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Re: Who is supporting the immigrant caravan?

Posted: Tue Feb 06, 2024 6:15 am
by Kismet
old salt wrote: Mon Feb 05, 2024 7:42 pm
Kismet wrote: Mon Feb 05, 2024 4:22 pm
old salt wrote: Mon Feb 05, 2024 3:34 pm OK. I support it if it works the way Lankford & Sinema say it will & it compels Biden to comply with it.

It's not comprehensive reform & should not be sold as such. It's an emergency provision, addressing an emergency situation.

It does not fix our asylum laws. It may make the loophole smaller & harder to exploit.

I fear it's too late to pass it & that coupling it with aid to Ukraine/Israel/Taiwan/ME will now make it harder to pass.
Again, did you READ the bill? :oops:
Yes. I have.
and doing NOTHING as opposed to something is fine with you?
McConnell agrees with you - he just bailed on the bill after supporting it for weeks. How does one negotiate in good faith with folks like this?
Lankford is the one on the take -- its all the rest of them - puppets for Orange Fatso. Lankford gets thrown under the bus for trying to strike a deal to do something to address the problem. What message does THAT send?
HR 2 is not going to pass the Senate

Re: Who is supporting the immigrant caravan?

Posted: Tue Feb 06, 2024 6:47 am
by cradleandshoot
Kismet wrote: Tue Feb 06, 2024 6:15 am
old salt wrote: Mon Feb 05, 2024 7:42 pm
Kismet wrote: Mon Feb 05, 2024 4:22 pm
old salt wrote: Mon Feb 05, 2024 3:34 pm OK. I support it if it works the way Lankford & Sinema say it will & it compels Biden to comply with it.

It's not comprehensive reform & should not be sold as such. It's an emergency provision, addressing an emergency situation.

It does not fix our asylum laws. It may make the loophole smaller & harder to exploit.

I fear it's too late to pass it & that coupling it with aid to Ukraine/Israel/Taiwan/ME will now make it harder to pass.
Again, did you READ the bill? :oops:
Yes. I have.
and doing NOTHING as opposed to something is fine with you?

HR 2 is not going to pass the Senate
If at first you don't succeed, try try again.

Re: Who is supporting the immigrant caravan?

Posted: Tue Feb 06, 2024 7:07 am
by cradleandshoot
So let's get this strait. Bidens first action as POTUS was to roll back everything trump did at the border? The immigrants dutifully showed their appreciation in the only way they knew how. They resembled an army of ants making a beeline for that cookie dropped on the ground. Liberal mayors of liberal cities pounded their chests with pride. The plaque on the statue of liberty was oft quoted with great passion and enthusiasm. Then something odd happened. Texas started shipping the people they admire so much to their cities. How quickly their opinion changed when suddenly 10s of thousand of their new guests wound up on their doorstep. The rest of the story is still being made.

So why should anybody believe Biden when he pounds his desk and declares he will shut down the damn border if so many uninvited guests show up on any given day? It boggles the mind when people believe that is a promise he will ever keep. The key to any successful immigration policy has to start with the process being controlled and orderly. Anybody want to declare that the mess ongoing at the border is controlled and organized? The term FUBAR is what comes to mind. No need to worry, Joes got this :roll:

Re: Who is supporting the immigrant caravan?

Posted: Tue Feb 06, 2024 8:34 am
by MDlaxfan76
youthathletics wrote: Mon Feb 05, 2024 6:46 pm
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Mon Feb 05, 2024 6:36 pm
a fan wrote: Mon Feb 05, 2024 5:48 pm
youthathletics wrote: Mon Feb 05, 2024 5:32 pm According to Chuckie Schumer, if it dies, we'll be sending americans to fight against the russians. More scare tactics, rather than just doing what is right and itemize the bill. Our pols have demonstrably failed us.

Also, Lankford is BS artist...if you remember, he's the guy that said consent for a minor is fine at age 13. He's already been bought off.
We NEVER itemize bills, so that's a bit of a cop out....especially because both Israel and Ukraine will get their $$$ no matter what.

