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Re: Syracuse

Posted: Mon Feb 21, 2022 1:50 pm
by seacoaster
Watched the second half of the Cuse-SBU game today, after having to stop last night (went to an Indian place and then saw Rachael and Vilray instead of Joe Spallina's checked blazer). Here's what I think:

First, they have to make a goalie decision; the platoon thing will not work out. I think Hower is the better ball stopper, and seems more confident clearing.

Second, if you are a senior on the first midfield for a top five program, you have to score goals. Nos. 3 and 43 have to produce. Sam in particular needs to stop aiming for the goalie's naval or stick.

Third, defense is currently a problem. If SBU had handled three passes into the middle of the Eight, it would have beaten Syracuse. Teams with good ball movement and which, like many, feature two players at or below GLE, are going to give Syracuse fits, because the low defenders are not getting into the hands of the below GLE carriers and the topside players aren't communicating adequately to follow the cuts. Syracuse seems to have Cooper covering a huge expanse of ground, and not even she can manage all this turf.

The offense will get better. Sam and Sierra will shoot better. The offense will learn to play with EH as a complimentary strength rather than the No. 1 option. But the other end of the field has to improve.

Re: Syracuse

Posted: Mon Feb 21, 2022 2:15 pm
by Laxfan500
seacoaster wrote: Mon Feb 21, 2022 1:50 pm Watched the second half of the Cuse-SBU game today, after having to stop last night (went to an Indian place and then saw Rachael and Vilray instead of Joe Spallina's checked blazer). Here's what I think:

First, they have to make a goalie decision; the platoon thing will not work out. I think Hower is the better ball stopper, and seems more confident clearing.

Second, if you are a senior on the first midfield for a top five program, you have to score goals. Nos. 3 and 43 have to produce. Sam in particular needs to stop aiming for the goalie's naval or stick.

Third, defense is currently a problem. If SBU had handled three passes into the middle of the Eight, it would have beaten Syracuse. Teams with good ball movement and which, like many, feature two players at or below GLE, are going to give Syracuse fits, because the low defenders are not getting into the hands of the below GLE carriers and the topside players aren't communicating adequately to follow the cuts. Syracuse seems to have Cooper covering a huge expanse of ground, and not even she can manage all this turf.

The offense will get better. Sam and Sierra will shoot better. The offense will learn to play with EH as a complimentary strength rather than the No. 1 option. But the other end of the field has to improve.
All good points . I agree they need to figure out goalie situation. And defense which we knew would take time . Also wasn’t excited about draw girl . She ok but beatable . Offense obv their strong suit . The two Megs are a force . They def miss Ward. Emily is Emily i think at this point in her career she isn’t going to change her way of playing/shooting . I was suprised to see her on draw and with no brace - she got knocked down a lot !!

Re: Syracuse

Posted: Mon Feb 21, 2022 2:24 pm
by Cagekeeper
seacoaster wrote: Mon Feb 21, 2022 1:50 pm Watched the second half of the Cuse-SBU game today, after having to stop last night (went to an Indian place and then saw Rachael and Vilray instead of Joe Spallina's checked blazer). Here's what I think:

First, they have to make a goalie decision; the platoon thing will not work out. I think Hower is the better ball stopper, and seems more confident clearing.

Second, if you are a senior on the first midfield for a top five program, you have to score goals. Nos. 3 and 43 have to produce. Sam in particular needs to stop aiming for the goalie's naval or stick.

Third, defense is currently a problem. If SBU had handled three passes into the middle of the Eight, it would have beaten Syracuse. Teams with good ball movement and which, like many, feature two players at or below GLE, are going to give Syracuse fits, because the low defenders are not getting into the hands of the below GLE carriers and the topside players aren't communicating adequately to follow the cuts. Syracuse seems to have Cooper covering a huge expanse of ground, and not even she can manage all this turf.

