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jhu72 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 23, 2022 1:05 pm We recall that February 1 Denmark relaxed all mandates and social distancing requirements. Their numbers were moving in the right direction. 3 weeks later the numbers are moving in the wrong direction and the Danish Women's soccer team has withdrawn from the Algrave Cup tournament as a number of team members have comedown with COVID. Denmark's numbers are going up as the BA.2 variant has become dominant in Denmark.

BA.2 has been detected in 74 countries and 47 U.S. states, but experts are keeping a close eye on Denmark, where it’s now responsible for nearly 90% of new COVID cases, as it has fueled a second omicron surge.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/soccer ... uxbndlbing

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Wed Feb 23, 2022 1:43 pm

wgdsr wrote: ↑Wed Feb 23, 2022 1:32 pm

jhu72 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 23, 2022 1:05 pm We recall that February 1 Denmark relaxed all mandates and social distancing requirements. Their numbers were moving in the right direction. 3 weeks later the numbers are moving in the wrong direction and the Danish Women's soccer team has withdrawn from the Algrave Cup tournament as a number of team members have comedown with COVID. Denmark's numbers are going up as the BA.2 variant has become dominant in Denmark.

BA.2 has been detected in 74 countries and 47 U.S. states, but experts are keeping a close eye on Denmark, where it’s now responsible for nearly 90% of new COVID cases, as it has fueled a second omicron surge.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/soccer ... uxbndlbing

i think most people would take denmark's results.
80% fully vaxxed.
0.2% case fatality rate.

my boys at ihme have their infections down 50% already, hospitalization has turned south and deaths are supposed to like now.
as far as one mitigation easing, they have them at 13% masks vs a high of 18% in early feb. after they were around 1% for months late in 2021.

if there's another surge coming shortly, it'll have to fight the declines already happening.

If we were at .2% things would be much different. Maybe we will get there. 2% right now and hopefully we see it decline rapidly.

wgdsr wrote: ↑Wed Feb 23, 2022 1:52 pm

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Wed Feb 23, 2022 1:43 pm

wgdsr wrote: ↑Wed Feb 23, 2022 1:32 pm

jhu72 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 23, 2022 1:05 pm We recall that February 1 Denmark relaxed all mandates and social distancing requirements. Their numbers were moving in the right direction. 3 weeks later the numbers are moving in the wrong direction and the Danish Women's soccer team has withdrawn from the Algrave Cup tournament as a number of team members have comedown with COVID. Denmark's numbers are going up as the BA.2 variant has become dominant in Denmark.

BA.2 has been detected in 74 countries and 47 U.S. states, but experts are keeping a close eye on Denmark, where it’s now responsible for nearly 90% of new COVID cases, as it has fueled a second omicron surge.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/soccer ... uxbndlbing

i think most people would take denmark's results.
80% fully vaxxed.
0.2% case fatality rate.

my boys at ihme have their infections down 50% already, hospitalization has turned south and deaths are supposed to like now.
as far as one mitigation easing, they have them at 13% masks vs a high of 18% in early feb. after they were around 1% for months late in 2021.

if there's another surge coming shortly, it'll have to fight the declines already happening.

If we were at .2% things would be much different. Maybe we will get there. 2% right now and hopefully we see it decline rapidly.

your go to has it at 1.2%

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Wed Feb 23, 2022 2:22 pm

wgdsr wrote: ↑Wed Feb 23, 2022 1:52 pm

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Wed Feb 23, 2022 1:43 pm

wgdsr wrote: ↑Wed Feb 23, 2022 1:32 pm

jhu72 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 23, 2022 1:05 pm We recall that February 1 Denmark relaxed all mandates and social distancing requirements. Their numbers were moving in the right direction. 3 weeks later the numbers are moving in the wrong direction and the Danish Women's soccer team has withdrawn from the Algrave Cup tournament as a number of team members have comedown with COVID. Denmark's numbers are going up as the BA.2 variant has become dominant in Denmark.

