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Re: The Biden - Harris Era.

Posted: Fri Jun 28, 2024 9:42 am
by LaxFan2311
njbill wrote: Fri Jun 28, 2024 9:34 am
WaffleTwineFaceoff wrote: Fri Jun 28, 2024 9:14 am I feel disenfranchised from a party I'm struggling to recognize. Same as many of my friends, family and colleagues.
The people who feel disenfranchised from their party are the lifelong Republicans who are absolutely disgusted by Trump. There certainly are Democratic voters who would prefer another candidate at the top of the ticket, but I wouldn’t say they feel “disenfranchised from the party.”
The Democrat party is unrecognizable today. Democrats today support:

High inflation
Endless wars
Believe men can be women (What the heck)
Support open borders
Support illegal aliens over law abiding citizens
Support illegals replacing the American electorate to maintain power
High taxes on the middle class
Support pedophilia
They support voter fraud and fraudulent elections to maintain power
They support imprisoning their political opponents (fascist)
They support censoring by free speech (fascism)
They support killing babies via abortion up to and after birth
Democrats support putting America and its citizens last.

The whole country knows that now after the debate last night.

MAGA is about putting America First. Trump showed power, command and strength. He was under control and provided a sense of security for the country and its people. Voting for Trump means a return to normalcy and success for all Americans.

Re: The Biden - Harris Era.

Posted: Fri Jun 28, 2024 9:44 am
by njbill
Unhappiness, disagreement, yes. I don’t think there is disenfranchisement though on the Democratic side. I think we have different understandings of what that term means.

Re: The Biden - Harris Era.

Posted: Fri Jun 28, 2024 9:45 am
by NattyBohChamps04
Guess who's back... back again. Petey's back, tell a friend.

Re: The Biden - Harris Era.

Posted: Fri Jun 28, 2024 9:48 am
by njbill
They surely have been crawling out from under their rocks, last night and today. Mr. Nowhere Man told us a few days ago that he was going to bed before the debate started. Yet he must’ve made 50 posts about the debate last night and early this morning. :lol: We who frequent the women’s board are well acquainted with him. He is quickly developing a similar reputation here on the politics board.

Re: The Biden - Harris Era.

Posted: Fri Jun 28, 2024 11:40 am
by cradleandshoot
njbill wrote: Fri Jun 28, 2024 9:48 am They surely have been crawling out from under their rocks, last night and today. Mr. Nowhere Man told us a few days ago that he was going to bed before the debate started. Yet he must’ve made 50 posts about the debate last night and early this morning. :lol: We who frequent the women’s board are well acquainted with him. He is quickly developing a similar reputation here on the politics board.
Wrong counselor, you failed to pay attention to detail. That is not an acceptable trait for a lawyer. I watched the first 20 minutes. My wife looked at me and said why are you watching this crap. With the understanding that my wife understands crap when she hears it I chose to go to bed where I belonged. I was up at 4 am counselor and picked up where I left off last night at 4:15 am. So while your deflecting along with the rest of the Democratic party were you impressed by Joe Bidens performance last night? He spent 7 days cramming at Camp David and he still sucked. KJP will try and explain Bidens ineptitude because he has a cold. :roll: Face it counselor, your party just stepped full sole into the Joe Biden pile of dog poop. If Democrats don't kick DFJ to the curb y'all will be looking at 4 more years of trump. Bidens closest advisers should be blunt and honest with him. Biden needs to hand the baton over to a democratic candidate that would defeat trump without breaking a sweat.

Re: The Biden - Harris Era.

