. I said so over a year ago, though at that point I just thought he should declare 'victory' and open it to the field. Graceful, hero. Now, it feels very awkward and a little sad. But still think he should do so asap.
To your portion in bold and my origina back and forth with seacoaster.........I was referring to this type hypothetical GIsh Gallop of the left and Liz that ran rampant: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/_U7qLbuekHY
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youthathletics wrote: Fri Jul 12, 2024 5:11 pm
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Fri Jul 12, 2024 5:03 pm
youthathletics wrote: Fri Jul 12, 2024 1:17 pm
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Fri Jul 12, 2024 12:51 pm You compared Trump and Biden. In a phone baloney comparison.
I sure did, and intentionally did so, b/c the left went full blown hysteria at the 'hypothetical' of Trump not leaving. The difference, is that we clearly have a POTUS, in Office, with the majoity of the US wanted him to step aside....meaning, "he is not listening" to the people. Followed by, you and others only commenting on his dereliction of duty when backed in to a corner. So....you tell me, which scenario is full on real life scenario prescient vs. an hysteria driven narrative?
Seacoaster(1) wrote: Fri Jul 12, 2024 12:47 pm And you, a guy who talks a lot -- but never, ever walks -- the need for less division, are helping elect a guy whose entire basis for leadership is to divide, who calls me and folks who think like me the enemy and vermin, and who cares nothing for policy unless it will help him, personally, in some way. So I am torn, because it appears that the late replacement gambit may be worse than riding the horse we have to the finish line, for a caretaker, but largely democratic and American, presidency.
I have no clue what this even means. I am on record, you even commented my intentions are 'laudable'(your word towards me). Maybe your kryptonite is an inability to actually listen (not hear) what others say, rather than shoehorning them into what you believe they are or intend.

My posts, are often driven to kindle and establish some common ground, as I have shared before. ONly today, after our back and forth, have you ever commented on what we have all seen and witnessed with our current POTUS....so thank you.

So, Trump's attempts to overturn the election, even after losing badly more than 50 court cases, attempting to intimidate his VP...that was Dem, or the left, "hysteria"??? Jan 6 was "hysteria"? And you think that's remotely "common ground"? Yikes.

We had an election. Trump lost...badly. Refused to admit it. Tried to overturn it, illegally.

Here we have some polls suggesting that a lot of people think Biden's too old to serve 4 years...but he hasn't lost an election...just some polls way before the campaign begins in earnest. And today we have polls actually showing him with a within the margin of error LEAD over Trump. Does that mean Trump should drop out?

And I'm a guy who thinks Biden should gracefully turn over the reins to Harris and then campaign hard for the Dem candidate. I said so over a year ago, though at that point I just thought he should declare 'victory' and open it to the field. Graceful, hero. Now, it feels very awkward and a little sad. But still think he should do so asap.
To your portion in bold and my origina back and forth with seacoaster.........I was referring to this type hypothetical GIsh Gallop of the left and Liz that ran rampant: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/_U7qLbuekHY
Liz Cheney is now the "left"???

I said and say that I agree with Cheney...am I the "left" hysteria??? Hysteria???

The guy tried to do it. Tried hard.
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Re: The Biden - Harris Era.

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Seacoaster(1) wrote: Fri Jul 12, 2024 12:47 pm
youthathletics wrote: Fri Jul 12, 2024 12:12 pm
Seacoaster(1) wrote: Fri Jul 12, 2024 11:09 am
youthathletics wrote: Fri Jul 12, 2024 8:36 am
Seacoaster(1) wrote: Fri Jul 12, 2024 6:25 am
youthathletics wrote: Thu Jul 11, 2024 9:47 pm According to Biden this evening: https://x.com/lauraloomer/status/181154 ... a82I2GssRg
Nice work. Laura Loomer is mentally ill.
Agreed, wrt her work. Biden should not be confusing Harris with Trump and Zelensky with Putin. Our current POTUS is single handedly making a mockery of himself and therefor our county on the world stage. Makes you wonder who is really 'mentally ill' in allowing him to stay on.

And yet, the talk weeks and months ago, was that Trump would not leave office, yet Biden is doing the very thing...when by all accounts the majority agree he needs to leave.
“The very thing”? Well, not leaving office after the electorate pretty resoundingly voted for your removal is different from not heeding calls to depart the stage mid-term or decline the nomination for the next election. You see, one is unlawful and unconstitutional and anti-American. The other is just, having it your way, a bad judgment call. You read too, too much right wing blather and it has apparently harmed your ability to discern even obvious differences like these. Laura Loomer for god’s sake.
Appreciate you not addressing the primary point of the post, which is often consistent. While hanging on to any portion that avoids actually discussing the matter which is right in front of you. Damned near your entire party and the media that protects all democrats has finally awaken....you, not so much, still in the slumber of 'its not trump' so you are content watching us circle the drain in front of the entire world.