But again: you and Old Salt and your party are the ones telling us we have a crisis. You want to continue the status quo and wait for the "perfect bill"? Works for me.
youth's further taking his cues from Trump on Lankford. Just don't believe your lying eyes and ears.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/02/05/politics ... index.html

But man, how low can one go?
https://okcfox.com/news/local/james-lan ... craig-ladd

So, now the wing of Party that openly embraces people who think it's ok for adult men to marry underage girls has an issue with one of their most conservative Senators who thought a 13 year old could consent to sex with a 15 (actually, legally no, not under Oklahoma law, but reasonable people can disagree about whether it can actually happen)...though he would definitely not encourage his own daughters to do so...he just recognizes that they're independent beings with minds of their own.

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/p ... 234693670/

https://www.kansascity.com/news/politic ... 44525.html

https://www.businessinsider.com/mike-mo ... rry-2023-4

https://www.newsweek.com/republicans-ma ... ge-1786476

https://www.businessinsider.in/politics ... 838031.cms
I've argued against this long before this bill, stop piling on like a 13 year old at a slumber party....one that you seem comfortable making a decision on consent. :oops:
You’ve argued against what, child brides or against Ukraine funding or against border security or Langford in specific?

No, I’m not ok with 13 year old consent with an adult I’ve not been in favor of calling it rape if a 15 year old and 13 year old have sex they think is consensual. I do think it should be forbidden, but I’m not going to consider it the same as a pedophile crime.

Re: Who is supporting the immigrant caravan?

Posted: Tue Feb 06, 2024 5:41 pm
by youthathletics
This is how great leaders communicate….they gaslight.

https://x.com/endwokeness/status/175493 ... a82I2GssRg

Re: Who is supporting the immigrant caravan?

Posted: Tue Feb 06, 2024 5:43 pm
by Kismet
No less appropriate than looking a gift horse in the mouth and then taking a pass. :oops: :oops: :oops:

Pity poor Senator Lankford who not only gets thrown under the bus but then they back the bus up over him. :lol:

Re: Who is supporting the immigrant caravan?

Posted: Tue Feb 06, 2024 6:49 pm
by old salt
Kismet wrote: Tue Feb 06, 2024 6:15 am
old salt wrote: Mon Feb 05, 2024 7:42 pm
Kismet wrote: Mon Feb 05, 2024 4:22 pm
old salt wrote: Mon Feb 05, 2024 3:34 pm OK. I support it if it works the way Lankford & Sinema say it will & it compels Biden to comply with it.

It's not comprehensive reform & should not be sold as such. It's an emergency provision, addressing an emergency situation.

It does not fix our asylum laws. It may make the loophole smaller & harder to exploit.

I fear it's too late to pass it & that coupling it with aid to Ukraine/Israel/Taiwan/ME will now make it harder to pass.
Again, did you READ the bill? :oops:
Yes. I have.
and doing NOTHING as opposed to something is fine with you?
McConnell agrees with you - he just bailed on the bill after supporting it for weeks. How does one negotiate in good faith with folks like this?
Lankford is the one on the take -- its all the rest of them - puppets for Orange Fatso. Lankford gets thrown under the bus for trying to strike a deal to do something to address the problem. What message does THAT send?
HR 2 is not going to pass the Senate
...& there you go again, speaking on my behalf. Where did I say I'm fine with doing nothing. Did you even read my post ? I said I support it, despite it's numerous shortcomings, which Andy McCarthy detailed. It's an emergency & I think it might reduce the pull factors if parts of it are implemented

Biden can still start doing a lot of the things in the bill, under his existing powers, & if he needs it, ask for supplemental funding for things like more detention beds, deportation flights & immigration judges. I admire Simena, Lankford & Murphy for crafting a bipartisan compromise. It was a tactical error not to take up HR 2 & propose amendments & additions which yielded their compromise bill, emphasizing how much of HR 2 it contained.
I hope they keep at it in hopes of passing something in the post-election lame duck Congress. Whoever wins the WH could put it to good use. Their ideas don't need to go away. Lankford will be OK, he's not up for reelection until 2028...by then we'll either be a dictatorship or a socialist oligarchy.

