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Posted: **Sat Jan 27, 2024 1:03 pm**

dislaxxic wrote: ↑Fri Jan 26, 2024 10:09 pm
youthathletics wrote: ↑Fri Jan 26, 2024 8:15 pm
dislaxxic wrote: ↑Fri Jan 26, 2024 5:30 pm Exactly my....oh NEVER MIND!

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Because every barrier is the same, in every territory of the globe, with the very same terrain, and the very same weather. And the those traveling North have plenty of time and the benefit to stop in the Motel 6 for free breakfast and donuts, stock up on water, recharge all those dewalt batteries to sawzall through steel reinforced with concrete and make certain the oxy/acetylene rigs have enough gas, and their torch tip does not carbonize when they pop the metal and clog the holes of the torch cutting head when they pressed the oxy lever before the metal was hot enough. All while our border security systems sit and play go-fish while the alarm sirens go off from all the noise & video feeds indicating an attempted break.

I am sure Kamala sleeps well knowing the fence is easily scaled off of Mass avenue next to the atomic clock. But wait, there's more. You could walk up to the security gate and ask to speak to Kamala, she does work for the people, no? I'm sure those nice guys with Glock 40's and those cruising the place on their mountain bikes and Belgian Malinois on the ready would be happy to let you meander right on in. Of maybe those guys in the guard shacks on the roof of the White House who put a little red dot on you while you are on the roof at the Hay-Adams and forgot to notify SS you'd be up there. Those gun scopes and binoculars can't see very far or clearly enough to detect people...much less a video camera. You know, the those video's that the FBI had zoomed in on the DNC but clearly missed presenting the footage of the person who dropped the pipe bomb even though they were panned to see the location before and after it was placed there.

At some point, you have to think past the immediate, while using real world experiences and not just blindly reading confirmation biased news, while trusting that others do provide something from which you could enter into the equation of problem solving.

Enjoy the weekend, Dis...I know you will.
I feel like the issues you enumerate above are SUPER paranoid and essentially over-the-top fear mongering. The border is a huge problem to be sure, but overall, i don't see the existential threat to the nation that the rightwing media megaphone labels it for what i believe to be purely political purposes.

By the way, did you see the most recent concession Biden is willing to make? He'll "shut down an overwhelmed border" if the deal is inked.

Yep, looking forward to a GREAT weekend. Same to you YA.

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You don’t have a bunker at your house? Wake up bro!

Posted: **Sat Jan 27, 2024 7:29 pm**

a fan wrote: ↑Sat Jan 27, 2024 1:43 am
dislaxxic wrote: ↑Fri Jan 26, 2024 10:09 pm By the way, did you see the most recent concession Biden is willing to make? He'll "shut down an overwhelmed border" if the deal is inked.
Uh-oh. Gonna be tough for Trump to spin this one. I'm sure FoxNation is on the case, and will come up with their best work.

I'm going to fall off my barstool laughing if Biden...of all people..... is the one who gets an immigration bill through.

Look at the year by year graph in the linked WP article in your quote. Then tell me again that Trump didn't do anything to address the problem.

That concession is that Biden close the border after he's let if 5k/day or 35k/wk of illegal entrants.

Posted: **Sat Jan 27, 2024 7:33 pm**

a fan wrote: ↑Sat Jan 27, 2024 1:38 am
old salt wrote: ↑Fri Jan 26, 2024 9:39 pm Yes. Biden could help his position by taking those short term executive actions to slow the flow now, but he's not willing to do so. He's playing helpless & claiming that he just needs more money. Each day, there are fewer citizens stupid enough to believe him.
And millions more who think that Trump will fix this...after having failed in four years of trying...and after making it his ONLY major campaign plank. Is this a contest between stupid partisan voters who believe what their leaders tell them? Because if it is.......

old salt wrote: ↑Fri Jan 26, 2024 9:39 pm There has never been this much public pressure on this issue because these are unprecdented numbers. Sending migrants to the sanctuary states & tricking Biden into challenging TX were political genius by the (R)'s. It forces the public to see what's really going on.
That's what you and the crew said back in 2018...when this thread started, and you're trying WAY too hard to forget.

Wanna wager nothing happens? I'll take bets now. I've seen this movie for DECADES. US attention span is on an egg timer. The next big flavor of the month will arrive, and this issue goes bye-bye. Again. Notice where Ukraine is on the public radar? You've had your attention pulled away by Bud Lite ads, FFS...something that should have never hit your radar at all. You think your fellow Americans are any different?.....the media flavor of the month will arrive in 3,2,1.......

old salt wrote: ↑Fri Jan 26, 2024 9:39 pm There never has been this much leverage on this issue
9/11. And again with "the immigrant caravan" you're typing on today. And for the entirety of the Trump campaign....what happened each time?

And Trump just told you and all of America that there's no urgency, and this can wait 12+ months.

I like your optimism, though. It suits you much better.

Cut & paste blather. Not backed up by data. Too unwieldy to merit a response.
See my above post & the graph in the WP article linked in your quote.

Posted: **Sat Jan 27, 2024 8:00 pm**

old salt wrote: ↑Sat Jan 27, 2024 7:29 pm
a fan wrote: ↑Sat Jan 27, 2024 1:43 am
dislaxxic wrote: ↑Fri Jan 26, 2024 10:09 pm By the way, did you see the most recent concession Biden is willing to make? He'll "shut down an overwhelmed border" if the deal is inked.
Uh-oh. Gonna be tough for Trump to spin this one. I'm sure FoxNation is on the case, and will come up with their best work.

I'm going to fall off my barstool laughing if Biden...of all people..... is the one who gets an immigration bill through.
Look at the year by year graph in the linked WP article in your quote. Then tell me again that Trump didn't do anything to address the problem.

He didn't. He addressed a TINY portion of an overall problem....by F'ing around with the border. And naturally, you want to pretend that Covid had nothing to do with those numbers.

