Re: Hobart 2023
Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2023 2:49 pm
1st half goalie was solid with a couple of point blank saves, didn’t really notice after that, all I saw was a completely flummoxed defense.
Agree, hate to beat a dead horse, but Simas has the D1 size we need more ofcooperstef wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 2:49 pm What a joke. Zero physicality. Kids look like they don’t care. Getting backed down into oblivion defensively. Need to take Canisius off the schedule. One bright spot was Simas today. Starts and ends there. Hopefully it was a bad 45 mins and they bounce back. All that matters is conference games anyways.
Just looking for reasons to stay optimistic but can’t disagree. But expected this to be a tough one, Lehigh is probably top 20 this year and we’re pissed about us beating them last year so didn’t expect to be up 10-4 early while having man down twice for FO violations by late Q1.BigHoss wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 2:49 pmI agree. Interestingly enough, Hobart had an immature goalie in and things fell apart. Need an experienced presence in the goal when the opponent goes on a run. Something to acknowledge is that the goalie is the general of the defense, if their communication isn’t strong then the defense will look confused. We can discuss violations and bad calls all we want, the team wasn’t composed. It’s that simple. You need to have a calm mind in adverse situations to win. This team is still good potentially, but the game is 75 percent mental and if you can’t stay mentally tough for 60 minutes, you won’t win.oldbartman wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 2:38 pm Sad, just sad. Complete breakdown by the defense. By late Q2 we couldn't even pass the ball. To screw up a 2 man advantage on man-up..??? What the heck is going on? This falls completely on the defense. Though by mid Q3 our offense looked lost as well. Lehigh isn't that great. We made them look like a top 10 team. I completely disagree on the goalie situation. Please stop this "expirement" in goal. Sotiropoulos ' constant flopping put him out of position for at least 4 goals. Put Holtby back in before the season is completely lost. Up 10-6 in Q2 and Bart pulled it's usual letting up and then letting it get out of hand. You would think the pplayers would know by now that you can't take your foot off of your opponents throat. Until they learn how to that, and play basic lacrosse, Canisius may be the highlioght of the season. PATHETIC!
Does Bach or Barthelme look physical? Because they’re 6’2” > 200 and 6’7” 240 and the latter fell down and couldn’t pick up a ground ball when the momentum was turning at midfield.FMUBart wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 2:50 pmAgree, hate to beat a dead horse, but Simas has the D1 size we need more ofcooperstef wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 2:49 pm What a joke. Zero physicality. Kids look like they don’t care. Getting backed down into oblivion defensively. Need to take Canisius off the schedule. One bright spot was Simas today. Starts and ends there. Hopefully it was a bad 45 mins and they bounce back. All that matters is conference games anyways.
Physicality is a mentality not about size. If Dino is not out there it’s for a reason. High school prowess means absolutely nothing once you get to Geneva. I’m pretty sure the top recruits of the last 15 years were Charles Sipe, Matt Opsaol, who is my guy, and Bud Graham. “Supposed to be” isn’t a thing once you’re on campus.Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 3:09 pmDoes Bach or Barthelme look physical? Because they’re 6’2” > 200 and 6’7” 240 and the latter fell down and couldn’t pick up a ground ball when the momentum was turning at midfield.FMUBart wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 2:50 pmAgree, hate to beat a dead horse, but Simas has the D1 size we need more ofcooperstef wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 2:49 pm What a joke. Zero physicality. Kids look like they don’t care. Getting backed down into oblivion defensively. Need to take Canisius off the schedule. One bright spot was Simas today. Starts and ends there. Hopefully it was a bad 45 mins and they bounce back. All that matters is conference games anyways.
Simas looked great but still isn’t always in control, made a number of bad passes.
Wimer was overly aggressive but I think he will be a good one for us and can hold up with anyone physically it’s very clear.
Haven’t seen Dino out there but he’s a supposed horse from my old Section 4 and ha the distinction of the only 2x AA in Section 4 history.
