From axioms piece this am. And it’s only going to get worse as locks leadership is being fashioned in the mold of hyper partisan idiots. (I have three CDC people on my block and my hood is crawling with them-they are not politicians or asking to be leaders, they’re in this for another reason and hate being told that they are the declarative answer and solution)
The big picture: This is still a nation very much in flux and clear communication from the top throughout this pandemic has proved ... challenging.
"We've always said these decisions are going to have to be made at the local level," CDC director Rochelle Walensky said during a briefing.
Hours later, however, White House spokeswoman Jen Psaki was asked about the CDC's universal indoor masking recommendation in schools. "This is where we would advise any American to follow the CDC," she said.
The bottom line: We've been here before where case counts dropped and masks came off.
It would behoove local leaders to define clear metrics when we do unmask so their communities understand what future threshold might require masks to come back, if — and when — COVID throws another curveball, experts said
hey cradle, get ready for the "where were you when trumps , fill in the blank, ......cabinet member or administration......did the same thing ? Huh, huh....where were YOU ?"
This post belongs in the "they are all the same" collection.
Dan Crenshaw says, “If you want only billionaires…to run for Congress…then keep making sure that we can’t raise our pay,” he continued, “that we can’t get a housing stipend, that we have to…pay rent in two different places. That’s fine, if that’s what you want to support, but just keep in mind that no one will run for Congress because you have no way to better yourself.”
Don’t cover your face when you cough and sneeze. That’s better.
Re: All things CoronaVirus
Posted: Thu Feb 10, 2022 7:55 am
by Farfromgeneva
Especially after eating tacos or italian food.
Re: All things CoronaVirus
Posted: Thu Feb 10, 2022 7:58 am
by Farfromgeneva
Here’s my issue with the school topic, APS where I live specifically. The parents against non masking want 100% safety. That’s a unreasonable position that makes “negotiation” impossible. There’s no consideration of cost-benefit, probability, etc. and they mistake the point of masks completely which is befuddling for a lot of highly educated folks in my specific elementary school district. That’s also (maybe not equal to the opposing extreme) not a very civic minded or community way of thinking either.
Re: All things CoronaVirus
Posted: Thu Feb 10, 2022 8:21 am
by Peter Brown
Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Thu Feb 10, 2022 7:58 am
Here’s my issue with the school topic, APS where I live specifically. The parents against non masking want 100% safety. That’s a unreasonable position that makes “negotiation” impossible. There’s no consideration of cost-benefit, probability, etc. and they mistake the point of masks completely which is befuddling for a lot of highly educated folks in my specific elementary school district. That’s also (maybe not equal to the opposing extreme) not a very civic minded or community way of thinking either.
When I read any of these debates on masks, I’m reminded that here in Florida, we have not forced kids to wear masks except for one brief period in the spring of 2020. Democrat in a few counties fought desantis for a while, but eventually they gave up.
You rarely see a mask on any Florida kid, certainly not on the west coast of Florida. If you do, the assumption is that child has a particular reason and need; meanwhile, every other kid here is living life as usual and have been for two years.
There’s a small catholic day school that is between my office and home and I drive by it every day. The playground outside almost always has maybe a dozen young kids on the jungle gym. They’re probably 5-8 years old. I have never once seen any of those kids with a mask, nor the teachers, as the kids tear around on the playground like little kids should, out of control, laughing, smiling, talking, learning , developing, having fun.
When I read how other states have dealt, forcing kids to mask up inside and outside, I shake my head in disbelief.
Re: All things CoronaVirus
Posted: Thu Feb 10, 2022 8:32 am
by NattyBohChamps04
wgdsr wrote: ↑Thu Feb 10, 2022 1:14 amxxx.
i question how we've used them as policy. and what we haven't done instead.
ftr, because of your wording on a post (studies showing ineffective), that i had already adjusted re: study conclusion, i suspected you weren't looking to be provided a link with your 2nd pass with that phrase, as it maybe wasn't what you wanted. (a study showing masks "ineffective" vs inconclusive). but of course you then decided to be your pleasant self. https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/10.7326/m20-6817
so... where is that best study? or have i been given what i asked for?
