The National Assessment for Educational Progress announced historic declines in math
more than a decade of faltering academic progress.
Math scores have been falling off for years, particularly for those in the lowest 10 percent to 25 percent of students.
The pandemic simply made it worse. It took poor performance and dropped it down even further,” said U.S. Secretary of Education Miguel Cardona,
...these students back on track so that they can be prepared for global competition in these areas.”
This is great. But you realize that this has nothing to do with the previous discussion on woke, right? The above is simply sorting through the debris of Covid. It had a devastating effect.
What's the solution?
It has everything to do with the previous discussion which showed woke indoctrination embedded in math questions.
Covid's no excuse. The decline preceded covid (see above)
The solution -- stick to basics, repetition, homework, no social promotions.
Ok...again, so I understand....you think that the decline started with "woke", which is just years old. Not even a decade. And you think if that's removed from math, test scores will soar in every subject? ...there you go again. Where did I say that ? It has not helped. It's a needless distraction. No. There YOU go again. If you're going to play this game, YOU need to be held accountable for your own words. YOU said: THE solution. That's singular. As in: there is only one. Next time? Say what you mean, and write "ONE solution". Or don't complain because you didn't write what you were thinking. I'm not a mind reader, and you don't get to chirp poster for your inadequacies as a writer.
For me? I own up to being unclear all the time. Maybe you can give that a try?
From your citation: Eighth graders in every kind of school—private Roman Catholic, charter, and traditional public schools—lost ground in math,
Pretty sure they're not woke in Catholic Schools. "pretty sure" ? How do you know ? How many came through the same ED majors ? Use the same texts & teaching matl ? Most I knew were public school certified who couldn't find job openings where their spouse was stationed or left public schools because of the lack of discipline & quality of students & parental involvement.
You think that Catholic schools don't pay any mind to curriculum or textbooks...no vetting? Are you serious? And further, for a guy who doesn't have kids, your posts are FILLED with assumptions about how schools work in 2023, where you take the word of some guy on the internet---and assume they're telling the whole story. And yet you think I'm the one who's making assumptions.
The National Assessment for Educational Progress announced historic declines in math
more than a decade of faltering academic progress.
Math scores have been falling off for years, particularly for those in the lowest 10 percent to 25 percent of students.
The pandemic simply made it worse. It took poor performance and dropped it down even further,” said U.S. Secretary of Education Miguel Cardona,
...these students back on track so that they can be prepared for global competition in these areas.”
This is great. But you realize that this has nothing to do with the previous discussion on woke, right? The above is simply sorting through the debris of Covid. It had a devastating effect.
What's the solution?
It has everything to do with the previous discussion which showed woke indoctrination embedded in math questions.
Covid's no excuse. The decline preceded covid (see above)
The solution -- stick to basics, repetition, homework, no social promotions.
Ok...again, so I understand....you think that the decline started with "woke", which is just years old. Not even a decade. And you think if that's removed from math, test scores will soar in every subject? ...there you go again. Where did I say that ? It has not helped. It's a needless distraction. No. There YOU go again. If you're going to play this game, YOU need to be held accountable for your own words. YOU said: THE solution. That's singular. As in: there is only one. Next time? Say what you mean, and write "ONE solution". Or don't complain because you didn't write what you were thinking. I'm not a mind reader, and you don't get to chirp poster for your inadequacies as a writer.
For me? I own up to being unclear all the time. Maybe you can give that a try?
From your citation: Eighth graders in every kind of school—private Roman Catholic, charter, and traditional public schools—lost ground in math,
Pretty sure they're not woke in Catholic Schools. "pretty sure" ? How do you know ? How many came through the same ED majors ? Use the same texts & teaching matl ? Most I knew were public school certified who couldn't find job openings where their spouse was stationed or left public schools because of the lack of discipline & quality of students & parental involvement.
You think that Catholic schools don't pay any mind to curriculum or textbooks...no vetting? Are you serious? And further, for a guy who doesn't have kids, your posts are FILLED with assumptions about how schools work in 2023, where you take the word of some guy on the internet---and assume they're telling the whole story. And yet you think I'm the one who's making assumptions.
Only one persons experience or knowledge matters around here and everyone else’s is worthless.
Now I love those cowboys, I love their gold
Love my uncle, God rest his soul
Taught me good, Lord, taught me all I know
Taught me so well, that I grabbed that gold
I left his dead ass there by the side of the road, yeah
The latest results of an international exam given to teenagers ranked the USA ninth in reading and 31st in math literacy out of 79 countries and economies. America has a smaller-than-average share of top-performing math students, and scores have essentially been flat for two decades.
