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Re: Who is supporting the immigrant caravan?

Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2024 8:18 am
by Seacoaster(1)
Kismet wrote: Mon Feb 05, 2024 7:36 am It used to be voters went for divided government to insure compromise - now we have divided government that believes in GRIDLOCK where NOTHING gets accomplished.

Evidence the current Senate bill on border security/Ukraine-Israel-Asia Pacific aid which is pronounced DOA by the House (with only a 2 vote majority) within MINUTES of its publication and who then do a 180 and craft a stand-alone Israel aid package with no offsets after insisting on same for months.
Yes, anything with Democratic or Senate bipartisan fingerprints on it has to fail in the House. There is no doubt that the Speaker is at the beck and call of Orange Duce, and a good many of his own caucus want the border and immigrations issue alive for the next eight months. Go back to the Chip Roy speech: "Show me one thing. One thing" that the House majority has done that they can campaign on. This is it, and it isn't anything the House GOP Majority has accomplished; it is the ball that they have kept in the air by dissembling and calling Senate Republicans RINOs and worse. You cannot govern in a two party system when anything the "other side" does is deemed to be evil. This is our version of fiddling while Rome -- and Ukraine and the Middle East -- burns.

Re: Who is supporting the immigrant caravan?

Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2024 8:28 am
by kramerica.inc
Seacoaster(1) wrote: Mon Feb 05, 2024 6:22 am
kramerica.inc wrote: Mon Feb 05, 2024 2:06 am How much does the bill spend on fixing the immigration crisis?

How much does the bill earmark for Ukraine?

Anyone know?
Here is an overview of the dollars allocated by subject matter:

https://punchbowl.news/summary/
70 Billion + more to Ukraine.
A fraction of that (~$21 B) to address the immigration problem?
Seems like a sham of a bill.

Re: Who is supporting the immigrant caravan?

Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2024 8:33 am
by Seacoaster(1)
Then you are right in line with your heroes:

https://www.publicnotice.co/p/mike-john ... eal-senate

"In recent months, the Biden White House and Democrats in Congress have signaled readiness to accept a bipartisan border deal heavily tilted towards the GOP’s preferred punitive approach to asylum seekers and immigrants.

Progressive priorities, like a path to citizenship for undocumented people who came into the US as young children, aren’t even on the table. In part by tying border policy to aid for Ukraine and Israel and in part through incessant fear-mongering, Republicans are on the verge of enacting many of their priorities on immigration into law.

The one thing standing in their way? Their own divided party.

The GOP could have a policy victory. But they are a post-policy party, and prefer posturing and doing Trump’s bidding to governing.

In part, the GOP’s default to “no” is a strategy. Importantly in this case, former President Donald Trump, the frontrunner for the 2024 GOP nomination, wants to rerun his 2016 campaign by making fear-mongering about migrants his signature issue this year, and he’s expressed opposition to any deal that could give Biden a win. But the GOP also says “no” simply because it can’t figure out how to do anything else.

The GOP prefers foaming rage to solutions, and even in many ways to victories. It’s a party in disarray.

The border bill should be an easy yes for Republicans
The bipartisan deal negotiated in the Senate is basically designed to give the GOP what it wants in exchange for giving the GOP more of what it wants.

Republicans been almost unanimously in favor of more military aid to Israel, even as some progressive Democrats have tried to tie funds to an investigation of Israeli human rights abuses in Gaza. Similarly, leading Republicans like Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell have called for more aid to Ukraine to counter Russia’s invasion.

But while GOP leadership has been in favor of aid to Ukraine and Israel in theory, the GOP has in practice blocked appropriations. It’s insisted that no money should go abroad until the US has addressed border security concerns.

Some GOP members really don’t want to support Ukraine; others just see the negotiations as a way to force Biden — who strongly supports Ukraine — into a box. Either way, the proposed deal does everything McConnell could hope for. Details released Sunday indicate it provides $60 billion in military aid for Ukraine, $14 billion in military aid for Israel, $20 billion for border security, and $10 billion for humanitarian aid to Ukraine, Israel, and Gaza.

The deal would give the president the authority to close the border when undocumented crossings hit a seven-day average of 4,000. It also makes it more difficult to apply for asylum and reduces the amount of time to resolve asylum cases.