The offense will get better. Sam and Sierra will shoot better. The offense will learn to play with EH as a complimentary strength rather than the No. 1 option. But the other end of the field has to improve.
Yes. Yes and yes. I will say Schweitzer looked better than the last two games. With that being said. Changing goalies at half could be the kids of death. She was finally getting a read on players shooting and then you put someone in cold. I don’t particularly think either one one was worth eye transfer.
Second. Same and Sierra have been invisible. Same better on gb yesterday. But come one. She’s a fifth yr btw. Should be carrying the midfield and not relying on 55/49 Defense. Is a disaster. And that’s being kind. Cooper is now slightly exposed? Not surrounded by her support of the last 3 years. 12 looks scared to death. 31 is a huge ? For me other than being a sib of prob the best defender they had. I did like 15 running d mid. But they will get sliced apart by unc and bc if they play like that.

Re: Syracuse

Posted: Mon Feb 21, 2022 2:51 pm
by Lax101
Great points by all on Cuse. On a scale of 1-10 defense right now is about a 3. BC and UNC will drop 20 on them in a heartbeat. On offense their middies do nothing which is puzzling because last year both were very productive. Everyone expected EH to step in for Ward but offense is stagnant and ball does not move as well with her in the game. Offense was much more dynamic without her and with Ward. Draw was exploited yesterday by an average SB draw team. They miss Simpkins on the circle. Carney seems to be getting better each week and is moving impressively well. I even felt the impact of having a new coach yesterday. There were multiple times in the final 4 minutes where offense was struggling and game was getting messy and they would have benefitted from a timeout and a designed play. They will go as far as their defense will take them.

Re: Syracuse

Posted: Mon Feb 21, 2022 3:33 pm
by laxer12
seacoaster wrote: Mon Feb 21, 2022 1:50 pm Watched the second half of the Cuse-SBU game today, after having to stop last night (went to an Indian place and then saw Rachael and Vilray instead of Joe Spallina's checked blazer). Here's what I think:

First, they have to make a goalie decision; the platoon thing will not work out. I think Hower is the better ball stopper, and seems more confident clearing.

Second, if you are a senior on the first midfield for a top five program, you have to score goals. Nos. 3 and 43 have to produce. Sam in particular needs to stop aiming for the goalie's naval or stick.

Third, defense is currently a problem. If SBU had handled three passes into the middle of the Eight, it would have beaten Syracuse. Teams with good ball movement and which, like many, feature two players at or below GLE, are going to give Syracuse fits, because the low defenders are not getting into the hands of the below GLE carriers and the topside players aren't communicating adequately to follow the cuts. Syracuse seems to have Cooper covering a huge expanse of ground, and not even she can manage all this turf.

The offense will get better. Sam and Sierra will shoot better. The offense will learn to play with EH as a complimentary strength rather than the No. 1 option. But the other end of the field has to improve.
Absolutely agree that Hower needs to be made the full-time goalkeeper. But unfortunately, from what Kayla has stated in her postgame pressers, it doesn't seem like she's going to change the two-goalie rotation anytime soon.

The team as a whole needs to start shooting way better than they have been and to stop making goalkeepers (Stanford and now Stony Brook) look like rockstars. The two Megs are shooting over 70% on the season so far but yet almost everyone else is shooting way below 50%.

The defense does need to get a lot better but they are definitely improving. To make that final stop when they were down a player and Stony Brook had all the momentum on their side, was very gusty if you ask me. Stony Brook definitely could've beaten Cuse if it moved the ball more crisply. However, if the attackers/midfielders placed their shots more effectively at all... SU would've had a comfortable 4-5 goal win at the very least.

Re: Syracuse

Posted: Mon Feb 21, 2022 4:02 pm
by laxer12
Cagekeeper wrote: Mon Feb 21, 2022 2:24 pm
seacoaster wrote: Mon Feb 21, 2022 1:50 pm Watched the second half of the Cuse-SBU game today, after having to stop last night (went to an Indian place and then saw Rachael and Vilray instead of Joe Spallina's checked blazer). Here's what I think:

First, they have to make a goalie decision; the platoon thing will not work out. I think Hower is the better ball stopper, and seems more confident clearing.

Second, if you are a senior on the first midfield for a top five program, you have to score goals. Nos. 3 and 43 have to produce. Sam in particular needs to stop aiming for the goalie's naval or stick.

Third, defense is currently a problem. If SBU had handled three passes into the middle of the Eight, it would have beaten Syracuse. Teams with good ball movement and which, like many, feature two players at or below GLE, are going to give Syracuse fits, because the low defenders are not getting into the hands of the below GLE carriers and the topside players aren't communicating adequately to follow the cuts. Syracuse seems to have Cooper covering a huge expanse of ground, and not even she can manage all this turf.