Agreed Sean Murphy is a great example. I was responding to the D1 size comment. Kevin Curtin is another great example. I’m fact my entire point was some of the bigger kids don’t play physical enough. I thought that would be clear and how I quoted this string would’ve made it obvious.cooperstef wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 3:28 pmPhysicality is a mentality not about size. If Dino is not out there it’s for a reason. High school prowess means absolutely nothing once you get to Geneva. I’m pretty sure the top recruits of the last 15 years were Charles Sipe, Matt Opsaol, who is my guy, and Bud Graham. “Supposed to be” isn’t a thing once you’re on campus.Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 3:09 pmDoes Bach or Barthelme look physical? Because they’re 6’2” > 200 and 6’7” 240 and the latter fell down and couldn’t pick up a ground ball when the momentum was turning at midfield.FMUBart wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 2:50 pmAgree, hate to beat a dead horse, but Simas has the D1 size we need more ofcooperstef wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 2:49 pm What a joke. Zero physicality. Kids look like they don’t care. Getting backed down into oblivion defensively. Need to take Canisius off the schedule. One bright spot was Simas today. Starts and ends there. Hopefully it was a bad 45 mins and they bounce back. All that matters is conference games anyways.
Simas looked great but still isn’t always in control, made a number of bad passes.
Wimer was overly aggressive but I think he will be a good one for us and can hold up with anyone physically it’s very clear.
Haven’t seen Dino out there but he’s a supposed horse from my old Section 4 and ha the distinction of the only 2x AA in Section 4 history.
What's bizarre is the D played the first 20 min or so like they did vs Bryant in the NEC semis last spring which means they know what they are supposed to do clearly. Firth and Duby were all over the field, Christansen was typical for his performance in general.oldbartman wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 3:51 pm I just don't understand Bach. He has all the physical tools. But the moment and an ssdm gives him a slight bump, he passes the ball. Teams now realize they don't have to aggressively defend him. Herlihy shooting 1 for 10 doesn't help. Through 2 games he is 3 for 20. 15% shooting as an attackman with the ball in his stick a lot isn't helping. Also still waiting to see the the excellent vision and passing by Greene that coached spoke about. We need an X attackman. Delano is doing a good job, just don't see him in the X role. Not sure if Peterkin is injured as he played in spots today. Today is a head scratcher. How did our defense leave so many guys open? It didn't help Sotiropoulos, though he did have a nice 3 quick saves in a row late. That still doesn't offset him taking some bad guesses on shots. Colgate got a gift from Lehigh in terms of a blueprint on how to easily beat Bart. Maybe they won't watch the tape...![]()
None of what I said is untrue and I am well aware of all of the facts. I don’t know that Derek Madonna transferred to Richmond just because his brother is there. That may or may not be true. Richmond has a ton to offer academically and athletically. Your elitist attitude towards Hobart compared to other schools is pathetic. In your opinion, no one at Wagner, St. Joe’s or dozens of other schools are worthy of Hobart. In a landscape of grad transfers looking for a good combination of academics and lacrosse Hobart isn’t in the mix due to their inadequate grad programs. Their lacrosse program is good enough to attract some quality contributors.Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 11:13 amTrying to correct bad information and suppositions driven off that.Ketch wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 11:03 amFFG, you should not go picking fights, and I would especially not quibble with St. Joe's. They are going to finish in the Top 10 this year (that's my opinion anyway). Just focus on our team. That's enough.Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 10:40 amBoth NEC team followers as well. So little legacy.
I just don’t see pounding the drum and making an argument with like 7% of the facts at hand without asking or inquiring further.
Started with “you guys could get princeton grad students with more masters programs” ignoring that Princeton kids aren’t matriculating in grad programs at any a10 school for a fifth lacrosse year, none of them.
Then “look you lost Derrek madonna because of grad programs” not even knowing his younger brother was a starter at Richmond and that we had 12 fifth year graduate kids and a roster of 61 right now.
Then we’ll what about Stephen Dwyer, a kid form a program as a school we never lost to and is an institution completely different from Hobart. Using St Joes as an example where I know enough background to know we couldn’t have ever taken in Rastivo, Hayes McGinley or LaCalandria who was in discussions w SJU at one point before OSU showed up and he had his own issues at LIU where we historically don’t even pull that many kids from the last two decades. None of it made sense but kept pushing the same argument despite all these facts and datapoint.
Matt Kerwick would’ve gone down that path and that’s why he got fired from Hobart, Georgetown and Cornell and is out of lacrosse now.
