CNN Says 'White Men' are the Biggest Terror Threat in US

[old salt]

What does it prove?

You here to defend McVeigh also? I can’t tell.

Not at all, asking your for an answer to the question?

It proves that everyone with PTDS don't blow up buildings or do you disagree?

Thanks for the reply. No I do not disagree,

Not you......Last week a guy was making excuses for a liar, this week a mass murderer / terrorists....for two years defending a guy with no morals, no honor or integrity. Man how the mighty have fallen. It's pathetic.

Right. Citing evidence that McVeigh, along with other combat vet shooters, likely had PTSD, is making excuses for them. ..
...as oppposed to looking at it as something to consider when trying to figure out why these guys went off the rails, to prevent it in the future.

[old salt]

What does it prove?

You here to defend McVeigh also? I can’t tell.

Not at all, asking your for an answer to the question?

It proves that everyone with PTDS don't blow up buildings or do you disagree?

Thanks for the reply. No I do not disagree,

Not you......Last week a guy was making excuses for a liar, this week a mass murderer / terrorists....for two years defending a guy with no morals, no honor or integrity. Man how the mighty have fallen. It's pathetic.

Right. Citing evidence that McVeigh, along with other combat vet shooters, likely had PTSD, is making excuses for them. ..
...as oppposed to looking at it as something to consider when trying to figure out why these guys went off the rails, to prevent it in the future.
Why did Chris Kyle get murdered by a vet he was trying to help ?

[Typical Lax Dad]

What does it prove?

You here to defend McVeigh also? I can’t tell.

Not at all, asking your for an answer to the question?

It proves that everyone with PTDS don't blow up buildings or do you disagree?

Thanks for the reply. No I do not disagree,

Not you......Last week a guy was making excuses for a liar, this week a mass murderer / terrorists....for two years defending a guy with no morals, no honor or integrity. Man how the mighty have fallen. It's pathetic.

Right. Citing evidence that McVeigh, along with other combat vet shooters, likely had PTSD, is making excuses for them. ..
...as oppposed to looking at it as something to consider when trying to figure out why these guys went off the rails, to prevent it in the future.
Why did Chris Kyle get murdered by a vet he was trying to help ?

Stop. It’s sad enough. Plenty of people with PTSD worthy of defending. McVeigh ain’t one of them.

[old salt]

What does it prove?

You here to defend McVeigh also? I can’t tell.

Not at all, asking your for an answer to the question?

It proves that everyone with PTDS don't blow up buildings or do you disagree?

Thanks for the reply. No I do not disagree,

Not you......Last week a guy was making excuses for a liar, this week a mass murderer / terrorists....for two years defending a guy with no morals, no honor or integrity. Man how the mighty have fallen. It's pathetic.

Right. Citing evidence that McVeigh, along with other combat vet shooters, likely had PTSD, is making excuses for them. ..
...as oppposed to looking at it as something to consider when trying to figure out why these guys went off the rails, to prevent it in the future.
Why did Chris Kyle get murdered by a vet he was trying to help ?

Stop. It’s sad enough. Plenty of people with PTSD worthy of defending. McVeigh ain’t one of them.

Stop lying about my position. I'm not defending McVeigh or any of the other combat vet shooters.
You started this whole stupid argument when I pointed out that none of the domestic terrorists (so far) attended terrorist training camps.

[Typical Lax Dad]

What does it prove?

You here to defend McVeigh also? I can’t tell.

Not at all, asking your for an answer to the question?

It proves that everyone with PTDS don't blow up buildings or do you disagree?

Thanks for the reply. No I do not disagree,

Not you......Last week a guy was making excuses for a liar, this week a mass murderer / terrorists....for two years defending a guy with no morals, no honor or integrity. Man how the mighty have fallen. It's pathetic.

Right. Citing evidence that McVeigh, along with other combat vet shooters, likely had PTSD, is making excuses for them. ..
...as oppposed to looking at it as something to consider when trying to figure out why these guys went off the rails, to prevent it in the future.
Why did Chris Kyle get murdered by a vet he was trying to help ?

Stop. It’s sad enough. Plenty of people with PTSD worthy of defending. McVeigh ain’t one of them.

Stop lying about my position. I'm not defending McVeigh or any of the other combat vet shooters.
You started this whole stupid argument when I pointed out that none of the domestic terrorists (so far) attended terrorist training camps.

Go back and read. You weren’t defending Ratcliffe’s lying either.

[old salt]

What does it prove?

You here to defend McVeigh also? I can’t tell.

Not at all, asking your for an answer to the question?

It proves that everyone with PTDS don't blow up buildings or do you disagree?