The offense will get better. Sam and Sierra will shoot better. The offense will learn to play with EH as a complimentary strength rather than the No. 1 option. But the other end of the field has to improve.
Yes. Yes and yes. I will say Schweitzer looked better than the last two games. With that being said. Changing goalies at half could be the kids of death. She was finally getting a read on players shooting and then you put someone in cold. I don’t particularly think either one one was worth eye transfer.
Second. Same and Sierra have been invisible. Same better on gb yesterday. But come one. She’s a fifth yr btw. Should be carrying the midfield and not relying on 55/49 Defense. Is a disaster. And that’s being kind. Cooper is now slightly exposed? Not surrounded by her support of the last 3 years. 12 looks scared to death. 31 is a huge ? For me other than being a sib of prob the best defender they had. I did like 15 running d mid. But they will get sliced apart by unc and bc if they play like that.
Hower has definitely shown the propensity to be an effective goalkeeper. Katie Goodale looks scared to death? She leads the team in caused turnovers and has been very impressive in the clearing game. She is one of the few bright spots of the very new defense in my opinion.

Re: Syracuse

Posted: Mon Feb 21, 2022 4:22 pm
by Cagekeeper
laxer12 wrote: Mon Feb 21, 2022 4:02 pm
Cagekeeper wrote: Mon Feb 21, 2022 2:24 pm
seacoaster wrote: Mon Feb 21, 2022 1:50 pm Watched the second half of the Cuse-SBU game today, after having to stop last night (went to an Indian place and then saw Rachael and Vilray instead of Joe Spallina's checked blazer). Here's what I think:

First, they have to make a goalie decision; the platoon thing will not work out. I think Hower is the better ball stopper, and seems more confident clearing.

Second, if you are a senior on the first midfield for a top five program, you have to score goals. Nos. 3 and 43 have to produce. Sam in particular needs to stop aiming for the goalie's naval or stick.

Third, defense is currently a problem. If SBU had handled three passes into the middle of the Eight, it would have beaten Syracuse. Teams with good ball movement and which, like many, feature two players at or below GLE, are going to give Syracuse fits, because the low defenders are not getting into the hands of the below GLE carriers and the topside players aren't communicating adequately to follow the cuts. Syracuse seems to have Cooper covering a huge expanse of ground, and not even she can manage all this turf.

The offense will get better. Sam and Sierra will shoot better. The offense will learn to play with EH as a complimentary strength rather than the No. 1 option. But the other end of the field has to improve.
Yes. Yes and yes. I will say Schweitzer looked better than the last two games. With that being said. Changing goalies at half could be the kids of death. She was finally getting a read on players shooting and then you put someone in cold. I don’t particularly think either one one was worth eye transfer.
Second. Same and Sierra have been invisible. Same better on gb yesterday. But come one. She’s a fifth yr btw. Should be carrying the midfield and not relying on 55/49 Defense. Is a disaster. And that’s being kind. Cooper is now slightly exposed? Not surrounded by her support of the last 3 years. 12 looks scared to death. 31 is a huge ? For me other than being a sib of prob the best defender they had. I did like 15 running d mid. But they will get sliced apart by unc and bc if they play like that.
Hower has definitely shown the propensity to be an effective goalkeeper. Katie Goodale looks scared to death? She leads the team in caused turnovers and has been very impressive in the clearing game. She is one of the few bright spots of the very new defense in my opinion.
Ok. Compared to who else is playing sure. She’s better. Still looks scared. Can def take a hit.
I think in time she will become the best defender out of the bunch. I’m sure it’s overwhelming. The dome is the big stage.
I am not optimistic about this defense I’m sorry. I think Hawryschuk is trying too hard and I think the team had a really good chemistry last year without her.
She did play a little better without the brace I was kind of surprised to see that. I did however enjoy seeing her back on the draw. and they are definitely missing ward