Where's the "chart" that shows how many total illegal workers we had in America after Trump left, OS?

Do you have any clue what that number is now? And how many families are now here that can't pay taxes in full? Or did you ask any of your alleged Farmer friends if Trump all but shut down legal work visas and other immigration programs? Nope. You don't care. You want to blame Dems, and that's as far as your "thought" goes, as it does with everything you're upset about.

The millions of illegal residents we've had LONG before Trump arrived is the problem. You don't understand that, and never will. I've tried, and like everything with you, you're not here to discuss....you're here to lecture. And if I agree with you, you're happy. And if I don't? Out comes your complaints about how "I'm posting wrong" or whatever your excuse is to not listen.

Keep fixating on the Southern border, like a obedient Republican voter. Keep thinking the way they want you to think.....Reelect them. "They'll fix is THIS time", Charlie Brown.

Anyone else on the Forum understand that OS and his partisan buds is WHY our immigration system will NEVER get fixed?

Gee, Old Salt, what a coincidence that Immigration is an "election issue" yet again, 12 years after it was (checks notes) an emergency and sooper-triple-serious issue that only Trump could fix, so he made it his main campaign plank.

Now here you are, telling me that Trump fixed the problem, yet at the same time it's still a sooper-problem.....and to finish it off? The Bill that's being worked through Congress "isn't perfect" "therefore we should do nothing....for the 40th year in a row".

Oh, and "vote Republican" because that fixes every problem on Earth for you.

Posted: **Sat Jan 27, 2024 8:03 pm**

old salt wrote: ↑Sat Jan 27, 2024 7:33 pm
a fan wrote: ↑Sat Jan 27, 2024 1:38 am
old salt wrote: ↑Fri Jan 26, 2024 9:39 pm Yes. Biden could help his position by taking those short term executive actions to slow the flow now, but he's not willing to do so. He's playing helpless & claiming that he just needs more money. Each day, there are fewer citizens stupid enough to believe him.
And millions more who think that Trump will fix this...after having failed in four years of trying...and after making it his ONLY major campaign plank. Is this a contest between stupid partisan voters who believe what their leaders tell them? Because if it is.......

old salt wrote: ↑Fri Jan 26, 2024 9:39 pm There has never been this much public pressure on this issue because these are unprecdented numbers. Sending migrants to the sanctuary states & tricking Biden into challenging TX were political genius by the (R)'s. It forces the public to see what's really going on.
That's what you and the crew said back in 2018...when this thread started, and you're trying WAY too hard to forget.

Wanna wager nothing happens? I'll take bets now. I've seen this movie for DECADES. US attention span is on an egg timer. The next big flavor of the month will arrive, and this issue goes bye-bye. Again. Notice where Ukraine is on the public radar? You've had your attention pulled away by Bud Lite ads, FFS...something that should have never hit your radar at all. You think your fellow Americans are any different?.....the media flavor of the month will arrive in 3,2,1.......

old salt wrote: ↑Fri Jan 26, 2024 9:39 pm There never has been this much leverage on this issue
9/11. And again with "the immigrant caravan" you're typing on today. And for the entirety of the Trump campaign....what happened each time?

And Trump just told you and all of America that there's no urgency, and this can wait 12+ months.

I like your optimism, though. It suits you much better.
Cut & paste blather. Not backed up by data. Too unwieldy to merit a response.

Great. Ignore it. And I'll be here to tell you I told you so when this bill is killed because of you and your fellow R voters who don't get you're being played.

Posted: **Sat Jan 27, 2024 8:49 pm**

a fan wrote: ↑Sat Jan 27, 2024 8:03 pm
old salt wrote: ↑Sat Jan 27, 2024 7:33 pm
a fan wrote: ↑Sat Jan 27, 2024 1:38 am
old salt wrote: ↑Fri Jan 26, 2024 9:39 pm Yes. Biden could help his position by taking those short term executive actions to slow the flow now, but he's not willing to do so. He's playing helpless & claiming that he just needs more money. Each day, there are fewer citizens stupid enough to believe him.
And millions more who think that Trump will fix this...after having failed in four years of trying...and after making it his ONLY major campaign plank. Is this a contest between stupid partisan voters who believe what their leaders tell them? Because if it is.......

old salt wrote: ↑Fri Jan 26, 2024 9:39 pm There has never been this much public pressure on this issue because these are unprecdented numbers. Sending migrants to the sanctuary states & tricking Biden into challenging TX were political genius by the (R)'s. It forces the public to see what's really going on.
That's what you and the crew said back in 2018...when this thread started, and you're trying WAY too hard to forget.

Wanna wager nothing happens? I'll take bets now. I've seen this movie for DECADES. US attention span is on an egg timer. The next big flavor of the month will arrive, and this issue goes bye-bye. Again. Notice where Ukraine is on the public radar? You've had your attention pulled away by Bud Lite ads, FFS...something that should have never hit your radar at all. You think your fellow Americans are any different?.....the media flavor of the month will arrive in 3,2,1.......

old salt wrote: ↑Fri Jan 26, 2024 9:39 pm There never has been this much leverage on this issue
9/11. And again with "the immigrant caravan" you're typing on today. And for the entirety of the Trump campaign....what happened each time?

And Trump just told you and all of America that there's no urgency, and this can wait 12+ months.

I like your optimism, though. It suits you much better.
Cut & paste blather. Not backed up by data. Too unwieldy to merit a response.
Great. Ignore it. And I'll be here to tell you I told you so when this bill is killed because of you and your fellow R voters who don't get you're being played.

Whatever happens, you'll be here to tell us what really happened, no matter what the data show.
You just can't credit Trump for doing anything positive. Your perfect is the enemy of the good.