Progressives and organizations like the ACLU worry that these changes will give future presidents — like, say, Trump, if he wins in November — dangerous leeway to shut down asylum processing. They also worry that it will lead to people who need asylum having their claims denied. But their concerns have largely been ignored as Biden and Democratic leadership have focused on getting Republicans onboard.

Trump scuttles the deal
And what has the GOP done as Democrats try desperately to give them a policy victory? Mostly they have opted to set themselves on fire while screaming and running in circles.

The Republicans have been at odds with themselves in this (as in all things) for months. But Trump added napalm to the fire when he came out explicitly against the deal last month, rating on Truth Social that “I do not think we should do a Border Deal, at all, unless we get EVERYTHING needed to shut down the INVASION of Millions & Millions of people, many from parts unknown, into our once great, but soon to be great again, Country!”

Following Trump’s lead, right-wing grandstanding accelerated. Texas Sen. Ted Cruz called the proposed deal a “stinking pile of crap.” Sens. Rick Scott (Florida), Mike Lee (Utah), Ron Johnson (Wisconsin), Eric Schmitt (Missouri), and others joined Cruz in thrashing the bill. The Oklahoma GOP even voted to condemn their own senator, James Lankford, who was a key leader of the talks.

Even more ominously for passage, Mike Johnson, the Republican House speaker, argued that the border bill should freeze asylum processing if there’s a single undocumented crossing — meaning that the president would essentially have unlimited authority to prevent asylum applications. It’s a logistically impossible proposal; Johnson is not making it in good faith. He’s using it as an excuse to kill the deal.

Yesterday on Meet the Press, Johnson left host Kristen Welker gobsmacked when he repeatedly insisted that executive orders from Joe Biden — not bipartisan legislation like the bill hammered out in the Senate — are the solution to problems at the border.

“Any executive action is going to get tied up in the courts,” Welker told him. “You have been calling for legislative change to actually deal with this problem. You are now the speaker of the House. Do you not have a responsibility to your voters, to the people who put you in office, to address what you have called a crisis and a catastrophe?”

Johnson responded by indicating the Senate can either take the draconian immigration bill on offer from House Republicans or get nothing at all.

Johnson may not be the brightest bulb, but he almost certainly doesn’t really believe that Biden executive actions are the solution to problems at the border. His talking points are nothing more than a flimsy excuse to justify doing Trump’s bidding."

Re: Who is supporting the immigrant caravan?

Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2024 9:32 am
by kramerica.inc
As are you.
You think it's a good idea to pair border funds with Ukraine funding?
Didn't realize you were a Mitch McConnell supporter.
As a side not, its laughable that the bill gives the president power to "shut down the border" during times of crisis.

:lol:

How's that gonna happen? Magic?

Re: Who is supporting the immigrant caravan?

Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2024 9:54 am
by youthathletics
Seacoaster(1) wrote: Mon Feb 05, 2024 8:07 am
youthathletics wrote: Mon Feb 05, 2024 7:57 am
Seacoaster(1) wrote: Mon Feb 05, 2024 6:22 am
kramerica.inc wrote: Mon Feb 05, 2024 2:06 am How much does the bill spend on fixing the immigration crisis?

How much does the bill earmark for Ukraine?

Anyone know?
Here is an overview of the dollars allocated by subject matter:

https://punchbowl.news/summary/
That thing looks like a Pile Of tihS, as it relates to the border.
Why?
Ummm....b/c all it does is throw cash a problem and solves damned near nothing. In fact, it does the very thing afan fusses about constantly and this make gov't bigger and bigger. We already have plenty on the books to solve this, at easily half the expense.

Not to mention, there is zero reason it needs to be itemized in with Ukraine. It's shenanigans, all over again....they want it to fail to keep kicking the can down the road, it is an election year, so the timing is impeccable.

Re: Who is supporting the immigrant caravan?

Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2024 9:57 am
by Seacoaster(1)
kramerica.inc wrote: Mon Feb 05, 2024 9:32 am As are you.
You think it's a good idea to pair border funds with Ukraine funding?
Didn't realize you were a Mitch McConnell supporter.
As a side not, its laughable that the bill gives the president power to "shut down the border" during times of crisis.