Re: Syracuse

Posted: Mon Feb 21, 2022 4:25 pm
by laxer12
Lax101 wrote: Mon Feb 21, 2022 2:51 pm Great points by all on Cuse. On a scale of 1-10 defense right now is about a 3. BC and UNC will drop 20 on them in a heartbeat. On offense their middies do nothing which is puzzling because last year both were very productive. Everyone expected EH to step in for Ward but offense is stagnant and ball does not move as well with her in the game. Offense was much more dynamic without her and with Ward. Draw was exploited yesterday by an average SB draw team. They miss Simpkins on the circle. Carney seems to be getting better each week and is moving impressively well. I even felt the impact of having a new coach yesterday. There were multiple times in the final 4 minutes where offense was struggling and game was getting messy and they would have benefitted from a timeout and a designed play. They will go as far as their defense will take them.
Emily just needs to be a cutter and a dodger -- she doesn't need to have the same feeding/passing abilities as Ward has. I feel she is finding her way (back to where she was in 2020) more so with every game she plays. She (and along with the vast majority of offensive Cuse players) does need to correct her shooting.

Olivia Adamson should be on the attack the entire game. She contributes mightily when it comes to the Cuse offense flowing and effectively moving the ball. She's very versatile and can shoot/pass with both hands and has the highest shooting percentage on the team in her limited playing time thus far.

Re: Syracuse

Posted: Mon Feb 21, 2022 4:46 pm
by Cagekeeper
laxer12 wrote: Mon Feb 21, 2022 4:25 pm
Lax101 wrote: Mon Feb 21, 2022 2:51 pm Great points by all on Cuse. On a scale of 1-10 defense right now is about a 3. BC and UNC will drop 20 on them in a heartbeat. On offense their middies do nothing which is puzzling because last year both were very productive. Everyone expected EH to step in for Ward but offense is stagnant and ball does not move as well with her in the game. Offense was much more dynamic without her and with Ward. Draw was exploited yesterday by an average SB draw team. They miss Simpkins on the circle. Carney seems to be getting better each week and is moving impressively well. I even felt the impact of having a new coach yesterday. There were multiple times in the final 4 minutes where offense was struggling and game was getting messy and they would have benefitted from a timeout and a designed play. They will go as far as their defense will take them.
Emily just needs to be a cutter and a dodger -- she doesn't need to have the same feeding/passing abilities as Ward has. I feel she is finding her way (back to where she was in 2020) more so with every game she plays. She (and along with the vast majority of offensive Cuse players) do need to correct their shooting.

Olivia Adamson should be on the attack the entire game. She contributes mightily when it comes to the Cuse offense flowing and effectively moving the ball. She's very versatile and can shoot/pass with both hands and has the highest shooting percentage on the team in her limited playing time thus far.
totally agree. Olivia is a great addition. She’s been waiting a long time to get here. If you noticed Schweitzer didn’t get as much time second half
As I said. I don’t get the take on them

Re: Syracuse

Posted: Mon Feb 21, 2022 5:38 pm
by Bart
laxer12 wrote: Mon Feb 21, 2022 4:25 pm
Lax101 wrote: Mon Feb 21, 2022 2:51 pm Great points by all on Cuse. On a scale of 1-10 defense right now is about a 3. BC and UNC will drop 20 on them in a heartbeat. On offense their middies do nothing which is puzzling because last year both were very productive. Everyone expected EH to step in for Ward but offense is stagnant and ball does not move as well with her in the game. Offense was much more dynamic without her and with Ward. Draw was exploited yesterday by an average SB draw team. They miss Simpkins on the circle. Carney seems to be getting better each week and is moving impressively well. I even felt the impact of having a new coach yesterday. There were multiple times in the final 4 minutes where offense was struggling and game was getting messy and they would have benefitted from a timeout and a designed play. They will go as far as their defense will take them.
Emily just needs to be a cutter and a dodger -- she doesn't need to have the same feeding/passing abilities as Ward has. I feel she is finding her way (back to where she was in 2020) more so with every game she plays. She (and along with the vast majority of offensive Cuse players) does need to correct her shooting.

Olivia Adamson should be on the attack the entire game. She contributes mightily when it comes to the Cuse offense flowing and effectively moving the ball. She's very versatile and can shoot/pass with both hands and has the highest shooting percentage on the team in her limited playing time thus far.
I thought 24 was playing attack all evening. I did not notice her playing defense. They seemed to be running 15 in the defensive box with 35/1 the offensive box. Middies were 3/43 and 49/55. I may be misremembering but I do not think so.