Posted: Fri Jun 28, 2024 11:45 am
by LaxFan2311
cradleandshoot wrote: Fri Jun 28, 2024 11:40 am
njbill wrote: Fri Jun 28, 2024 9:48 am They surely have been crawling out from under their rocks, last night and today. Mr. Nowhere Man told us a few days ago that he was going to bed before the debate started. Yet he must’ve made 50 posts about the debate last night and early this morning. :lol: We who frequent the women’s board are well acquainted with him. He is quickly developing a similar reputation here on the politics board.
Wrong counselor, you failed to pay attention to detail. That is not an acceptable trait for a lawyer. I watched the first 20 minutes. My wife looked at me and said why are you watching this crap. With the understanding that my wife understands crap when she hears it I chose to go to bed where I belonged. I was up at 4 am counselor and picked up where I left off last night at 4:15 am. So while your deflecting along with the rest of the Democratic party were you impressed by Joe Bidens performance last night? He spent 7 days cramming at Camp David and he still sucked. KJP will try and explain Bidens ineptitude because he has a cold. :roll: Face it counselor, your party just stepped full sole into the Joe Biden pile of dog poop. If Democrats don't kick DFJ to the curb y'all will be looking at 4 more years of trump. Bidens closest advisers should be blunt and honest with him. Biden needs to hand the baton over to a democratic candidate that would defeat trump without breaking a sweat.
Nailed it. Also, KJP proved that she runs Biden’s X account, as she was posting in real time. That shows how incompetent Biden is. He can’t even post his own thoughts on social media lol. He’s a clown who suffers from dementia.

Re: The Biden - Harris Era.

Posted: Fri Jun 28, 2024 11:59 am
by njbill
cradleandshoot wrote: Fri Jun 28, 2024 11:40 am
njbill wrote: Fri Jun 28, 2024 9:48 am They surely have been crawling out from under their rocks, last night and today. Mr. Nowhere Man told us a few days ago that he was going to bed before the debate started. Yet he must’ve made 50 posts about the debate last night and early this morning. :lol: We who frequent the women’s board are well acquainted with him. He is quickly developing a similar reputation here on the politics board.
Wrong counselor, you failed to pay attention to detail. That is not an acceptable trait for a lawyer. I watched the first 20 minutes. My wife looked at me and said why are you watching this crap. With the understanding that my wife understands crap when she hears it I chose to go to bed where I belonged. I was up at 4 am counselor and picked up where I left off last night at 4:15 am. So while your deflecting along with the rest of the Democratic party were you impressed by Joe Bidens performance last night? He spent 7 days cramming at Camp David and he still sucked. KJP will try and explain Bidens ineptitude because he has a cold. :roll: Face it counselor, your party just stepped full sole into the Joe Biden pile of dog poop. If Democrats don't kick DFJ to the curb y'all will be looking at 4 more years of trump. Bidens closest advisers should be blunt and honest with him. Biden needs to hand the baton over to a democratic candidate that would defeat trump without breaking a sweat.
I wasn’t referring to you. I was referring to ONW aka the Nowhere Man.

Re: The Biden - Harris Era.

Posted: Fri Jun 28, 2024 12:12 pm
by SCLaxAttack
LaxFan2311 wrote: Fri Jun 28, 2024 9:42 am
njbill wrote: Fri Jun 28, 2024 9:34 am
WaffleTwineFaceoff wrote: Fri Jun 28, 2024 9:14 am I feel disenfranchised from a party I'm struggling to recognize. Same as many of my friends, family and colleagues.
The people who feel disenfranchised from their party are the lifelong Republicans who are absolutely disgusted by Trump. There certainly are Democratic voters who would prefer another candidate at the top of the ticket, but I wouldn’t say they feel “disenfranchised from the party.”
The Democrat party is unrecognizable today. Democrats today support:

High inflation
Endless wars
Believe men can be women (What the heck)
Support open borders
Support illegal aliens over law abiding citizens
Support illegals replacing the American electorate to maintain power
High taxes on the middle class
Support pedophilia
They support voter fraud and fraudulent elections to maintain power
They support imprisoning their political opponents (fascist)
They support censoring by free speech (fascism)
They support killing babies via abortion up to and after birth
Democrats support putting America and its citizens last.

The whole country knows that now after the debate last night.

MAGA is about putting America First. Trump showed power, command and strength. He was under control and provided a sense of security for the country and its people. Voting for Trump means a return to normalcy and success for all Americans.
Got all those sycophantic talking points down, dontcha 2311?