BA.2 has been detected in 74 countries and 47 U.S. states, but experts are keeping a close eye on Denmark, where it’s now responsible for nearly 90% of new COVID cases, as it has fueled a second omicron surge.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/soccer ... uxbndlbing

i think most people would take denmark's results.
80% fully vaxxed.
0.2% case fatality rate.

my boys at ihme have their infections down 50% already, hospitalization has turned south and deaths are supposed to like now.
as far as one mitigation easing, they have them at 13% masks vs a high of 18% in early feb. after they were around 1% for months late in 2021.

if there's another surge coming shortly, it'll have to fight the declines already happening.

If we were at .2% things would be much different. Maybe we will get there. 2% right now and hopefully we see it decline rapidly.

your go to has it at 1.2%

What is 963,595 / 53,163,424?

Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Wed Feb 23, 2022 1:46 pm

jhu72 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 23, 2022 1:05 pm We recall that February 1 Denmark relaxed all mandates and social distancing requirements. Their numbers were moving in the right direction. 3 weeks later the numbers are moving in the wrong direction and the Danish Women's soccer team has withdrawn from the Algrave Cup tournament as a number of team members have comedown with COVID. Denmark's numbers are going up as the BA.2 variant has become dominant in Denmark.

BA.2 has been detected in 74 countries and 47 U.S. states, but experts are keeping a close eye on Denmark, where it’s now responsible for nearly 90% of new COVID cases, as it has fueled a second omicron surge.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/soccer ... uxbndlbing

If we’re unlikely to get to critical mass then don’t we have to accept
Ebbs and flows and some degree of risk? Is your position we need a zero contraction level in order to remove mask mandates? What level
Of cost is acceptable? I view it through the lens of my young kids socialization on psyche and how this impacts them under the presumption that masks are temporal and have an endpoint. Under that baseline I think the cost is starting to outweigh the benefit. What’s your position?

BTW I vote zero in poll because folks I know taken down by the virus would have found it wildly disrespectful to their families to politicize the loss of a members life.

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Wed Feb 23, 2022 2:22 pm What is 963,595 / 53,163,424?

wgdsr wrote: ↑Wed Feb 23, 2022 2:24 pm

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Wed Feb 23, 2022 2:22 pm

wgdsr wrote: ↑Wed Feb 23, 2022 1:52 pm

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Wed Feb 23, 2022 1:43 pm

wgdsr wrote: ↑Wed Feb 23, 2022 1:32 pm

jhu72 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 23, 2022 1:05 pm We recall that February 1 Denmark relaxed all mandates and social distancing requirements. Their numbers were moving in the right direction. 3 weeks later the numbers are moving in the wrong direction and the Danish Women's soccer team has withdrawn from the Algrave Cup tournament as a number of team members have comedown with COVID. Denmark's numbers are going up as the BA.2 variant has become dominant in Denmark.

BA.2 has been detected in 74 countries and 47 U.S. states, but experts are keeping a close eye on Denmark, where it’s now responsible for nearly 90% of new COVID cases, as it has fueled a second omicron surge.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/soccer ... uxbndlbing

i think most people would take denmark's results.
80% fully vaxxed.
0.2% case fatality rate.

my boys at ihme have their infections down 50% already, hospitalization has turned south and deaths are supposed to like now.
as far as one mitigation easing, they have them at 13% masks vs a high of 18% in early feb. after they were around 1% for months late in 2021.

if there's another surge coming shortly, it'll have to fight the declines already happening.

If we were at .2% things would be much different. Maybe we will get there. 2% right now and hopefully we see it decline rapidly.

your go to has it at 1.2%

What is 963,595 / 53,163,424?

1.81%

youthathletics wrote: ↑Wed Feb 23, 2022 2:34 pm

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Wed Feb 23, 2022 2:22 pm What is 963,595 / 53,163,424?

Where are you getting the 53,263,424?

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Wed Feb 23, 2022 2:56 pm

wgdsr wrote: ↑Wed Feb 23, 2022 2:24 pm

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Wed Feb 23, 2022 2:22 pm

wgdsr wrote: ↑Wed Feb 23, 2022 1:52 pm

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Wed Feb 23, 2022 1:43 pm

wgdsr wrote: ↑Wed Feb 23, 2022 1:32 pm

jhu72 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 23, 2022 1:05 pm We recall that February 1 Denmark relaxed all mandates and social distancing requirements. Their numbers were moving in the right direction. 3 weeks later the numbers are moving in the wrong direction and the Danish Women's soccer team has withdrawn from the Algrave Cup tournament as a number of team members have comedown with COVID. Denmark's numbers are going up as the BA.2 variant has become dominant in Denmark.

