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Matnum PI wrote: ↑Fri Sep 04, 2020 6:16 pm and drinking and driving and unprotected sex and... if we had to pick one, we'd be in trouble. thankfully, we do not.

pcowlax wrote: ↑Sat Sep 12, 2020 11:08 pm That article is good for a laugh.

bauer4429 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 13, 2020 12:07 pm Doesn’t sound like it’s a joke to the unfortunate
1 in 7 that get it.

bauer4429 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 13, 2020 12:07 pm Doesn’t sound like it’s a joke to the unfortunate
1 in 7 that get it.

pcowlax wrote: ↑Sun Sep 13, 2020 7:22 pm

bauer4429 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 13, 2020 12:07 pm Doesn’t sound like it’s a joke to the unfortunate
1 in 7 that get it.

Read the article bauer. It is an absolute joke (and you don’t have to feel bad, there is no “1 in 7” getting myocarditis for you to feel concerned about). I couldn’t have come up with a better parody of COVID hysteria than that. It also shows, unintentionally, how all of the MRI myocarditis data in asymptomatic or minimally symptomatic patient is an abomination of medicine. Happy to break it down but this one should be obvious.

Bart wrote: ↑Mon Sep 14, 2020 7:43 am

pcowlax wrote: ↑Sun Sep 13, 2020 7:22 pm

bauer4429 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 13, 2020 12:07 pm Doesn’t sound like it’s a joke to the unfortunate
1 in 7 that get it.

Read the article bauer. It is an absolute joke (and you don’t have to feel bad, there is no “1 in 7” getting myocarditis for you to feel concerned about). I couldn’t have come up with a better parody of COVID hysteria than that. It also shows, unintentionally, how all of the MRI myocarditis data in asymptomatic or minimally symptomatic patient is an abomination of medicine. Happy to break it down but this one should be obvious.

I've been looking for some type of baseline data regarding this. I found at lease one abstract that looked at endurance athletes and myocarditis pre, during and post cold. The data looks eerily similar to that in the study mentioned above.

Here is a link to the abstract in the journal of cardiovascular magnetic resonance. https://jcmr-online.biomedcentral.com/a ... X-11-S1-O3

pcowlax wrote: ↑Mon Sep 14, 2020 1:35 pm None of the above is to say that data could not come out showing that COVID has some unique association with cardiac disease not seen with other viruses, or that patients with severe COVID have more cardiac sequelae that other critically ill patients or that the virus is trophic for myocytes. I would/will happy acknowledge such data were it published. It has not however been published to date and it does a service to no one to shove out sensationalist drivel that would cause people to think that, on the basis of a 26 patient study whose topline finding could legitimately be that exercise is bad for your heart, 1/7 patients with COVID get myocarditis.

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Mon Sep 14, 2020 2:27 pm

pcowlax wrote: ↑Mon Sep 14, 2020 1:35 pm None of the above is to say that data could not come out showing that COVID has some unique association with cardiac disease not seen with other viruses, or that patients with severe COVID have more cardiac sequelae that other critically ill patients or that the virus is trophic for myocytes. I would/will happy acknowledge such data were it published. It has not however been published to date and it does a service to no one to shove out sensationalist drivel that would cause people to think that, on the basis of a 26 patient study whose topline finding could legitimately be that exercise is bad for your heart, 1/7 patients with COVID get myocarditis.

Myocarditis aside, I am not a fan of large scale sporting events during this pandemic. It will just serve to keep the virus spreading. Pro sports are bad enough, but college and high school sports like football are just not sensible. Had we taken the bitter pill, we might be in a position to resume in the spring under better conditions. Time will tell.

FMUBart wrote: ↑Mon Sep 14, 2020 3:23 pm

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Mon Sep 14, 2020 2:27 pm

pcowlax wrote: ↑Mon Sep 14, 2020 1:35 pm None of the above is to say that data could not come out showing that COVID has some unique association with cardiac disease not seen with other viruses, or that patients with severe COVID have more cardiac sequelae that other critically ill patients or that the virus is trophic for myocytes. I would/will happy acknowledge such data were it published. It has not however been published to date and it does a service to no one to shove out sensationalist drivel that would cause people to think that, on the basis of a 26 patient study whose topline finding could legitimately be that exercise is bad for your heart, 1/7 patients with COVID get myocarditis.

Myocarditis aside, I am not a fan of large scale sporting events during this pandemic. It will just serve to keep the virus spreading. Pro sports are bad enough, but college and high school sports like football are just not sensible. Had we taken the bitter pill, we might be in a position to resume in the spring under better conditions. Time will tell.

It's a virus...

pcowlax wrote: ↑Fri Sep 04, 2020 11:45 am

Matnum PI wrote: ↑Fri Sep 04, 2020 11:13 am

pcowlax wrote: ↑Fri Sep 04, 2020 10:32 amIt is also stupid however to wear a mask on a beach or while walking on hiking trails or when you are walking through the parking lot at Stop and Shop. This isn't cautious or prudent, it is stupid and ignorant. You do not catch respiratory viruses walking past someone outside.