Best I can tell you missed two. Books. You missed books. And Christ.

Re: The Biden - Harris Era.

Posted: Fri Jun 28, 2024 12:23 pm
by NattyBohChamps04
SCLaxAttack wrote: Fri Jun 28, 2024 12:12 pm Got all those sycophantic talking points down, dontcha 2311?

Best I can tell you missed two. Books. You missed books. And Christ.
It's just bandito/pb/ whatever new name of the week. Just misrepresenting and flat out lying to push buttons and get a response. I suppose he could be that brainwashed or braindead to actually believe those things.

Re: The Biden - Harris Era.

Posted: Fri Jun 28, 2024 12:27 pm
by runrussellrun
LaxFan2311 wrote: Fri Jun 28, 2024 11:45 am
cradleandshoot wrote: Fri Jun 28, 2024 11:40 am
njbill wrote: Fri Jun 28, 2024 9:48 am They surely have been crawling out from under their rocks, last night and today. Mr. Nowhere Man told us a few days ago that he was going to bed before the debate started. Yet he must’ve made 50 posts about the debate last night and early this morning. :lol: We who frequent the women’s board are well acquainted with him. He is quickly developing a similar reputation here on the politics board.
Wrong counselor, you failed to pay attention to detail. That is not an acceptable trait for a lawyer. I watched the first 20 minutes. My wife looked at me and said why are you watching this crap. With the understanding that my wife understands crap when she hears it I chose to go to bed where I belonged. I was up at 4 am counselor and picked up where I left off last night at 4:15 am. So while your deflecting along with the rest of the Democratic party were you impressed by Joe Bidens performance last night? He spent 7 days cramming at Camp David and he still sucked. KJP will try and explain Bidens ineptitude because he has a cold. :roll: Face it counselor, your party just stepped full sole into the Joe Biden pile of dog poop. If Democrats don't kick DFJ to the curb y'all will be looking at 4 more years of trump. Bidens closest advisers should be blunt and honest with him. Biden needs to hand the baton over to a democratic candidate that would defeat trump without breaking a sweat.
Nailed it. Also, KJP proved that she runs Biden’s X account, as she was posting in real time. That shows how incompetent Biden is. He can’t even post his own thoughts on social media lol. He’s a clown who suffers from dementia.
it has been elder abuse for a while now.

clearly, WHO the President actually matters little.

Trump vetoed not one bill. Not one. Why does he even matter ?

Re: The Biden - Harris Era.

Posted: Fri Jun 28, 2024 1:06 pm
by LaxFan2311
SCLaxAttack wrote: Fri Jun 28, 2024 12:12 pm
LaxFan2311 wrote: Fri Jun 28, 2024 9:42 am
njbill wrote: Fri Jun 28, 2024 9:34 am
WaffleTwineFaceoff wrote: Fri Jun 28, 2024 9:14 am I feel disenfranchised from a party I'm struggling to recognize. Same as many of my friends, family and colleagues.
The people who feel disenfranchised from their party are the lifelong Republicans who are absolutely disgusted by Trump. There certainly are Democratic voters who would prefer another candidate at the top of the ticket, but I wouldn’t say they feel “disenfranchised from the party.”
The Democrat party is unrecognizable today. Democrats today support:

High inflation
Endless wars
Believe men can be women (What the heck)
Support open borders
Support illegal aliens over law abiding citizens
Support illegals replacing the American electorate to maintain power
High taxes on the middle class
Support pedophilia
They support voter fraud and fraudulent elections to maintain power
They support imprisoning their political opponents (fascist)
They support censoring by free speech (fascism)
They support killing babies via abortion up to and after birth
Democrats support putting America and its citizens last.

The whole country knows that now after the debate last night.

MAGA is about putting America First. Trump showed power, command and strength. He was under control and provided a sense of security for the country and its people. Voting for Trump means a return to normalcy and success for all Americans.
Got all those sycophantic talking points down, dontcha 2311?

Best I can tell you missed two. Books. You missed books. And Christ.
Cope and seethe. Your pedophilic, dementia patient isn’t gonna save you this time around. Biden is cooked.

