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Re: All things CoronaVirus
Posted: Mon Feb 07, 2022 11:45 am
by MDlaxfan76
get it to x wrote: ↑Mon Feb 07, 2022 11:30 am
MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 07, 2022 9:13 am
Restrictions were predicted to be released when Omicron wanes...as it is in NJ. Cases have dropped 90% since the peak 30 days ago, hospitalizations have dropped 70%. The Governor had indicated that restrictions would be lifted when cases dropped, hospitalizations dropped sufficiently.
Must be a problem for right wing keyboard warriors to have the NJ Gov follow through as predicted.
Thrilled he is following through, and not assigning any political motive to it either. Also, no more of a problem than for Joe Biden, not a left wing keyboard warrior, just the POTUS. How many times did he assert that if you got vaccinated, you wouldn't get Covid? Misinformation or a deliberate lie? Your thoughts?
Not disinformation and certainly not a lie, when they thought that was the case. Delta proved them wrong, Omicron proved it 100% wrong about infections.
Vaccinations, even at their very highest point of measured efficacy (Alpha), were not 100% and I don't recall anyone, including Biden say they were. Vaccinations were the best defense, a game changer certainly, so it was not misinformation to say so. Unfortunately, a huge percentage of Americans refused to get vaccinated and continued to provide tons of dry tinder for spread.
And even against Omicron, fully vaccinated and boosted have significant resistance to infection, cases are milder, and spread is less...than if not fully vaccinated and boosted...and way, way better than unvaccinated.
This expectation for absolutes, for perfect communications and predictions, is misguided, and IMO far too often motivated by political partisanship. My sense is that most of these folks are trying hard to get it 'right' but there are those who simply aren't...and the latter group is a serious problem for all the rest.
Re: All things CoronaVirus
Posted: Mon Feb 07, 2022 11:47 am
by jhu72
Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Mon Feb 07, 2022 11:37 am
Peter Brown wrote: ↑Mon Feb 07, 2022 11:20 am
Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Mon Feb 07, 2022 10:56 am
jhu72 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 07, 2022 10:51 am
The ivermectin story of lies and fraud. Faked data, websites clearly built to
fool the easily fooled. Latest study from McMaster University shows no significant value in the treatment of COVID.
It has been demonstrated here repeatedly. Spoke with a friend this weekend that brought up the “Johns Hopkins Study”
….I explained to him what it really was…. He’s in the right wing target audience. Heavy crossover with tradesmen and construction contracting. I call it the “Trump was involved in our business effect”. Some have woke up. Some have not.
Glad you ‘educated’ your buddy on the shallowness of Steve Hanke, that mouth breather.
Here’s Steve’s CV:
http://www.policyexperts.org/cv/HankeSteve.pdf
What a know-nothing; a modern day Lewis Charles Levin, he is!
“Johns Hopkins” published that “study”? Smart guy….he knows better. Great economist.
... The fact that Hopkins has not put out a press release touting Hanke's research tells you everything you need to know. Idiot Tuckyo Rose claims this is a problem with Hopkins and thereby all academic institutions for not supporting a clearly contrived study.
Re: All things CoronaVirus
Posted: Mon Feb 07, 2022 11:51 am
by wgdsr
jhu72 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 07, 2022 10:51 am
The ivermectin story of lies and fraud. Faked data, websites clearly built to fool the easily fooled. Latest study from McMaster University shows no significant value in the treatment of COVID.
sweet, finally!!! mcmaster study link?
Re: All things CoronaVirus
Posted: Mon Feb 07, 2022 11:55 am
by jhu72
wgdsr wrote: ↑Mon Feb 07, 2022 11:51 am
jhu72 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 07, 2022 10:51 am
The ivermectin story of lies and fraud. Faked data, websites clearly built to fool the easily fooled. Latest study from McMaster University shows no significant value in the treatment of COVID.
sweet, finally!!! mcmaster study link?
... just a quote from McMaster in the article referenced (towards the end). Study not published yet.