:lol:

How's that gonna happen? Magic?
I think Ukraine funding matters, and have no problem combining funding security packages for Ukraine and Israel with immigration and border related funding. Splitting them into several bills is silly in view of the House GOP's relative dysfunction and willingness to pull out the rug on Trump's command.

I am not a "Mitch McConnell supporter," whatever that means. I do think that the preservation of Ukraine's sovereignty is the most important foreign policy issue of my adult life. So to that extent, I think McConnell and I would agree. The House majority, however, is full of really unserious people, dumb people, performative people, who don't understand the world and only bend toward the cameras of right wing media.

Legislation is a result of compromise. Republicans in the House, anyway, have forgotten that legislating and governing is basically cutting deals in the name of consensus. Sham bill? Not really, just an imperfect piece of legislative sausage. Sham Government? Absolutely, with the craven knuckleheads who now occupy the majority and the Speakership.

Re: Who is supporting the immigrant caravan?

Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2024 11:11 am
by MDlaxfan76
old salt wrote: Sun Feb 04, 2024 7:09 pm
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Sun Feb 04, 2024 10:42 am
But more specifically, Salty specifically claimed "underlying cause" was not going to be addressed by the bill...that may well be true, but I want to understand what Salty and those who agree with him think the underlying cause or causes of the issue or issues are.

I think there's probably an interesting discussion to be had, but I didn't want to put words in other's mouths. I sincerely want to know what they think.
Underlying cause (as I saId above) = loopholes in asylum law combined with catch & release as enforcement.

You ARE putting words in my mouth. I did not say the bill would not address the underlying causes.
I said I don't know what's in the bill & neither do you.
But I won't support it if it does not satisfactorily address the underlying causes I cited.
mmm, in direct response to a fan saying:

"And your buds are using the same excuse as to "gee whiz golly, we can't support" bills, because they're not perfect. And their supporters buy their excuses."

you responded:

"It's not a matter of being perfect. It is addressing the primary underlying cause. Without that, you can't fix the problem, you just continue to try to manage an unmanageable crisis.

Biden & the Dems can't deny the problem much longer, or continue to try to shift the blame. The political pressure is too great."


We were discussing the opposition of the bill by Trump, Johnson et al, declaring it DOA without ever having read the bill. You were defending them.

So, now that you and they have an opportunity to read it, will you oppose the bill... or support the most conservative bill on border security in 40 years?

But back to underlying causes, do you think what you wrote is why mass migration was spiking before Trump left office? Do you think that explains mass migration globally?

Do you think what you wrote is why there is a fentanyl crisis?

Re: Who is supporting the immigrant caravan?

Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2024 11:22 am
by a fan

Re: Who is supporting the immigrant caravan?

Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2024 11:38 am
by MDlaxfan76
couldn't access the article, but Lankford sure sounds like a straight shooter and a very serious conservative...worth listening to the interview for all those who might think this bill should be opposed because it doesn't address "underlying causes" they say they think matter.

Re: Who is supporting the immigrant caravan?

Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2024 11:58 am
by Seacoaster(1)
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Mon Feb 05, 2024 11:38 am
couldn't access the article, but Lankford sure sounds like a straight shooter and a very serious conservative...worth listening to the interview for all those who might think this bill should be opposed because it doesn't address "underlying causes" they say they think matter.
Lankford is hardly a RINO.

Here is a FNC Reporter's pretty fair overview of the bill that the House will not vote on:

https://twitter.com/BillMelugin_/status ... 8818748801

This would be, it seems to me, progress on multiple fronts...but we can't have that.

Re: Who is supporting the immigrant caravan?

Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2024 12:49 pm
by a fan
Seacoaster(1) wrote: Mon Feb 05, 2024 11:58 am
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Mon Feb 05, 2024 11:38 am
couldn't access the article, but Lankford sure sounds like a straight shooter and a very serious conservative...worth listening to the interview for all those who might think this bill should be opposed because it doesn't address "underlying causes" they say they think matter.
Lankford is hardly a RINO.