Posted: **Sat Jan 27, 2024 9:33 pm**

old salt wrote: ↑Sat Jan 27, 2024 8:49 pm
a fan wrote: ↑Sat Jan 27, 2024 8:03 pm
old salt wrote: ↑Sat Jan 27, 2024 7:33 pm
a fan wrote: ↑Sat Jan 27, 2024 1:38 am
old salt wrote: ↑Fri Jan 26, 2024 9:39 pm Yes. Biden could help his position by taking those short term executive actions to slow the flow now, but he's not willing to do so. He's playing helpless & claiming that he just needs more money. Each day, there are fewer citizens stupid enough to believe him.
And millions more who think that Trump will fix this...after having failed in four years of trying...and after making it his ONLY major campaign plank. Is this a contest between stupid partisan voters who believe what their leaders tell them? Because if it is.......

old salt wrote: ↑Fri Jan 26, 2024 9:39 pm There has never been this much public pressure on this issue because these are unprecdented numbers. Sending migrants to the sanctuary states & tricking Biden into challenging TX were political genius by the (R)'s. It forces the public to see what's really going on.
That's what you and the crew said back in 2018...when this thread started, and you're trying WAY too hard to forget.

Wanna wager nothing happens? I'll take bets now. I've seen this movie for DECADES. US attention span is on an egg timer. The next big flavor of the month will arrive, and this issue goes bye-bye. Again. Notice where Ukraine is on the public radar? You've had your attention pulled away by Bud Lite ads, FFS...something that should have never hit your radar at all. You think your fellow Americans are any different?.....the media flavor of the month will arrive in 3,2,1.......

old salt wrote: ↑Fri Jan 26, 2024 9:39 pm There never has been this much leverage on this issue
9/11. And again with "the immigrant caravan" you're typing on today. And for the entirety of the Trump campaign....what happened each time?

And Trump just told you and all of America that there's no urgency, and this can wait 12+ months.

I like your optimism, though. It suits you much better.
Cut & paste blather. Not backed up by data. Too unwieldy to merit a response.
Great. Ignore it. And I'll be here to tell you I told you so when this bill is killed because of you and your fellow R voters who don't get you're being played.
Whatever happens, you'll be here to tell us what really happened, no matter what the data show.
You just can't credit Trump for doing anything positive. Your perfect is the enemy of the good.

Says the guy who can't bring himself to admit Obama did EXACTLY what you wanted with Ukraine: not one scrap of military help, just like you want NOW. Yet when he did that? You were all over him, mocking his economic sanctions....because you think you'll melt like the Wicked Witch of the West if you tell Obama he did ANYTHING right.

Perfect, my *ss. It wasn't good. It was a BAND AID. He didn't run on "I'll make this better for five minutes". He ran on: I'm the ONLY guy who can fix this, and i'm going to fix it.

He didn't do what he said...not even close. Yet because of his magic R, you want to act like he cured cancer.

How many millions of illegal workers and their children weren't EVEN TOUCHED by your sooper-hero Trump, Old Salt?

I told you what he would do, and that's what he did: leave the issue so that he could keep running on it. And here he is, just like I told you: asking for you to vote for him so he'll fix immigration.

And you're on here telling me you're too daft to understand you were played. Again. Keep it up. I won't stand in your way. Go Republicans, OS!!! They'll fix it "this time".

Posted: **Sat Jan 27, 2024 9:36 pm**

old salt wrote: ↑Sat Jan 27, 2024 8:49 pm
a fan wrote: ↑Sat Jan 27, 2024 8:03 pm
old salt wrote: ↑Sat Jan 27, 2024 7:33 pm
a fan wrote: ↑Sat Jan 27, 2024 1:38 am
old salt wrote: ↑Fri Jan 26, 2024 9:39 pm Yes. Biden could help his position by taking those short term executive actions to slow the flow now, but he's not willing to do so. He's playing helpless & claiming that he just needs more money. Each day, there are fewer citizens stupid enough to believe him.
And millions more who think that Trump will fix this...after having failed in four years of trying...and after making it his ONLY major campaign plank. Is this a contest between stupid partisan voters who believe what their leaders tell them? Because if it is.......

old salt wrote: ↑Fri Jan 26, 2024 9:39 pm There has never been this much public pressure on this issue because these are unprecdented numbers. Sending migrants to the sanctuary states & tricking Biden into challenging TX were political genius by the (R)'s. It forces the public to see what's really going on.
That's what you and the crew said back in 2018...when this thread started, and you're trying WAY too hard to forget.

Wanna wager nothing happens? I'll take bets now. I've seen this movie for DECADES. US attention span is on an egg timer. The next big flavor of the month will arrive, and this issue goes bye-bye. Again. Notice where Ukraine is on the public radar? You've had your attention pulled away by Bud Lite ads, FFS...something that should have never hit your radar at all. You think your fellow Americans are any different?.....the media flavor of the month will arrive in 3,2,1.......

old salt wrote: ↑Fri Jan 26, 2024 9:39 pm There never has been this much leverage on this issue
9/11. And again with "the immigrant caravan" you're typing on today. And for the entirety of the Trump campaign....what happened each time?

And Trump just told you and all of America that there's no urgency, and this can wait 12+ months.

I like your optimism, though. It suits you much better.
Cut & paste blather. Not backed up by data. Too unwieldy to merit a response.
Great. Ignore it. And I'll be here to tell you I told you so when this bill is killed because of you and your fellow R voters who don't get you're being played.
Whatever happens, you'll be here to tell us what really happened, no matter what the data show.
You just can't credit Trump for doing anything positive. Your perfect is the enemy of the good.

Says the guy who can't bring himself to admit Obama did EXACTLY what you wanted with Ukraine: not one scrap of military help, just like you want NOW. Yet when he did that? You were all over him, mocking his economic sanctions....because you think you'll melt like the Wicked Witch of the West if you tell Obama he did ANYTHING right.

I have complimented Trump MULTIPLE times for doing a good job, so you can run away with your "you can't credit Trump" BS. You're full of it.