Policy questions are a very different matter vs. actual effectiveness.
Inconclusive is very different from conclusive ineffective results. So yes, still waiting on those, even though we provide conclusive results for other negative outcomes when asked. Not sure there will ever be a "best" study that would make you happy.
I have to be my pleasant self because a portion of the population is screwing the rest of us over. And I'm tired of it. And even if we had perfect policy and communications, it will still be flat out rejected by many.
wgdsr wrote: ↑Thu Feb 10, 2022 1:14 amxxx.
i question how we've used them as policy. and what we haven't done instead.
ftr, because of your wording on a post (studies showing ineffective), that i had already adjusted re: study conclusion, i suspected you weren't looking to be provided a link with your 2nd pass with that phrase, as it maybe wasn't what you wanted. (a study showing masks "ineffective" vs inconclusive). but of course you then decided to be your pleasant self. https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/10.7326/m20-6817
so... where is that best study? or have i been given what i asked for?
Policy questions are a very different matter vs. actual effectiveness.
Inconclusive is very different from conclusive ineffective results. So yes, still waiting on those, even though we provide conclusive results for other negative outcomes when asked. Not sure there will ever be a "best" study that would make you happy.
I have to be my pleasant self because a portion of the population is screwing the rest of us over. And I'm tired of it. And even if we had perfect policy and communications, it will still be flat out rejected by many.
masks? of course they will help. I wear my "respirator" to supermarkets and restaurants. Or when doing "demo" or painting, etc. indoors. When spraying, outdoors. So, of course masks work. mr. "I am science" Fauci? He was only lying, to protect the supply chain. Yeah....I am weird, we guess. Don't wear a respirator....that is TOO much protection. Love the looks I get......hypocrites. Stay strong Stacy Ahbrams......only the "elite" can do whatever , whenever, they want. Did we mention hypocrites ? YES, force people to take a chemical compound that doesn't prevent what the FDA application claimed it would prevent. It's beyond words.........hand placed in a bucket of ice water, STILL, will claim it is warm and dry..
Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Thu Feb 10, 2022 7:58 am
Here’s my issue with the school topic, APS where I live specifically. The parents against non masking want 100% safety. That’s a unreasonable position that makes “negotiation” impossible. There’s no consideration of cost-benefit, probability, etc. and they mistake the point of masks completely which is befuddling for a lot of highly educated folks in my specific elementary school district. That’s also (maybe not equal to the opposing extreme) not a very civic minded or community way of thinking either.
When I read any of these debates on masks, I’m reminded that here in Florida, we have not forced kids to wear masks except for one brief period in the spring of 2020. Democrat in a few counties fought desantis for a while, but eventually they gave up.
You rarely see a mask on any Florida kid, certainly not on the west coast of Florida. If you do, the assumption is that child has a particular reason and need; meanwhile, every other kid here is living life as usual and have been for two years.
There’s a small catholic day school that is between my office and home and I drive by it every day. The playground outside almost always has maybe a dozen young kids on the jungle gym. They’re probably 5-8 years old. I have never once seen any of those kids with a mask, nor the teachers, as the kids tear around on the playground like little kids should, out of control, laughing, smiling, talking, learning , developing, having fun.
When I read how other states have dealt, forcing kids to mask up inside and outside, I shake my head in disbelief.
Two things (IMO):
1. With respect to schools I think the decision should be driven by those who have school aged kids in their immediate household-notwithstanding the social, transmission risk to other adults. So I’ll take anyone’s thoughts but they’re just outsider opinions with less skin in the game to me.
2. You do realize that Feb in FL weather is unlike most of the rest of the country right? Even the delta between Atlanta and Orlando (N Fl) is 10-15 degrees in this month (we’re running highs of 50-60) I’m heading to Disney w my kids (family, not divorced yet and she’s driving this trip Id rather take them to Peru or Istanbul even if they’re a little young for that) next weds and it’s around 70 for the following week we are there. That makes a massive difference in decision making and approach you hopefully understand.
Lastly, got a friend who took over as CEO of a CT based bank called Fieldpoint Private and is pushing hard into S FL and looking to finance Yachts and Private planes. Id encourage you to see what they can offer and get in their network as it would likely help your plane hangars if not directly financing or servicing you.