But you could catch a respiratory virus when, for example, playing a soccer game? Also outside but there's physical contact. What about an outdoor cocktail party? Outside but standing, facing each other, while talking.

PS PCow, that post was great.
PPS I fully understand that you are simply posting a post and not giving me medical advice.

Thank you. I do not like hijacking a lacrosse thread with all of this but this is just about the extent of my online presence and I need to vent. The cocktail party yes. Usually you need to be in a contained space, and for a certain amount of time, to transmit something that is respiratory (it varies somewhat whether it is a droplet pathogen, which travels on microscopic bits of saliva, or truly airborne, which means it is free-floating (verdict still out on the for COVID, I think more likely than not airborne but its a close call)). This is why in the CDC recommendations for who should gets tested (and there is certainly stuff to disagree with in there) one of recs is:

If you have been in close contact (within 6 feet) of a person with a COVID-19 infection for at least 15 minutes but do not have symptoms:
You do not necessarily need a test unless you are a vulnerable individual or your health care provider or State or local public health officials recommend you take one.
A negative test does not mean you will not develop an infection from the close contact or contract an infection at a later time.
You should monitor yourself for symptoms. If you develop symptoms, you should evaluate yourself under the considerations set forth above.
You should strictly adhere to CDC mitigation protocols, especially if you are interacting with a vulnerable individual. You should adhere to CDC guidelines to protect vulnerable individuals with whom you live.

Look not at the caveats after they say don't get tested but look at the first line. All of what follows is only if you have been in contact for at least 15 minutes. They don't even bother talking about passing contact. You DO NOT catch this walking past someone on the street or on a trail. You do catch it if you are inside, especially in a small room, with someone who is contagious and it is lingering in the air you are breathing. If you catch it at the grocery store it is not because someone walked past you in the produce isle but because they touched the zucchini after touching their mouth, leaving traces, and then you touched the zucchini and touched your eye. If you stand in front of someone talking for a good while, even if outside, absolutely yes, you could get it. Sports are frankly a tough call from my perspective. The proximity itself, because it is fleeting, isn't the issue (the second baseman isn't catching it from the runner running past him). It is the exchange of sweat, spit, etc that gets wiped around. The more of this, and teh more you are panting into each other's face (O and D linemen), the greater the chance of transmission.

HooDat wrote: ↑Tue Sep 15, 2020 10:24 am

pcowlax wrote: ↑Fri Sep 04, 2020 11:45 am

Matnum PI wrote: ↑Fri Sep 04, 2020 11:13 am

pcowlax wrote: ↑Fri Sep 04, 2020 10:32 amIt is also stupid however to wear a mask on a beach or while walking on hiking trails or when you are walking through the parking lot at Stop and Shop. This isn't cautious or prudent, it is stupid and ignorant. You do not catch respiratory viruses walking past someone outside.

But you could catch a respiratory virus when, for example, playing a soccer game? Also outside but there's physical contact. What about an outdoor cocktail party? Outside but standing, facing each other, while talking.

PS PCow, that post was great.
PPS I fully understand that you are simply posting a post and not giving me medical advice.

Thank you. I do not like hijacking a lacrosse thread with all of this but this is just about the extent of my online presence and I need to vent. The cocktail party yes. Usually you need to be in a contained space, and for a certain amount of time, to transmit something that is respiratory (it varies somewhat whether it is a droplet pathogen, which travels on microscopic bits of saliva, or truly airborne, which means it is free-floating (verdict still out on the for COVID, I think more likely than not airborne but its a close call)). This is why in the CDC recommendations for who should gets tested (and there is certainly stuff to disagree with in there) one of recs is:

If you have been in close contact (within 6 feet) of a person with a COVID-19 infection for at least 15 minutes but do not have symptoms:
You do not necessarily need a test unless you are a vulnerable individual or your health care provider or State or local public health officials recommend you take one.
A negative test does not mean you will not develop an infection from the close contact or contract an infection at a later time.
You should monitor yourself for symptoms. If you develop symptoms, you should evaluate yourself under the considerations set forth above.
You should strictly adhere to CDC mitigation protocols, especially if you are interacting with a vulnerable individual. You should adhere to CDC guidelines to protect vulnerable individuals with whom you live.

Look not at the caveats after they say don't get tested but look at the first line. All of what follows is only if you have been in contact for at least 15 minutes. They don't even bother talking about passing contact. You DO NOT catch this walking past someone on the street or on a trail. You do catch it if you are inside, especially in a small room, with someone who is contagious and it is lingering in the air you are breathing. If you catch it at the grocery store it is not because someone walked past you in the produce isle but because they touched the zucchini after touching their mouth, leaving traces, and then you touched the zucchini and touched your eye. If you stand in front of someone talking for a good while, even if outside, absolutely yes, you could get it. Sports are frankly a tough call from my perspective. The proximity itself, because it is fleeting, isn't the issue (the second baseman isn't catching it from the runner running past him). It is the exchange of sweat, spit, etc that gets wiped around. The more of this, and teh more you are panting into each other's face (O and D linemen), the greater the chance of transmission.

late to the party on this one, but just want to thank you, pcowlax, for some great content.