Perfect, my *ss. It wasn't good. It was a BAND AID. He didn't run on "I'll make this better for five minutes". He ran on: I'm the ONLY guy who can fix this, and i'm going to fix it.

He didn't do what he said...not even close. Yet because of his magic R, you want to act like he cured cancer.

How many millions of illegal workers and their children weren't EVEN TOUCHED by your sooper-hero Trump, Old Salt? We were at 10.5 million during Trump, Old Salt....and you want to whine about "right now", while letting your Party do NOTHING about 10+ million people living here. YOU are why this never gets fixed.

I told you what Trump would do BEFORE he took office, and that's what he did: leave the issue so that he could keep running on it. And here he is, just like I told you: asking for you to vote for him so he'll fix immigration.

And you're on here telling me you're too daft to understand you were played. Again. Keep it up. I won't stand in your way. Go Republicans, OS!!! They'll fix it "this time".

Posted: **Sat Jan 27, 2024 9:52 pm**

a fan wrote: ↑Sat Jan 27, 2024 9:33 pm Says the guy who can't bring himself to admit Obama did EXACTLY what you wanted with Ukraine: not one scrap of military help, just like you want NOW.

You're lying again. I've repeatedly said we should continue DEFENSIVE military aid to Ukraine. Help them continue to build their defensive ability & conserve their surviving military personnel, equipment & munitions, rather than wasting them on further futile offensives.

I'm ok in holding out for a while if it forces Biden & the Dems to make a good deal on the border & forces the EUros to do more for Ukraine.

Your border rants ignore the data. We're setting records on the number of illegal entrants.

New migrant encounters record at SW border.
Dec 2023 (record monthly high) = 302, 034
Oct 1 - Dec 31, 2023 = 785,422

Since Biden took office :
8.3 million caught & released
1.7 million gotaways.

Here's the numbers that would be allowed to enter via our SW border in Biden's plan :
150,000/mo , 1.8 million/yr ...in addition to legal immigration.

Posted: **Sun Jan 28, 2024 1:46 pm**

These are the idiots you apparently support

"The Oklahoma Republican party passed a "censure" resolution condemning their GOP Sen. James Lankford for the "crime" of ignoring Trump's orders and working with Democrats on a bill that would dramatically increase security at the border:

"Until Senator Lankford ceases from these actions, the Oklahoma Republican Party will cease all support for him,” the resolution states"

Perfect description of the current GOP

"We know that they are lying, they know that they are lying, they even know that we know they are lying, we also know that they know we know they are lying too, they of course know that we certainly know they know we know they are lying too as well, but they are still lying. In our country, the lie has become not just moral category, but the pillar industry of this country.” ― Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

Posted: **Sun Jan 28, 2024 2:25 pm**

old salt wrote: ↑Sat Jan 27, 2024 9:52 pm
a fan wrote: ↑Sat Jan 27, 2024 9:33 pm Says the guy who can't bring himself to admit Obama did EXACTLY what you wanted with Ukraine: not one scrap of military help, just like you want NOW.
You're lying again. I've repeatedly said we should continue DEFENSIVE military aid to Ukraine. Help them continue to build their defensive ability & conserve their surviving military personnel, equipment & munitions, rather than wasting them on further futile offensives.

You keep doing this. You're conflating the Obama era with the present. Obama did what you wanted.....hands off for Ukraine. But because he's a Dem, you couldn't bring yourself to applaud his work.

You are NOW claiming that you want them to dig in and concede land. If Obama was in charge, either: a. Putin would never have invaded or b. he would have invaded and we wouldn't have had all this death. Both of which you prefer to what we're doing now.

old salt wrote: ↑Sat Jan 27, 2024 9:52 pm Your border rants ignore the data. We're setting records on the number of illegal entrants.

More ad hominem. When you post, it's wise and peripatetic. When I do...it's a rant.

You want data? You took math classes, yeah? What number is bigger: the estimated 10.5 million illegal workers and their kids that were here when Trump was in charge? Or the "encounters" at the border? Trump did NOTHING about the real, far larger problem...and he CLAIMED he would. And he didn't, so he could run again. And here you are, telling me how cool this game is. Sorry, not buyin' it. You can, and will, buy ANYTHING the R's sell you.

Your buds-----and you----have been playing this stupid "gee guys, we just need to "seal the border", and THEN we can get off our *sses and fix the actual, 100x larger problem." Keep it up. It's been working our great over the last forty years, which you intentionally ignore so that you can tell us that Biden is bad. It would NEVER occur to you that your ideas or the policies that you support don't work and/or flat out suck.

You're here to lecture us about how the Dems are bad, and the R's are awesome.

old salt wrote: ↑Sat Jan 27, 2024 9:52 pm
Here's the numbers that would be allowed to enter via our SW border in Biden's plan :
150,000/mo , 1.8 million/yr ...in addition to legal immigration.

Great. Then do nothing. Gee, Old Salt. You just told us what he's doing is bad. Now you're doing the Old Salt no-no: that the perfect is the enemy of the good.

Naturally, when Old Salt makes "the perfect the enemy of the good", it's brilliance from Old Salt. When we do it? Oh, we're bad, and stupid.

You can't make it through a full day without being a hypocrite. So where are we today: is making the perfect the enemy of the good....ok with you, or not? Pick one so I know how to post.

Posted: **Sun Jan 28, 2024 2:34 pm**

a fan wrote: ↑Sun Jan 28, 2024 2:25 pm
old salt wrote: ↑Sat Jan 27, 2024 9:52 pm
a fan wrote: ↑Sat Jan 27, 2024 9:33 pm Says the guy who can't bring himself to admit Obama did EXACTLY what you wanted with Ukraine: not one scrap of military help, just like you want NOW.
You're lying again. I've repeatedly said we should continue DEFENSIVE military aid to Ukraine. Help them continue to build their defensive ability & conserve their surviving military personnel, equipment & munitions, rather than wasting them on further futile offensives.
You keep doing this. You're conflating the Obama era with the present. Obama did what you wanted.....hands off for Ukraine. But because he's a Dem, you couldn't bring yourself to applaud his work.