Thanks for the reply. No I do not disagree,

Not you......Last week a guy was making excuses for a liar, this week a mass murderer / terrorists....for two years defending a guy with no morals, no honor or integrity. Man how the mighty have fallen. It's pathetic.

Right. Citing evidence that McVeigh, along with other combat vet shooters, likely had PTSD, is making excuses for them. ..
...as oppposed to looking at it as something to consider when trying to figure out why these guys went off the rails, to prevent it in the future.
Why did Chris Kyle get murdered by a vet he was trying to help ?

Stop. It’s sad enough. Plenty of people with PTSD worthy of defending. McVeigh ain’t one of them.

Stop lying about my position. I'm not defending McVeigh or any of the other combat vet shooters.
You started this whole stupid argument when I pointed out that none of the domestic terrorists (so far) attended terrorist training camps.

Go back and read. You weren’t defending Ratcliffe’s lying either.

Go back and read. I showed you why Ratcliffe wasn't lying.

[Typical Lax Dad]

What does it prove?

You here to defend McVeigh also? I can’t tell.

Not at all, asking your for an answer to the question?

It proves that everyone with PTDS don't blow up buildings or do you disagree?

Thanks for the reply. No I do not disagree,

Not you......Last week a guy was making excuses for a liar, this week a mass murderer / terrorists....for two years defending a guy with no morals, no honor or integrity. Man how the mighty have fallen. It's pathetic.

Right. Citing evidence that McVeigh, along with other combat vet shooters, likely had PTSD, is making excuses for them. ..
...as oppposed to looking at it as something to consider when trying to figure out why these guys went off the rails, to prevent it in the future.
Why did Chris Kyle get murdered by a vet he was trying to help ?

Stop. It’s sad enough. Plenty of people with PTSD worthy of defending. McVeigh ain’t one of them.

Stop lying about my position. I'm not defending McVeigh or any of the other combat vet shooters.
You started this whole stupid argument when I pointed out that none of the domestic terrorists (so far) attended terrorist training camps.

Go back and read. You weren’t defending Ratcliffe’s lying either.

Go back and read. I showed you why Ratcliffe wasn't lying.

BFD..... your dude was sympathetic to militia men. Good enough for me....

[old salt]

W played the Texan role well, and made 'compassionate conservative' appealing, along with embracing Hispanics and others of color, not demonizing. And when he rejected Islamaphobia, he further earned my respect. I wish some of my Dem friends would appreciate that more, but I get it that his errors and weaknesses were pretty miserable too.

So, let's get off the meme that the Dems stoke the racial divisions and Trump is just the natural 'pushback'. He's the result of many decades of the
GOP very consciously going after that old segregationist south vote, and the suburban white flight vote.

Remember this classic from the 2000 campaign.
http://p2000.us/ads2/adnaacp.html

The El Paso shooter will keep the FBI profilers busy. Lots of voices in his head.
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opin ... -manifesto

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/da ... r-n1039236

Suspect in El Paso massacre got lost and stopped at Walmart 'because he was hungry,' police say
"As soon he got here he was lost in the neighborhood," police chief says. "After that he found his way to the Walmart because we understand he was hungry."

...but MSNBC is telling me Trump inspired this guy to drove 10 hours to El Paso, just to shoot Mexicans.
Trump inspired him to stop there for a Big Mac.

[MDlaxfan76]

What does it prove?

You here to defend McVeigh also? I can’t tell.

Not at all, asking your for an answer to the question?

It proves that everyone with PTDS don't blow up buildings or do you disagree?

Thanks for the reply. No I do not disagree,

Not you......Last week a guy was making excuses for a liar, this week a mass murderer / terrorists....for two years defending a guy with no morals, no honor or integrity. Man how the mighty have fallen. It's pathetic.

Right. Citing evidence that McVeigh, along with other combat vet shooters, likely had PTSD, is making excuses for them. ..
...as oppposed to looking at it as something to consider when trying to figure out why these guys went off the rails, to prevent it in the future.
Why did Chris Kyle get murdered by a vet he was trying to help ?

Stop. It’s sad enough. Plenty of people with PTSD worthy of defending. McVeigh ain’t one of them.

Stop lying about my position. I'm not defending McVeigh or any of the other combat vet shooters.
You started this whole stupid argument when I pointed out that none of the domestic terrorists (so far) attended terrorist training camps.

Go back and read. You weren’t defending Ratcliffe’s lying either.

Go back and read. I showed you why Ratcliffe wasn't lying.

Nah, you just tried to do so. Fell far short. "fluffing" just fine with you.

[MDlaxfan76]

W played the Texan role well, and made 'compassionate conservative' appealing, along with embracing Hispanics and others of color, not demonizing. And when he rejected Islamaphobia, he further earned my respect. I wish some of my Dem friends would appreciate that more, but I get it that his errors and weaknesses were pretty miserable too.