One likely reason: U.S. high schools teach math differently than other countries.
Classes here often focus on formulas and procedures rather than teaching students to think creatively about solving complex problems involving all sorts of mathematics, experts said. That makes it harder for students to compete globally, be it on an international exam or in colleges and careers that value sophisticated thinking and data science.
Let’s do it like we did in the 1950s…..When America was great!
You don’t know american you Gen z fool!
Now I love those cowboys, I love their gold
Love my uncle, God rest his soul
Taught me good, Lord, taught me all I know
Taught me so well, that I grabbed that gold
I left his dead ass there by the side of the road, yeah
The National Assessment for Educational Progress announced historic declines in math
more than a decade of faltering academic progress.
Math scores have been falling off for years, particularly for those in the lowest 10 percent to 25 percent of students.
The pandemic simply made it worse. It took poor performance and dropped it down even further,” said U.S. Secretary of Education Miguel Cardona,
...these students back on track so that they can be prepared for global competition in these areas.”
This is great. But you realize that this has nothing to do with the previous discussion on woke, right? The above is simply sorting through the debris of Covid. It had a devastating effect.
What's the solution?
It has everything to do with the previous discussion which showed woke indoctrination embedded in math questions.
Covid's no excuse. The decline preceded covid (see above)
The solution -- stick to basics, repetition, homework, no social promotions.
Ok...again, so I understand....you think that the decline started with "woke", which is just years old. Not even a decade. And you think if that's removed from math, test scores will soar in every subject? ...there you go again. Where did I say that ? It has not helped. It's a needless distraction. No. There YOU go again. If you're going to play this game, YOU need to be held accountable for your own words. YOU said: THE solution. That's singular. As in: there is only one. Next time? Say what you mean, and write "ONE solution". Or don't complain because you didn't write what you were thinking. I'm not a mind reader, and you don't get to chirp poster for your inadequacies as a writer.
For me? I own up to being unclear all the time. Maybe you can give that a try?
From your citation: Eighth graders in every kind of school—private Roman Catholic, charter, and traditional public schools—lost ground in math,
Pretty sure they're not woke in Catholic Schools. "pretty sure" ? How do you know ? How many came through the same ED majors ? Use the same texts & teaching matl ? Most I knew were public school certified who couldn't find job openings where their spouse was stationed or left public schools because of the lack of discipline & quality of students & parental involvement.
You think that Catholic schools don't pay any mind to curriculum or textbooks...no vetting? Are you serious? And further, for a guy who doesn't have kids, your posts are FILLED with assumptions about how schools work in 2023, where you take the word of some guy on the internet---and assume they're telling the whole story. And yet you think I'm the one who's making assumptions.
Where did I say this started the decline ? The article I posted says just the opposite. It's been a steady decline since will before covid. You're shifting goal posts.
You asked for my recommended solution. I provided it.
Where did I say Catholic schools don't pay attention ?
Do Catholic schools have their own original texts or get them from the same publishers as public schools ?
The latest results of an international exam given to teenagers ranked the USA ninth in reading and 31st in math literacy out of 79 countries and economies. America has a smaller-than-average share of top-performing math students, and scores have essentially been flat for two decades.
One likely reason: U.S. high schools teach math differently than other countries.
Classes here often focus on formulas and procedures rather than teaching students to think creatively about solving complex problems involving all sorts of mathematics, experts said. That makes it harder for students to compete globally, be it on an international exam or in colleges and careers that value sophisticated thinking and data science.
Let’s do it like we did in the 1950s…..When America was great!
You don’t know american you Gen z fool!
This is what the just teach Reading, ‘Righting and ‘Rithmetic crowd wants. MAGA….back when there was no competition around most of the planet as well as here at home.
old salt wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 7:56 pm
Where did I say this started the decline ? The article I posted says just the opposite. It's been a steady decline since will before covid. You're shifting goal posts.You did all of that when you told me that focusing on STEM without the cultural woke stuff was THE solution. Which means there's only ONE problem in education, and that this problem didn't exist before woke. And the decline started with the advent of woke. Your inexact language did all that. You don't get to blame me for that....I'm not a mind reader. You clarified..and guess what? Now I know what you mean, misunderstanding solved, and we can move on
You asked for my recommended solution. I provided it.You're doing it again. These two sentences imply that there is only ONE problem, and you gave your solution. What you MEAN is: you asked me for my recommended solution for what I see as a problem with woke.