Assuming every institution is the same and making an argument and tossing out bad examples is picking a fight to me. We’re shrinking our enrollment, rolling back the growth from the Gregory stretch so jamming in a athlete who has no other purpose on campus as suggested runs counter to the goals of the institution and Raymond’s stated interest in running the program. Would you prefer we roll out five new useless grad programs to waive in marginal students who we can rent for a year but potentially ruin the culture? I mean Jason Knox didn’t leave just because of competitive considerations. He brought down our 2021 season. You want him back knowing that?
Right now I’m setting up ESPN+ to watch the game at noon though.
Understood and then we’re all in agreement.FMUBart wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 4:36 pm When I say size, I mean more of what Cooper is saying - physicality. Height is irrelevant if you don’t bring the heat…plenty of smaller guys are physical, remember Smalley? Don’t know how tall Simas is, but he is physical and runs downhill. Alex Rosa’s dad was the toughest pound for pound player to ever play at Hobart—he was 5’10” and 195 but would lay the boom on much bigger guys and ran through checks. No more of the 5’8” 150lb guys unless they are cat quick and TOUGH, a la Ray Gilliam(look him up)
It’s true about Derrek I know a guy who’s friends with the family up in CNY and was in a boat on Skaneateles with him last summer visiting upstate NY.Laxbuck wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 7:05 pmNone of what I said is untrue and I am well aware of all of the facts. I don’t know that Derek Madonna transferred to Richmond just because his brother is there. That may or may not be true. Richmond has a ton to offer academically and athletically. Your elitist attitude towards Hobart compared to other schools is pathetic. In your opinion, no one at Wagner, St. Joe’s or dozens of other schools are worthy of Hobart. In a landscape of grad transfers looking for a good combination of academics and lacrosse Hobart isn’t in the mix due to their inadequate grad programs. Their lacrosse program is good enough to attract some quality contributors.Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 11:13 amTrying to correct bad information and suppositions driven off that.Ketch wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 11:03 amFFG, you should not go picking fights, and I would especially not quibble with St. Joe's. They are going to finish in the Top 10 this year (that's my opinion anyway). Just focus on our team. That's enough.Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 10:40 amBoth NEC team followers as well. So little legacy.
I just don’t see pounding the drum and making an argument with like 7% of the facts at hand without asking or inquiring further.
Started with “you guys could get princeton grad students with more masters programs” ignoring that Princeton kids aren’t matriculating in grad programs at any a10 school for a fifth lacrosse year, none of them.
Then “look you lost Derrek madonna because of grad programs” not even knowing his younger brother was a starter at Richmond and that we had 12 fifth year graduate kids and a roster of 61 right now.
Then we’ll what about Stephen Dwyer, a kid form a program as a school we never lost to and is an institution completely different from Hobart. Using St Joes as an example where I know enough background to know we couldn’t have ever taken in Rastivo, Hayes McGinley or LaCalandria who was in discussions w SJU at one point before OSU showed up and he had his own issues at LIU where we historically don’t even pull that many kids from the last two decades. None of it made sense but kept pushing the same argument despite all these facts and datapoint.
Matt Kerwick would’ve gone down that path and that’s why he got fired from Hobart, Georgetown and Cornell and is out of lacrosse now.
Assuming every institution is the same and making an argument and tossing out bad examples is picking a fight to me. We’re shrinking our enrollment, rolling back the growth from the Gregory stretch so jamming in a athlete who has no other purpose on campus as suggested runs counter to the goals of the institution and Raymond’s stated interest in running the program. Would you prefer we roll out five new useless grad programs to waive in marginal students who we can rent for a year but potentially ruin the culture? I mean Jason Knox didn’t leave just because of competitive considerations. He brought down our 2021 season. You want him back knowing that?
Right now I’m setting up ESPN+ to watch the game at noon though.
And I’m ok with that as long as the coaches are doing their job to the best of their ability and the kids aren’t quitting in the second half of games.BigHoss wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 10:37 pm I agree with what you’re saying in some regards. I just think reality needs to be set in place as well. It’s a great school, but because we haven’t looked into taking on transfers to help our team improve, we haven’t won a ton. Everyone else has and they have succeeded. St Joes passed us so your philosophy is fine, but you have to be able to accept that realistically this roster we have likely won’t be beating them either.