Here is a FNC Reporter's pretty fair overview of the bill that the House will not vote on:

https://twitter.com/BillMelugin_/status ... 8818748801

This would be, it seems to me, progress on multiple fronts...but we can't have that.
I’ve seen enough. This bill is even worse than we expected, and won’t come close to ending the border catastrophe the President has created. As the lead Democrat negotiator proclaimed: Under this legislation, “the border never closes.”


:lol: Gee, where have I heard THIS before.

And R voters, once again, will believe this excuse as to why we, once again, can't lift a finger to fix our immigration system.

Hilarious. We're back to my assertion: There IS NO CRISIS, and you guys are full of sh(t.

Re: Who is supporting the immigrant caravan?

Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2024 2:17 pm
by old salt
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Mon Feb 05, 2024 11:11 am
old salt wrote: Sun Feb 04, 2024 7:09 pm
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Sun Feb 04, 2024 10:42 am
But more specifically, Salty specifically claimed "underlying cause" was not going to be addressed by the bill...that may well be true, but I want to understand what Salty and those who agree with him think the underlying cause or causes of the issue or issues are.

I think there's probably an interesting discussion to be had, but I didn't want to put words in other's mouths. I sincerely want to know what they think.
Underlying cause (as I saId above) = loopholes in asylum law combined with catch & release as enforcement.

You ARE putting words in my mouth. I did not say the bill would not address the underlying causes.
I said I don't know what's in the bill & neither do you.
But I won't support it if it does not satisfactorily address the underlying causes I cited.
mmm, in direct response to a fan saying:

"And your buds are using the same excuse as to "gee whiz golly, we can't support" bills, because they're not perfect. And their supporters buy their excuses."

you responded:

"It's not a matter of being perfect. It is addressing the primary underlying cause. Without that, you can't fix the problem, you just continue to try to manage an unmanageable crisis.

Biden & the Dems can't deny the problem much longer, or continue to try to shift the blame. The political pressure is too great."


We were discussing the opposition of the bill by Trump, Johnson et al, declaring it DOA without ever having read the bill. You were defending them.

So, now that you and they have an opportunity to read it, will you oppose the bill... or support the most conservative bill on border security in 40 years?

But back to underlying causes, do you think what you wrote is why mass migration was spiking before Trump left office? Do you think that explains mass migration globally?

Do you think what you wrote is why there is a fentanyl crisis?
You're trying to goad me into an argument before any of us know what's in the bill & what it's impact will be.

Find someone else to argue with. I'll tell you what I think of the bill when I know enough to have an opinion.

I wasn't defending Trump or Johnson. I pointed out that they had not seen the bill either.

I don't recall mentioning fentanyl. I'm not interested in your mass migration or other excuses for Biden.
He took specific actions as soon as he took office that increased the pull factors. Now he's forced to confront the results of his actions.

Re: Who is supporting the immigrant caravan?

Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2024 2:29 pm
by Kismet
old salt wrote: Mon Feb 05, 2024 2:17 pm
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Mon Feb 05, 2024 11:11 am
old salt wrote: Sun Feb 04, 2024 7:09 pm
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Sun Feb 04, 2024 10:42 am
But more specifically, Salty specifically claimed "underlying cause" was not going to be addressed by the bill...that may well be true, but I want to understand what Salty and those who agree with him think the underlying cause or causes of the issue or issues are.

I think there's probably an interesting discussion to be had, but I didn't want to put words in other's mouths. I sincerely want to know what they think.
Underlying cause (as I saId above) = loopholes in asylum law combined with catch & release as enforcement.

You ARE putting words in my mouth. I did not say the bill would not address the underlying causes.
I said I don't know what's in the bill & neither do you.
But I won't support it if it does not satisfactorily address the underlying causes I cited.
mmm, in direct response to a fan saying:

"And your buds are using the same excuse as to "gee whiz golly, we can't support" bills, because they're not perfect. And their supporters buy their excuses."

you responded:

"It's not a matter of being perfect. It is addressing the primary underlying cause. Without that, you can't fix the problem, you just continue to try to manage an unmanageable crisis.

Biden & the Dems can't deny the problem much longer, or continue to try to shift the blame. The political pressure is too great."


We were discussing the opposition of the bill by Trump, Johnson et al, declaring it DOA without ever having read the bill. You were defending them.

