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a fan wrote: ↑Wed Feb 16, 2022 11:46 am

Carroll81 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 16, 2022 12:51 am

wgdsr wrote: ↑Tue Feb 15, 2022 9:40 pm

a fan wrote: ↑Tue Feb 15, 2022 9:27 pm

wgdsr wrote: ↑Tue Feb 15, 2022 7:52 pm no. 5 to 11 year olds have been 24% fully (2 doses) vaccinated for covid. 32% have gotten one shot, and it's not climbing fast.

we're at about 30 something boosted.

the polls told you we weren't getting fully vaxxed before we even knew what end was up. if we don't get a more deadly variant, it's not changing much.

edit: 91 million boosted as of feb 4.
that's 43% of the fully vaxxed pop.
that's 27.5% of the u.s. population.
that's 32% of 12 or over eligible quite some time ago.

Why do you think we're 90%+ vaxxed for MMR etc, and nowhere near that for three different vaccines?

You don't think it's the media (which includes the internet)?

Remember, we can't leave out the context that if an American asks their doctors, 100% of them will tell their charges to take the vaccine if they don't have some condition to preclude it.

So America's personal doctors are 100% behind full vaccination. So what's keeping that from happening, if it's not media-internet disinformation?

so you've named now 2 declarative statements that i have absolutely no idea how you know these for a fact.

sticking with just one of them... what is your explanation for us being at 24% for kids 5-11 vs. 75%? adults? who exactly are these people listening to? that it's right for them, but not their kids?

Some parents may be looking at the hospitalization/deaths for 5-11 year olds and making the determination that the covid risk for that age group is low compared to their own risk profile.

You guys are just making my point for me: how are these parents "looking at hospitalization/deaths for 5-11 year olds"?

They're not getting this data from their pediatrician.

And while they're looking at "looking at hospitalization/deaths for 5-11 year olds"....how much disinformation do you think they're seeing? And how many other parents with zero medical training are they discussing this vaccine with...?

Where is the bulk of this "dialog" and information retrieval happening, fellas?

I can only assume that these people don't use doctors, or any sort of professionals, in their lives; just the internet?

a fan wrote: ↑Wed Feb 16, 2022 11:46 am

Carroll81 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 16, 2022 12:51 am

wgdsr wrote: ↑Tue Feb 15, 2022 9:40 pm

a fan wrote: ↑Tue Feb 15, 2022 9:27 pm

wgdsr wrote: ↑Tue Feb 15, 2022 7:52 pm no. 5 to 11 year olds have been 24% fully (2 doses) vaccinated for covid. 32% have gotten one shot, and it's not climbing fast.

we're at about 30 something boosted.

the polls told you we weren't getting fully vaxxed before we even knew what end was up. if we don't get a more deadly variant, it's not changing much.

edit: 91 million boosted as of feb 4.
that's 43% of the fully vaxxed pop.
that's 27.5% of the u.s. population.
that's 32% of 12 or over eligible quite some time ago.

Why do you think we're 90%+ vaxxed for MMR etc, and nowhere near that for three different vaccines?

You don't think it's the media (which includes the internet)?

Remember, we can't leave out the context that if an American asks their doctors, 100% of them will tell their charges to take the vaccine if they don't have some condition to preclude it.

So America's personal doctors are 100% behind full vaccination. So what's keeping that from happening, if it's not media-internet disinformation?

so you've named now 2 declarative statements that i have absolutely no idea how you know these for a fact.

sticking with just one of them... what is your explanation for us being at 24% for kids 5-11 vs. 75%? adults? who exactly are these people listening to? that it's right for them, but not their kids?

Some parents may be looking at the hospitalization/deaths for 5-11 year olds and making the determination that the covid risk for that age group is low compared to their own risk profile.

You guys are just making my point for me: how are these parents "looking at hospitalization/deaths for 5-11 year olds"?

They're not getting this data from their pediatrician.

And while they're looking at "looking at hospitalization/deaths for 5-11 year olds"....how much disinformation do you think they're seeing? And how many other parents with zero medical training are they discussing this vaccine with...?

Where is the bulk of this "dialog" and information retrieval happening, fellas?

you want it all.

wgdsr wrote: ↑Wed Feb 16, 2022 12:08 pm you want it all.

I don't understand this comment.

I've had this conversation with other posters on this thread....if the internet isn't what's facilitating all this irrational behavior....I'm all ears as to what you think is the culprit. Every time I ask that, I get "I don't know" and reductionist silliness.