Where did I say Catholic schools don't pay attention ? Sigh. Logic did that for you. The ONLY way that a Catholic School is going put far left ideas into their instruction of textbooks is if they're not paying attention, and it's accidental. Or do you think the Catholic church is home to woke?
Do Catholic schools have their own original texts or get them from the same publishers as public schools ?
Every School System vets their own textbooks. Are you really going to argue that Catholic, Jewish, Mormon, and other religious schools aren't going to have their own exacting standards for textbooks...where they're paying VERY close attention to having any lefty ideas in there? Come on. Some things are just obvious, and don't need to be argued for no reason.
The latest results of an international exam given to teenagers ranked the USA ninth in reading and 31st in math literacy out of 79 countries and economies. America has a smaller-than-average share of top-performing math students, and scores have essentially been flat for two decades.
One likely reason: U.S. high schools teach math differently than other countries.
Classes here often focus on formulas and procedures rather than teaching students to think creatively about solving complex problems involving all sorts of mathematics, experts said. That makes it harder for students to compete globally, be it on an international exam or in colleges and careers that value sophisticated thinking and data science.
Let’s do it like we did in the 1950s…..When America was great!
You don’t know american you Gen z fool!
Let's teach math problems on police dept demographics & real estate red lining. That creative thinking will close the gap.
Where do these international whiz kids come for college & advanced degrees ?
Whose designs are copied & pirated ?
Have you noticed how US aircraft design, civil & miltary, is copied internationally ?
old salt wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 7:56 pm
Where did I say this started the decline ? The article I posted says just the opposite. It's been a steady decline since will before covid. You're shifting goal posts.You did all of that when you told me that focusing on STEM without the cultural woke stuff was THE solution. Which means there's only ONE problem in education, and that this problem didn't exist before woke. And the decline started with the advent of woke. Your inexact language did all that. You don't get to blame me for that....I'm not a mind reader. You clarified..and guess what? Now I know what you mean, misunderstanding solved, and we can move on
You asked for my recommended solution. I provided it.You're doing it again. These two sentences imply that there is only ONE problem, and you gave your solution. What you MEAN is: you asked me for my recommended solution for what I see as a problem with woke.
Where did I say Catholic schools don't pay attention ? Sigh. Logic did that for you. The ONLY way that a Catholic School is going put far left ideas into their instruction of textbooks is if they're not paying attention, and it's accidental. Or do you think the Catholic church is home to woke?
Do Catholic schools have their own original texts or get them from the same publishers as public schools ?
Every School System vets their own textbooks. Are you really going to argue that Catholic, Jewish, Mormon, and other religious schools aren't going to have their own exacting standards for textbooks...where they're paying VERY close attention to having any lefty ideas in there? Come on. Some things are just obvious, and don't need to be argued for no reason.
So why did you insert it into the argument ? How do the test scores for parochial schools compare to public schools ? That's the relevant comparison.
The latest results of an international exam given to teenagers ranked the USA ninth in reading and 31st in math literacy out of 79 countries and economies. America has a smaller-than-average share of top-performing math students, and scores have essentially been flat for two decades.
One likely reason: U.S. high schools teach math differently than other countries.
Classes here often focus on formulas and procedures rather than teaching students to think creatively about solving complex problems involving all sorts of mathematics, experts said. That makes it harder for students to compete globally, be it on an international exam or in colleges and careers that value sophisticated thinking and data science.
Let’s do it like we did in the 1950s…..When America was great!
You don’t know american you Gen z fool!
Let's teach math problems on police dept demographics & real estate red lining. That creative thinking will close the gap.
Where do these international whiz kids come for college & advanced degrees ?
Whose designs are copied & pirated ?
Have you noticed how US aircraft design, civil & miltary, is copied internationally ?
Thanks….Sounds like the American educational system is doing well enough. You haven’t had first hand experience in over 50 years. When were you last in a public, private or catholic elementary or high school building?
MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 7:55 am
Old foagies (and those with little interest in exploring beyond their limited experiences) have some difficulty appreciating the beneficial parts of various technological tools that enable students to spend much less time on rote memorization and much more time on actually understanding these tools and how to apply them to tougher and tougher problems, with greater comprehension of nuance.
Do students need to still learn multiplication tables for 1-12 ?
The square/sq root of 1-12 ?
Lecture me on human performance in cockpit design.
MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 7:55 am
Old foagies (and those with little interest in exploring beyond their limited experiences) have some difficulty appreciating the beneficial parts of various technological tools that enable students to spend much less time on rote memorization and much more time on actually understanding these tools and how to apply them to tougher and tougher problems, with greater comprehension of nuance.