Edward Mills, a health-sciences professor at Canada’s McMaster University, is co-investigator of the Together clinical trial, another rigorous study that is evaluating nine different repurposed drugs as COVID-19 therapies, including ivermectin. It recently completed the ivermectin analysis but found it “did not demonstrate an important benefit,” Mills said in an email. The research may be published this month, he said.
Re: All things CoronaVirus
Posted: Mon Feb 07, 2022 12:07 pm
by runrussellrun
MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 07, 2022 11:45 am
Not disinformation and certainly not a lie, when
they thought that was the
case. Delta proved them wrong, Omicron proved it 100% wrong about infections.
Who is "they" ?
The "case", would that be the approval of a chemical compound, based on information that it actually worked ?
Variants proved them wrong, whomever, "them" is........but, curious....what was proven wrong ?
That trump's fake "vaccine" don't work ? exactly
who told "them" that they wood work, in the first plaace ? another exactly.
and you STILL want to force others to take something that clearly, does NOT work. at all. spare us the "mild symptom" crap.....over 100 million US covid survivors had the exact same experiences. And F the unvaccinated, let them die (fittniseasy)
You agree, the vaccines don't work. Why push for them, to be mandatory? It's straight up mafia crap......
Re: All things CoronaVirus
Posted: Mon Feb 07, 2022 12:10 pm
by RedFromMI
wgdsr wrote: ↑Mon Feb 07, 2022 11:51 am
jhu72 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 07, 2022 10:51 am
The ivermectin story of lies and fraud. Faked data, websites clearly built to fool the easily fooled. Latest study from McMaster University shows no significant value in the treatment of COVID.
sweet, finally!!! mcmaster study link?
HOw about this:
https://trialsitenews.com/mcmaster-toge ... e-promise/
Re: All things CoronaVirus
Posted: Mon Feb 07, 2022 12:17 pm
by wgdsr
i've only seen the outline for it. 9 or 11? drugs with 2,000 participants was what i saw also. so maybe 100-200 person arms?
sounds like most others. is there a link to study results published yet? i didn't pursue in earnest after seeing the above prior.
Re: All things CoronaVirus
Posted: Mon Feb 07, 2022 12:18 pm
by wgdsr
jhu72 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 07, 2022 11:55 am
wgdsr wrote: ↑Mon Feb 07, 2022 11:51 am
jhu72 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 07, 2022 10:51 am
The ivermectin story of lies and fraud. Faked data, websites clearly built to fool the easily fooled. Latest study from McMaster University shows no significant value in the treatment of COVID.
sweet, finally!!! mcmaster study link?
... just a quote from McMaster in the article referenced (towards the end). Study not published yet.
Edward Mills, a health-sciences professor at Canada’s McMaster University, is co-investigator of the Together clinical trial, another rigorous study that is evaluating nine different repurposed drugs as COVID-19 therapies, including ivermectin. It recently completed the ivermectin analysis but found it “did not demonstrate an important benefit,” Mills said in an email. The research may be published this month, he said.
well, at least we have the email.
Re: All things CoronaVirus
Posted: Mon Feb 07, 2022 1:21 pm
by Peter Brown
jhu72 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 07, 2022 11:47 am
Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Mon Feb 07, 2022 11:37 am
Peter Brown wrote: ↑Mon Feb 07, 2022 11:20 am
Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Mon Feb 07, 2022 10:56 am
jhu72 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 07, 2022 10:51 am
The ivermectin story of lies and fraud. Faked data, websites clearly built to
fool the easily fooled. Latest study from McMaster University shows no significant value in the treatment of COVID.
It has been demonstrated here repeatedly. Spoke with a friend this weekend that brought up the “Johns Hopkins Study”
….I explained to him what it really was…. He’s in the right wing target audience. Heavy crossover with tradesmen and construction contracting. I call it the “Trump was involved in our business effect”. Some have woke up. Some have not.
Glad you ‘educated’ your buddy on the shallowness of Steve Hanke, that mouth breather.
