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Yeah, you have. You're just too blind to see it.old salt wrote: ↑Mon Jul 15, 2024 1:01 pm There you go again, reading my mind. I said nothing that implied that the shooting was Biden's fault.
This event is forcing him to change his campaign strategy.
The basis of his campaign has been to vilify Trump. Talking head Dem strategists have validated this. Do you disagree with that ?
The basis of Trump's campaign has also been to vilify Biden.
So if you don't believe the shooting was Biden's fault, where's your post telling us that Trump has to change his campaign strategy, too?
Because the Dems actually care, and don't want anyone to get shot, and want to turn the temperature down.
You're acting like this is a bad thing, naturally.
Of course, it's telling that there are ZERO calls from you or your party to tone things down on your side....including you, yourself.
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So what ? They're both vilifying each other, Trump was shot. Biden was not shot.a fan wrote: ↑Mon Jul 15, 2024 1:33 pmYeah, you have. You're just too blind to see it.old salt wrote: ↑Mon Jul 15, 2024 1:01 pm There you go again, reading my mind. I said nothing that implied that the shooting was Biden's fault.
This event is forcing him to change his campaign strategy.
The basis of his campaign has been to vilify Trump. Talking head Dem strategists have validated this. Do you disagree with that ?
The basis of Trump's campaign has also been to vilify Biden.
So if you don't believe the shooting was Biden's fault, where's your post telling us that Trump has to change his campaign strategy, too?
Because the Dems actually care, and don't want anyone to get shot, and want to turn the temperature down.youthathletics wrote: ↑Mon Jul 15, 2024 11:44 am If Biden continues to vilify Trump, it will play right into the hands of his (R) accusers.
Have you heard the news reports that his campaign has pulled down their TV adds. Why are they doing that now ?
You're acting like this is a bad thing, naturally.
Of course, it's telling that there are ZERO calls from you or your party to tone things down on your side....including you, yourself.
Here is why I'm telling you that Biden has to change his campaign strategy.
https://www.newsweek.com/biden-hammer-t ... ed-1924944
Biden's Strategy of Hammering Trump Upended by Assassination Attempt
President Joe Biden has had to backpedal on his campaign strategy targeting Donald Trump as a criminal and a threat to democracy...
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YA, your density is on serious overdrive here. Maybe take a walk or something.a fan wrote: ↑Mon Jul 15, 2024 1:33 pmYeah, you have. You're just too blind to see it.old salt wrote: ↑Mon Jul 15, 2024 1:01 pm There you go again, reading my mind. I said nothing that implied that the shooting was Biden's fault.
This event is forcing him to change his campaign strategy.
The basis of his campaign has been to vilify Trump. Talking head Dem strategists have validated this. Do you disagree with that ?
The basis of Trump's campaign has also been to vilify Biden.
So if you don't believe the shooting was Biden's fault, where's your post telling us that Trump has to change his campaign strategy, too?
Because the Dems actually care, and don't want anyone to get shot, and want to turn the temperature down.youthathletics wrote: ↑Mon Jul 15, 2024 11:44 am If Biden continues to vilify Trump, it will play right into the hands of his (R) accusers.
Have you heard the news reports that his campaign has pulled down their TV adds. Why are they doing that now ?
You're acting like this is a bad thing, naturally.
Of course, it's telling that there are ZERO calls from you or your party to tone things down on your side....including you, yourself.
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You agree that they're both vilifying each other....but only one has to change.old salt wrote: ↑Mon Jul 15, 2024 1:37 pmSo what ? They're both vilifying each other, Trump was shot. Biden was not shot.a fan wrote: ↑Mon Jul 15, 2024 1:33 pmYeah, you have. You're just too blind to see it.old salt wrote: ↑Mon Jul 15, 2024 1:01 pm There you go again, reading my mind. I said nothing that implied that the shooting was Biden's fault.
This event is forcing him to change his campaign strategy.
The basis of his campaign has been to vilify Trump. Talking head Dem strategists have validated this. Do you disagree with that ?
The basis of Trump's campaign has also been to vilify Biden.
So if you don't believe the shooting was Biden's fault, where's your post telling us that Trump has to change his campaign strategy, too?
Because the Dems actually care, and don't want anyone to get shot, and want to turn the temperature down.youthathletics wrote: ↑Mon Jul 15, 2024 11:44 am If Biden continues to vilify Trump, it will play right into the hands of his (R) accusers.
Have you heard the news reports that his campaign has pulled down their TV adds. Why are they doing that now ?
You're acting like this is a bad thing, naturally.
Of course, it's telling that there are ZERO calls from you or your party to tone things down on your side....including you, yourself.