So, now that you and they have an opportunity to read it, will you oppose the bill... or support the most conservative bill on border security in 40 years?

But back to underlying causes, do you think what you wrote is why mass migration was spiking before Trump left office? Do you think that explains mass migration globally?

Do you think what you wrote is why there is a fentanyl crisis?
You're trying to goad me into an argument before any of us know what's in the bill & what it's impact will be.

Find someone else to argue with. I'll tell you what I think of the bill when I know enough to have an opinion.

I wasn't defending Trump or Johnson. I pointed out that they had not seen the bill either.

I don't recall mentioning fentanyl. I'm not interested in your mass migration or other excuses for Biden.
He took specific actions as soon as he took office that increased the pull factors. Now he's forced to confront the results of his actions.
text has been out since YESTERDAY - PDF file in the very first line of this story published yesterday

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congre ... rcna136602

what are you waiting for? Fot National Review to tell you what's wrong with it? :( :oops: :oops: :oops:

Re: Who is supporting the immigrant caravan?

Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2024 2:34 pm
by MDlaxfan76
old salt wrote: Mon Feb 05, 2024 2:17 pm
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Mon Feb 05, 2024 11:11 am
old salt wrote: Sun Feb 04, 2024 7:09 pm
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Sun Feb 04, 2024 10:42 am
But more specifically, Salty specifically claimed "underlying cause" was not going to be addressed by the bill...that may well be true, but I want to understand what Salty and those who agree with him think the underlying cause or causes of the issue or issues are.

I think there's probably an interesting discussion to be had, but I didn't want to put words in other's mouths. I sincerely want to know what they think.
Underlying cause (as I saId above) = loopholes in asylum law combined with catch & release as enforcement.

You ARE putting words in my mouth. I did not say the bill would not address the underlying causes.
I said I don't know what's in the bill & neither do you.
But I won't support it if it does not satisfactorily address the underlying causes I cited.
mmm, in direct response to a fan saying:

"And your buds are using the same excuse as to "gee whiz golly, we can't support" bills, because they're not perfect. And their supporters buy their excuses."

you responded:

"It's not a matter of being perfect. It is addressing the primary underlying cause. Without that, you can't fix the problem, you just continue to try to manage an unmanageable crisis.

Biden & the Dems can't deny the problem much longer, or continue to try to shift the blame. The political pressure is too great."


We were discussing the opposition of the bill by Trump, Johnson et al, declaring it DOA without ever having read the bill. You were defending them.

So, now that you and they have an opportunity to read it, will you oppose the bill... or support the most conservative bill on border security in 40 years?

But back to underlying causes, do you think what you wrote is why mass migration was spiking before Trump left office? Do you think that explains mass migration globally?

Do you think what you wrote is why there is a fentanyl crisis?
You're trying to goad me into an argument before any of us know what's in the bill & what it's impact will be.

Find someone else to argue with. I'll tell you what I think of the bill when I know enough to have an opinion.

I wasn't defending Trump or Johnson. I pointed out that they had not seen the bill either.

I don't recall mentioning fentanyl. I'm not interested in your mass migration or other excuses for Biden.
He took specific actions as soon as he took office that increased the pull factors. Now he's forced to confront the results of his actions.
I asked you what you think are the underlying causes of mass migration (which is what we're seeing at our border and numerous other wealthier countries are seeing at theirs) and what you think are the underlying causes of the fentanyl crisis (which is also a major talking point for border security 'crisis').

I simply wanted to know what you actually think are those root causes that may or may not be addressed by the bill the Senate was working on, which some very conservative Senators were saying was saying was the most conservative bill addressing border issues in 40 years.

I wasn't going to assume to know what you think.

And I was asking anyone else who was already suggesting the bill shouldn't be supported because it was somehow less than perfect or might be less than perfect. You said it wasn't a matter of perfect but rather whether it addressed underlying causes... The context is obvious and was spelled out, not having read the bill, Trump demands MAGA to not support, Johnson and MAGA House members, not having read the bill, declare it DOA...

so, ok, what doesn't it do?
And is less than 'perfect' a reason to oppose it?