Re: Who is supporting the immigrant caravan?

Posted: Tue Feb 06, 2024 6:59 pm
by Kismet
Mayorkas impeachment vote stunningly fails. Somebody get the Speaker a napkin to wipe the egg off of his face. :oops: He even had to endure a re-vote so it could fail again.

For Saltine, no matter how hard those folks you mention work, this anchor will remain in place as long as Orange Fatso is pulling the strings behind the scenes. After this debacle, nobody is going out on any kind of limb on this issue.

Re: Who is supporting the immigrant caravan?

Posted: Tue Feb 06, 2024 7:03 pm
by Seacoaster(1)
Kismet wrote: Tue Feb 06, 2024 6:59 pm Mayorkas impeachment vote stunningly fails. Somebody get the Speaker a napkin to wipe the egg off of his face. :oops: He even had to endure a re-vote so it could fail again.

For Saltine, no matter how hard those folks you mention work, this anchor will remain in place as long as Orange Fatso is pulling the strings behind the scenes. After this debacle, nobody is going out on any kind of limb on this issue.
They really are a laughable pack of fools. Imagine voting for these idiots.

Re: Who is supporting the immigrant caravan?

Posted: Tue Feb 06, 2024 7:24 pm
by Typical Lax Dad
youthathletics wrote: Tue Feb 06, 2024 5:41 pm This is how great leaders communicate….they gaslight.

https://x.com/endwokeness/status/175493 ... a82I2GssRg
That twitter feed is divisive. What does the bible say about people that traffic in divisiveness?

Re: Who is supporting the immigrant caravan?

Posted: Tue Feb 06, 2024 7:34 pm
by youthathletics
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Tue Feb 06, 2024 7:24 pm
youthathletics wrote: Tue Feb 06, 2024 5:41 pm This is how great leaders communicate….they gaslight.

https://x.com/endwokeness/status/175493 ... a82I2GssRg
That twitter feed is divisive. What does the bible say about people that traffic in divisiveness?
it certainly resembles the tone of your posts.

Re: Who is supporting the immigrant caravan?

Posted: Tue Feb 06, 2024 7:49 pm
by old salt
Kismet wrote: Tue Feb 06, 2024 6:59 pm Mayorkas impeachment vote stunningly fails. Somebody get the Speaker a napkin to wipe the egg off of his face. :oops: He even had to endure a re-vote so it could fail again.

For Saltine, no matter how hard those folks you mention work, this anchor will remain in place as long as Orange Fatso is pulling the strings behind the scenes. After this debacle, nobody is going out on any kind of limb on this issue.
That's why I say that Sinema, Langford & Murphy should quietly keep grinding away on their bipartisan compromise bill for the lame duck Congress.
Maybe Pres-elect Michelle will give it a thumbs up. Barack & Jeh Johnson would have loved having those tools.

Re: Who is supporting the immigrant caravan?

Posted: Tue Feb 06, 2024 7:49 pm
by Typical Lax Dad
youthathletics wrote: Tue Feb 06, 2024 7:34 pm
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Tue Feb 06, 2024 7:24 pm
youthathletics wrote: Tue Feb 06, 2024 5:41 pm This is how great leaders communicate….they gaslight.

https://x.com/endwokeness/status/175493 ... a82I2GssRg
That twitter feed is divisive. What does the bible say about people that traffic in divisiveness?
it certainly resembles the tone of your posts.
You would know.

Re: Who is supporting the immigrant caravan?

Posted: Tue Feb 06, 2024 7:50 pm
by Typical Lax Dad
old salt wrote: Tue Feb 06, 2024 7:49 pm
Kismet wrote: Tue Feb 06, 2024 6:59 pm Mayorkas impeachment vote stunningly fails. Somebody get the Speaker a napkin to wipe the egg off of his face. :oops: He even had to endure a re-vote so it could fail again.

