Re: Ron Desantis (The Desantis Doctrine)
Posted: Thu Mar 09, 2023 10:11 am
MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 9:13 amI earlier linked an article that directly addressed your contention above.cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 6:22 amYou skirted around my question and never answered it. What is your problem with people who have passed an exhaustive and thorough background check? There are many obstacles to being granted a concealed carry permit in NYS. Traffic tickets can be considered by the judge making the determination on your permit. Do you seriously have an issue with someone bringing their weapon with the proper concealed carry permit to church with them on Sunday? The bad guys count on their victims being unarmed. The concealed carry restrictions you are enamored with help to guarantee that the bad guys know and understand no good person with a gun will be there to try and stop them. Your common sense approach to concealed carry permit restrictions makes you one of the best friends any bad guy could ever want. You must be so very proud?MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 08, 2023 9:14 amGreat, now you're at least attempting to explain your logic instead of just the same repetitive screed.cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Wed Mar 08, 2023 8:56 amSince you requested... Public transportation. Trains, subways, buses, taxis, Uber and Lyft. Are they too sensitive??? If you ride these everyday the likelihood of a bad guy with a weapon is not an unreasonable threat. Answer me my question. What problem do you have with someone with a concealed carry permit bringing his/her weapon on the subway with them??? Yes we need to discuss it further because your dodging reality. No time for you to be a coward now...MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 08, 2023 8:01 am ok, so you don't have a place where its obvious that it's not about public safety. Can't come up with even one,
You just think she doesn't care.
More importantly, you don't care about fascism.
We needn't discuss it further.
As I'd said before, my assumption would be that Hochul overreached, indeed just a little googling indicates that she modified the legislation based on negative feedback. For instance, https://www.timesunion.com/state/article/hochul-proposes-technical-changes-concealed-17759938.php
But as to intent, I don't think any of these suggest a lack of concern for public safety...for instance, the presumption that a weapon on a public train is illegal allows law enforcement to be much more aggressive in ensuring that none get aboard those trains in the first place, for instance with metal detectors and law enforcement at points of entry. It enables those suspected of carrying a weapon and found to be so to be immediately detained.
Unfortunately for Hochul's view, the will and funding to to do all that really would be necessary to make these locations safer is not the reality.
The issue is fraught.
You are contending that allowing weapons to be carried concealed in these locations is just fine, in a state where concealed carry permits have been very easy to obtain and once obtained difficult to remove...she thinks not allowing them would make these areas safer...it's an argument. But not remotely the same as what DeSantis is doing with his GOP legislature and what he's saying the country as a whole should be doing if Republicans win the power.
Pre 2022, it has been exceedingly easy to obtain a concealed carry and once obtained you kept it. Huge number given out in NYS.
Exact opposite of your contention.
You obviously didn't read it or ignored it.
HUGE NUMBER GIVEN OUT IN NYS???!?
How do you justify this lie? Define what a HUGE # is in your opinion? You have absolutely no clue how long it takes to get a ccp in NYS