Frankly, I don't think it addresses the root causes of either aspect, mass migration or fentanyl, but I do think it's better than the status quo. I don't think there's a mass migration 'crisis', but I do think the system is terribly inefficient and under resourced and as a result creates a chaotic environment that needn't be the case. I think controlling the influx of people is important, and getting them as productive as possible once here is important...chaos doesn't achieve that, and it allows for truly undesirables to use mass migration as cover...actual national security risks.

Likewise, I think fentanyl is much more of a demand problem, a healthcare problem, but that doesn't mean that detection and enforcement against criminals isn't important. I want it much better resourced.

Re: Who is supporting the immigrant caravan?

Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2024 3:34 pm
by old salt
OK. I support it if it works the way Lankford & Sinema say it will & it compels Biden to comply with it.

It's not comprehensive reform & should not be sold as such. It's an emergency provision, addressing an emergency situation.

It does not fix our asylum laws. It may make the loophole smaller & harder to exploit.

I fear it's too late to pass it & that coupling it with aid to Ukraine/Israel/Taiwan/ME will now make it harder to pass.

Re: Who is supporting the immigrant caravan?

Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2024 4:10 pm
by Seacoaster(1)
Senate Republican leadership is for the bill. Many House Republicans are for it. Senate Democrats are for it.
House Democrats are for it. The President is for it. The freaking Border Patrol Union is in favor of it. The Chamber of Commerce is for it.

MAGA is against it because the policy-free cult leader needs it. That’s the whole story.

Re: Who is supporting the immigrant caravan?

Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2024 4:22 pm
by Kismet
old salt wrote: Mon Feb 05, 2024 3:34 pm OK. I support it if it works the way Lankford & Sinema say it will & it compels Biden to comply with it.

It's not comprehensive reform & should not be sold as such. It's an emergency provision, addressing an emergency situation.

It does not fix our asylum laws. It may make the loophole smaller & harder to exploit.

I fear it's too late to pass it & that coupling it with aid to Ukraine/Israel/Taiwan/ME will now make it harder to pass.
Again, did you READ the bill? :oops:

Re: Who is supporting the immigrant caravan?

Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2024 5:03 pm
by youthathletics
Seacoaster(1) wrote: Mon Feb 05, 2024 4:10 pm Senate Republican leadership is for the bill. Many House Republicans are for it. Senate Democrats are for it.
House Democrats are for it. The President is for it. The freaking Border Patrol Union is in favor of it. The Chamber of Commerce is for it.

MAGA is against it because the policy-free cult leader needs it. That’s the whole story.
And everyone you listed benefits greatly from in influx of cash....same ole'-same-ole', just throw money at and essentially fix nothing. You can now put your stake in the ground that you are for growing government, for the sake of growing government.

Re: Who is supporting the immigrant caravan?

Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2024 5:09 pm
by a fan
youthathletics wrote: Mon Feb 05, 2024 5:03 pm
Seacoaster(1) wrote: Mon Feb 05, 2024 4:10 pm Senate Republican leadership is for the bill. Many House Republicans are for it. Senate Democrats are for it.
House Democrats are for it. The President is for it. The freaking Border Patrol Union is in favor of it. The Chamber of Commerce is for it.

MAGA is against it because the policy-free cult leader needs it. That’s the whole story.
And everyone you listed benefits greatly from in influx of cash....same ole'-same-ole', just throw money at and essentially fix nothing. You can now put your stake in the ground that you are for growing government, for the sake of growing government.
:lol: YA, ffs, man. They're not Republicans.

YOU are the one who's supposed to cut government, not them.

But again, you're telling me what I told you: you don't REALLY think this is a crisis. You gents were lying about that, and are perfectly happy to not pass any bills.

Great news for you: you're getting what you asked for, my man. Bill is DOA.

Re: Who is supporting the immigrant caravan?

Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2024 5:13 pm
by dislaxxic
That's just dumb. People say "you're better than that" but i don't think we can say that any longer. Donald Trump and Michael Johnson have ZERO idea how to address this situation. US Senators have negotiated this for four months now. Senators of both parties. I feel there's a DAMN GOOD CHANCE they have a better handle on the situation than these moronic rightwingnuts looking to play politics.

Just ignorant.

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