BA.2 has been detected in 74 countries and 47 U.S. states, but experts are keeping a close eye on Denmark, where it’s now responsible for nearly 90% of new COVID cases, as it has fueled a second omicron surge.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/soccer ... uxbndlbing

i think most people would take denmark's results.
80% fully vaxxed.
0.2% case fatality rate.

my boys at ihme have their infections down 50% already, hospitalization has turned south and deaths are supposed to like now.
as far as one mitigation easing, they have them at 13% masks vs a high of 18% in early feb. after they were around 1% for months late in 2021.

if there's another surge coming shortly, it'll have to fight the declines already happening.

If we were at .2% things would be much different. Maybe we will get there. 2% right now and hopefully we see it decline rapidly.

your go to has it at 1.2%

What is 963,595 / 53,163,424?

1.81%

Thanks. It was rounded up to 2%. Denmark was .2% from the same “reference” (which isn’t the same as “go to” BTW).

wgdsr wrote: ↑Wed Feb 23, 2022 3:06 pm

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Wed Feb 23, 2022 2:56 pm

wgdsr wrote: ↑Wed Feb 23, 2022 2:24 pm

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Wed Feb 23, 2022 2:22 pm

wgdsr wrote: ↑Wed Feb 23, 2022 1:52 pm

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Wed Feb 23, 2022 1:43 pm

wgdsr wrote: ↑Wed Feb 23, 2022 1:32 pm

jhu72 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 23, 2022 1:05 pm We recall that February 1 Denmark relaxed all mandates and social distancing requirements. Their numbers were moving in the right direction. 3 weeks later the numbers are moving in the wrong direction and the Danish Women's soccer team has withdrawn from the Algrave Cup tournament as a number of team members have comedown with COVID. Denmark's numbers are going up as the BA.2 variant has become dominant in Denmark.

BA.2 has been detected in 74 countries and 47 U.S. states, but experts are keeping a close eye on Denmark, where it’s now responsible for nearly 90% of new COVID cases, as it has fueled a second omicron surge.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/soccer ... uxbndlbing

i think most people would take denmark's results.
80% fully vaxxed.
0.2% case fatality rate.

my boys at ihme have their infections down 50% already, hospitalization has turned south and deaths are supposed to like now.
as far as one mitigation easing, they have them at 13% masks vs a high of 18% in early feb. after they were around 1% for months late in 2021.

if there's another surge coming shortly, it'll have to fight the declines already happening.

If we were at .2% things would be much different. Maybe we will get there. 2% right now and hopefully we see it decline rapidly.

your go to has it at 1.2%

What is 963,595 / 53,163,424?

1.81%

Thanks. It was rounded up to 2%. Denmark was .2% from the same “reference” (which isn’t the same as “go to” BTW).

i forgot you like cases to be closed. maybe when we have a different health system. and hopefully those other 27 million people are ok!

my ihme guys had over 100 million cases estimated between mid jan and mid feb '22 alone. at least directional. seems probable omicron is less lethal on a per case basis, thankfully. we'll see whether there's immunity out of that for a while.

all of son's three roomies have it now. all feeling really awful, but hopefully not serious cases.

jhu72 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 23, 2022 2:28 pm

Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Wed Feb 23, 2022 1:46 pm

jhu72 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 23, 2022 1:05 pm We recall that February 1 Denmark relaxed all mandates and social distancing requirements. Their numbers were moving in the right direction. 3 weeks later the numbers are moving in the wrong direction and the Danish Women's soccer team has withdrawn from the Algrave Cup tournament as a number of team members have comedown with COVID. Denmark's numbers are going up as the BA.2 variant has become dominant in Denmark.