Re: The Biden - Harris Era.

Posted: Fri Jun 28, 2024 1:21 pm
by a fan
LaxFan2311 wrote: Fri Jun 28, 2024 1:06 pm
SCLaxAttack wrote: Fri Jun 28, 2024 12:12 pm
LaxFan2311 wrote: Fri Jun 28, 2024 9:42 am
njbill wrote: Fri Jun 28, 2024 9:34 am
WaffleTwineFaceoff wrote: Fri Jun 28, 2024 9:14 am I feel disenfranchised from a party I'm struggling to recognize. Same as many of my friends, family and colleagues.
The people who feel disenfranchised from their party are the lifelong Republicans who are absolutely disgusted by Trump. There certainly are Democratic voters who would prefer another candidate at the top of the ticket, but I wouldn’t say they feel “disenfranchised from the party.”
The Democrat party is unrecognizable today. Democrats today support:

High inflation
Endless wars
Believe men can be women (What the heck)
Support open borders
Support illegal aliens over law abiding citizens
Support illegals replacing the American electorate to maintain power
High taxes on the middle class
Support pedophilia
They support voter fraud and fraudulent elections to maintain power
They support imprisoning their political opponents (fascist)
They support censoring by free speech (fascism)
They support killing babies via abortion up to and after birth
Democrats support putting America and its citizens last.

The whole country knows that now after the debate last night.

MAGA is about putting America First. Trump showed power, command and strength. He was under control and provided a sense of security for the country and its people. Voting for Trump means a return to normalcy and success for all Americans.
Got all those sycophantic talking points down, dontcha 2311?

Best I can tell you missed two. Books. You missed books. And Christ.
Cope and seethe. Your pedophilic, dementia patient isn’t gonna save you this time around. Biden is cooked.
Petey!!! How you been, my man!?

Still can’t figure out that lax fans are top earners, and Trump does nothing but line our pockets, eh?

Vote him in. Please. Can’t wait for the tax cuts!!!


…as for Trumps base? Good luck to them and their family after four years of Trump handing more money to the 1%ers.

When are you cats gonna figure out that Trump ain’t a conservative?

"One thing for sure… it ain’t the President"

Posted: Fri Jun 28, 2024 1:22 pm
by OuttaNowhereWregget
"If the build up to the upcoming November elections and last night’s debate has shown us anything, it’s that it now makes sense why so many Democrats are such Jew hating Hamas-supporting fascists… They literally use the same kinds of gaslighting and propaganda as Hamas do, and use the same media to spread it across the globe to make any criticism of their policies, practices and rhetoric either Islamophobia, right wing, white supremacy or just blame it on the Jews.

It really makes you wonder who is actually in charge. One thing for sure… it ain’t the President."

https://x.com/CherylWroteIt/status/1806726611598786799

Re: The Biden - Harris Era.

Posted: Fri Jun 28, 2024 1:34 pm
by Seacoaster(1)
LaxFan2311 wrote: Fri Jun 28, 2024 9:42 am
njbill wrote: Fri Jun 28, 2024 9:34 am
WaffleTwineFaceoff wrote: Fri Jun 28, 2024 9:14 am I feel disenfranchised from a party I'm struggling to recognize. Same as many of my friends, family and colleagues.
The people who feel disenfranchised from their party are the lifelong Republicans who are absolutely disgusted by Trump. There certainly are Democratic voters who would prefer another candidate at the top of the ticket, but I wouldn’t say they feel “disenfranchised from the party.”
The Democrat party is unrecognizable today. Democrats today support:

High inflation
Endless wars
Believe men can be women (What the heck)
Support open borders
Support illegal aliens over law abiding citizens
Support illegals replacing the American electorate to maintain power
High taxes on the middle class
Support pedophilia
They support voter fraud and fraudulent elections to maintain power
They support imprisoning their political opponents (fascist)
They support censoring by free speech (fascism)
They support killing babies via abortion up to and after birth
Democrats support putting America and its citizens last.