For Saltine, no matter how hard those folks you mention work, this anchor will remain in place as long as Orange Fatso is pulling the strings behind the scenes. After this debacle, nobody is going out on any kind of limb on this issue.
That's why I say that Sinema, Langford & Murphy should quietly keep grinding away on their bipartisan compromise bill for the lame duck Congress.
Maybe Pres-elect Michelle will give it a thumbs up.
Michelle Obama is a man…..

Re: Who is supporting the immigrant caravan?

Posted: Tue Feb 06, 2024 7:55 pm
by old salt
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Tue Feb 06, 2024 7:50 pm
old salt wrote: Tue Feb 06, 2024 7:49 pm
Kismet wrote: Tue Feb 06, 2024 6:59 pm Mayorkas impeachment vote stunningly fails. Somebody get the Speaker a napkin to wipe the egg off of his face. :oops: He even had to endure a re-vote so it could fail again.

For Saltine, no matter how hard those folks you mention work, this anchor will remain in place as long as Orange Fatso is pulling the strings behind the scenes. After this debacle, nobody is going out on any kind of limb on this issue.
That's why I say that Sinema, Langford & Murphy should quietly keep grinding away on their bipartisan compromise bill for the lame duck Congress.
Maybe Pres-elect Michelle will give it a thumbs up. Barack & Jeh Johnson would have loved to have had those tools to work with.
Michelle Obama is a man…..
Misogyny Alert !!!

Re: Who is supporting the immigrant caravan?

Posted: Tue Feb 06, 2024 9:54 pm
by NattyBohChamps04
Extremist right-wingers: Here's a hard-line bill we really like to "secure" the border. If you vote for it, you can also fund a sovereign country's resistance. A country that got invaded by of our biggest enemies of the past 60 years. Yes our Lord and Savior Reagan hated Russia, but we love them now for some reason. We know you're not gonna vote for these terms.

Democrats: Hey, we'll vote for it.

Extremist right-wingers: Umm, you weren't supposed to say yes. We don't want our own bill.

Similar to the ACA concessions. D's starting with a right-wing program and give in to a thousand plus concessions. YA likes says Trump gave everything to D's budget-wise, which is absolutely false, and a bit of projection. I'm tired of appeasing the crazies. 10% of the population shouldn't have control our country.

Re: Who is supporting the immigrant caravan?

Posted: Wed Feb 07, 2024 1:02 am
by Farfromgeneva
I still don’t know why the third eye, Zarathustra crowd haven’t recognized and objected to this charade with the vast majority Republican politicians (representing their corporate or industry support) and significant amount of the Dem/left pretend to fight either the goal being no solution because their benefactors benefit from this stalemate/quagmire for their economic interests?

Strangely quiet on this for what I can only conclude has to do with their less than pure, independent, agnostic external presentation and actually have buses and agendas they desperately don’t want you to see.

Re: Who is supporting the immigrant caravan?

Posted: Wed Feb 07, 2024 3:24 am
by old salt
https://www.nationalreview.com/2024/02/ ... rder-deal/

‘No’ to the Border Deal

by THE EDITORS, February 6, 2024 10:08 AM

The United States has a set of rules intended to exclude illegal immigrants from the country, and now Republicans find themselves negotiating over to what extent those rules can be ignored.

The group of senators that worked on a border deal with the White House for months has finally released the text of a bill that is touted as ending “catch and release” and mandating a “shutdown of the border” if illegal crossings exceed 5,000 a day.

President Joe Biden, who has done so much to create a de facto open border since the initial days of his administration, suddenly says this legislation is necessary so he can unleash his inner border hawk.

The bill is, to be sure, the best bipartisan immigration bill we’ve seen out of Washington, D.C., in decades, although that is an extremely low standard. The deal has worthy provisions, but it’s not going to compel Joe Biden to do anything he doesn’t want to and further entrenches a system that has been fundamentally distorted by mass bogus asylum claims.

The deal appears to be unraveling and deserves to do so.

The headline provision in the deal gives the president Title 42–type authority to exclude illegal aliens once there are an average of more than 4,000 illegal crossings a day over seven days and mandates that he does so once there are an average of 5,000 over seven days, or 8,500 on a single day. But, under current law, the president is already supposed to be excluding illegal immigrants.