I mean come on: where are all of us right now, my man? Yep, the internet, discussing the vaccine.


And Kramerica and Old Salt are swapping stories about not taking the vaccine because of long term effects that we don't know about. There's NO WAY that billions of these discussions that are happening on the internet every hour of the day, aren't having a major effect on the vaxx rates.

And these discussions were impossible 20 years ago. Heck, they were infrequent 10 years ago.

CU88 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 16, 2022 12:07 pm I can only assume that these people don't use doctors, or any sort of professionals, in their lives; just the internet?

i don't understand it, and obviously never will.

Peter Brown wrote: ↑Wed Feb 16, 2022 8:27 am . I’m a capitalist, and liability keeps folks honest.

You're a HORRIBLE capitalist. To wit:

Peter Brown wrote: ↑Wed Feb 16, 2022 8:27 am Why would you care if anyone else is vaccinated? For all I or you know, the unvaccinated will be the ones proven correct in the end.

1. Because taxpayers pay for every penny of Covid care when the unvaccinated wind up on a ventilator. These people don't have to pay for their choices, Pete. I'm on the hook for their choice.

2. Because I don't want my fellow Americans to die for no reason. Imagine that? What YOU and your fellow merry morons are telling me to do is not care, and say F the dead and their families.

It's gross. But welcome to 2022 America.

a fan wrote: ↑Wed Feb 16, 2022 12:18 pm

wgdsr wrote: ↑Wed Feb 16, 2022 12:08 pm you want it all.

I don't understand this comment.

I've had this conversation with other posters on this thread....if the internet isn't what's facilitating all this irrational behavior....I'm all ears as to what you think is the culprit. Every time I ask that, I get

I mean come on: where are all of us right now, my man? Yep, the internet, discussing the vaccine.


And Kramerica and Old Salt are swapping stories about not taking the vaccine because of long term effects that we don't know about. There's NO WAY that billions of these discussions that are happening on the internet every hour of the day, aren't having a major effect on the vaxx rates.

And these discussions were impossible 20 years ago. Heck, they were infrequent 10 years ago.

Yep. How else did they learn that “kids aren’t dying so don’t get vaccinated”…I am sure their physicians told them not to get their kid vaccinated for that reason. And besides the kids, who told the “adults” not to get vaccinated? Let me guess, their physicians? All of these people are doing original research….” media” has nothing to do with it….I wonder why all these people don’t like Fauci…..introductory meeting must not have gone well…..Clown logic.

a fan wrote: ↑Wed Feb 16, 2022 12:18 pm

wgdsr wrote: ↑Wed Feb 16, 2022 12:08 pm you want it all.

I don't understand this comment.

I've had this conversation with other posters on this thread....if the internet isn't what's facilitating all this irrational behavior....I'm all ears as to what you think is the culprit. Every time I ask that, I get

I mean come on: where are all of us right now, my man? Yep, the internet, discussing the vaccine.


And Kramerica and Old Salt are swapping stories about not taking the vaccine because of long term effects that we don't know about. There's NO WAY that billions of these discussions that are happening on the internet every hour of the day, aren't having a major effect on the vaxx rates.

And these discussions were impossible 20 years ago. Heck, they were infrequent 10 years ago.

1st, there were discussions that came about, both thru the available media and anecdotally. we didn't just come out of the dark ages.

notwithstanding that... you also want it to be the right wing non-truthers who are driving what you don't accept as the "right choice". regardless of who is actually making these choices. i can't keep up, i thought it was only red people and counties/states who were rubes?

as far as the pediatrician comments... you'll have to excuse me for being an ethical skeptic here in not knowing what is said in those conversations. because i don't know. is it like "you should lose some weight, you'll be healthier"... and then the patient stops by taco bell on the way home?
is it -- "here are the pros and cons and i believe it (definitely?) weighs in favor of vaxxing but it's your choice"?
or is it "if you don't do this, you're putting your kids' and others' health on the line and that's dangerous"?
you seem to know, and you'll have to excuse me if i don't and am not convinced you do.

a fan wrote: ↑Wed Feb 16, 2022 12:34 pm

Peter Brown wrote: ↑Wed Feb 16, 2022 8:27 am . I’m a capitalist, and liability keeps folks honest.

You're a HORRIBLE capitalist. To wit:

Peter Brown wrote: ↑Wed Feb 16, 2022 8:27 am Why would you care if anyone else is vaccinated? For all I or you know, the unvaccinated will be the ones proven correct in the end.