BA.2 has been detected in 74 countries and 47 U.S. states, but experts are keeping a close eye on Denmark, where it’s now responsible for nearly 90% of new COVID cases, as it has fueled a second omicron surge.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/soccer ... uxbndlbing

If we’re unlikely to get to critical mass then don’t we have to accept
Ebbs and flows and some degree of risk? Is your position we need a zero contraction level in order to remove mask mandates? What level
Of cost is acceptable? I view it through the lens of my young kids socialization on psyche and how this impacts them under the presumption that masks are temporal and have an endpoint. Under that baseline I think the cost is starting to outweigh the benefit. What’s your position?

BTW I vote zero in poll because folks I know taken down by the virus would have found it wildly disrespectful to their families to politicize the loss of a members life.

... I am only reporting the news. Don't have a position. It is what it is. It is better than it was 3 months ago. I think it is going to be hard to put the the defensive measures back in place if we need them. Hopefully we won't. The article I posted a few days ago about the long term efficacy of the vaccines and the really amazing T and B cell behaviors over time gives a lot of hope. We will see.

Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Wed Feb 23, 2022 4:16 pm

jhu72 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 23, 2022 2:28 pm

Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Wed Feb 23, 2022 1:46 pm

jhu72 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 23, 2022 1:05 pm We recall that February 1 Denmark relaxed all mandates and social distancing requirements. Their numbers were moving in the right direction. 3 weeks later the numbers are moving in the wrong direction and the Danish Women's soccer team has withdrawn from the Algrave Cup tournament as a number of team members have comedown with COVID. Denmark's numbers are going up as the BA.2 variant has become dominant in Denmark.

BA.2 has been detected in 74 countries and 47 U.S. states, but experts are keeping a close eye on Denmark, where it’s now responsible for nearly 90% of new COVID cases, as it has fueled a second omicron surge.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/soccer ... uxbndlbing

If we’re unlikely to get to critical mass then don’t we have to accept
Ebbs and flows and some degree of risk? Is your position we need a zero contraction level in order to remove mask mandates? What level
Of cost is acceptable? I view it through the lens of my young kids socialization on psyche and how this impacts them under the presumption that masks are temporal and have an endpoint. Under that baseline I think the cost is starting to outweigh the benefit. What’s your position?

BTW I vote zero in poll because folks I know taken down by the virus would have found it wildly disrespectful to their families to politicize the loss of a members life.

... I am only reporting the news. Don't have a position. It is what it is. It is better than it was 3 months ago. I think it is going to be hard to put the the defensive measures back in place if we need them. Hopefully we won't. The article I posted a few days ago about the long term efficacy of the vaccines and the really amazing T and B cell behaviors over time gives a lot of hope. We will see.

Fair enough. Guess I wonder when people put up stories or oped pieces but don’t want to take positions. Agreed it’s going to be hard to put back in place but also think there ha to be room for a discussion of cost benefit and something other than zero tolerance.

Two years in and I have 7&9yr olds. The seven year old has had maybe 3mo of public schooling where she hasn’t had to have a mask on all the time effectively. I can’t imagine her going through all of elementary school under that condition if we aren’t all going to have to wear masks for the rest of our lives but that’s what a cohort would think or position the argument to be. Not you here it appears but that group very much exists.

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Wed Feb 23, 2022 4:43 pm

Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Wed Feb 23, 2022 4:16 pm

jhu72 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 23, 2022 2:28 pm

Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Wed Feb 23, 2022 1:46 pm

jhu72 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 23, 2022 1:05 pm We recall that February 1 Denmark relaxed all mandates and social distancing requirements. Their numbers were moving in the right direction. 3 weeks later the numbers are moving in the wrong direction and the Danish Women's soccer team has withdrawn from the Algrave Cup tournament as a number of team members have comedown with COVID. Denmark's numbers are going up as the BA.2 variant has become dominant in Denmark.

BA.2 has been detected in 74 countries and 47 U.S. states, but experts are keeping a close eye on Denmark, where it’s now responsible for nearly 90% of new COVID cases, as it has fueled a second omicron surge.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/soccer ... uxbndlbing

If we’re unlikely to get to critical mass then don’t we have to accept
Ebbs and flows and some degree of risk? Is your position we need a zero contraction level in order to remove mask mandates? What level
Of cost is acceptable? I view it through the lens of my young kids socialization on psyche and how this impacts them under the presumption that masks are temporal and have an endpoint. Under that baseline I think the cost is starting to outweigh the benefit. What’s your position?