Here’s Steve’s CV:
http://www.policyexperts.org/cv/HankeSteve.pdf
What a know-nothing; a modern day Lewis Charles Levin, he is!
“Johns Hopkins” published that “study”? Smart guy….he knows better. Great economist.
... The fact that Hopkins has not put out a press release touting Hanke's research tells you everything you need to know. Idiot Tuckyo Rose claims this is a problem with Hopkins and thereby all academic institutions for not supporting a clearly contrived study.
They haven’t put out a press release disavowing it either, Spanky.
Re: All things CoronaVirus
Posted: Mon Feb 07, 2022 1:39 pm
by jhu72
Peter Brown wrote: ↑Mon Feb 07, 2022 1:21 pm
jhu72 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 07, 2022 11:47 am
Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Mon Feb 07, 2022 11:37 am
Peter Brown wrote: ↑Mon Feb 07, 2022 11:20 am
Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Mon Feb 07, 2022 10:56 am
jhu72 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 07, 2022 10:51 am
The ivermectin story of lies and fraud. Faked data, websites clearly built to
fool the easily fooled. Latest study from McMaster University shows no significant value in the treatment of COVID.
It has been demonstrated here repeatedly. Spoke with a friend this weekend that brought up the “Johns Hopkins Study”
….I explained to him what it really was…. He’s in the right wing target audience. Heavy crossover with tradesmen and construction contracting. I call it the “Trump was involved in our business effect”. Some have woke up. Some have not.
Glad you ‘educated’ your buddy on the shallowness of Steve Hanke, that mouth breather.
Here’s Steve’s CV:
http://www.policyexperts.org/cv/HankeSteve.pdf
What a know-nothing; a modern day Lewis Charles Levin, he is!
“Johns Hopkins” published that “study”? Smart guy….he knows better. Great economist.
... The fact that Hopkins has not put out a press release touting Hanke's research tells you everything you need to know. Idiot Tuckyo Rose claims this is a problem with Hopkins and thereby all academic institutions for not supporting a clearly contrived study.
They haven’t put out a press release disavowing it either, Spanky.
... I am guessing they have decided to let it lay as the scientific community isn't buying it Kellyanne. Hanke won't be a Hopkins issue much longer.
Re: All things CoronaVirus
Posted: Mon Feb 07, 2022 1:45 pm
by MDlaxfan76
Peter Brown wrote: ↑Mon Feb 07, 2022 1:21 pm
jhu72 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 07, 2022 11:47 am
Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Mon Feb 07, 2022 11:37 am
Peter Brown wrote: ↑Mon Feb 07, 2022 11:20 am
Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Mon Feb 07, 2022 10:56 am
jhu72 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 07, 2022 10:51 am
The ivermectin story of lies and fraud. Faked data, websites clearly built to
fool the easily fooled. Latest study from McMaster University shows no significant value in the treatment of COVID.
It has been demonstrated here repeatedly. Spoke with a friend this weekend that brought up the “Johns Hopkins Study”
….I explained to him what it really was…. He’s in the right wing target audience. Heavy crossover with tradesmen and construction contracting. I call it the “Trump was involved in our business effect”. Some have woke up. Some have not.
Glad you ‘educated’ your buddy on the shallowness of Steve Hanke, that mouth breather.
Here’s Steve’s CV:
http://www.policyexperts.org/cv/HankeSteve.pdf
What a know-nothing; a modern day Lewis Charles Levin, he is!
“Johns Hopkins” published that “study”? Smart guy….he knows better. Great economist.
... The fact that Hopkins has not put out a press release touting Hanke's research tells you everything you need to know. Idiot Tuckyo Rose claims this is a problem with Hopkins and thereby all academic institutions for not supporting a clearly contrived study.
They haven’t put out a press release disavowing it either, Spanky.
Which they likely won't, though you can be sure that many of his colleagues are shaking their heads at this particular piece of "analysis" chock full of predetermined outcomes and fallacies.
There's this myth promoted by the right wing that "elite" academic institutions like Hopkins and Harvard don't tolerate highly conservative thinkers in their faculty. Quite untrue.