The whole country knows that now after the debate last night.

MAGA is about putting America First. Trump showed power, command and strength. He was under control and provided a sense of security for the country and its people. Voting for Trump means a return to normalcy and success for all Americans.
Is it “personal” if I suggest that this post is as stupid as almost anything posted here? Asking for a friend.

Re: "One thing for sure… it ain’t the President"

Posted: Fri Jun 28, 2024 1:50 pm
by jhu72
OuttaNowhereWregget wrote: Fri Jun 28, 2024 1:22 pm "If the build up to the upcoming November elections and last night’s debate has shown us anything, it’s that it now makes sense why so many Democrats are such Jew hating Hamas-supporting fascists… They literally use the same kinds of gaslighting and propaganda as Hamas do, and use the same media to spread it across the globe to make any criticism of their policies, practices and rhetoric either Islamophobia, right wing, white supremacy or just blame it on the Jews.

It really makes you wonder who is actually in charge. One thing for sure… it ain’t the President."

https://x.com/CherylWroteIt/status/1806726611598786799
.... more obvious nonsense. :roll:

Re: The Biden - Harris Era.

Posted: Fri Jun 28, 2024 2:07 pm
by LaxFan2311
Seacoaster(1) wrote: Fri Jun 28, 2024 1:34 pm
LaxFan2311 wrote: Fri Jun 28, 2024 9:42 am
njbill wrote: Fri Jun 28, 2024 9:34 am
WaffleTwineFaceoff wrote: Fri Jun 28, 2024 9:14 am I feel disenfranchised from a party I'm struggling to recognize. Same as many of my friends, family and colleagues.
The people who feel disenfranchised from their party are the lifelong Republicans who are absolutely disgusted by Trump. There certainly are Democratic voters who would prefer another candidate at the top of the ticket, but I wouldn’t say they feel “disenfranchised from the party.”
The Democrat party is unrecognizable today. Democrats today support:

High inflation
Endless wars
Believe men can be women (What the heck)
Support open borders
Support illegal aliens over law abiding citizens
Support illegals replacing the American electorate to maintain power
High taxes on the middle class
Support pedophilia
They support voter fraud and fraudulent elections to maintain power
They support imprisoning their political opponents (fascist)
They support censoring by free speech (fascism)
They support killing babies via abortion up to and after birth
Democrats support putting America and its citizens last.

The whole country knows that now after the debate last night.

MAGA is about putting America First. Trump showed power, command and strength. He was under control and provided a sense of security for the country and its people. Voting for Trump means a return to normalcy and success for all Americans.
Is it “personal” if I suggest that this post is as stupid as almost anything posted here? Asking for a friend.
Look in the mirror. That’s the person who you’re referring to. Reported your post for name calling. Enjoy your vacay!

Separating fantasy from reality: What now for Democrats and Joe Biden?

Posted: Fri Jun 28, 2024 2:23 pm
by OuttaNowhereWregget
ANALYSIS
Separating fantasy from reality: What now for Democrats and Joe Biden?
By James Pindell Globe Staff, June 28, 2024


Democrats are understandably fretting after President Biden’s objectively poor debate performance on Thursday night. It wasn’t that he was tactically outplayed by his opponent, former president Donald Trump; it’s that he came across as so old and incoherent that he didn’t even seem up for the job for the remainder of his current term.

This is not some right-wing talking point. High-level Democrats were openly saying this on cable TV moments after the debate concluded. The best take they could put on Biden’s performance was that it was simply “sad” to watch someone they know and love humiliate himself that way.

By Friday morning, Democrats were full of chatter about a whole list of “what if” scenarios that largely revolved around how to dump Biden from being the Democratic nominee for president this year — mostly fantasies not rooted in any type of reality.

At least give those Democrats this for consistency: If they really believe that Trump winning in November will end American democracy as we know it, then they need to do more than just shrug their shoulders and dismiss it as a bad night and that Biden had a cold.