Do students need to still learn multiplication tables for 1-12 ?
The square/sq root of 1-12 ?
Lecture me on human performance in cockpit design.
Old Man
So what ?
So there is more to teaching math than memorizing times tables Old Socrates
The latest results of an international exam given to teenagers ranked the USA ninth in reading and 31st in math literacy out of 79 countries and economies. America has a smaller-than-average share of top-performing math students, and scores have essentially been flat for two decades.
One likely reason: U.S. high schools teach math differently than other countries.
Classes here often focus on formulas and procedures rather than teaching students to think creatively about solving complex problems involving all sorts of mathematics, experts said. That makes it harder for students to compete globally, be it on an international exam or in colleges and careers that value sophisticated thinking and data science.
Let’s do it like we did in the 1950s…..When America was great!
You don’t know american you Gen z fool!
Let's teach math problems on police dept demographics & real estate red lining. That creative thinking will close the gap.
Where do these international whiz kids come for college & advanced degrees ?
Whose designs are copied & pirated ?
Have you noticed how US aircraft design, civil & miltary, is copied internationally ?
Thanks….Sounds like the American educational system is doing well enough. You haven’t had first hand experience in over 50 years. When were you last in a public, private or catholic elementary or high school building?
A couple months ago. My wife was a career public school teacher, as are many of her friends who we interact with.
Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 8:24 pm
So there is more to teaching math than memorizing times tables Old Socrates
I never argued there wasn't. First you master the basics, then the advanced, applying them to real world technical (not social) problems.
Still trying to figure out how to calculate equity in designing a bridge.
Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 8:24 pm
So there is more to teaching math than memorizing times tables Old Socrates
I never argued there wasn't. First you master the basics, then the advanced, applying them to real world technical (not social) problems.
Still trying to figure out how to calculate equity in designing a bridge.
The latest results of an international exam given to teenagers ranked the USA ninth in reading and 31st in math literacy out of 79 countries and economies. America has a smaller-than-average share of top-performing math students, and scores have essentially been flat for two decades.
One likely reason: U.S. high schools teach math differently than other countries.
Classes here often focus on formulas and procedures rather than teaching students to think creatively about solving complex problems involving all sorts of mathematics, experts said. That makes it harder for students to compete globally, be it on an international exam or in colleges and careers that value sophisticated thinking and data science.
Let’s do it like we did in the 1950s…..When America was great!
You don’t know american you Gen z fool!
Let's teach math problems on police dept demographics & real estate red lining. That creative thinking will close the gap.
Where do these international whiz kids come for college & advanced degrees ?
Whose designs are copied & pirated ?
Have you noticed how US aircraft design, civil & miltary, is copied internationally ?
Thanks….Sounds like the American educational system is doing well enough. You haven’t had first hand experience in over 50 years. When were you last in a public, private or catholic elementary or high school building?
A couple months ago. My wife was a career public school teacher, as are many of her friends who we interact with.
Sitting around gossiping like some old B ain't first hand experience.....
old salt wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 8:16 pm
So why did you insert it into the argument ? How do the test scores for parochial schools compare to public schools ? That's the relevant comparison.
Reading the cite you gave me that you're now telling me that didn't read? Mixed bag.
This is how education is handled in the 21st century.....different disciplines are mixed. So you use stats in Social studies and vice versa. My daughter had a section on the environment that mixed english, french, math, spelling...and they ever wrote a little song. Even discussed how environment affected French and American cultures....all in a "STEM" class. This is how its done, particularly at high-achieving schools. Result? My daughter can do math in english or french, and has tested for fluency at the same level as a French girl her age in France.
Downside, from your perspective...they discussed the concept of carbon credits. I HATE carbon credits, and think that they're idiotic. Yet they were brought up as a good thing in her class. Guess what? Don't care. That's what parenting and/or future education is for. But millions of Americans are losing their minds over what is just not a big deal to me, because I know full well I was taught a whole MESS of things in K-12 that neither me nor my parents agreed with....folks just didn't complain, because we didn't live in clikcbait-outrage culture where there are no longer molehills, and everything is a mountain.
And teachers are now somehow to blame for many of America's ills. It's crazy, if you ask me. And I know you're not asking.
The latest results of an international exam given to teenagers ranked the USA ninth in reading and 31st in math literacy out of 79 countries and economies. America has a smaller-than-average share of top-performing math students, and scores have essentially been flat for two decades.