If you want to understand where Hancke is coming from, just understand that in addition to CATO, he's also affiliated with the Heartland Institute.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heartland_Institute
But having such folks as part of a diverse faculty is important, even if they are sometimes ridiculously partisan in their views and not so great in their work. Same goes for super liberal folks.
But yeah, usually Hopkins would put out a press release about academic work that's supported by the the institution. Pretty clear this was not, but who knows, they may yet acknowledge it in some way...I'd be interested to see what sort of reaction it's getting in the student paper...
Re: All things CoronaVirus
Posted: Mon Feb 07, 2022 2:00 pm
by MDlaxfan76
Forbes isn't exactly a bastion of left-wing ideology, right?
https://www.forbes.com/sites/brucelee/2 ... ab08691225
Re: All things CoronaVirus
Posted: Mon Feb 07, 2022 2:16 pm
by RedFromMI
This is a BRUTAL takedown of the work. Some of it quite hilarious as well.
Re: All things CoronaVirus
Posted: Mon Feb 07, 2022 2:36 pm
by jhu72
RedFromMI wrote: ↑Mon Feb 07, 2022 2:16 pm
This is a BRUTAL takedown of the work. Some of it quite hilarious as well.
... pretty brutal. No need for Hopkins to address the issue, Forbes did it for them in a way the administration could not have.
Re: All things CoronaVirus
Posted: Mon Feb 07, 2022 3:07 pm
by youthathletics
jhu72 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 07, 2022 2:36 pm
RedFromMI wrote: ↑Mon Feb 07, 2022 2:16 pm
This is a BRUTAL takedown of the work. Some of it quite hilarious as well.
... pretty brutal. No need for Hopkins to address the issue, Forbes did it for them in a way the administration could not have.
Is that like Facebook fact checking the British Medical Journal...which recently took place. FAct checking has officially been minimized to Fanlax theorem.
Re: All things CoronaVirus
Posted: Mon Feb 07, 2022 3:19 pm
by RedFromMI
youthathletics wrote: ↑Mon Feb 07, 2022 3:07 pm
jhu72 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 07, 2022 2:36 pm
RedFromMI wrote: ↑Mon Feb 07, 2022 2:16 pm
This is a BRUTAL takedown of the work. Some of it quite hilarious as well.
... pretty brutal. No need for Hopkins to address the issue, Forbes did it for them in a way the administration could not have.
Is that like Facebook fact checking the British Medical Journal...which recently took place. FAct checking has officially been minimized to Fanlax theorem.
This is the guy who wrote the Forbes article (Bruce Y. Lee):
I am a writer, journalist, professor, systems modeler, computational and digital health expert, medical doctor, avocado-eater, and entrepreneur, not always in that order. Currently, I am a Professor of Health Policy and Management at the City University of New York (CUNY) School of Public Health, Executive Director of PHICOR (@PHICORteam) and Center for Advanced Technology and Communication in Health (CATCH), and founder and CEO of Symsilico. My previous positions include serving as Professor By Courtesy at the Johns Hopkins Carey Business School, Executive Director of the Global Obesity Prevention Center (GOPC) at Johns Hopkins University, Associate Professor of International Health at the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health, Associate Professor of Medicine and Biomedical Informatics at the University of Pittsburgh, and Senior Manager at Quintiles Transnational, working in biotechnology equity research at Montgomery Securities, and co-founding a biotechnology/bioinformatics company. My work has included developing computer approaches, models, and tools to help health and healthcare decision makers in all continents (except for Antarctica). This has included serving as the Principal Investigator of research grants from a wide variety of sponsors such as the National Institutes of Health (NIH), Agency for Healthcare Research and Quality (AHRQ), National Science Foundation (NSF), the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), UNICEF, USAID, the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, and the Global Fund. I have authored over 250 scientific publications and three books. I've also written articles for The New York Times, Time, The Guardian, The HuffPost, STAT, and the MIT Technology Review and others. My work and expertise have appeared in leading media outlets such as The New York Times, ABC, USA Today, Good Morning America, Tamron Hall Show, BBC, The Los Angeles Times, Newsweek, CBS News, Businessweek, U.S. News and World Report, Bloomberg News, Reuters, National Public Radio (NPR), National Geographic, MSN, and PBS. Follow me on Twitter (@bruce_y_lee) but don’t ask me if I know martial arts.
