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Re: Israel and the West Bank Settlements Issue
Posted: Wed Jul 24, 2024 9:44 am
by old salt
Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Wed Jul 24, 2024 9:38 am
old salt wrote: ↑Wed Jul 24, 2024 9:32 am
njbill wrote: ↑Tue Jul 23, 2024 4:59 pm
And of course, his own vice presidential nominee calls him America’s Hitler.
You do realize that was not a public statement. Vance
said that in a private text to his law school roommate during the 2016 campaign.
The roommate leaked it & went on to be a (D) GA state senator. Vance admitted he was wrong. Something you're unable to do regarding Biden's "condition".
Something you may do?
Here's what Vance actually PM'd his "friend" :
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/jd-van ... 024-07-15/
"I go back and forth between thinking Trump is a cynical jerk like Nixon who wouldn't be that bad (and might even prove useful) or that he's America's Hitler," he wrote privately to an associate on Facebook in 2016.
When his Hitler comment was first reported, in 2022, a spokesperson did not dispute it, but said it no longer represented Vance's views.
Not exactly a definitive public position.
Re: Israel and the West Bank Settlements Issue
Posted: Wed Jul 24, 2024 9:46 am
by MDlaxfan76
old salt wrote: ↑Wed Jul 24, 2024 9:32 am
njbill wrote: ↑Tue Jul 23, 2024 4:59 pm
And of course, his own vice presidential nominee calls him America’s Hitler.
You do realize that was not a public statement. Vance said that in a private text to his law school roommate during the 2016 campaign.
The roommate leaked it & went on to be a (D) GA state senator. Vance admitted he was wrong. Something you're unable to do regarding Biden's "condition".
So, he did it privately, quietly...in writing...
He meant it.
He also appeared to mean his public comments about Trump being a sexual predator.
Of course, public comments might just be to garner approval from certain folks and not actually sincere...we know he's not a man of actual principle, a serial flip flopper, so, who knows, maybe
privately he admired Trump for getting away with grabbing women by the p-ssy...
Does he actually like
Diet Dr. Pepper? Who knows...
Re: Israel and the West Bank Settlements Issue
Posted: Wed Jul 24, 2024 9:46 am
by Typical Lax Dad
old salt wrote: ↑Wed Jul 24, 2024 9:44 am
Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Wed Jul 24, 2024 9:38 am
old salt wrote: ↑Wed Jul 24, 2024 9:32 am
njbill wrote: ↑Tue Jul 23, 2024 4:59 pm
And of course, his own vice presidential nominee calls him America’s Hitler.
You do realize that was not a public statement. Vance
said that in a private text to his law school roommate during the 2016 campaign.
The roommate leaked it & went on to be a (D) GA state senator. Vance admitted he was wrong. Something you're unable to do regarding Biden's "condition".
Something you may do?
Here's what Vance actually PM'd his "friend" :
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/jd-van ... 024-07-15/
"I go back and forth between thinking Trump is a cynical jerk like Nixon who wouldn't be that bad (and might even prove useful) or that he's America's Hitler," he wrote privately to an associate on Facebook in 2016.
When his Hitler comment was first reported, in 2022, a spokesperson did not dispute it, but said it no longer represented Vance's views.
Not exactly a definitive public position.
What’s your “private” position?
Re: Israel and the West Bank Settlements Issue
Posted: Wed Jul 24, 2024 9:52 am
by njbill
old salt wrote: ↑Wed Jul 24, 2024 9:32 am
njbill wrote: ↑Tue Jul 23, 2024 4:59 pm
And of course, his own vice presidential nominee calls him America’s Hitler.
You do realize that was not a public statement. Vance said that in a private text to his law school roommate during the 2016 campaign.
The roommate leaked it & went on to be a (D) GA state senator. Vance admitted he was wrong. Something you're unable to do regarding Biden's "condition".
No, I didn’t realize it was not a public statement, but why does that matter? Was he lying to his friend? In fact, that he said it privately strongly suggests, if not proves, that’s what he actually believed.
He thought Trump was America’s Hitler in 2016. What has Trump done since then to disabuse him of that notion? I’ll answer that. Nothing. In fact, he has done and said things time and time again to prove Vance was correct in 2016.
Vance hasn’t changed what he is saying about Trump because he now thinks he was “wrong” back then. Vance, like so many other Republicans (McCarthy, McConnell, Rubio, the list goes on and on) have publicly changed their stance on Trump to curry favor with Der Fuhrer. Vance is an ambitious politician (now). Of course he has to praise him as though he were Kim Jong-un.