Re: All things CoronaVirus
Posted: Thu Feb 10, 2022 8:48 am
by Typical Lax Dad
Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Thu Feb 10, 2022 7:58 am
Here’s my issue with the school topic, APS where I live specifically. The parents against non masking want 100% safety. That’s a unreasonable position that makes “negotiation” impossible. There’s no consideration of cost-benefit, probability, etc. and they mistake the point of masks completely which is befuddling for a lot of highly educated folks in my specific elementary school district. That’s also (maybe not equal to the opposing extreme) not a very civic minded or community way of thinking either.
My position has been this: “The government” doesn’t care if you die. What the government doesn’t want are hospitals overrun and the economy not to be disrupted. No chance of hospitals being overrun or the economy seizing up, then the government won’t tell you how to respond….you on your own. Since I have always considered myself on my own and basically just want the government to protect my rights, I make decisions on how best to protect my friends and family based on what I have learned while living on this planet. Never realized we knew nothing about how to slow down the spread of germs until the government told us in 2020…..can’t save them all and can’t fix stupid. Let these clowns keep hanging around people with no protection as the virus rages. When community spread is low, no problem with kids going maskless. If my wearing a mask, means kids can’t get back to normal, I am all for it. I had my turn.
Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Thu Feb 10, 2022 7:58 am
Here’s my issue with the school topic, APS where I live specifically. The parents against non masking want 100% safety. That’s a unreasonable position that makes “negotiation” impossible. There’s no consideration of cost-benefit, probability, etc. and they mistake the point of masks completely which is befuddling for a lot of highly educated folks in my specific elementary school district. That’s also (maybe not equal to the opposing extreme) not a very civic minded or community way of thinking either.
When I read any of these debates on masks, I’m reminded that here in Florida, we have not forced kids to wear masks except for one brief period in the spring of 2020. Democrat in a few counties fought desantis for a while, but eventually they gave up.
You rarely see a mask on any Florida kid, certainly not on the west coast of Florida. If you do, the assumption is that child has a particular reason and need; meanwhile, every other kid here is living life as usual and have been for two years.
There’s a small catholic day school that is between my office and home and I drive by it every day. The playground outside almost always has maybe a dozen young kids on the jungle gym. They’re probably 5-8 years old. I have never once seen any of those kids with a mask, nor the teachers, as the kids tear around on the playground like little kids should, out of control, laughing, smiling, talking, learning , developing, having fun.
When I read how other states have dealt, forcing kids to mask up inside and outside, I shake my head in disbelief.
Two things (IMO):
1. With respect to schools I think the decision should be driven by those who have school aged kids in their immediate household-notwithstanding the social, transmission risk to other adults. So I’ll take anyone’s thoughts but they’re just outsider opinions with less skin in the game to me.
2. You do realize that Feb in FL weather is unlike most of the rest of the country right? Even the delta between Atlanta and Orlando (N Fl) is 10-15 degrees in this month (we’re running highs of 50-60) I’m heading to Disney w my kids (family, not divorced yet and she’s driving this trip Id rather take them to Peru or Istanbul even if they’re a little young for that) next weds and it’s around 70 for the following week we are there. That makes a massive difference in decision making and approach you hopefully understand.
Lastly, got a friend who took over as CEO of a CT based bank called Fieldpoint Private and is pushing hard into S FL and looking to finance Yachts and Private planes. Id encourage you to see what they can offer and get in their network as it would likely help your plane hangars if not directly financing or servicing you.
Thanks. I will. I don’t know them; we generally only deal in super-mids and heavy jets. The biggest players are a CT a lender called Global Jet Capital…they are very good. PNC and BofA are aggressive lenders as well. Smaller lenders are Airfleet Capital and Dorr.
If you’re a qualified borrower with a private bank account, most private banks like Northern Trust, Bessemer, Goldman, etc will lend to those folks, even when the banks know nothing about planes.
Today is mildly dangerous if you borrow, because planes like real estate are selling above book value and ask price….the last time that occurred, there was a five year hangover after everyone woke up. So I tell friends don’t borrow…if you can afford it, buy it for cash.