So what really is next? Here’s a quick rundown:

Only Joe can dump Joe
Unless Biden decides to drop out of the contest, he will be the Democratic nominee. Let’s repeat that: Unless Biden decides to drop out of the contest, he will be the Democratic nominee. Oh, hell, let’s do it a third time: Unless Biden decides to drop out of the contest, he will be the Democratic nominee.

These are not the old days when a party walked into a national convention and just figured out who should be the party’s nominee for president. We have primaries now. In that state-by-state process, there are primaries and caucuses, and voters in those states pick who they want to be the nominee. Later, delegates are chosen who are bound to vote on the first ballot at the national convention in a way that proportionally reflects how each state voted in the primary.

The latest count from the Associated Press shows that Biden has 3,894 of 3,937 delegates committed so far on the first ballot. That is obviously more than the simple majority he needs to win the nomination.

But what if Biden does drop out?
Those who know Biden well describe him as a proud and stubborn man and don’t see Biden dropping out. That said, those same people are very aware of how bad Biden’s performance was during the first of only two planned debates.

But just for the sake of argument, should Biden drop out, then all of those delegates mentioned above are suddenly unbound, and it is a wide open nomination process. While there are some likely favorites, it is conceptually anyone’s game. Democrats could select someone who isn’t an elected official; they could pick someone who wasn’t even a Democrat before getting nominated. The only qualifications are that they are older than 35, born in the United States, and, as we have all recently learned, not guilty of participating in an insurrection against the federal government.

But this will (likely) not be an open convention like the days of yore
Unfortunately for political junkies (and cable news channels), there isn’t likely to be some epic floor fight for the nomination at the Democratic National Convention. You can blame Ohio for that.

Ohio’s state law requires that a nominee be selected 90 days in advance of the election to get on the ballot. That means that Democrats have to nominate someone by Aug. 7, even though their convention doesn’t begin until Aug. 19. To ensure ballot access in Ohio, Democrats had planned to just quietly hold a virtual roll call to nominate Biden and then do it all over again in prime time a few weeks later.

But suddenly, this little election year quirk is now an extremely important logistical event. It means that instead of a nominee being picked in a smoke-filled back room or some civic-minded primary, the nominee will be picked on Zoom.

What is most likely to happen?
There are really two scenarios that seem to be the most likely. First is that Biden just sticks it out and sees where the chips fall. Given how tight the 2020 election turned out to be, he was probably right that he was the only Democrat who could beat Trump last time. He believes he is the only one who can do it again in 2024, even though that may not be true at all.

The second is that if he drops out, he might endorse Vice President Kamala Harris in the same speech and prevent the party from all the hand-wringing about who to pick. Not only would that avoid weeks of unnecessary process, but logistically speaking, she might have immediate access to the hundreds of millions of dollars the Biden-Harris campaign committee has already raised in donations in ways other Democrats may not.

The future is now
So it is highly unlikely that the new crop of Democratic rising stars will do much else at the national convention besides get a coveted speaking spot. That said, the morning after the debate, it was announced that California Governor Gavin Newsom will travel to New Hampshire on July 8, likely with eyes on the 2028 New Hampshire primary and not the 2024 general election, as a candidate anyway.


James Pindell can be reached at [email protected]. Follow him @jamespindell and on Instagram @jameswpindell.

https://www.bostonglobe.com/2024/06/28/ ... ts-harris/

Re: The Biden - Harris Era.

Posted: Fri Jun 28, 2024 2:45 pm
by OuttaNowhereWregget
COMMENTARY
The Biden we saw on Thursday night is not capable of being president for another four years
By Brian McGrory Globe Columnist, June 28, 2024


There was something novelistic about the Supreme Court rolling out one alarming decision after another on Friday morning, all driven by the Trump majority — diminishing the sway of federal regulators in areas like the environment and public health one moment, and then undermining the ability of the government to charge the lunatics in the Jan. 6 insurrection in another.

This after one of the most stunning nights in modern political history, when it seemed that a scammer and his elderly victim came face to face in a debate that was embarrassing for this whole nation. Donald Trump, smirking, sneering, lying, walked out with every one of Joe Biden’s account numbers, and Biden can’t explain how it happened.