Re: Syracuse

Posted: Mon Feb 21, 2022 5:39 pm
by seacoaster
I think No. 12 Goodale has done a nice job so far. She's learning, and pretty effective clearing.

Re: Syracuse

Posted: Tue Feb 22, 2022 7:04 am
by OuttaNowhereWregget
The upcoming schedule will have many tests for the Orange:

Mar 1 (Tue) TBA Away #5 Northwestern
Mar 6 (Sun) 12 PM Home #7 Duke
Mar 12 (Sat) 12 PM Away #13 Virginia
Mar 16 (Wed) 6:30 PM Away #7 Florida
Mar 19 (Sat) 1 PM Away #20 Virginia Tech
Mar 26 (Sat) 4:30 PM Home #20 Temple
Mar 29 (Tue) 6 PM Home #8 Loyola
> vs pitt
Apr 9 (Sat) 2 PM Home #2 North Carolina

Re: Syracuse

Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2022 7:30 am
by OuttaNowhereWregget
After last night's OT win over the Golden Domers, I've come to the conclusion that this Orange team will not challenge for the crown at the end of May. I don’t think that’s a stretch to say after having a pretty decent sample size of their wins over Stanford, Binghamton, Stony Brook and Notre Dame. They may not even make it to the final weekend. I can’t see them putting it all together between now and then.

Let’s face it, this program has a new coach in her first head-coaching position. It takes time to build a system regardless of the talent level inherited. There are some good coaches doing good things with their programs these days, like Jill Batcheller at Villanova and Melissa Lehman at Rutgers, and John Sung at Carthage (lol—just wanted to see if you were paying attention, Doc 😉); but it takes time to build a contender regardless of the talent a coach has on their team. Coaching seems to matter a lot more in women’s lacrosse than it does in some other sports—like NBA basketball, for instance. A team bursting with talent like Syracuse will cover over coaching mistakes (like they did last night) on occasion. Kayla Treanor will experience being outcoached this season at some point and her team won't be able to cover it. Doesn’t mean she’s not a good coach; doesn’t mean she won’t put it all together in the future. But it won’t be this year. Too soon in the proceedings. I also don't know if Treanor will be able to "coach out" the boneheaded mistakes this team seems inherently prone to commit during big postseason games. Or the unnecessary flash alluded to toward the end of the Syracuse/Notre Dame game thread by wlaxphan if I'm remembering accurately.

Re: Syracuse

Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2022 7:51 am
by seacoaster
Hard to disagree with the gist of that post, ONW. I think it is graduation as much as anything else. The goalie and defense situation is just tough. Neither goalie had a good game, Notre Dame generated decent looks and FPSs, and Notre Dame shot well from the FPS. But you need a goalie who is going to make a few stops a game of likely goals. That is not happening. Good ball movement seems to generate FPSs, and if the opponent converts, then this is what you get.

The first midfield has to have a conversation. Nos. 3 and 43 have to do things better. I never doubt Swart's hustle and passion -- she works really hard and never lets down, but Sam has to shoot better. And the careless, concrete feet pass with about a minute to go in regulation was really a moment that the coaching staff might use to give Cockerille a polite talking-to.

They do a lot of things well. Their fast break is just a pleasure to watch. Settled offense is good, and EH looks a little better, a little more in-synch every game. Carney has improved; her use of the left hand, and her passing have improved over the last year. House Tyrell almost never lets you down. The role players -- 55, 49, 35, 1 -- are playing pretty well. Draws are OK to good. Clearing and play between the 30s is good. The problems occur at the other end of the field.

Re: Syracuse

Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2022 8:05 am
by DMac
seacoaster wrote
and EH looks a little better, a little more in-synch every game
Yes, EH, looked more relaxed, at ease, lose, and not so much as if she feels she has to prove herself as a super star who carries the team again. I liked what I saw from her, best I've seen her look and I think it'll getter better as the season goes on.