1. Because taxpayers pay for every penny of Covid care when the unvaccinated wind up on a ventilator. These people don't have to pay for their choices, Pete. I'm on the hook for their choice.

2. Because I don't want my fellow Americans to die for no reason. Imagine that? What YOU and your fellow merry morons are telling me to do is not care, and say F the dead and their families.

It's gross. But welcome to 2022 America.

No one is telling you to ‘not care’. Most folks justifiably care about other folks. Secondly, like wgdr posted, you kept saying right wingers are driving this skepticism but you should realize guys like RFK and others aren’t exactly right wing.

I’m just not as sold as you are that there won’t be some cataclysmic result of these vaccines down the road. I’m justifiably skeptical of so many of the ‘experts’ whom we discover (always after the fact) to be financially compromised, yet we must take their word? Sorry but that’s legitimate concern, not MAGA conspiracy.

I’m confident enough to admit I really don’t know whom to believe anymore when it comes to this stuff. Ironically, the ones I trust most are the Scandinavian country health experts, who at least seem on the level.

https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-con ... t-20484405

https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/ ... n?amp=true

I remember when COVID-19 didn’t affect kids…..I believe it was March / April of 2020 when that news broke. Seems to have stuck for some reason….probably independent research.

wgdsr wrote: ↑Wed Feb 16, 2022 12:43 pm

a fan wrote: ↑Wed Feb 16, 2022 12:18 pm

wgdsr wrote: ↑Wed Feb 16, 2022 12:08 pm you want it all.

I don't understand this comment.

I've had this conversation with other posters on this thread....if the internet isn't what's facilitating all this irrational behavior....I'm all ears as to what you think is the culprit. Every time I ask that, I get

I mean come on: where are all of us right now, my man? Yep, the internet, discussing the vaccine.


And Kramerica and Old Salt are swapping stories about not taking the vaccine because of long term effects that we don't know about. There's NO WAY that billions of these discussions that are happening on the internet every hour of the day, aren't having a major effect on the vaxx rates.

And these discussions were impossible 20 years ago. Heck, they were infrequent 10 years ago.

1st, there were discussions that came about, both thru the available media and anecdotally. we didn't just come out of the dark ages.

notwithstanding that... you also want it to be the right wing non-truthers who are driving what you don't accept as the "right choice". regardless of who is actually making these choices. i can't keep up, i thought it was only red people and counties/states who were rubes?

as far as the pediatrician comments... you'll have to excuse me for being an ethical skeptic here in not knowing what is said in those conversations. because i don't know. is it like "you should lose some weight, you'll be healthier"... and then the patient stops by taco bell on the way home?
is it -- "here are the pros and cons and i believe it (definitely?) weighs in favor of vaxxing but it's your choice"?
or is it "if you don't do this, you're putting your kids' and others' health on the line and that's dangerous"?
you seem to know, and you'll have to excuse me if i don't and am not convinced you do.

https://www.usnews.com/news/health-news ... tion-rates

This could be the reference. Doesn’t paint the whole picture. My mouth breathing cousin just got vaccinated. She said I was the first person she called. But her and her husband have made other boneheaded decisions…..

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Wed Feb 16, 2022 12:56 pm https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-con ... t-20484405

https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/ ... n?amp=true

I remember when COVID-19 didn’t affect kids…..I believe it was March / April of 2020 when that news broke. Seems to have stuck for some reason….probably independent research.

you're in a blue state, was that tough to google? what if you had kids screaming in the background?

wgdsr wrote: ↑Wed Feb 16, 2022 1:02 pm

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Wed Feb 16, 2022 12:56 pm https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-con ... t-20484405

https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/ ... n?amp=true

I remember when COVID-19 didn’t affect kids…..I believe it was March / April of 2020 when that news broke. Seems to have stuck for some reason….probably independent research.

you're in a blue state, was that tough to google? what if you had kids screaming in the background?

I was just wondering so I decided to look. I kind of knew what to expect. I know a lot of mouth breathers that can’t give a rational answer as to why they aren’t vaccinated….one of my best friends won’t do it despite the fact that an outbreak among three people who spread the virus to each other, that we know, resulted in one dead, one with kidney disease and one recovery. He answer was Cherly got better….I said what about the girl that died and the other with Kidney damage now? His answer, you don’t know what’s in the food you eat so how do you know what’s really in a vaccine? He can ill afford to miss just two days of work…..