So, let's get off the meme that the Dems stoke the racial divisions and Trump is just the natural 'pushback'. He's the result of many decades of the
GOP very consciously going after that old segregationist south vote, and the suburban white flight vote.

Remember this classic from the 2000 campaign.
http://p2000.us/ads2/adnaacp.html

The El Paso shooter will keep the FBI profilers busy. Lots of voices in his head.
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opin ... -manifesto

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/da ... r-n1039236

Suspect in El Paso massacre got lost and stopped at Walmart 'because he was hungry,' police say
"As soon he got here he was lost in the neighborhood," police chief says. "After that he found his way to the Walmart because we understand he was hungry."

...but MSNBC is telling me Trump inspired this guy to drove 10 hours to El Paso, just to shoot Mexicans.
Trump inspired him to stop there for a Big Mac.

Yeah, he drove to El Paso loaded up with an assault weapon and ammo because he was hungry.
His manifesto was about fast food.
Stop it. This isn't a joking matter.

And you think that ads regarding hate crime laws weren't fair game with W?
It was a political choice not to back them. Not his best moment, but then again he was a GOP Governor of the great state of Texas.
Not exactly politically expedient in Texas to back hate crime legislation.

[foreverlax]

You may be overstating McCarthy's views on Islam. He clearly distinguishes between moderate Islam & Sharia Supremacy.
He distinguishes personal Sharia observance from Sharia Supremacy, ...it's inherent in the wording.
He also distinguishes it from White Supremacy more than he equates them.

His " needle in the haystack " analogy is entirely apt. There is no established global organization which all White Supremacists have in common. There are no White Supremacist churches.Social media has change the dynamic...they don't need a club house. You're making my point. That makes the potential lone wolf harder to locate, identify & monitor.
Nor are there White Supremacist terrorist training camps, safe havens, conflict zones or caliphate destinations. There most certainly are.Where ? ...how many of their alums are mass shooters ?

Given the scope of the potential lone wolf population, it makes automated internet surveillance a necessity, even more so than countering the threat of Islamic terrorism. The good news is -- we have the ability to do it, both inside & outside the govt. The challenge is in passing the laws to do it constitutionally, then implementing it in good faith, with credible oversight.And there is the final can of worms

Ask the FBI...not my area of expertise.

[Typical Lax Dad]

Anyone know what these people have in common: (hint....It’s not race).

Donald Trump
Paul Manafort
Mike Flynn
Roy Moore
Jeremy Epstein
John Ratcliffee
Tim McVeigh

[youthathletics]

Politics is a crappy business, the difference with Trump, IMO, is he is the same guy behind closed doors as he is in public

So you prefer someone that you know is an ***hole all the time. This doesn't make sense. Ford, Reagan, Bush, Carter, Clinton, Bush, and Obama.....all of them were the same at home as they were at the office. Last POTUS we had that was two faced was Tricky Dick.

I prefer straight shooters that just tell like it like it is.

You're saying this about a man who can't utter one single word without lying. You understand that, right?

I’ve sat at a board room table with Team Trump....they are great negotiators that know their facts, but when you challenge them without confrontation, with specific expertise, they have proven respectful.

Trump literally has fewer facts at his disposal than any POTUS we've ever had.

And he has proven to be unable to negotiate anything with anyone. He's the worst negotiator we've had in office...with Republican Congress at his beck and call he couldn't build his wall, repeal and replace, or sign immigration reform. All three of his main election planks. Total fail.

He's also failed to negotiate with Putin, Kim, Iran, and most of all, China.

So I'm left asking: who the heck are you talking about as "great negotiator"?

For now, he’s trying new tactics to move the needle

I'm more than curious as to what you think what these new tactics are.


You're buying the Trump mythology, and ignoring the scoreboard, just like he likes it. It's like FoxNation with the "Trump's not an insider". Ummmm: he's done skits with the mayor of New York, and had Bill and Hillary at his wedding. You think "regular ol' guys" do that?

Or "he's not a politician". Ummm: he's President of the United States. The top of the heap of politicians. There is no bigger politician.

If Trump did what he and you are claiming? I'd be a supporter. I'd LOVE repeal and replace of a better system than Obama. I'd LOVE immigration reform fixed and signed. I'd LOVE for him to drain the swamp. I'd even be fine with his stupid wall.

I'd also be overjoyed if he was a great negotiator. Deals with Iran, China, and N Korea would make my day. Again, he's done NONE of these things.

I'm left asking you: what are you talking about, my friend?

We didn’t give them a nickel when they left the conference room.

And neither did we...they paid full price.

[foreverlax]

What does it prove?

You here to defend McVeigh also? I can’t tell.