BTW I vote zero in poll because folks I know taken down by the virus would have found it wildly disrespectful to their families to politicize the loss of a members life.

... I am only reporting the news. Don't have a position. It is what it is. It is better than it was 3 months ago. I think it is going to be hard to put the the defensive measures back in place if we need them. Hopefully we won't. The article I posted a few days ago about the long term efficacy of the vaccines and the really amazing T and B cell behaviors over time gives a lot of hope. We will see.

Fair enough. Guess I wonder when people put up stories or oped pieces but don’t want to take positions. Agreed it’s going to be hard to put back in place but also think there ha to be room for a discussion of cost benefit and something other than zero tolerance.

Two years in and I have 7&9yr olds. The seven year old has had maybe 3mo of public schooling where she hasn’t had to have a mask on all the time effectively. I can’t imagine her going through all of elementary school under that condition if we aren’t all going to have to wear masks for the rest of our lives but that’s what a cohort would think or position the argument to be. Not you here it appears but that group very much exists.

I believe as cases come down in communities, we will get somewhere back to normal. If only 40,000-50,000 people are dying a year, it will be a none issue. If there was is chance that the spread may get out of control, we will implement mitigation efforts. It’s the price of being human. We have actually been lucky this thing was NOT deadlier and we had been conducting research along the way. I don’t see kids being required to wear masks for much longer if cases keep heading down. Has it been documented that kids can’t spread the virus? I haven’t read anything.

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Wed Feb 23, 2022 4:43 pm

Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Wed Feb 23, 2022 4:16 pm

jhu72 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 23, 2022 2:28 pm

Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Wed Feb 23, 2022 1:46 pm

jhu72 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 23, 2022 1:05 pm We recall that February 1 Denmark relaxed all mandates and social distancing requirements. Their numbers were moving in the right direction. 3 weeks later the numbers are moving in the wrong direction and the Danish Women's soccer team has withdrawn from the Algrave Cup tournament as a number of team members have comedown with COVID. Denmark's numbers are going up as the BA.2 variant has become dominant in Denmark.

BA.2 has been detected in 74 countries and 47 U.S. states, but experts are keeping a close eye on Denmark, where it’s now responsible for nearly 90% of new COVID cases, as it has fueled a second omicron surge.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/soccer ... uxbndlbing

If we’re unlikely to get to critical mass then don’t we have to accept
Ebbs and flows and some degree of risk? Is your position we need a zero contraction level in order to remove mask mandates? What level
Of cost is acceptable? I view it through the lens of my young kids socialization on psyche and how this impacts them under the presumption that masks are temporal and have an endpoint. Under that baseline I think the cost is starting to outweigh the benefit. What’s your position?

BTW I vote zero in poll because folks I know taken down by the virus would have found it wildly disrespectful to their families to politicize the loss of a members life.

... I am only reporting the news. Don't have a position. It is what it is. It is better than it was 3 months ago. I think it is going to be hard to put the the defensive measures back in place if we need them. Hopefully we won't. The article I posted a few days ago about the long term efficacy of the vaccines and the really amazing T and B cell behaviors over time gives a lot of hope. We will see.

Fair enough. Guess I wonder when people put up stories or oped pieces but don’t want to take positions. Agreed it’s going to be hard to put back in place but also think there ha to be room for a discussion of cost benefit and something other than zero tolerance.

Two years in and I have 7&9yr olds. The seven year old has had maybe 3mo of public schooling where she hasn’t had to have a mask on all the time effectively. I can’t imagine her going through all of elementary school under that condition if we aren’t all going to have to wear masks for the rest of our lives but that’s what a cohort would think or position the argument to be. Not you here it appears but that group very much exists.

I believe as cases come down in communities, we will get somewhere back to normal. If only 40,000-50,000 people are dying a year, it will be a none issue. If there was is chance that the spread may get out of control, we will implement mitigation efforts. It’s the price of being human. We have actually been lucky this thing was deadlier and we had been conducting research along the way. I don’t see kids being required to wear masks for much longer if cases keep heading down. Has it been documented that kids can’t spread the virus? I haven’t read anything.