There is a limit to how many days the president can use this authority, and the number of days steadily declines each year until it expires after the third. This is clearly an insurance policy against Donald Trump making full use of the authority should he be elected again.

The emergency authority would deactivate when the border crossings drop to 75 percent of the triggering number. This raises the possibility of Rube Goldberg–style, on-again-off-again border closures, when, again, the border is already supposed to be closed to illegal immigrants. Even during a closure, at least 1,400 migrants are to be processed each day at ports of entry, ensuring that the flow of asylum seekers continues regardless.

The deal seeks to toughen the “credible fear” standard that has been loosely applied to wave illegal immigrants en masse into the country. This would be a welcome change, but the bill creates a new process that bypasses the immigration courts and relies on notoriously open-handed asylum officers to make asylum determinations. It also dangles the prospect of expedited work permits, adding to the incentive for illegal immigrants to come here. The new asylum process is supposed to run much more quickly than the current system, but there’s every reason to believe it, too, will soon be overwhelmed.

The deal’s supposed end to “catch and release” doesn’t live up to its billing, since it gives the Homeland Security secretary the authority to send migrants to “Provisional Noncustodial Removal Proceedings” — in other words, to release them — if they express a fear of persecution or request asylum.

Moreover, the bill is careful to preserve the loophole for so-called unaccompanied minors that started the Biden border crisis in the first place and preserves Biden’s parole program for Cubans, Haitians, Venezuelans, and Nicaraguans.

As long as our immigration system is in thrall to the fiction that migrants who are overwhelmingly coming here for jobs are really asylum seekers, and ties itself up in knots considering these largely meritless claims, we are going to have trouble establishing order at the border. As Donald Trump showed in the latter part of his first term, controlling the border requires excluding the migrants from the U.S. in the first place. Then, barring extraordinary circumstances, anyone making it through the cracks should be detained and removed (the additional resources in the deal for these purposes are a good thing).

The cause of border security would be advanced much further if Congress dispensed with most of this bill and just created a Title 42–style authority that isn’t triggered or limited in any way. Prohibiting illegal immigrants from entering the country is the best tool against illegal immigration. As Ronald Reagan said, there are no easy answers, but there are simple ones.

Re: Who is supporting the immigrant caravan?

Posted: Wed Feb 07, 2024 7:23 am
by dislaxxic
It's just not harsh enouigh for MAGAts.

Like ANY legislation would completely solve the issue. "Solve" the issue for MAGAts that is...do they think a 100% impregnable wall would solve the issue for them?

Oh, the Border Union is just endorsing it because they're greedy forks, they'll all get a raise.

Kill this bill to keep the issue out there for political purposes, in the hope it MIGHT help put an unmitigated asswhole into power? Now THERE'S a reason to let these rightwingnumbnuts run this country.

Just ignorant.

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Re: Who is supporting the immigrant caravan?

Posted: Wed Feb 07, 2024 10:01 am
by cradleandshoot
dislaxxic wrote: Wed Feb 07, 2024 7:23 am It's just not harsh enouigh for MAGAts.

Like ANY legislation would completely solve the issue. "Solve" the issue for MAGAts that is...do they think a 100% impregnable wall would solve the issue for them?

Oh, the Border Union is just endorsing it because they're greedy forks, they'll all get a raise.

Kill this bill to keep the issue out there for political purposes, in the hope it MIGHT help put an unmitigated asswhole into power? Now THERE'S a reason to let these rightwingnumbnuts run this country.

Just ignorant.

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Your half right Dis. The border is all about politics. The flip side of the the political coin is strait forward. The Republicans are denying the opportunity to Biden to make a victory lap. He can proudly proclaim he f***ed up the border then was denied the opportunity to correct his mistake. When did Joe have his come to Jesus moment about the mess he created at the southern border? In the end it is all about politics. Both sides will never willingly allow the other side to take credit for anything. Too bad Biden wasn't the same border hard ass 3 years ago that he has become today. :D A presidential election year allows all politicians to re-think what they believe. The technical term is to wet your finger, stick it up in the air and determine what direction the political winds are blowing.