Re: Israel and the West Bank Settlements Issue
Posted: Wed Jul 24, 2024 10:20 am
by OCanada
old salt wrote: ↑Wed Jul 24, 2024 9:32 am
njbill wrote: ↑Tue Jul 23, 2024 4:59 pm
And of course, his own vice presidential nominee calls him America’s Hitler.
You do realize that was not a public statement. Vance said that in a private text to his law school roommate during the 2016 campaign.
The roommate leaked it & went on to be a (D) GA state senator. Vance admitted he was wrong. Something you're unable to do regarding Biden's "condition".
You mean it was candid and not written for the public to read?
Re: Israel and the West Bank Settlements Issue
Posted: Wed Jul 24, 2024 10:28 am
by old salt
njbill wrote: ↑Wed Jul 24, 2024 9:52 am
old salt wrote: ↑Wed Jul 24, 2024 9:32 am
njbill wrote: ↑Tue Jul 23, 2024 4:59 pm
And of course, his own vice presidential nominee calls him America’s Hitler.
You do realize that was not a public statement. Vance said that in a private text to his law school roommate during the 2016 campaign.
The roommate leaked it & went on to be a (D) GA state senator. Vance admitted he was wrong. Something you're unable to do regarding Biden's "condition".
No, I didn’t realize it was not a public statement, but why does that matter? Was he lying to his friend? In fact, that he said it privately strongly suggests, if not proves, that’s what he actually believed.
He thought Trump was America’s Hitler in 2016. What has Trump done since then to disabuse him of that notion? I’ll answer that. Nothing. In fact, he has done and said things time and time again to prove Vance was correct in 2016.
Vance hasn’t changed what he is saying about Trump because he now thinks he was “wrong” back then. Vance, like so many other Republicans (McCarthy, McConnell, Rubio, the list goes on and on) have publicly changed their stance on Trump to curry favor with Der Fuhrer. Vance is an ambitious politician (now). Of course he has to praise him as though he were Kim Jong-un.
It was not a definitive statement. He said he was conflicted. It was banter between friends, said in confidence...until the 'friend" opportunistically leaked it. Maybe, like the others you name, he watched Trump govern, got to know him & changed his opinion.
Re: Israel and the West Bank Settlements Issue
Posted: Wed Jul 24, 2024 10:31 am
by MDlaxfan76
old salt wrote: ↑Wed Jul 24, 2024 10:28 am
njbill wrote: ↑Wed Jul 24, 2024 9:52 am
old salt wrote: ↑Wed Jul 24, 2024 9:32 am
njbill wrote: ↑Tue Jul 23, 2024 4:59 pm
And of course, his own vice presidential nominee calls him America’s Hitler.
You do realize that was not a public statement. Vance said that in a private text to his law school roommate during the 2016 campaign.
The roommate leaked it & went on to be a (D) GA state senator. Vance admitted he was wrong. Something you're unable to do regarding Biden's "condition".
No, I didn’t realize it was not a public statement, but why does that matter? Was he lying to his friend? In fact, that he said it privately strongly suggests, if not proves, that’s what he actually believed.
He thought Trump was America’s Hitler in 2016. What has Trump done since then to disabuse him of that notion? I’ll answer that. Nothing. In fact, he has done and said things time and time again to prove Vance was correct in 2016.
Vance hasn’t changed what he is saying about Trump because he now thinks he was “wrong” back then. Vance, like so many other Republicans (McCarthy, McConnell, Rubio, the list goes on and on) have publicly changed their stance on Trump to curry favor with Der Fuhrer. Vance is an ambitious politician (now). Of course he has to praise him as though he were Kim Jong-un.
It was not a definitive statement. He said he was conflicted. It was banter between friends, said in confidence...until the 'friend" opportunistically leaked it. Maybe, like the others you name, he watched Trump govern, got to know him & changed his opinion.
uh huh, he was just pretending to think he was a sexual predator too...but changed his mind after he got to know his "policies"...
"conflicted" between "cynical jerk" and "American Hitler"...
Re: Israel and the West Bank Settlements Issue
Posted: Wed Jul 24, 2024 10:38 am
by OCanada
Wouldn’t conflicted imply a certain ability to be introspective? A skill Trump has never exhibited.