I’ll confess that my initial sympathy for Biden as he searched for thoughts that he couldn’t find while mumbling things that weren’t actually relevant, quickly turned into flat-out fury. This debate was his idea. He had weeks to prepare to do exactly one job. All he had to do, the one and only thing that he needed to achieve, was to show some level of command.

There is no shame in getting old. Age comes for everyone fortunate enough to achieve it, often in different ways. And it’s been said countless times since the merciful end of last night’s debate that Biden is a good man, even a good president, who deserves credit for navigating this country through a uniquely tumultuous time with a uniquely old-world sense of empathy.

There is, though, shame, in not knowing when to leave. There is shame in the hubris of believing that you are indispensable, in the way that Ruth Bader Ginsburg did. Which is really where the fury comes in. How dare that Joe Biden, that Jill Biden, that all the people around them clinging to the intoxicating power of the White House, believe that he, that they, are the only thing standing between this nation and the destruction of our democratic system. In that isn’t shame, but disgrace.

This administration has had months, years, to plan a succession. They had all this time to convince the president himself that the most patriotic act that he could commit at the end of his distinguished career is knowing exactly when that distinguished career should end. To know when it’s time to leave is in many ways to enforce the virtues of the job he did for his entire first term.

As an aside, the administration’s criticisms of The New York Times and, more recently, The Wall Street Journal, for focusing on Biden’s age and capacity is reprehensible, little better than Trump’s moronic exhortations of fake news.

The man that we saw on Thursday night is simply not capable of being the president for another four years. We might, in fact, be fortunate to get another four months. Again, that is not a shot at him. He is, in fact, an 81-year-old man. The shot at him is having the vanity to believe that he alone can stop a second Trump term, which will be exponentially more chaotic and destructive than the first.

Millions of words have been written already on how Biden must step aside. Yes. Maybe it’s his own clarifying realization after Thursday night’s catastrophe that he is no longer capable of facing adversaries and adversarial situations — a must in this current world. Maybe his wife will help him get there. Many analysts have said that the duo of Bill Clinton and Barack Obama need to prevail on Biden to step aside. Maybe, but Biden’s relationship with the latter, while episodically strong, has forever been tortured.

Who’s next? It doesn’t matter — Gavin Newsom, Gina Raimondo, Gretchen Whitmer, J.B. Pritzker, Kamala Harris, even Joe Manchin. Any of them has a better chance of defeating Trump than Joe Biden, and all of them can bring more clarity to the years ahead.

First, Biden has to make the dignified announcement that he’s decided the best course of action for himself, his party, and his country is to decline the nomination. It will be complicated. But he must do it, then let the delegates and party leaders figure it out. Two months of chaos will be far more palatable than four years of revenge.

Again, there’s no shame in growing old. In fact, for the luckiest among us, there is wisdom and grace. Joe Biden, one more time, must find the wisdom and the grace to serve his country well.


Brian McGrory is a Globe columnist. He can be reached at [email protected].

https://www.bostonglobe.com/2024/06/28/ ... nt=event12

Re: Separating fantasy from reality: What now for Democrats and Joe Biden?

Posted: Fri Jun 28, 2024 3:12 pm
by SCLaxAttack
OuttaNowhereWregget wrote: Fri Jun 28, 2024 2:23 pm ANALYSIS
Separating fantasy from reality: What now for Democrats and Joe Biden?
By James Pindell Globe Staff, June 28, 2024


Democrats are understandably fretting after President Biden’s objectively poor debate performance on Thursday night. It wasn’t that he was tactically outplayed by his opponent, former president Donald Trump; it’s that he came across as so old and incoherent that he didn’t even seem up for the job for the remainder of his current term.

This is not some right-wing talking point. High-level Democrats were openly saying this on cable TV moments after the debate concluded. The best take they could put on Biden’s performance was that it was simply “sad” to watch someone they know and love humiliate himself that way.