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Wed Feb 16, 2022 1:08 pm

wgdsr wrote: ↑Wed Feb 16, 2022 1:02 pm

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Wed Feb 16, 2022 12:56 pm https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-con ... t-20484405

https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/ ... n?amp=true

I remember when COVID-19 didn’t affect kids…..I believe it was March / April of 2020 when that news broke. Seems to have stuck for some reason….probably independent research.

you're in a blue state, was that tough to google? what if you had kids screaming in the background?

I was just wondering so I decided to look. I kind of knew what to expect. I know a lot of mouth breathers that can’t give a rational answer as to why they aren’t vaccinated….one of my best friends won’t do it despite the fact that an outbreak among three people who spread the virus to each other, that we know, resulted in one dead, one with kidney disease and one recovery. He answer was Cherly got better….I said what about the girl that died and the other with Kidney damage now? His answer, you don’t know what’s in the food you eat so how do you know what’s really in a vaccine? He can ill afford to miss just two days of work…..

you beat me to it! my cousin got it and was fine, and my niece had it and had the sniffles and they made her stay out of school for 2 weeks. she ended up with 2 B's.

Peter Brown wrote: ↑Wed Feb 16, 2022 10:23 am

NattyBohChamps04 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 16, 2022 9:51 am

Peter Brown wrote: ↑Wed Feb 16, 2022 8:27 amYes, most vaccines evidence bad outcomes relatively fast, except mRNA isn’t the old vaccines, it’s untested in this instance for Covid. We don’t know what will occur here. How come you’re so easily willing to accept “long Covid” but not “long bad vaccine effects”?

Please inform us of the incident rates of both long covid and long bad vaccine effects and I'll tell you what and why I accept one being more serious than the other.

I'll wait...

Given that the vaccine and virus are not even two years old, I don’t accept the premise of either Long Covid or Long Negative Side Effects. Conversely, I’m also not willing to say that there won’t be negative side effects; we won’t guarantee the safety of the vaccine today, no different than executives from Pfizer, Moderna, and J&J who assume zero liability for a drug making them billions.

I’ll use ten years as a better time marker for the true safety of the mRNA vaccine and whether long Covid is real or imagined.

A more sound argument for you might be, ‘even if mRNA causes a third arm to grow out of our rib cages in ten years, the fact that it appears to diminish mortality today versus not taking it is worth the long term risk’. I could possibly buy that argument.

Well you certainly don't have to accept the truth, that's your prerogative.

But you can't look at the two years worth of data we do have and answer my simple question?

And what makes you confident 10 years is enough info? What if side effects start happening at year 11? 30? 50? Heck, some of these vaccinated kids could live another 100 years with the vaccine. Side effects could pop up in 2122

I am sure this was helpful.

wgdsr wrote: ↑Wed Feb 16, 2022 12:43 pm 1st, there were discussions that came about, both thru the available media and anecdotally. we didn't just come out of the dark ages.

Yes. And as I said, if this is the basis, you have to explain that 90%+ vaccine rate for K-12. Obviously this old media didn't have the same effect on vaccination rates.

Peter Brown wrote: ↑Wed Feb 16, 2022 8:27 am notwithstanding that... you also want it to be the right wing non-truthers who are driving what you don't accept as the "right choice". regardless of who is actually making these choices. i can't keep up, i thought it was only red people and counties/states who were rubes?

Now I know why you're pushing back....I'm saying "internet", and you're ignoring that, and pulling from posts I made months ago that the right is driving the anti-vaxx bus. You're welcome to do that....but that's where we aren't connecting with one another here.

So focusing on my past posts.......what I HAVE told you is that CovidVaxx rates are FAR lower in rural, Republican run Counties all across our country. And unless you want to play dumb, BY FAR the folks throwing around Covid disinformation is coming from the right. It's not even a close call.

That said? OF COURSE folks all over the political spectrum are on the internet, passing this disinformation around. To quote Michael Jordan, "Republicans buy sneakers, too". In other words, everyone has a hand on the nonsense on the internet.

And the Dems have had their hand in the disinformation-------Biden and Kamala's INEXCUSABLE nonsense about not trusting a vaccine that Trump approved.

But yes, come on.....the right is driving the bus on the disinformation. Surely we can agree on that, just as easily as I can agree that yes, the left and center have had their hand.

In fact, I pointed out that pre-2020, Vaccine-stupidity was fully the domain of left-wing nutjobs in places like Boulder.