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 23, 2022 4:50 pm

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Wed Feb 23, 2022 4:43 pm

Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Wed Feb 23, 2022 4:16 pm

jhu72 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 23, 2022 2:28 pm

Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Wed Feb 23, 2022 1:46 pm

jhu72 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 23, 2022 1:05 pm We recall that February 1 Denmark relaxed all mandates and social distancing requirements. Their numbers were moving in the right direction. 3 weeks later the numbers are moving in the wrong direction and the Danish Women's soccer team has withdrawn from the Algrave Cup tournament as a number of team members have comedown with COVID. Denmark's numbers are going up as the BA.2 variant has become dominant in Denmark.

BA.2 has been detected in 74 countries and 47 U.S. states, but experts are keeping a close eye on Denmark, where it’s now responsible for nearly 90% of new COVID cases, as it has fueled a second omicron surge.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/soccer ... uxbndlbing

If we’re unlikely to get to critical mass then don’t we have to accept
Ebbs and flows and some degree of risk? Is your position we need a zero contraction level in order to remove mask mandates? What level
Of cost is acceptable? I view it through the lens of my young kids socialization on psyche and how this impacts them under the presumption that masks are temporal and have an endpoint. Under that baseline I think the cost is starting to outweigh the benefit. What’s your position?


BTW I vote zero in poll because folks I know taken down by the virus would have found it wildly disrespectful to their families to politicize the loss of a members life.

... I am only reporting the news. Don't have a position. It is what it is. It is better than it was 3 months ago. I think it is going to be hard to put the the defensive measures back in place if we need them. Hopefully we won't. The article I posted a few days ago about the long term efficacy of the vaccines and the really amazing T and B cell behaviors over time gives a lot of hope. We will see.

Fair enough. Guess I wonder when people put up stories or oped pieces but don’t want to take positions. Agreed it’s going to be hard to put back in place but also think there ha to be room for a discussion of cost benefit and something other than zero tolerance.

Two years in and I have 7&9yr olds. The seven year old has had maybe 3mo of public schooling where she hasn’t had to have a mask on all the time effectively. I can’t imagine her going through all of elementary school under that condition if we aren’t all going to have to wear masks for the rest of our lives but that’s what a cohort would think or position the argument to be. Not you here it appears but that group very much exists.

I believe as cases come down in communities, we will get somewhere back to normal. If only 40,000-50,000 people are dying a year, it will be a none issue. If there was is chance that the spread may get out of control, we will implement mitigation efforts. It’s the price of being human. We have actually been lucky this thing was NOT deadlier and we had been conducting research along the way. I don’t see kids being required to wear masks for much longer if cases keep heading down. Has it been documented that kids can’t spread the virus? I haven’t read anything.

I'm sure you meant to include the word I added in red.

Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Wed Feb 23, 2022 5:07 pm

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Wed Feb 23, 2022 4:43 pm

Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Wed Feb 23, 2022 4:16 pm

jhu72 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 23, 2022 2:28 pm

Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Wed Feb 23, 2022 1:46 pm

jhu72 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 23, 2022 1:05 pm We recall that February 1 Denmark relaxed all mandates and social distancing requirements. Their numbers were moving in the right direction. 3 weeks later the numbers are moving in the wrong direction and the Danish Women's soccer team has withdrawn from the Algrave Cup tournament as a number of team members have comedown with COVID. Denmark's numbers are going up as the BA.2 variant has become dominant in Denmark.

BA.2 has been detected in 74 countries and 47 U.S. states, but experts are keeping a close eye on Denmark, where it’s now responsible for nearly 90% of new COVID cases, as it has fueled a second omicron surge.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/soccer ... uxbndlbing

If we’re unlikely to get to critical mass then don’t we have to accept
Ebbs and flows and some degree of risk? Is your position we need a zero contraction level in order to remove mask mandates? What level
Of cost is acceptable? I view it through the lens of my young kids socialization on psyche and how this impacts them under the presumption that masks are temporal and have an endpoint. Under that baseline I think the cost is starting to outweigh the benefit. What’s your position?