Here is why I'm telling you that Biden has to change his campaign strategy.
https://www.newsweek.com/biden-hammer-t ... ed-1924944
Biden's Strategy of Hammering Trump Upended by Assassination Attempt
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That's my fault....that's OS. I made a mistake in attribution.Seacoaster(1) wrote: ↑Mon Jul 15, 2024 1:40 pmYA, your density is on serious overdrive here. Maybe take a walk or something.a fan wrote: ↑Mon Jul 15, 2024 1:33 pmYeah, you have. You're just too blind to see it.old salt wrote: ↑Mon Jul 15, 2024 1:01 pm There you go again, reading my mind. I said nothing that implied that the shooting was Biden's fault.
This event is forcing him to change his campaign strategy.
The basis of his campaign has been to vilify Trump. Talking head Dem strategists have validated this. Do you disagree with that ?
The basis of Trump's campaign has also been to vilify Biden.
So if you don't believe the shooting was Biden's fault, where's your post telling us that Trump has to change his campaign strategy, too?
Because the Dems actually care, and don't want anyone to get shot, and want to turn the temperature down.youthathletics wrote: ↑Mon Jul 15, 2024 11:44 am If Biden continues to vilify Trump, it will play right into the hands of his (R) accusers.
Have you heard the news reports that his campaign has pulled down their TV adds. Why are they doing that now ?
You're acting like this is a bad thing, naturally.
Of course, it's telling that there are ZERO calls from you or your party to tone things down on your side....including you, yourself.
Apologies to both OS and YA.....I fixed it.
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Orange Moron to announce the VP pick today.
JD Vance: https://twitter.com/acnewsitics/status/ ... 58/photo/1
I'm going with Vivek or Little Marco.
JD Vance: https://twitter.com/acnewsitics/status/ ... 58/photo/1
I'm going with Vivek or Little Marco.
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Here was my advice to Trump to tone it down. He says he's rewriting his RNC speech.a fan wrote: ↑Mon Jul 15, 2024 1:40 pmYou agree that they're both vilifying each other....but only one has to change.old salt wrote: ↑Mon Jul 15, 2024 1:37 pmSo what ? They're both vilifying each other, Trump was shot. Biden was not shot.a fan wrote: ↑Mon Jul 15, 2024 1:33 pmYeah, you have. You're just too blind to see it.old salt wrote: ↑Mon Jul 15, 2024 1:01 pm There you go again, reading my mind. I said nothing that implied that the shooting was Biden's fault.
This event is forcing him to change his campaign strategy.
The basis of his campaign has been to vilify Trump. Talking head Dem strategists have validated this. Do you disagree with that ?
The basis of Trump's campaign has also been to vilify Biden.
So if you don't believe the shooting was Biden's fault, where's your post telling us that Trump has to change his campaign strategy, too?
Because the Dems actually care, and don't want anyone to get shot, and want to turn the temperature down.youthathletics wrote: ↑Mon Jul 15, 2024 11:44 am If Biden continues to vilify Trump, it will play right into the hands of his (R) accusers.
Have you heard the news reports that his campaign has pulled down their TV adds. Why are they doing that now ?
You're acting like this is a bad thing, naturally.
Of course, it's telling that there are ZERO calls from you or your party to tone things down on your side....including you, yourself.
Here is why I'm telling you that Biden has to change his campaign strategy.
https://www.newsweek.com/biden-hammer-t ... ed-1924944
Biden's Strategy of Hammering Trump Upended by Assassination Attempt
If Biden was shot......are you telling me that you don't understand that Biden would tone down the rhetoric in his campaign?
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We'll find out in November who is right.
But literally NO ONE agrees with the 538 forecast. Including Nate Silver (who still owns and operates the old 538 model).
Silver's old 538 model gives Joe a 25% chance. The Economist's forecast also gives Joe a 25% chance.
The poll average in every core swing state has Joe losing currently. Cook Political Report recently moved AZ, GA and NV from toss up to lean GOP. NH and MN are trending into toss up status.
Joe has been behind in the national polling average every day for 9 months straight. -2.7% today; four years ago, Joe was up 8.6%. Since the GOP has an advantage in the electoral college, Joe has to win the national popular vote by 2.5% to win the EC.
Betting markets give Trump a 65% win probability and Joe 18%.
The only reason that 538 has Joe at a coin toss is that 538's model at this point weights the fundamentals more and deeply discounts the current polls. Seems pretty aggressive to me. But as time passes, even 538s model will start moving in Trump's direction if Joe does not poll better.
Seems to me that 538's fundamentals assumptions are pretty lame.
First, the economy is good. Lots of evidence that voters are not feeling good about Bidenomics, regardless of what the GDP and employment numbers are. Second, that incumbency is a big advantage. In today's crabby political environment, incumbency has recently been a hurter rather than a helper. Look at Trump 2020. Look at the Tories in the UK. Out with the bums!