By Friday morning, Democrats were full of chatter about a whole list of “what if” scenarios that largely revolved around how to dump Biden from being the Democratic nominee for president this year — mostly fantasies not rooted in any type of reality.

At least give those Democrats this for consistency: If they really believe that Trump winning in November will end American democracy as we know it, then they need to do more than just shrug their shoulders and dismiss it as a bad night and that Biden had a cold.

So what really is next? Here’s a quick rundown:

Only Joe can dump Joe
Unless Biden decides to drop out of the contest, he will be the Democratic nominee. Let’s repeat that: Unless Biden decides to drop out of the contest, he will be the Democratic nominee. Oh, hell, let’s do it a third time: Unless Biden decides to drop out of the contest, he will be the Democratic nominee.

These are not the old days when a party walked into a national convention and just figured out who should be the party’s nominee for president. We have primaries now. In that state-by-state process, there are primaries and caucuses, and voters in those states pick who they want to be the nominee. Later, delegates are chosen who are bound to vote on the first ballot at the national convention in a way that proportionally reflects how each state voted in the primary.

The latest count from the Associated Press shows that Biden has 3,894 of 3,937 delegates committed so far on the first ballot. That is obviously more than the simple majority he needs to win the nomination.

But what if Biden does drop out?
Those who know Biden well describe him as a proud and stubborn man and don’t see Biden dropping out. That said, those same people are very aware of how bad Biden’s performance was during the first of only two planned debates.

But just for the sake of argument, should Biden drop out, then all of those delegates mentioned above are suddenly unbound, and it is a wide open nomination process. While there are some likely favorites, it is conceptually anyone’s game. Democrats could select someone who isn’t an elected official; they could pick someone who wasn’t even a Democrat before getting nominated. The only qualifications are that they are older than 35, born in the United States, and, as we have all recently learned, not guilty of participating in an insurrection against the federal government.

But this will (likely) not be an open convention like the days of yore
Unfortunately for political junkies (and cable news channels), there isn’t likely to be some epic floor fight for the nomination at the Democratic National Convention. You can blame Ohio for that.

Ohio’s state law requires that a nominee be selected 90 days in advance of the election to get on the ballot. That means that Democrats have to nominate someone by Aug. 7, even though their convention doesn’t begin until Aug. 19. To ensure ballot access in Ohio, Democrats had planned to just quietly hold a virtual roll call to nominate Biden and then do it all over again in prime time a few weeks later.

But suddenly, this little election year quirk is now an extremely important logistical event. It means that instead of a nominee being picked in a smoke-filled back room or some civic-minded primary, the nominee will be picked on Zoom.

What is most likely to happen?
There are really two scenarios that seem to be the most likely. First is that Biden just sticks it out and sees where the chips fall. Given how tight the 2020 election turned out to be, he was probably right that he was the only Democrat who could beat Trump last time. He believes he is the only one who can do it again in 2024, even though that may not be true at all.

The second is that if he drops out, he might endorse Vice President Kamala Harris in the same speech and prevent the party from all the hand-wringing about who to pick. Not only would that avoid weeks of unnecessary process, but logistically speaking, she might have immediate access to the hundreds of millions of dollars the Biden-Harris campaign committee has already raised in donations in ways other Democrats may not.

The future is now
So it is highly unlikely that the new crop of Democratic rising stars will do much else at the national convention besides get a coveted speaking spot. That said, the morning after the debate, it was announced that California Governor Gavin Newsom will travel to New Hampshire on July 8, likely with eyes on the 2028 New Hampshire primary and not the 2024 general election, as a candidate anyway.


James Pindell can be reached at [email protected]. Follow him @jamespindell and on Instagram @jameswpindell.

https://www.bostonglobe.com/2024/06/28/ ... ts-harris/
That Ohio August 9 date certainly limits Democratic Party options.

Regardless of Democrat, I hold my nose and pull that lever. No votes for seditionists.

Re: The Biden - Harris Era.

Posted: Fri Jun 28, 2024 5:04 pm
by youthathletics
Maybe they can persuade RFK to run as a dem.