And yep, I know a TON of right wingers who are fully vaccinated, and boosted. Hopefully this clears up the misunderstanding.

wgdsr wrote: ↑Wed Feb 16, 2022 12:43 pm as far as the pediatrician comments... you'll have to excuse me for being an ethical skeptic here in not knowing what is said in those conversations.

That's the reduction to absurdity I was alluding to in a previous post. Yep, you're right, I'm not in the exam room with every conversation that takes place. Guilty.

Now on the less reductionist front....here's the position from the American Association of Pediatricians:

The American Academy of Pediatrics supports today’s recommendation by the Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices (ACIP) of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) to recommend the use of a COVID-19 vaccine in children ages 5-11. The AAP urges families to check with their pediatrician and community health care providers about how to get their eligible children vaccinated, pending a final recommendation from the CDC.

Vaccinating children will protect children’s health and allow them to fully engage in all of the activities that are so important to their health and development. Parents can enjoy greater peace of mind gathering with family members this winter and sending their children to school, sports and other events that were paused during the height of the pandemic.

Does that sound to you like pediatricians are on the fence?



https://www.aap.org/en/news-room/news-r ... ages-5-11/

NattyBohChamps04 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 16, 2022 1:29 pm

Peter Brown wrote: ↑Wed Feb 16, 2022 10:23 am

NattyBohChamps04 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 16, 2022 9:51 am

Peter Brown wrote: ↑Wed Feb 16, 2022 8:27 amYes, most vaccines evidence bad outcomes relatively fast, except mRNA isn’t the old vaccines, it’s untested in this instance for Covid. We don’t know what will occur here. How come you’re so easily willing to accept “long Covid” but not “long bad vaccine effects”?

Please inform us of the incident rates of both long covid and long bad vaccine effects and I'll tell you what and why I accept one being more serious than the other.

I'll wait...

Given that the vaccine and virus are not even two years old, I don’t accept the premise of either Long Covid or Long Negative Side Effects. Conversely, I’m also not willing to say that there won’t be negative side effects; we won’t guarantee the safety of the vaccine today, no different than executives from Pfizer, Moderna, and J&J who assume zero liability for a drug making them billions.

I’ll use ten years as a better time marker for the true safety of the mRNA vaccine and whether long Covid is real or imagined.

A more sound argument for you might be, ‘even if mRNA causes a third arm to grow out of our rib cages in ten years, the fact that it appears to diminish mortality today versus not taking it is worth the long term risk’. I could possibly buy that argument.

Well you certainly don't have to accept the truth, that's your prerogative.

But you can't look at the two years worth of data we do have and answer my simple question?

And what makes you confident 10 years is enough info? What if side effects start happening at year 11? 30? 50? Heck, some of these vaccinated kids could live another 100 years with the vaccine. Side effects could pop up in 2122

Peter Brown wrote: ↑Wed Feb 16, 2022 12:47 pm I’m just not as sold as you are that there won’t be some cataclysmic result of these vaccines down the road. I’m justifiably skeptical of so many of the ‘experts’ whom we discover (always after the fact) to be financially compromised, yet we must take their word? Sorry but that’s legitimate concern, not MAGA conspiracy.

I’m confident enough to admit I really don’t know whom to believe anymore when it comes to this stuff

While we're here, Pete can tell us about the long term effects of the Meningitis Vaccines. Some of the freshly approved vaccines are less than 10 years old.

That's not even old enough to know for certain if it messes with the reproductive systems or not. Or if it leads to higher instances of dementia.

Yet it's mandatory at your alma mater to get shot up, Pete. Did you forget to complain about this "untested" vaccine?

The University of Florida requires that all new students show proof certain immunizations prior to attending UF. This is applicable to all those who will be on main campus or gathering as part of a course requirement at a satellite campus or location.


Where's the skepticism about this "unproven" meningitis vaccine that we're forcing on College kids, folks? Oh, that's right, the internet ignored it, so no one cares.

https://healthcompliance.shcc.ufl.edu/i ... endations/

a fan wrote: ↑Wed Feb 16, 2022 2:16 pm

NattyBohChamps04 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 16, 2022 1:29 pm

Peter Brown wrote: ↑Wed Feb 16, 2022 10:23 am

NattyBohChamps04 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 16, 2022 9:51 am

Peter Brown wrote: ↑Wed Feb 16, 2022 8:27 amYes, most vaccines evidence bad outcomes relatively fast, except mRNA isn’t the old vaccines, it’s untested in this instance for Covid. We don’t know what will occur here. How come you’re so easily willing to accept “long Covid” but not “long bad vaccine effects”?