You are NOW claiming that you want them to dig in and concede land. If Obama was in charge, either: a. Putin would never have invaded or b. he would have invaded and we wouldn't have had all this death. Both of which you prefer to what we're doing now.

old salt wrote: ↑Sat Jan 27, 2024 9:52 pm Your border rants ignore the data. We're setting records on the number of illegal entrants.
More ad hominem. When you post, it's wise and peripatetic. When I do...it's a rant.

You want data? You took math classes, yeah? What number is bigger: the estimated 10.5 million illegal workers and their kids that were here when Trump was in charge? Or the "encounters" at the border?

Your buds-----and you----have been playing this stupid "gee guys, we just need to "seal the border", and THEN we can get off our *sses and fix the actual, 100x larger problem." Keep it up. It's been working our great over the last forty years, which you intentionally ignore so that you can tell us that Biden is bad. It would NEVER occur to you that your ideas or the policies that you support don't work and/or flat out suck.

You're here to lecture us about how the Dems are bad, and the R's are awesome.

old salt wrote: ↑Sat Jan 27, 2024 9:52 pm
Here's the numbers that would be allowed to enter via our SW border in Biden's plan :
150,000/mo , 1.8 million/yr ...in addition to legal immigration.
Great. Then do nothing. Gee, Old Salt. You just told us what he's doing is bad. Now you're doing the Old Salt no-no: that the perfect is the enemy of the good.

Naturally, when Old Salt makes "the perfect the enemy of the good", it's brilliance from Old Salt. When we do it? Oh, we're bad, and stupid.

You can't make it through a full day without being a hypocrite. So where are we today: is making the perfect the enemy of the good....ok with you, or not? Pick one so I know how to post.

None of the final details are known. What is known that it is not a perfect deal. What is also not know, after all the hyperbole, Is if the deal is nothing more than window dressing.

Posted: **Sun Jan 28, 2024 2:45 pm**

cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Sun Jan 28, 2024 2:34 pm
a fan wrote: ↑Sun Jan 28, 2024 2:25 pm
old salt wrote: ↑Sat Jan 27, 2024 9:52 pm
a fan wrote: ↑Sat Jan 27, 2024 9:33 pm Says the guy who can't bring himself to admit Obama did EXACTLY what you wanted with Ukraine: not one scrap of military help, just like you want NOW.
You're lying again. I've repeatedly said we should continue DEFENSIVE military aid to Ukraine. Help them continue to build their defensive ability & conserve their surviving military personnel, equipment & munitions, rather than wasting them on further futile offensives.
You keep doing this. You're conflating the Obama era with the present. Obama did what you wanted.....hands off for Ukraine. But because he's a Dem, you couldn't bring yourself to applaud his work.

You are NOW claiming that you want them to dig in and concede land. If Obama was in charge, either: a. Putin would never have invaded or b. he would have invaded and we wouldn't have had all this death. Both of which you prefer to what we're doing now.

old salt wrote: ↑Sat Jan 27, 2024 9:52 pm Your border rants ignore the data. We're setting records on the number of illegal entrants.
More ad hominem. When you post, it's wise and peripatetic. When I do...it's a rant.

You want data? You took math classes, yeah? What number is bigger: the estimated 10.5 million illegal workers and their kids that were here when Trump was in charge? Or the "encounters" at the border?

Your buds-----and you----have been playing this stupid "gee guys, we just need to "seal the border", and THEN we can get off our *sses and fix the actual, 100x larger problem." Keep it up. It's been working our great over the last forty years, which you intentionally ignore so that you can tell us that Biden is bad. It would NEVER occur to you that your ideas or the policies that you support don't work and/or flat out suck.

You're here to lecture us about how the Dems are bad, and the R's are awesome.

old salt wrote: ↑Sat Jan 27, 2024 9:52 pm
Here's the numbers that would be allowed to enter via our SW border in Biden's plan :
150,000/mo , 1.8 million/yr ...in addition to legal immigration.
Great. Then do nothing. Gee, Old Salt. You just told us what he's doing is bad. Now you're doing the Old Salt no-no: that the perfect is the enemy of the good.

Naturally, when Old Salt makes "the perfect the enemy of the good", it's brilliance from Old Salt. When we do it? Oh, we're bad, and stupid.

You can't make it through a full day without being a hypocrite. So where are we today: is making the perfect the enemy of the good....ok with you, or not? Pick one so I know how to post.
None of the final details are known. What is known that it is not a perfect deal. What is also not know, after all the hyperbole, Is if the deal is nothing more than window dressing.

It's more than doing nothing. Right out of the gate, that's better.

We've been playing this game with any number of our problems: that there's some magic solution with zero downsides "therefore" we have to do nothing. 40 years of this, Cradle.

In the end? You're right about window dressing...... because it's DOA.....killed by Trump. The guy that Tech and OS and others tell us has no effect on America, and we should stop talking about him.

Posted: **Sun Jan 28, 2024 2:54 pm**

a fan wrote: ↑Sun Jan 28, 2024 2:45 pm
cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Sun Jan 28, 2024 2:34 pm
a fan wrote: ↑Sun Jan 28, 2024 2:25 pm
old salt wrote: ↑Sat Jan 27, 2024 9:52 pm
a fan wrote: ↑Sat Jan 27, 2024 9:33 pm Says the guy who can't bring himself to admit Obama did EXACTLY what you wanted with Ukraine: not one scrap of military help, just like you want NOW.
You're lying again. I've repeatedly said we should continue DEFENSIVE military aid to Ukraine. Help them continue to build their defensive ability & conserve their surviving military personnel, equipment & munitions, rather than wasting them on further futile offensives.
You keep doing this. You're conflating the Obama era with the present. Obama did what you wanted.....hands off for Ukraine. But because he's a Dem, you couldn't bring yourself to applaud his work.