Re: Syracuse

Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2022 10:29 am
by Cagekeeper
DMac wrote: Sun Feb 27, 2022 8:05 am
seacoaster wrote
and EH looks a little better, a little more in-synch every game
Yes, EH, looked more relaxed, at ease, lose, and not so much as if she feels she has to prove herself as a super star who carries the team again. I liked what I saw from her, best I've seen her look and I think it'll getter better as the season goes on.
I’ve said it repeatedly. The defense is a huge issue. Two transfers that are not worthy imo And I believe Cuse commited 40something fouls. Nd was stellar
On fps and they gave them way too many opportunities to take them. I will say that 12 has
Come around and I think is playing the best out of them
All including Cooper. I like 45on d. I thought that was an odd move at first but it’s working. 31 is again. A big ? For me. I just don’t see anything. Fast breaks are pretty. The other Schweitzer is also not a big transfer grab for me. I know I know. Not the coach. Just saying what I see. I agree. 43 and 3. Not up to par. And Meaghan was quiet but scored the tiebreaker. Always steps up when it counts. ONW I agree. Cuse won’t make the final four.

Re: Syracuse

Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2022 12:33 pm
by user1020
Is MD better than Cuse?

Re: Syracuse

Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2022 12:56 pm
by OuttaNowhereWregget
user1020 wrote: Sun Feb 27, 2022 12:33 pm Is MD better than Cuse?
It's a fair question. I would say Reese gives Maryland the edge.
Would have been great to see them play this season to find out, but well, that topic is a whole other skillet of plantains.

Re: Syracuse

Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2022 1:05 pm
by user1020
OuttaNowhereWregget wrote: Sun Feb 27, 2022 12:56 pm
user1020 wrote: Sun Feb 27, 2022 12:33 pm Is MD better than Cuse?
It's a fair question. I would say Reese gives Maryland the edge.
Would have been great to see them play this season to find out, but well, that topic is a whole other skillet of plantains.
I agree. Wish MD would have kept them on the schedule, I think it would’ve been a great game. Maybe they’ll meet in the post season

Re: Syracuse

Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2022 2:24 pm
by laxer12
OuttaNowhereWregget wrote: Sun Feb 27, 2022 7:30 am After last night's OT win over the Golden Domers, I've come to the conclusion that this Orange team will not challenge for the crown at the end of May. I don’t think that’s a stretch to say after having a pretty decent sample size of their wins over Stanford, Binghamton, Stony Brook and Notre Dame. They may not even make it to the final weekend. I can’t see them putting it all together between now and then.

Let’s face it, this program has a new coach in her first head-coaching position. It takes time to build a system regardless of the talent level inherited. There are some good coaches doing good things with their programs these days, like Jill Batcheller at Villanova and Melissa Lehman at Rutgers, and John Sung at Carthage (lol—just wanted to see if you were paying attention, Doc 😉); but it takes time to build a contender regardless of the talent a coach has on their team. Coaching seems to matter a lot more in women’s lacrosse than it does in some other sports—like NBA basketball, for instance. A team bursting with talent like Syracuse will cover over coaching mistakes (like they did last night) on occasion. Kayla Treanor will experience being outcoached this season at some point and her team won't be able to cover it. Doesn’t mean she’s not a good coach; doesn’t mean she won’t put it all together in the future. But it won’t be this year. Too soon in the proceedings. I also don't know if Treanor will be able to "coach out" the boneheaded mistakes this team seems inherently prone to commit during big postseason games. Or the unnecessary flash alluded to toward the end of the Syracuse/Notre Dame game thread by wlaxphan if I'm remembering accurately.
I think it's way too early in the season to come to that conclusion. So much room for improvement (or decline) between now and May. Has Syracuse's defense been underwhelming and mediocre at times this young season? Absolutely. They need to ditch the two-goalie system and make Hower the full-time starter. She made some big saves in that third quarter that lead to Syracuse transition goals on the other end. I think Cuse's' zone defense has been good for stretches of some games- definitely not the full 60 minutes. They were very active in limiting Notre Dame good looks on offense for the first 20-or so minutes of the game. After that, well... not so much. But definitely believe Notre Dame was gifted a few of those free position opportunities; Coach Treanor also shared this sentiment.

Syracuse's offense hasn't reached its peak. They've shown flashes of how dominant they can be when they're all moving and passing/feeding the ball with such zip and accuracy. Hawryschuk is still working her way back to 100%, and honestly I don't think Carney has reached her 2021 form yet either. The midfield obviously hasn't produced enough as of yet either. They still have a ways to go before they're offensively firing on all cylinders.