Please inform us of the incident rates of both long covid and long bad vaccine effects and I'll tell you what and why I accept one being more serious than the other.

I'll wait...

Given that the vaccine and virus are not even two years old, I don’t accept the premise of either Long Covid or Long Negative Side Effects. Conversely, I’m also not willing to say that there won’t be negative side effects; we won’t guarantee the safety of the vaccine today, no different than executives from Pfizer, Moderna, and J&J who assume zero liability for a drug making them billions.

I’ll use ten years as a better time marker for the true safety of the mRNA vaccine and whether long Covid is real or imagined.

A more sound argument for you might be, ‘even if mRNA causes a third arm to grow out of our rib cages in ten years, the fact that it appears to diminish mortality today versus not taking it is worth the long term risk’. I could possibly buy that argument.

Well you certainly don't have to accept the truth, that's your prerogative.

But you can't look at the two years worth of data we do have and answer my simple question?

And what makes you confident 10 years is enough info? What if side effects start happening at year 11? 30? 50? Heck, some of these vaccinated kids could live another 100 years with the vaccine. Side effects could pop up in 2122

Peter Brown wrote: ↑Wed Feb 16, 2022 12:47 pm I’m just not as sold as you are that there won’t be some cataclysmic result of these vaccines down the road. I’m justifiably skeptical of so many of the ‘experts’ whom we discover (always after the fact) to be financially compromised, yet we must take their word? Sorry but that’s legitimate concern, not MAGA conspiracy.

I’m confident enough to admit I really don’t know whom to believe anymore when it comes to this stuff

While we're here, Pete can tell us about the long term effects of the Meningitis Vaccines. Some of the freshly approved vaccines are less than 10 years old.

That's not even old enough to know for certain if it messes with the reproductive systems or not. Or if it leads to higher instances of dementia.

Yet it's mandatory at your alma mater to get shot up, Pete. Did you forget to complain about this "untested" vaccine?

The University of Florida requires that all new students show proof certain immunizations prior to attending UF. This is applicable to all those who will be on main campus or gathering as part of a course requirement at a satellite campus or location.


Where's the skepticism about this "unproven" meningitis vaccine that we're forcing on College kids, folks? Oh, that's right, the internet ignored it, so no one cares.

https://healthcompliance.shcc.ufl.edu/i ... endations/

I’m not even going to bother to look, but hasn’t the meningitis vaccine had a few decades of data?

NattyBohChamps04 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 16, 2022 1:29 pm

Peter Brown wrote: ↑Wed Feb 16, 2022 10:23 am

NattyBohChamps04 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 16, 2022 9:51 am

Peter Brown wrote: ↑Wed Feb 16, 2022 8:27 amYes, most vaccines evidence bad outcomes relatively fast, except mRNA isn’t the old vaccines, it’s untested in this instance for Covid. We don’t know what will occur here. How come you’re so easily willing to accept “long Covid” but not “long bad vaccine effects”?

Please inform us of the incident rates of both long covid and long bad vaccine effects and I'll tell you what and why I accept one being more serious than the other.

I'll wait...

Given that the vaccine and virus are not even two years old, I don’t accept the premise of either Long Covid or Long Negative Side Effects. Conversely, I’m also not willing to say that there won’t be negative side effects; we won’t guarantee the safety of the vaccine today, no different than executives from Pfizer, Moderna, and J&J who assume zero liability for a drug making them billions.

I’ll use ten years as a better time marker for the true safety of the mRNA vaccine and whether long Covid is real or imagined.

A more sound argument for you might be, ‘even if mRNA causes a third arm to grow out of our rib cages in ten years, the fact that it appears to diminish mortality today versus not taking it is worth the long term risk’. I could possibly buy that argument.

Well you certainly don't have to accept the truth, that's your prerogative.

But you can't look at the two years worth of data we do have and answer my simple question?

And what makes you confident 10 years is enough info? What if side effects start happening at year 11? 30? 50? Heck, some of these vaccinated kids could live another 100 years with the vaccine. Side effects could pop up in 2122

I’m not confident that 10 years does the trick. I don’t know the answer tbh.

I also don’t think it’s crazy to state that 2 years for a novel vaccine for a novel virus may not be the ideal test time to know if they’re safe. 2 years seems light on evidence. It just does. I’m also not sure why this rather ordinary thought would be fait accompli indicative of a MAGA fire-breather either.