BTW I vote zero in poll because folks I know taken down by the virus would have found it wildly disrespectful to their families to politicize the loss of a members life.

... I am only reporting the news. Don't have a position. It is what it is. It is better than it was 3 months ago. I think it is going to be hard to put the the defensive measures back in place if we need them. Hopefully we won't. The article I posted a few days ago about the long term efficacy of the vaccines and the really amazing T and B cell behaviors over time gives a lot of hope. We will see.

Fair enough. Guess I wonder when people put up stories or oped pieces but don’t want to take positions. Agreed it’s going to be hard to put back in place but also think there ha to be room for a discussion of cost benefit and something other than zero tolerance.

Two years in and I have 7&9yr olds. The seven year old has had maybe 3mo of public schooling where she hasn’t had to have a mask on all the time effectively. I can’t imagine her going through all of elementary school under that condition if we aren’t all going to have to wear masks for the rest of our lives but that’s what a cohort would think or position the argument to be. Not you here it appears but that group very much exists.

I believe as cases come down in communities, we will get somewhere back to normal. If only 40,000-50,000 people are dying a year, it will be a none issue. If there was is chance that the spread may get out of control, we will implement mitigation efforts. It’s the price of being human. We have actually been lucky this thing was deadlier and we had been conducting research along the way. I don’t see kids being required to wear masks for much longer if cases keep heading down. Has it been documented that kids can’t spread the virus? I haven’t read anything.

Been zero positive tests for a week or more straight at my kids school. Even before it was mostly 0s and an occasional 1-2 day.

At this stage take them off and if we need to go back it won’t be the parents in my school district fighting it both ways.

Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Wed Feb 23, 2022 4:16 pm

jhu72 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 23, 2022 2:28 pm

Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Wed Feb 23, 2022 1:46 pm

jhu72 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 23, 2022 1:05 pm We recall that February 1 Denmark relaxed all mandates and social distancing requirements. Their numbers were moving in the right direction. 3 weeks later the numbers are moving in the wrong direction and the Danish Women's soccer team has withdrawn from the Algrave Cup tournament as a number of team members have comedown with COVID. Denmark's numbers are going up as the BA.2 variant has become dominant in Denmark.

BA.2 has been detected in 74 countries and 47 U.S. states, but experts are keeping a close eye on Denmark, where it’s now responsible for nearly 90% of new COVID cases, as it has fueled a second omicron surge.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/soccer ... uxbndlbing

If we’re unlikely to get to critical mass then don’t we have to accept
Ebbs and flows and some degree of risk? Is your position we need a zero contraction level in order to remove mask mandates? What level
Of cost is acceptable? I view it through the lens of my young kids socialization on psyche and how this impacts them under the presumption that masks are temporal and have an endpoint. Under that baseline I think the cost is starting to outweigh the benefit. What’s your position?

BTW I vote zero in poll because folks I know taken down by the virus would have found it wildly disrespectful to their families to politicize the loss of a members life.

... I am only reporting the news. Don't have a position. It is what it is. It is better than it was 3 months ago. I think it is going to be hard to put the the defensive measures back in place if we need them. Hopefully we won't. The article I posted a few days ago about the long term efficacy of the vaccines and the really amazing T and B cell behaviors over time gives a lot of hope. We will see.

Fair enough. Guess I wonder when people put up stories or oped pieces but don’t want to take positions. Agreed it’s going to be hard to put back in place but also think there ha to be room for a discussion of cost benefit and something other than zero tolerance.

Two years in and I have 7&9yr olds. The seven year old has had maybe 3mo of public schooling where she hasn’t had to have a mask on all the time effectively. I can’t imagine her going through all of elementary school under that condition if we aren’t all going to have to wear masks for the rest of our lives but that’s what a cohort would think or position the argument to be. Not you here it appears but that group very much exists.

Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Wed Feb 23, 2022 5:38 pm I don’t care for myself, it’s a annoyance but I really am only looking at them. Parental anxiety and paranoia I guess over what I haven’t done for them already.

Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Wed Feb 23, 2022 5:38 pm I don’t care for myself, it’s a annoyance but I really am only looking at them. Parental anxiety and paranoia I guess over what I haven’t done for them already.