Not at all, asking your for an answer to the question?

It proves that everyone with PTDS don't blow up buildings or do you disagree?

Thanks for the reply. No I do not disagree,

Not you......Last week a guy was making excuses for a liar, this week a mass murderer / terrorists....for two years defending a guy with no morals, no honor or integrity. Man how the mighty have fallen. It's pathetic.

Right. Citing evidence that McVeigh, along with other combat vet shooters, likely had PTSD, is making excuses for them. ..
...as oppposed to looking at it as something to consider when trying to figure out why these guys went off the rails, to prevent it in the future.
Why did Chris Kyle get murdered by a vet he was trying to help ?

Stop. It’s sad enough. Plenty of people with PTSD worthy of defending. McVeigh ain’t one of them.

Stop lying about my position. I'm not defending McVeigh or any of the other combat vet shooters.
You started this whole stupid argument when I pointed out that none of the domestic terrorists (so far) attended terrorist training camps.

You don't know how or why he did what he did.

Terrorist Training Camps...what does that mean?

There are plenty of these folks hiding in the hills playing war...FBI knows that. Director Wray said White Supremacy is an issue - Tucker's bow tie has cut of the flow of facts to his alt-right brain.

[Typical Lax Dad]

What does it prove?

You here to defend McVeigh also? I can’t tell.

Not at all, asking your for an answer to the question?

It proves that everyone with PTDS don't blow up buildings or do you disagree?

Thanks for the reply. No I do not disagree,

Not you......Last week a guy was making excuses for a liar, this week a mass murderer / terrorists....for two years defending a guy with no morals, no honor or integrity. Man how the mighty have fallen. It's pathetic.

Right. Citing evidence that McVeigh, along with other combat vet shooters, likely had PTSD, is making excuses for them. ..
...as oppposed to looking at it as something to consider when trying to figure out why these guys went off the rails, to prevent it in the future.
Why did Chris Kyle get murdered by a vet he was trying to help ?

Stop. It’s sad enough. Plenty of people with PTSD worthy of defending. McVeigh ain’t one of them.

Stop lying about my position. I'm not defending McVeigh or any of the other combat vet shooters.
You started this whole stupid argument when I pointed out that none of the domestic terrorists (so far) attended terrorist training camps.

You don't know how or why he did what he did.

Terrorist Training Camps...what does that mean?

There are plenty of these folks hiding in the hills playing war...FBI knows that. Director Wray said White Supremacy is an issue - Tucker's bow tie has cut of the flow of facts to his alt-right brain.

How many Isis / Al Qaeda sympathizers never went to “Training Camp”? Those training camps are just some Muslims having fun blowing off steam....

“On September 19, 2016, the sole suspect—Ahmad Khan Rahimi, of Elizabeth—was captured, following a shootout with police in neighboring Linden, New Jersey. Rahimi was not part of a terrorist group, but his actions were believed to have been influenced by the extremist Islamic ideology espoused by al-Qaeda”

Timmy McVeigh was different.....pathetic.

Remember The Ruby Ridge!

[hooligan88]

If people want to live in a country that bans guns, there are plenty to choose. This one was created with gun ownership built in. Its easy if you do not like guns. pack the bags folks.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/articlev

We can literally change the country however and whenever we want. The founding fathers enshrined that into the constitution and encouraged its use.

And we can preserve the country as well.

[ABV 8.3%]

Anyone know what these people have in common: (hint....It’s not race).

Donald Trump
Paul Manafort
Mike Flynn
Roy Moore
Jeremy Epstein
John Ratcliffee
Tim McVeigh

Ivy league graduates?

[seacoaster]

If people want to live in a country that bans guns, there are plenty to choose. This one was created with gun ownership built in. Its easy if you do not like guns. pack the bags folks.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/articlev

We can literally change the country however and whenever we want. The founding fathers enshrined that into the constitution and encouraged its use.

And we can preserve the country as well.

Always a pleasure to be told that "these" are the fixed contours of the nation and, if you don't like them, you can just leave.

[MDlaxfan76]

If people want to live in a country that bans guns, there are plenty to choose. This one was created with gun ownership built in. Its easy if you do not like guns. pack the bags folks.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/articlev

We can literally change the country however and whenever we want. The founding fathers enshrined that into the constitution and encouraged its use.

And we can preserve the country as well.

Sure hope so!

But what specifically do we want to ‘preserve ‘ and what do we want to ‘change’?

That’s what matters.

[Typical Lax Dad]

Anyone know what these people have in common: (hint....It’s not race).

Donald Trump
Paul Manafort
Mike Flynn
Roy Moore
Jeremy Epstein
John Ratcliffee
Tim McVeigh

Ivy league graduates?

Could be.