One likely reason: U.S. high schools teach math differently than other countries.
Classes here often focus on formulas and procedures rather than teaching students to think creatively about solving complex problems involving all sorts of mathematics, experts said. That makes it harder for students to compete globally, be it on an international exam or in colleges and careers that value sophisticated thinking and data science.
Let’s do it like we did in the 1950s…..When America was great!
You don’t know american you Gen z fool!
Let's teach math problems on police dept demographics & real estate red lining. That creative thinking will close the gap.
Where do these international whiz kids come for college & advanced degrees ?
Whose designs are copied & pirated ?
Have you noticed how US aircraft design, civil & miltary, is copied internationally ?
Thanks….Sounds like the American educational system is doing well enough. You haven’t had first hand experience in over 50 years. When were you last in a public, private or catholic elementary or high school building?
A couple months ago. My wife was a career public school teacher, as are many of her friends who we interact with.
Sitting around gossiping like some old B ain't first hand experience.....
We keep in touch. Nobody's bitching. Their classes test scores are good.
The latest results of an international exam given to teenagers ranked the USA ninth in reading and 31st in math literacy out of 79 countries and economies. America has a smaller-than-average share of top-performing math students, and scores have essentially been flat for two decades.
One likely reason: U.S. high schools teach math differently than other countries.
Classes here often focus on formulas and procedures rather than teaching students to think creatively about solving complex problems involving all sorts of mathematics, experts said. That makes it harder for students to compete globally, be it on an international exam or in colleges and careers that value sophisticated thinking and data science.
Let’s do it like we did in the 1950s…..When America was great!
You don’t know american you Gen z fool!
Let's teach math problems on police dept demographics & real estate red lining. That creative thinking will close the gap.
Where do these international whiz kids come for college & advanced degrees ?
Whose designs are copied & pirated ?
Have you noticed how US aircraft design, civil & miltary, is copied internationally ?
Thanks….Sounds like the American educational system is doing well enough. You haven’t had first hand experience in over 50 years. When were you last in a public, private or catholic elementary or high school building?
A couple months ago. My wife was a career public school teacher, as are many of her friends who we interact with.
Sitting around gossiping like some old B ain't first hand experience.....
We keep in touch. Nobody's bitching. Their classes test scores are good.
The latest results of an international exam given to teenagers ranked the USA ninth in reading and 31st in math literacy out of 79 countries and economies. America has a smaller-than-average share of top-performing math students, and scores have essentially been flat for two decades.
One likely reason: U.S. high schools teach math differently than other countries.
Classes here often focus on formulas and procedures rather than teaching students to think creatively about solving complex problems involving all sorts of mathematics, experts said. That makes it harder for students to compete globally, be it on an international exam or in colleges and careers that value sophisticated thinking and data science.
Let’s do it like we did in the 1950s…..When America was great!
You don’t know american you Gen z fool!
Let's teach math problems on police dept demographics & real estate red lining. That creative thinking will close the gap.
Where do these international whiz kids come for college & advanced degrees ?
Whose designs are copied & pirated ?
Have you noticed how US aircraft design, civil & miltary, is copied internationally ?
Thanks….Sounds like the American educational system is doing well enough. You haven’t had first hand experience in over 50 years. When were you last in a public, private or catholic elementary or high school building?
A couple months ago. My wife was a career public school teacher, as are many of her friends who we interact with.
Sitting around gossiping like some old B ain't first hand experience.....
We keep in touch. Nobody's bitching. Their classes test scores are good.
Yes...you are.
I'm defending what the elected officials in FL are doing. You're bitching about that.
Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 8:24 pm
So there is more to teaching math than memorizing times tables Old Socrates
I never argued there wasn't. First you master the basics, then the advanced, applying them to real world technical (not social) problems.
Still trying to figure out how to calculate equity in designing a bridge.
My wife worked at the University of Michigan Poverty Center. Filled with PhDs----and PhD and MS students who were learning to apply math to social problems. Statistics out the wazoo...they live to build and read spreadsheets. And exactitude is EVERYTHING. Have a PhD friend, and I heard her us a phrase so much over the years when complaining about bad science that I made her a "Bad Data" Tshirt for Xmas. Math directly applied to reduce poverty with limited resources.
There are tens of thousands of High School student who are learning math and other STEM fields with the intent of applying it to social problems. And they are motived to learn higher math by this desire to fix social problems.
Heck, I'd argue that your chosen vocation is about applying math to fix social problems.
...there you go again. Where did I say that ? It has not helped. It's a needless distraction.