Re: Israel and the West Bank Settlements Issue
Posted: Wed Jul 24, 2024 10:54 am
by njbill
old salt wrote: ↑Wed Jul 24, 2024 10:28 am
njbill wrote: ↑Wed Jul 24, 2024 9:52 am
old salt wrote: ↑Wed Jul 24, 2024 9:32 am
njbill wrote: ↑Tue Jul 23, 2024 4:59 pm
And of course, his own vice presidential nominee calls him America’s Hitler.
You do realize that was not a public statement. Vance said that in a private text to his law school roommate during the 2016 campaign.
The roommate leaked it & went on to be a (D) GA state senator. Vance admitted he was wrong. Something you're unable to do regarding Biden's "condition".
No, I didn’t realize it was not a public statement, but why does that matter? Was he lying to his friend? In fact, that he said it privately strongly suggests, if not proves, that’s what he actually believed.
He thought Trump was America’s Hitler in 2016. What has Trump done since then to disabuse him of that notion? I’ll answer that. Nothing. In fact, he has done and said things time and time again to prove Vance was correct in 2016.
Vance hasn’t changed what he is saying about Trump because he now thinks he was “wrong” back then. Vance, like so many other Republicans (McCarthy, McConnell, Rubio, the list goes on and on) have publicly changed their stance on Trump to curry favor with Der Fuhrer. Vance is an ambitious politician (now). Of course he has to praise him as though he were Kim Jong-un.
It was not a definitive statement. He said he was conflicted. It was banter between friends, said in confidence...until the 'friend" opportunistically leaked it. Maybe, like the others you name, he watched Trump govern, got to know him & changed his opinion.
I didn’t read the full text of what I guess was a Facebook post before my earlier post.
Actually, it suggests to me that Vance was pretty perceptive back then. I certainly hated Trump in 2016, but I wasn’t thinking at that time that he was America’s Hitler.
The fact that it was a private comment strongly suggests to me that that is what he really thought. If I am talking privately to the coach I scout for, I will give her my candid assessment of a player, positive and negative. If I am talking to that player’s parents, or to a group of parents, I will not mention any negative comments I have about the player.
That Vance may have been comparing Trump, alternatively, to Nixon or Hitler is not exactly a compliment. To my thinking, that waters down only very slightly the comparison to Hitler. I don’t think you would like to be compared, in the alternative, to Hitler. I certainly wouldn’t.
Re: Israel and the West Bank Settlements Issue
Posted: Wed Jul 24, 2024 5:43 pm
by youthathletics
Peaceful protests ramping up:
https://x.com/amuse/status/1816206140532805741
https://www.instagram.com/reel/C90cSRqS ... _copy_link
Will Kamala or Joe come out and tell everyone to stand down? Oh wait, Kamala was not interested....my bad.
Re: Israel and the West Bank Settlements Issue
Posted: Wed Jul 24, 2024 7:55 pm
by youthathletics
Are police afraid to intervene? Why is this allowed?
https://x.com/stillgray/status/1816214041209057471
Re: Israel and the West Bank Settlements Issue
Posted: Wed Jul 24, 2024 9:22 pm
by jhu72
Re: Israel and the West Bank Settlements Issue
Posted: Wed Jul 24, 2024 9:32 pm
by Kismet
Agreed. Good question.
Where were the DC police?
Re: Israel and the West Bank Settlements Issue
Posted: Wed Jul 24, 2024 9:39 pm
by jhu72
Kismet wrote: ↑Wed Jul 24, 2024 9:32 pm
Agreed. Good question.
... Are they really??
Re: Israel and the West Bank Settlements Issue
Posted: Thu Jul 25, 2024 12:29 am
by old salt
njbill wrote: ↑Wed Jul 24, 2024 10:54 am
old salt wrote: ↑Wed Jul 24, 2024 10:28 am
njbill wrote: ↑Wed Jul 24, 2024 9:52 am
old salt wrote: ↑Wed Jul 24, 2024 9:32 am
njbill wrote: ↑Tue Jul 23, 2024 4:59 pm
And of course, his own vice presidential nominee calls him America’s Hitler.
You do realize that was not a public statement. Vance said that in a private text to his law school roommate during the 2016 campaign.
The roommate leaked it & went on to be a (D) GA state senator. Vance admitted he was wrong. Something you're unable to do regarding Biden's "condition".