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Boycott stupid. If you ignore the gator troll, eventually he'll just go back under his bridge.
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... any of those is a big mistake.Seacoaster(1) wrote: ↑Mon Jul 15, 2024 1:49 pm Orange Moron to announce the VP pick today.
JD Vance: https://twitter.com/acnewsitics/status/ ... 58/photo/1
I'm going with Vivek or Little Marco.
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... and the polls have been so good in recent years at predicting this far out.ggait wrote: ↑Mon Jul 15, 2024 2:00 pmWe'll find out in November who is right.
But literally NO ONE agrees with the 538 forecast. Including Nate Silver (who still owns and operates the old 538 model).
Silver's old 538 model gives Joe a 25% chance. The Economist's forecast also gives Joe a 25% chance.
The poll average in every core swing state has Joe losing currently. Cook Political Report recently moved AZ, GA and NV from toss up to lean GOP. NH and MN are trending into toss up status.
Joe has been behind in the national polling average every day for 9 months straight. -2.7% today; four years ago, Joe was up 8.6%. Since the GOP has an advantage in the electoral college, Joe has to win the national popular vote by 2.5% to win the EC.
Betting markets give Trump a 65% win probability and Joe 18%.
The only reason that 538 has Joe at a coin toss is that 538's model at this point weights the fundamentals more and deeply discounts the current polls. Seems pretty aggressive to me. But as time passes, even 538s model will start moving in Trump's direction if Joe does not poll better.
Seems to me that 538's fundamentals assumptions are pretty lame.
First, the economy is good. Lots of evidence that voters are not feeling good about Bidenomics, regardless of what the GDP and employment numbers are. Second, that incumbency is a big advantage. In today's crabby political environment, incumbency has recently been a hurter rather than a helper. Look at Trump 2020. Look at the Tories in the UK. Out with the bums!
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He won't go with Vance; too much anti-Orange media baggage. He won't go with Haley or Scott; doesn't think he needs them and is likely not comfortable with them in any case. Vivek and Marco are toadies who, he thinks, give him something. If only Essexfenwick would throw his tinfoil into the ring, no?jhu72 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 15, 2024 2:03 pm... any of those is a big mistake.Seacoaster(1) wrote: ↑Mon Jul 15, 2024 1:49 pm Orange Moron to announce the VP pick today.
JD Vance: https://twitter.com/acnewsitics/status/ ... 58/photo/1
I'm going with Vivek or Little Marco.
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What you THINK you said was: "politicians are getting shot....both sides need to tone it down".
What you ACTUALLY said was "Republicans are getting shot......Biden and the Dems need to tone it down".
If you meant the former, great. Here's your chance to clarify....
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More specious rhetoric from someone with no credibility.a fan wrote: ↑Mon Jul 15, 2024 2:35 pmYou're not giving any advice here, nice try. You're simply asking "can" Trump tone it down. Not one word that he SHOULD turn it down.
What you THINK you said was: "politicians are getting shot....both sides need to tone it down".
What you ACTUALLY said was "Republicans are getting shot......Biden and the Dems need to tone it down".
If you meant the former, great. Here's your chance to clarify....
“I wish you would!”
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... he went with Vance. A true culture warrior that will carry water and talk sh*t about anyone that gets under Orange Duce's skin. Yea, Trump has changed bigtime because he almost ran into a bullet. Vance was my hopped for VP. This is same old, same old. Good choice Donny.Seacoaster(1) wrote: ↑Mon Jul 15, 2024 2:26 pmHe won't go with Vance; too much anti-Orange media baggage. He won't go with Haley or Scott; doesn't think he needs them and is likely not comfortable with them in any case. Vivek and Marco are toadies who, he thinks, give him something. If only Essexfenwick would throw his tinfoil into the ring, no?jhu72 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 15, 2024 2:03 pm... any of those is a big mistake.Seacoaster(1) wrote: ↑Mon Jul 15, 2024 1:49 pm Orange Moron to announce the VP pick today.
JD Vance: https://twitter.com/acnewsitics/status/ ... 58/photo/1
I'm going with Vivek or Little Marco.
I was concerned he might actually pick Halley due to his death bed conversion. Silly me.
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You're right about credentials. Except for the Marine Corps between HS and OSU his resume resembles Obama's.
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Man, mega-MAGA toadying really does work!
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Come on counselor. It isn't exactly like Kamala Harris had excessive talent oozing out of her pores. FTR as the border Czarina did she ever find her way to the southern border? I know she wondered around aimlessly in South America for awhile perhaps looking for some dynamite rancho nuevos.
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