Maybe I am reading the room incorrectly....and you are pissed at what is going on, and you just wont come out and admit it?
You are absolutely right: I (over)focused on the one really lunatic preposterous thing you said: that Biden's unwillingness to step down either as President or the nominee is the same as Trump's effort to overthrow the expressed will of the American people and remain in office by lying and cheating and committing crimes. You had to be called out on that, because, frankly, it is just a totally meat-headed thing to posit.

I am as torn as anyone else about President Biden. He is old, no doubt, and likely too old to be running for the Presidency no less operating as the President in the coming four years. But the imperative is to win; I really believe that the threat posed by a Trump second term -- without John Kelly, Jim Mattis and other relatively stout and normal people, replaced by Kash Patel, Jason Miller, Dan Bongino, Stephen Miller on a revenge tour, Ric Grenell, super toady, etc., etc., -- is a mortal one to the country. Particularly now, that the SCOTUS has conferred upon Presidents a very large swath of immunization from real consequences.

And you, a guy who talks a lot -- but never, ever walks -- the need for less division, are helping elect a guy whose entire basis for leadership is to divide, who calls me and folks who think like me the enemy and vermin, and who cares nothing for policy unless it will help him, personally, in some way. So I am torn, because it appears that the late replacement gambit may be worse than riding the horse we have to the finish line, for a caretaker, but largely democratic and American, presidency.
After it’s said and done regardless of outcome the doemcrats shouldn’t be forgiven for how they played this since the 20 election.
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Re: The Biden - Harris Era.

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Farfromgeneva wrote: Sat Jul 13, 2024 2:55 pm
Seacoaster(1) wrote: Fri Jul 12, 2024 12:47 pm
youthathletics wrote: Fri Jul 12, 2024 12:12 pm
Seacoaster(1) wrote: Fri Jul 12, 2024 11:09 am
youthathletics wrote: Fri Jul 12, 2024 8:36 am
Seacoaster(1) wrote: Fri Jul 12, 2024 6:25 am
youthathletics wrote: Thu Jul 11, 2024 9:47 pm According to Biden this evening: https://x.com/lauraloomer/status/181154 ... a82I2GssRg
Nice work. Laura Loomer is mentally ill.
Agreed, wrt her work. Biden should not be confusing Harris with Trump and Zelensky with Putin. Our current POTUS is single handedly making a mockery of himself and therefor our county on the world stage. Makes you wonder who is really 'mentally ill' in allowing him to stay on.

And yet, the talk weeks and months ago, was that Trump would not leave office, yet Biden is doing the very thing...when by all accounts the majority agree he needs to leave.
“The very thing”? Well, not leaving office after the electorate pretty resoundingly voted for your removal is different from not heeding calls to depart the stage mid-term or decline the nomination for the next election. You see, one is unlawful and unconstitutional and anti-American. The other is just, having it your way, a bad judgment call. You read too, too much right wing blather and it has apparently harmed your ability to discern even obvious differences like these. Laura Loomer for god’s sake.
Appreciate you not addressing the primary point of the post, which is often consistent. While hanging on to any portion that avoids actually discussing the matter which is right in front of you. Damned near your entire party and the media that protects all democrats has finally awaken....you, not so much, still in the slumber of 'its not trump' so you are content watching us circle the drain in front of the entire world.

Maybe I am reading the room incorrectly....and you are pissed at what is going on, and you just wont come out and admit it?
You are absolutely right: I (over)focused on the one really lunatic preposterous thing you said: that Biden's unwillingness to step down either as President or the nominee is the same as Trump's effort to overthrow the expressed will of the American people and remain in office by lying and cheating and committing crimes. You had to be called out on that, because, frankly, it is just a totally meat-headed thing to posit.

I am as torn as anyone else about President Biden. He is old, no doubt, and likely too old to be running for the Presidency no less operating as the President in the coming four years. But the imperative is to win; I really believe that the threat posed by a Trump second term -- without John Kelly, Jim Mattis and other relatively stout and normal people, replaced by Kash Patel, Jason Miller, Dan Bongino, Stephen Miller on a revenge tour, Ric Grenell, super toady, etc., etc., -- is a mortal one to the country. Particularly now, that the SCOTUS has conferred upon Presidents a very large swath of immunization from real consequences.

And you, a guy who talks a lot -- but never, ever walks -- the need for less division, are helping elect a guy whose entire basis for leadership is to divide, who calls me and folks who think like me the enemy and vermin, and who cares nothing for policy unless it will help him, personally, in some way. So I am torn, because it appears that the late replacement gambit may be worse than riding the horse we have to the finish line, for a caretaker, but largely democratic and American, presidency.
After it’s said and done regardless of outcome the doemcrats shouldn’t be forgiven for how they played this since the 20 election.
Yes, I don’t disagree.
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Re: The Biden - Harris Era.

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This

https://x.com/stillgray/status/1813027980379365738

was part of this speech

https://x.com/PatrickG15_/status/1813034804956569804


My goodness, Harris is going to be thoroughly embarrassed by Vance in a Vice Presidential debate that might happen in as soon as a week.

"The campaigns have not yet agreed on a debate host or date.

The Biden campaign accepted an invitation from CBS News for a vice presidential debate for either July 23 or Aug. 13."

From a USA Today article
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