You are NOW claiming that you want them to dig in and concede land. If Obama was in charge, either: a. Putin would never have invaded or b. he would have invaded and we wouldn't have had all this death. Both of which you prefer to what we're doing now.

old salt wrote: ↑Sat Jan 27, 2024 9:52 pm Your border rants ignore the data. We're setting records on the number of illegal entrants.
More ad hominem. When you post, it's wise and peripatetic. When I do...it's a rant.

You want data? You took math classes, yeah? What number is bigger: the estimated 10.5 million illegal workers and their kids that were here when Trump was in charge? Or the "encounters" at the border?

Your buds-----and you----have been playing this stupid "gee guys, we just need to "seal the border", and THEN we can get off our *sses and fix the actual, 100x larger problem." Keep it up. It's been working our great over the last forty years, which you intentionally ignore so that you can tell us that Biden is bad. It would NEVER occur to you that your ideas or the policies that you support don't work and/or flat out suck.

You're here to lecture us about how the Dems are bad, and the R's are awesome.

old salt wrote: ↑Sat Jan 27, 2024 9:52 pm
Here's the numbers that would be allowed to enter via our SW border in Biden's plan :
150,000/mo , 1.8 million/yr ...in addition to legal immigration.
Great. Then do nothing. Gee, Old Salt. You just told us what he's doing is bad. Now you're doing the Old Salt no-no: that the perfect is the enemy of the good.

Naturally, when Old Salt makes "the perfect the enemy of the good", it's brilliance from Old Salt. When we do it? Oh, we're bad, and stupid.

You can't make it through a full day without being a hypocrite. So where are we today: is making the perfect the enemy of the good....ok with you, or not? Pick one so I know how to post.
None of the final details are known. What is known that it is not a perfect deal. What is also not know, after all the hyperbole, Is if the deal is nothing more than window dressing.
It's more than doing nothing. Right out of the gate, that's better.

We've been playing this game with any number of our problems: that there's some magic solution with zero downsides "therefore" we have to do nothing. 40 years of this, Cradle.

In the end? You're right about window dressing...... because it's DOA.....killed by Trump. The guy that Tech and OS and others tell us has no effect on America, and we should stop talking about him.

So right back to square one? I know I keep harping on this point but our inability to address the border 40 years ago as it should have been has created the mess we are in today. It went from a difficult issue to one now that is proving damn near impossible. Now it is an election year with both parties finally understanding something has to be done. All the years of ignoring it are coming back to bite us in the *ss.

Posted: **Sun Jan 28, 2024 3:47 pm**

cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Sun Jan 28, 2024 2:54 pm So right back to square one? I know I keep harping on this point but our inability to address the border 40 years ago as it should have been has created the mess we are in today. It went from a difficult issue to one now that is proving damn near impossible. Now it is an election year with both parties finally understanding something has to be done. All the years of ignoring it are coming back to bite us in the *ss.

As I told Old Salt in my rant: look a the starting date of this thread.

What happens is: this will get off headlines no matter what happens. It always does. And when it does, the 1%ers are perfectly happy to keep the status quo, because no matter what, the 1%ers get Visas for programmers, NHL, NBA, and MLB stars with no trouble at all.

And the REASON this happens is: partisans like Old Salt give their team a pass when they're in office. They play the "well, at least my guy is better than the other guy". So Trump gets record polling numbers under Republican voters, which tells Trump: keep doing EXACTLY what you're doing.

In other words: nothing. So that's what he does, exactly what Old Salt and his fellow Republicans tell him to do. Rinse. Repeat.

To their credit? Dem voters aren't as bad. With Dem voters? He's lost ten points in a single month down to 75%. Which imho, is still an embarrassment to Dem voters....it's not like the zombie TrumpApologist are some high bar.

Posted: **Sun Jan 28, 2024 6:28 pm**

Kismet wrote: ↑Sun Jan 28, 2024 1:46 pm These are the idiots you apparently support

"The Oklahoma Republican party passed a "censure" resolution condemning their GOP Sen. James Lankford for the "crime" of ignoring Trump's orders and working with Democrats on a bill that would dramatically increase security at the border:

"Until Senator Lankford ceases from these actions, the Oklahoma Republican Party will cease all support for him,” the resolution states"

Perfect description of the current GOP

"We know that they are lying, they know that they are lying, they even know that we know they are lying, we also know that they know we know they are lying too, they of course know that we certainly know they know we know they are lying too as well, but they are still lying. In our country, the lie has become not just moral category, but the pillar industry of this country.” ― Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

That's a state Republican party. You are the idiot for presuming who I support. Do you believe Biden & Mayorkas ? I'm interested to see what's the best deal Lankford can negotiate. Stop trolling for someone to argue with just because you're piszed off that things aren't going Biden's way.

Posted: **Sun Jan 28, 2024 6:45 pm**

old salt wrote: ↑Sun Jan 28, 2024 6:28 pm
Kismet wrote: ↑Sun Jan 28, 2024 1:46 pm These are the idiots you apparently support

"The Oklahoma Republican party passed a "censure" resolution condemning their GOP Sen. James Lankford for the "crime" of ignoring Trump's orders and working with Democrats on a bill that would dramatically increase security at the border:

"Until Senator Lankford ceases from these actions, the Oklahoma Republican Party will cease all support for him,” the resolution states"

Perfect description of the current GOP

"We know that they are lying, they know that they are lying, they even know that we know they are lying, we also know that they know we know they are lying too, they of course know that we certainly know they know we know they are lying too as well, but they are still lying. In our country, the lie has become not just moral category, but the pillar industry of this country.” ― Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn
That's a state Republican party. You are the idiot for presuming who I support. Do you believe Biden & Mayorkas ? I'm interested to see what's the best deal Lankford can negotiate. Stop trolling for someone to argue with just because you're piszed off that things aren't going Biden's way.

