Re: Coaching Carousel Pre-2020 Season
Posted: Mon Jun 17, 2019 8:13 am
Ole Miss club teamyouthathletics wrote: ↑Sun Jun 16, 2019 9:21 pm Alabama doesn’t have a team. Maybe you meant tobacco?
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Ole Miss club teamyouthathletics wrote: ↑Sun Jun 16, 2019 9:21 pm Alabama doesn’t have a team. Maybe you meant tobacco?
I have no inside scoop but This would be interesting and the tail wagging the dog. Hear his wife is the breadwinner with an established medical practice in South Bend. That isn’t easy to just move elsewhere and start over unless Harvard medical school is offering some position? who knows but this National search was announced at the beginning of May so started well before that . Time is ticking and Summer recruiting evaluations are taking place.
Agreed - a good thoughtful response from MD.Muleski wrote: ↑Thu Jun 13, 2019 6:01 pm Good post, MDlaxfan76, and great thinking.
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Going to be interested to see this unfold in Cambridge. Things should be looking up for the Crimson, with any of the candidates mentioned in the seat.
My money is on JT. And if that happens, it would be a mistake to laugh off Kirwan to Amherst, IMO.
No clue what Kirwan's career path objectives are, but I'm guessing he would want to stay in D1. He's still young and his D1 assistant resume' will get him to a HC D1 job faster than going D3 first, IMHO..HooDat wrote: ↑Mon Jun 17, 2019 11:17 amAgreed - a good thoughtful response from MD.Muleski wrote: ↑Thu Jun 13, 2019 6:01 pm Good post, MDlaxfan76, and great thinking.
Wish we had a "like" button.
Going to be interested to see this unfold in Cambridge. Things should be looking up for the Crimson, with any of the candidates mentioned in the seat.
My money is on JT. And if that happens, it would be a mistake to laugh off Kirwan to Amherst, IMO.
re: Kirwin to Amherst - curious if anyone knows the difference in pay between a UVA assistant coach and an Amherst head coach? I would not be surprised if someone told me that generally a top assistant at a fully funded D1 makes about the same as a head coach at a D3 - but I don't know. And I definitely don't know the specifics wrt UVA and Amherst. In spite of MD's reasonable comments re: coaching skills applicability to D3 versus D1 - it does seem that guys end up pigeonholed.... Which, if a true dynamic, would make it hard to go from a top assistant at a school like UVA to almost any D3 program - particularly one that has had some great success - which translates into a lot of downside risk for the new coach....
I absolutely agree. I actually think that a smart AD should be more inclined to take a D3 coach who has proved he can be a successful HEAD coach rather than a top assistant from D1. there is a big difference between being a head coach and being an assistant coach.ctbagataway wrote: ↑Mon Jun 17, 2019 2:09 pm And I strongly disagree that you have to had D1 experience to be able to coach in D1.
this is my point re: the Amherst job. If I were Kirwin, or any top rated D1 coach I would be scared of stepping into a lose-lose situation. You have a hard time topping the results at Amherst - so how do you make a name for yourself? Given the (i think stupid) bias that seems to exist toward D1 for D1, it would be very risky to leave a top assistant spot at UVA for a head spot at a D3 that has been playing memorial weekends...ctbagataway wrote: ↑Mon Jun 17, 2019 2:09 pm No matter who replaced Lars was going to have some work to do.
Not sure I would call it a risk. 6 figure salary, full time assistants, top notch facilities, fantastic campus best academics, history, but this was their first long run, so a lot to build on.Spot on analysis! No way Kirwan risks going to Amherst.
You're conflating the issue, Amherst job is attractive...but, if his desire is to coach D1, I would stay at UVA and keep getting to FF's and then jump to another D1 HC job. Not saying it's right(re: the difficultly going from D3 to D1), but the current trend is to hire D1 assistants. Personally, if I were a D1 AD, I would want someone with HC experience regardless of division...sguy9 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 17, 2019 4:01 pmNot sure I would call it a risk. 6 figure salary, full time assistants, top notch facilities, fantastic campus best academics, history, but this was their first long run, so a lot to build on.Spot on analysis! No way Kirwan risks going to Amherst.
And, he is a NESCAC guy, so he gets it.
exactlyoldjayfan wrote: ↑Mon Jun 17, 2019 4:11 pmYou're conflating the issue, Amherst job is attractive...but, if his desire is to coach D1, I would stay at UVA and keep getting to FF's and then jump to another D1 HC job. Not saying it's right(re: the difficultly going from D3 to D1), but the current trend is to hire D1 assistants. Personally, if I were a D1 AD, I would want someone with HC experience regardless of division...sguy9 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 17, 2019 4:01 pmNot sure I would call it a risk. 6 figure salary, full time assistants, top notch facilities, fantastic campus best academics, history, but this was their first long run, so a lot to build on.Spot on analysis! No way Kirwan risks going to Amherst.
And, he is a NESCAC guy, so he gets it.
Have you ever visited Ole Miss in Oxford...Heaven on earth...enough to make you forget D-1 lacrosseTypical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Mon Jun 17, 2019 8:13 amOle Miss club teamyouthathletics wrote: ↑Sun Jun 16, 2019 9:21 pm Alabama doesn’t have a team. Maybe you meant tobacco?
No. I have heard good things about it. I have friends with kids that went there. I have never been to Mississippi and have no desire to go. But again, I have heard good things about it.Blackdoglax wrote: ↑Mon Jun 17, 2019 7:49 pmHave you ever visited Ole Miss in Oxford...Heaven on earth...enough to make you forget D-1 lacrosseTypical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Mon Jun 17, 2019 8:13 amOle Miss club teamyouthathletics wrote: ↑Sun Jun 16, 2019 9:21 pm Alabama doesn’t have a team. Maybe you meant tobacco?
As of this moment, Amherst has a coach and the position isn't open, so I can't see Kirwan putting much thought into it, nor do I think he's so desperate to be a HC he'd take the first thing that came along. He's with a winning program at UVA, he's highly respected, and they have a bright future. If Harvard makes an offer I'd bet he would take it, but if they don't I see him staying right where he is for another year or two. There will always be opportunities down the road. (FWIW, Princeton hasn't smelled a NCAA bid in years, which is a shame for guys like Tom Schrieber and Michael Sowers. How long does Matt Madalon have before patience wears out? Kirwan's from NJ. Just sayin').oldjayfan wrote: ↑Mon Jun 17, 2019 4:11 pmYou're conflating the issue, Amherst job is attractive...but, if his desire is to coach D1, I would stay at UVA and keep getting to FF's and then jump to another D1 HC job. Not saying it's right(re: the difficultly going from D3 to D1), but the current trend is to hire D1 assistants. Personally, if I were a D1 AD, I would want someone with HC experience regardless of division...sguy9 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 17, 2019 4:01 pmNot sure I would call it a risk. 6 figure salary, full time assistants, top notch facilities, fantastic campus best academics, history, but this was their first long run, so a lot to build on.Spot on analysis! No way Kirwan risks going to Amherst.
And, he is a NESCAC guy, so he gets it.
They opted to put UVa on it instead. Welcome to Annapolis, Coach Amplo.Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Fri Jun 07, 2019 7:08 pm Navy should put Marist, Binghamton and NJIT on the schedule.
Exactly. It's a good hire for Navy. Looking forward to watching his progress.HowieT3 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 18, 2019 6:00 pmThey opted to put UVa on it instead. Welcome to Annapolis, Coach Amplo.Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Fri Jun 07, 2019 7:08 pm Navy should put Marist, Binghamton and NJIT on the schedule.