Re: All things CoronaVirus
Posted: Thu Feb 10, 2022 8:56 am
by NattyBohChamps04
runrussellrun wrote: ↑Thu Feb 10, 2022 8:43 ammasks? of course they will help. I wear my "respirator" to supermarkets and restaurants. Or when doing "demo" or painting, etc. indoors. When spraying, outdoors. So, of course masks work. mr. "I am science" Fauci? He was only lying, to protect the supply chain. Yeah....I am weird, we guess. Don't wear a respirator....that is TOO much protection. Love the looks I get......hypocrites. Stay strong Stacy Ahbrams......only the "elite" can do whatever , whenever, they want. Did we mention hypocrites ? YES, force people to take a chemical compound that doesn't prevent what the FDA application claimed it would prevent. It's beyond words.........hand placed in a bucket of ice water, STILL, will claim it is warm and dry..
Why do you keep flat out lying about the vaccines? Why do you say that the unvaccinated should die?
Vaccines prevent SARS-CoV-2 infections.
Vaccines prevent COVID-19 disease.
Vaccines prevent severe COVID-19 disease.
Vaccines prevent death.
Vaccines make you less sick with COVID-19.
Vaccines are very effective, but aren't 100% effective.
Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Thu Feb 10, 2022 7:58 am
Here’s my issue with the school topic, APS where I live specifically. The parents against non masking want 100% safety. That’s a unreasonable position that makes “negotiation” impossible. There’s no consideration of cost-benefit, probability, etc. and they mistake the point of masks completely which is befuddling for a lot of highly educated folks in my specific elementary school district. That’s also (maybe not equal to the opposing extreme) not a very civic minded or community way of thinking either.
When I read any of these debates on masks, I’m reminded that here in Florida, we have not forced kids to wear masks except for one brief period in the spring of 2020. Democrat in a few counties fought desantis for a while, but eventually they gave up.
You rarely see a mask on any Florida kid, certainly not on the west coast of Florida. If you do, the assumption is that child has a particular reason and need; meanwhile, every other kid here is living life as usual and have been for two years.
There’s a small catholic day school that is between my office and home and I drive by it every day. The playground outside almost always has maybe a dozen young kids on the jungle gym. They’re probably 5-8 years old. I have never once seen any of those kids with a mask, nor the teachers, as the kids tear around on the playground like little kids should, out of control, laughing, smiling, talking, learning , developing, having fun.
When I read how other states have dealt, forcing kids to mask up inside and outside, I shake my head in disbelief.
Two things (IMO):
1. With respect to schools I think the decision should be driven by those who have school aged kids in their immediate household-notwithstanding the social, transmission risk to other adults. So I’ll take anyone’s thoughts but they’re just outsider opinions with less skin in the game to me.
2. You do realize that Feb in FL weather is unlike most of the rest of the country right? Even the delta between Atlanta and Orlando (N Fl) is 10-15 degrees in this month (we’re running highs of 50-60) I’m heading to Disney w my kids (family, not divorced yet and she’s driving this trip Id rather take them to Peru or Istanbul even if they’re a little young for that) next weds and it’s around 70 for the following week we are there. That makes a massive difference in decision making and approach you hopefully understand.
Lastly, got a friend who took over as CEO of a CT based bank called Fieldpoint Private and is pushing hard into S FL and looking to finance Yachts and Private planes. Id encourage you to see what they can offer and get in their network as it would likely help your plane hangars if not directly financing or servicing you.
Thanks. I will. I don’t know them; we generally only deal in super-mids and heavy jets. The biggest players are a CT a lender called Global Jet Capital…they are very good. PNC and BofA are aggressive lenders as well. Smaller lenders are Airfleet Capital and Dorr.
If you’re a qualified borrower with a private bank account, most private banks like Northern Trust, Bessemer, Goldman, etc will lend to those folks, even when the banks know nothing about planes.
Today is mildly dangerous if you borrow, because planes like real estate are selling above book value and ask price….the last time that occurred, there was a five year hangover after everyone woke up. So I tell friends don’t borrow…if you can afford it, buy it for cash.