So sez the biggest idiot troll here - as you criticize others for doing the same thing you just did -

You tell everyone everyday what you support

Posted: **Sun Jan 28, 2024 6:53 pm**

a fan wrote: ↑Sun Jan 28, 2024 2:25 pm
old salt wrote: ↑Sat Jan 27, 2024 9:52 pm
a fan wrote: ↑Sat Jan 27, 2024 9:33 pm Says the guy who can't bring himself to admit Obama did EXACTLY what you wanted with Ukraine: not one scrap of military help, just like you want NOW.
You're lying again. I've repeatedly said we should continue DEFENSIVE military aid to Ukraine. Help them continue to build their defensive ability & conserve their surviving military personnel, equipment & munitions, rather than wasting them on further futile offensives.
You keep doing this. You're conflating the Obama era with the present. Obama did what you wanted.....hands off for Ukraine. But because he's a Dem, you couldn't bring yourself to applaud his work.

You are NOW claiming that you want them to dig in and concede land. If Obama was in charge, either: a. Putin would never have invaded or b. he would have invaded and we wouldn't have had all this death. Both of which you prefer to what we're doing now.

old salt wrote: ↑Sat Jan 27, 2024 9:52 pm Your border rants ignore the data. We're setting records on the number of illegal entrants.
More ad hominem. When you post, it's wise and peripatetic. When I do...it's a rant.

You want data? You took math classes, yeah? What number is bigger: the estimated 10.5 million illegal workers and their kids that were here when Trump was in charge? Or the "encounters" at the border? Trump did NOTHING about the real, far larger problem...and he CLAIMED he would. And he didn't, so he could run again. And here you are, telling me how cool this game is. Sorry, not buyin' it. You can, and will, buy ANYTHING the R's sell you.

Your buds-----and you----have been playing this stupid "gee guys, we just need to "seal the border", and THEN we can get off our *sses and fix the actual, 100x larger problem." Keep it up. It's been working our great over the last forty years, which you intentionally ignore so that you can tell us that Biden is bad. It would NEVER occur to you that your ideas or the policies that you support don't work and/or flat out suck.

You're here to lecture us about how the Dems are bad, and the R's are awesome.

old salt wrote: ↑Sat Jan 27, 2024 9:52 pm
Here's the numbers that would be allowed to enter via our SW border in Biden's plan :
150,000/mo , 1.8 million/yr ...in addition to legal immigration.
Great. Then do nothing. Gee, Old Salt. You just told us what he's doing is bad. Now you're doing the Old Salt no-no: that the perfect is the enemy of the good.

Naturally, when Old Salt makes "the perfect the enemy of the good", it's brilliance from Old Salt. When we do it? Oh, we're bad, and stupid.

You can't make it through a full day without being a hypocrite. So where are we today: is making the perfect the enemy of the good....ok with you, or not? Pick one so I know how to post.

I supported lethal defensive military aid to UKraine from the time Russia seized Crimea & the Donbas enclave in 2014.
I criticized Obama (& Biden) for not supplying it & supported what Trump provided. It enabled the Ukrainians to withstand Russia's initial attack.
I supported supplying more aid sufficient to claw back the territory recovered. I did not support wasting the weapons & forces lost & the munitions consumed in pursuing a counter-offensive which was doomed to fail before it started. I still support defensive aid.
I' was critical of Ukraine for their succession of corrupt governments & neglect of their own defense.
I was critical of past US & EU policies that expanded NATO & fomented past instability in Ukraine, leasding to conflict with Russia.
It's too complex an issue for your simplistic arugment.

Re the border, you refuse to acknowledge the data. Obama's DHS Secy Jeh Johnson said 1000 illegai entrants/day was a crisis.
Biden's willing to accept 5000/day. You refuse to acknowledge that the situation has deteriorated since Biden took office & rescinded Trump's policies. The rest of the public is not as willfully obtuse as you are & they are forcing Biden to act.

Posted: **Sun Jan 28, 2024 7:16 pm**

old salt wrote: ↑Sun Jan 28, 2024 6:53 pm
a fan wrote: ↑Sun Jan 28, 2024 2:25 pm
old salt wrote: ↑Sat Jan 27, 2024 9:52 pm
a fan wrote: ↑Sat Jan 27, 2024 9:33 pm Says the guy who can't bring himself to admit Obama did EXACTLY what you wanted with Ukraine: not one scrap of military help, just like you want NOW.
You're lying again. I've repeatedly said we should continue DEFENSIVE military aid to Ukraine. Help them continue to build their defensive ability & conserve their surviving military personnel, equipment & munitions, rather than wasting them on further futile offensives.
You keep doing this. You're conflating the Obama era with the present. Obama did what you wanted.....hands off for Ukraine. But because he's a Dem, you couldn't bring yourself to applaud his work.

You are NOW claiming that you want them to dig in and concede land. If Obama was in charge, either: a. Putin would never have invaded or b. he would have invaded and we wouldn't have had all this death. Both of which you prefer to what we're doing now.

old salt wrote: ↑Sat Jan 27, 2024 9:52 pm Your border rants ignore the data. We're setting records on the number of illegal entrants.
More ad hominem. When you post, it's wise and peripatetic. When I do...it's a rant.

You want data? You took math classes, yeah? What number is bigger: the estimated 10.5 million illegal workers and their kids that were here when Trump was in charge? Or the "encounters" at the border? Trump did NOTHING about the real, far larger problem...and he CLAIMED he would. And he didn't, so he could run again. And here you are, telling me how cool this game is. Sorry, not buyin' it. You can, and will, buy ANYTHING the R's sell you.

Your buds-----and you----have been playing this stupid "gee guys, we just need to "seal the border", and THEN we can get off our *sses and fix the actual, 100x larger problem." Keep it up. It's been working our great over the last forty years, which you intentionally ignore so that you can tell us that Biden is bad. It would NEVER occur to you that your ideas or the policies that you support don't work and/or flat out suck.