This is nothing like a Facebook fact check.
Read the article in full. Then you should understand why the original not-really Johns Hopkins "working paper" is pretty much worthless.
Re: All things CoronaVirus
Posted: Mon Feb 07, 2022 3:26 pm
by a fan
youthathletics wrote: ↑Mon Feb 07, 2022 3:07 pm
jhu72 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 07, 2022 2:36 pm
RedFromMI wrote: ↑Mon Feb 07, 2022 2:16 pm
This is a BRUTAL takedown of the work. Some of it quite hilarious as well.
... pretty brutal. No need for Hopkins to address the issue, Forbes did it for them in a way the administration could not have.
Is that like Facebook fact checking the British Medical Journal...which recently took place. FAct checking has officially been minimized to Fanlax theorem.
YA….pretend it’s all 1000% accurate.
Now what? They define a mask mandate anywhere in the State/Country as a “lockdown”. The authors think California is the same as Florida in terms of gov restrictions.
So if you’re foxnation, trying to be use this paper to say Floridas choices were better than Californias far more restrictive laws? This paper is utterly useless.
It doesn’t pass the laugh test, ya. Who the F thinks that wearing a mask in an elementary school is the same thing as shutting down all non-essential businesses?
No one. Except this stupid, pointless paper.
Re: All things CoronaVirus
Posted: Mon Feb 07, 2022 4:56 pm
by youthathletics
a fan wrote: ↑Mon Feb 07, 2022 3:26 pm
youthathletics wrote: ↑Mon Feb 07, 2022 3:07 pm
jhu72 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 07, 2022 2:36 pm
RedFromMI wrote: ↑Mon Feb 07, 2022 2:16 pm
This is a BRUTAL takedown of the work. Some of it quite hilarious as well.
... pretty brutal. No need for Hopkins to address the issue, Forbes did it for them in a way the administration could not have.
Is that like Facebook fact checking the British Medical Journal...which recently took place. FAct checking has officially been minimized to Fanlax theorem.
YA….pretend it’s all 1000% accurate.
Now what? They define a mask mandate anywhere in the State/Country as a “lockdown”. The authors think California is the same as Florida in terms of gov restrictions.
So if you’re foxnation, trying to be use this paper to say Floridas choices were better than Californias far more restrictive laws? This paper is utterly useless.
It doesn’t pass the laugh test, ya. Who the F thinks that wearing a mask in an elementary school is the same thing as shutting down all non-essential businesses?
No one. Except this stupid, pointless paper.
you pretty much proved my point.
Re: All things CoronaVirus
Posted: Mon Feb 07, 2022 5:10 pm
by a fan
Yeah, no you didn’t.
All this tells me is that you didn’t bother reading a word of it.
Do YOU think that California and Florida have the same exact set of governmental Covid restrictions ?
If your answer is “yes”, well, this paper is for you!!
If your answer is “no”, no amount of math make this paper useful to you.
Re: All things CoronaVirus
Posted: Mon Feb 07, 2022 6:12 pm
by youthathletics
a fan wrote: ↑Mon Feb 07, 2022 5:10 pm
Yeah, no you didn’t.
All this tells me is that you didn’t bother reading a word of it.
Do YOU think that California and Florida have the same exact set of governmental Covid restrictions ?
If your answer is “yes”, well, this paper is for you!!
If your answer is “no”, no amount of math make this paper useful to you.
I read much of it, I am the one that originally posted it. I also do not need a paper to tell me lockdowns for an entire country were a not so good idea. In typical fashion, you boiled it all down in to that nice binary roux, so you can then open and close your box of choice, depending on which way they wind blows.