Look out for a newer venture called Echo Aviation that’s building a plane leasing business as well. Buddy is doing a large equity/sub debt raise for them to blow it out. (Their business in a large growth manner not blow up)
Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Thu Feb 10, 2022 7:58 am
Here’s my issue with the school topic, APS where I live specifically. The parents against non masking want 100% safety. That’s a unreasonable position that makes “negotiation” impossible. There’s no consideration of cost-benefit, probability, etc. and they mistake the point of masks completely which is befuddling for a lot of highly educated folks in my specific elementary school district. That’s also (maybe not equal to the opposing extreme) not a very civic minded or community way of thinking either.
My position has been this: “The government” doesn’t care if you die. What the government doesn’t want are hospitals overrun and the economy not to be disrupted. No chance of hospitals being overrun or the economy seizing up, then the government won’t tell you how to respond….you on your own. Since I have always considered myself on my own and basically just want the government to protect my rights, I make decisions on how best to protect my friends and family based on what I have learned while living on this planet. Never realized we knew nothing about how to slow down the spread of germs until the government told us in 2020…..can’t save them all and can’t fix stupid. Let these clowns keep hanging around people with no protection as the virus rages. When community spread is low, no problem with kids going maskless. If my wearing a mask, means kids can’t get back to normal, I am all for it. I had my turn.
Makes sense-did you mean kids “can’t” get back to normal or “can”?
Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Thu Feb 10, 2022 7:58 am
Here’s my issue with the school topic, APS where I live specifically. The parents against non masking want 100% safety. That’s a unreasonable position that makes “negotiation” impossible. There’s no consideration of cost-benefit, probability, etc. and they mistake the point of masks completely which is befuddling for a lot of highly educated folks in my specific elementary school district. That’s also (maybe not equal to the opposing extreme) not a very civic minded or community way of thinking either.
My position has been this: “The government” doesn’t care if you die. What the government doesn’t want are hospitals overrun and the economy not to be disrupted. No chance of hospitals being overrun or the economy seizing up, then the government won’t tell you how to respond….you on your own. Since I have always considered myself on my own and basically just want the government to protect my rights, I make decisions on how best to protect my friends and family based on what I have learned while living on this planet. Never realized we knew nothing about how to slow down the spread of germs until the government told us in 2020…..can’t save them all and can’t fix stupid. Let these clowns keep hanging around people with no protection as the virus rages. When community spread is low, no problem with kids going maskless. If my wearing a mask, means kids can’t get back to normal, I am all for it. I had my turn.
Makes sense-did you mean kids “can’t” get back to normal or “can”?
2% 10yr…
Yes. I would make a small sacrament if it means kids can have a more normal experience. We didn’t want shut downs, we didn’t want social distancing, we don’t want to wear a stupid mask… “We spoilt”.
runrussellrun wrote: ↑Thu Feb 10, 2022 8:43 ammasks? of course they will help. I wear my "respirator" to supermarkets and restaurants. Or when doing "demo" or painting, etc. indoors. When spraying, outdoors. So, of course masks work. mr. "I am science" Fauci? He was only lying, to protect the supply chain. Yeah....I am weird, we guess. Don't wear a respirator....that is TOO much protection. Love the looks I get......hypocrites. Stay strong Stacy Ahbrams......only the "elite" can do whatever , whenever, they want. Did we mention hypocrites ? YES, force people to take a chemical compound that doesn't prevent what the FDA application claimed it would prevent. It's beyond words.........hand placed in a bucket of ice water, STILL, will claim it is warm and dry..
Why do you keep flat out lying about the vaccines? Why do you say that the unvaccinated should die? I don't, just quoting others.
Vaccines prevent SARS-CoV-2 infections. Really, in this little world of LP, plenty of fully vaccinated getting infected
Vaccines prevent COVID-19 disease. OK
Vaccines prevent severe COVID-19 disease. millions of US citizens had the same outcome, prior to vaxxs emergency approval. Wanna explain ?
Vaccines prevent death.
Vaccines make you less sick with COVID-19.
Vaccines are very effective, but aren't 100% effective. Effective at doing what? What %, if not 100% ?
Are we denying that many posters wish the unvaccinated death? Guess you must have lots of people on "ignore" apparently