No, I didn’t realize it was not a public statement, but why does that matter? Was he lying to his friend? In fact, that he said it privately strongly suggests, if not proves, that’s what he actually believed.
He thought Trump was America’s Hitler in 2016. What has Trump done since then to disabuse him of that notion? I’ll answer that. Nothing. In fact, he has done and said things time and time again to prove Vance was correct in 2016.
Vance hasn’t changed what he is saying about Trump because he now thinks he was “wrong” back then. Vance, like so many other Republicans (McCarthy, McConnell, Rubio, the list goes on and on) have publicly changed their stance on Trump to curry favor with Der Fuhrer. Vance is an ambitious politician (now). Of course he has to praise him as though he were Kim Jong-un.
It was not a definitive statement. He said he was conflicted. It was banter between friends, said in confidence...until the 'friend" opportunistically leaked it. Maybe, like the others you name, he watched Trump govern, got to know him & changed his opinion.
I didn’t read the full text of what I guess was a Facebook post before my earlier post.
Actually, it suggests to me that Vance was pretty perceptive back then. I certainly hated Trump in 2016, but I wasn’t thinking at that time that he was America’s Hitler.
The fact that it was a private comment strongly suggests to me that that is what he really thought. If I am talking privately to the coach I scout for, I will give her my candid assessment of a player, positive and negative. If I am talking to that player’s parents, or to a group of parents, I will not mention any negative comments I have about the player.
That Vance may have been comparing Trump, alternatively, to Nixon or Hitler is not exactly a compliment. To my thinking, that waters down only very slightly the comparison to Hitler. I don’t think you would like to be compared, in the alternative, to Hitler. I certainly wouldn’t.
Keep in mind bill, that was hyperbolic private banter between 2 friends at a time when Trump was still a largely unknown quantity.
After Trump won & began governing, Vance obviously changed his opinion & he has told us why.
A rational change of opinion, over time, based on subsequent real evidence, is not a flip flop.
Consider how we StL Cardinal fans developed an appreciation for Richie=>Dick Allen, once he became a Redbird.
We saw how well he played & fit in when he was healthy.
Re: Israel and the West Bank Settlements Issue
Posted: Thu Jul 25, 2024 12:50 am
by old salt
Kismet wrote: ↑Wed Jul 24, 2024 9:32 pm
Agreed. Good question.
You only agree because it's a monument to Columbus & not a Confederate General.
Re: Israel and the West Bank Settlements Issue
Posted: Thu Jul 25, 2024 5:46 am
by Kismet
old salt wrote: ↑Thu Jul 25, 2024 12:50 am
Kismet wrote: ↑Wed Jul 24, 2024 9:32 pm
Agreed. Good question.
You only agree because it's a monument to Columbus & not a Confederate General.
As usual, you're full of sh*t........
Re: Israel and the West Bank Settlements Issue
Posted: Thu Jul 25, 2024 6:23 am
by Seacoaster(1)
This may be the most ridiculous defense of Vance's "conversion" I have yet to read:
"Keep in mind bill, that was hyperbolic private banter between 2 friends at a time when Trump was still a largely unknown quantity.
After Trump won & began governing, Vance obviously changed his opinion & he has told us why.
A rational change of opinion, over time, based on subsequent real evidence, is not a flip flop.
Consider how we StL Cardinal fans developed an appreciation for Richie=>Dick Allen, once he became a Redbird.
We saw how well he played & fit in when he was healthy."
Re: Israel and the West Bank Settlements Issue
Posted: Thu Jul 25, 2024 7:26 am
by cradleandshoot
It just warms your heart to see the protesters trained and inspired by Iran doing their dirty work for them. When Bibi refers to them as Irans " useful idiots " he could not be more correct. Is vandalizing public property and burning American flags all inclusive to how a " peaceful protest " is defined in the year 2024?
Re: Israel and the West Bank Settlements Issue
Posted: Thu Jul 25, 2024 8:14 am
by OCanada
cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Thu Jul 25, 2024 7:26 am
It just warms your heart to see the protesters trained and inspired by Iran doing their dirty work for them. When Bibi refers to them as Irans " useful idiots " he could not be more correct. Is vandalizing public property and burning American flags all inclusive to how a " peaceful protest " is defined in the year 2024?
You could not be more wrong. I gotta give Bengie credit he further damaged our relationship with his distortions and lies. Again a failure to understand history and context. As always