You're here to lecture us about how the Dems are bad, and the R's are awesome.

old salt wrote: ↑Sat Jan 27, 2024 9:52 pm
Here's the numbers that would be allowed to enter via our SW border in Biden's plan :
150,000/mo , 1.8 million/yr ...in addition to legal immigration.
Great. Then do nothing. Gee, Old Salt. You just told us what he's doing is bad. Now you're doing the Old Salt no-no: that the perfect is the enemy of the good.

Naturally, when Old Salt makes "the perfect the enemy of the good", it's brilliance from Old Salt. When we do it? Oh, we're bad, and stupid.

You can't make it through a full day without being a hypocrite. So where are we today: is making the perfect the enemy of the good....ok with you, or not? Pick one so I know how to post.
I supported lethal defensive military aid to UKraine from the time Russia seized Crimea & the Donbas enclave in 2014.
I criticized Obama (& Biden) for not supplying it & supported what Trump provided. It enabled the Ukrainians to withstand Russia's initial attack.

And led to the death of thousand and thousands. Deaths that you are complaining about...as if what you supported didn't lead to where we are now.

Yet you won't admit this, because nothing you ever support has downsides. And you can't add 2+2 to get 4.

old salt wrote: ↑Sat Jan 27, 2024 9:52 pm It's too complex an issue for your simplistic arugment.

No. YOU are too simple to understand my very simple stances. You don't like them, so you yell at me, and call my ideas simple.

Naturally, your ideas are flawless, are never wrong, and never have dowsides.

Tell the forum again how Putin doesn't need a big GDP for his adventurism, OS. How f'ing wrong were you there? But sure....I'm the guy who doesn't understand things and is "simplistic".

Posted: **Sun Jan 28, 2024 7:34 pm**

a fan wrote: ↑Sun Jan 28, 2024 7:16 pm
old salt wrote: ↑Sun Jan 28, 2024 6:53 pm
a fan wrote: ↑Sun Jan 28, 2024 2:25 pm
old salt wrote: ↑Sat Jan 27, 2024 9:52 pm
a fan wrote: ↑Sat Jan 27, 2024 9:33 pm Says the guy who can't bring himself to admit Obama did EXACTLY what you wanted with Ukraine: not one scrap of military help, just like you want NOW.
You're lying again. I've repeatedly said we should continue DEFENSIVE military aid to Ukraine. Help them continue to build their defensive ability & conserve their surviving military personnel, equipment & munitions, rather than wasting them on further futile offensives.
You keep doing this. You're conflating the Obama era with the present. Obama did what you wanted.....hands off for Ukraine. But because he's a Dem, you couldn't bring yourself to applaud his work.

You are NOW claiming that you want them to dig in and concede land. If Obama was in charge, either: a. Putin would never have invaded or b. he would have invaded and we wouldn't have had all this death. Both of which you prefer to what we're doing now.

old salt wrote: ↑Sat Jan 27, 2024 9:52 pm Your border rants ignore the data. We're setting records on the number of illegal entrants.
More ad hominem. When you post, it's wise and peripatetic. When I do...it's a rant.

You want data? You took math classes, yeah? What number is bigger: the estimated 10.5 million illegal workers and their kids that were here when Trump was in charge? Or the "encounters" at the border? Trump did NOTHING about the real, far larger problem...and he CLAIMED he would. And he didn't, so he could run again. And here you are, telling me how cool this game is. Sorry, not buyin' it. You can, and will, buy ANYTHING the R's sell you.

Your buds-----and you----have been playing this stupid "gee guys, we just need to "seal the border", and THEN we can get off our *sses and fix the actual, 100x larger problem." Keep it up. It's been working our great over the last forty years, which you intentionally ignore so that you can tell us that Biden is bad. It would NEVER occur to you that your ideas or the policies that you support don't work and/or flat out suck.

You're here to lecture us about how the Dems are bad, and the R's are awesome.

old salt wrote: ↑Sat Jan 27, 2024 9:52 pm
Here's the numbers that would be allowed to enter via our SW border in Biden's plan :
150,000/mo , 1.8 million/yr ...in addition to legal immigration.
Great. Then do nothing. Gee, Old Salt. You just told us what he's doing is bad. Now you're doing the Old Salt no-no: that the perfect is the enemy of the good.

Naturally, when Old Salt makes "the perfect the enemy of the good", it's brilliance from Old Salt. When we do it? Oh, we're bad, and stupid.

You can't make it through a full day without being a hypocrite. So where are we today: is making the perfect the enemy of the good....ok with you, or not? Pick one so I know how to post.
I supported lethal defensive military aid to UKraine from the time Russia seized Crimea & the Donbas enclave in 2014.
I criticized Obama (& Biden) for not supplying it & supported what Trump provided. It enabled the Ukrainians to withstand Russia's initial attack.
And led to the death of thousand and thousands. Deaths that you are complaining about...as if what you supported didn't lead to where we are now.

Yet you won't admit this, because nothing you ever support has downsides. And you can't add 2+2 to get 4.

old salt wrote: ↑Sat Jan 27, 2024 9:52 pm It's too complex an issue for your simplistic arugment.
No. YOU are too simple to understand my very simple stances. You don't like them, so you yell at me, and call my ideas simple.

Naturally, your ideas are flawless, are never wrong, and never have dowsides.

Tell the forum again how Putin doesn't need a big GDP for his adventurism, OS. How f'ing wrong were you there? But sure....I'm the guy who doesn't understand things and is "simplistic".

So your theory is that had we not supplied military aid to Ukraine, just sanctions, that Putin would have held back & not responded as Ukraine joined the EU & NATO ? Or do you think Putin could have done a bloodless takeover of Ukraine & absorbed it back into Russia without a fight ?

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