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Posted: **Tue Mar 03, 2020 5:38 pm**

laxphan16 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 3:47 pm
jhu06 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 3:38 pm admin has a strict anti-alumni preference policy. It's against the meritocratic social equity values of the modern Johns Hopkins University to give preference to anyone based on past association with the school. You played here, your wife worked as a nurse saving kids at the hospital, we're not counting that, wouldn't be fair to the princeton educated guy whose great grandfather started a company to profit off union needs during the civil war. Among other qualities the school will seek in a coach are pledges to strictly adhere to the schools committment to sustainability (you best be a paper straw guy instead of a plastic straw guy and reusable grocery bag man), social justice (in the interview they will expect a recruiting plan that includes low income, racial/geographic diversity and a cap on the number of guys named chad), pledge to use inclusive personal pronouns in all forms of communication (this is very important), a plan to work closely with university sportswear partners to ensure the program doesn't wear the same uniform combo twice in a season (and of course that all gear is made of sustainable fair trade materials), ideas on how to foster student academic success that gets more lacrosse players into progressive focused majors and career paths and oh and if you win once in awhile that's ok too.
This post is epic!
This thread absolutely needs more sarcasm!

There might be a lot of truth in that post.

We need someone new who can see the field from a different perspective. I’m thinking a midget.

Posted: **Tue Mar 03, 2020 6:46 pm**

And yet he was close to being dismissed. Good points. If only he could have kept all that talent on LI at home.

To be clear I was being mostly sarcastic

Posted: **Tue Mar 03, 2020 6:54 pm**

Limiting any future coaching search to alumni is dumb. Get the best coach you can, period. Someone who can recruit and coach in the modern age of college lacrosse, not someone bound by nostalgia to a past that can never be replicated. If that's someone who also happens to be an alum, that's fine.

Posted: **Tue Mar 03, 2020 7:14 pm**

WOMBAT, Mod Emeritus wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 5:38 pm
laxphan16 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 3:47 pm
jhu06 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 3:38 pm admin has a strict anti-alumni preference policy. It's against the meritocratic social equity values of the modern Johns Hopkins University to give preference to anyone based on past association with the school. You played here, your wife worked as a nurse saving kids at the hospital, we're not counting that, wouldn't be fair to the princeton educated guy whose great grandfather started a company to profit off union needs during the civil war. Among other qualities the school will seek in a coach are pledges to strictly adhere to the schools committment to sustainability (you best be a paper straw guy instead of a plastic straw guy and reusable grocery bag man), social justice (in the interview they will expect a recruiting plan that includes low income, racial/geographic diversity and a cap on the number of guys named chad), pledge to use inclusive personal pronouns in all forms of communication (this is very important), a plan to work closely with university sportswear partners to ensure the program doesn't wear the same uniform combo twice in a season (and of course that all gear is made of sustainable fair trade materials), ideas on how to foster student academic success that gets more lacrosse players into progressive focused majors and career paths and oh and if you win once in awhile that's ok too.
This post is epic!
This thread absolutely needs more sarcasm!
There might be a lot of truth in that post.

We need someone new who can see the field from a different perspective. I’m thinking a midget.

Hmm...maybe “Mini-Mike” if he doesn’t land that other job he’s running for?

Posted: **Tue Mar 03, 2020 8:41 pm**

towson beaten by lacrosse blue blood umbc which means it's a week before st patricks day and Hopkins doesn't have a win over a team in d1 w/a win on the year.

Posted: **Tue Mar 03, 2020 8:57 pm**

laxphan16 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 3:32 pm Maybe just ask Bloomberg once the whole presidential race thing runs its course. You know "just throw money at the problem" sort of strategy. LOL

One would think $350M would make the program a bit better!

Posted: **Tue Mar 03, 2020 9:10 pm**

jhu06 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 8:41 pm towson beaten by lacrosse blue blood umbc which means it's a week before st patricks day and Hopkins doesn't have a win over a team in d1 w/a win on the year.

st paddys day is on march 17th this year.

Posted: **Tue Mar 03, 2020 9:14 pm**

jhu06 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 8:41 pm towson beaten by lacrosse blue blood umbc which means it's a week before st patricks day and Hopkins doesn't have a win over a team in d1 w/a win on the year.

I think it’s time for Hopkins Lacrosse to move down to Division 3 to mirror the other non competitive sports the school offers

Posted: **Tue Mar 03, 2020 9:37 pm**

Is Seth Tierney paying someone to keep coming here to vouch for him?

Hofstra hasn't made a tournament since 2011. They play in one of the weakest conferences in the country and have made the NCAAs four times in 13 seasons. He's never won a tournament game there. The notion that Danowski didn't fare any better there is false. He had a run in the late 90s/early 2000s when they made the NCAA tournament five times in six years, went 28-3 in their conference, and made two quarterfinals. Dano made four QFs in total at Hofstra—something Tierney has never done. I have nothing against Tierney but the track record, or lack thereof, speaks for itself. If we're looking for a new coach in June, we should be aiming much higher. And younger. And more outside-the-box. That is such a boring, uninspiring choice.

Keeping Petro but getting new assistants is also not going to happen. He would not allow them to throw his assistants/friends under the bus like that while he got to keep his job. Anyone who thinks otherwise does not know anything about how the guy operates.

As far as alums go, Nadelen, Marr, and Raymond are the most intriguing and realistic choices, IMO. But I don't think they'd limit it to alumni. Plenty of good youngish coaches at smaller programs who might jump at the chance to coach at Johns Hopkins: Chemotti, Polley, and Wray immediately come to mind but there are certainly others, and quite possibly names much bigger than those would be interested as well.

On another note, the sandbagging from the Cuse contingent in this thread is rich. You're ranked #1. If you can't beat an unranked 1-3 team without one SSDM and maybe a close defender who hasn't played in weeks and quite frankly didn't look very good even before he got hurt, then you might have a lot of problems. And in case you didn't notice, Hop's best player and only consistent offensive threat is currently playing on one leg. Every team has injuries.

Posted: **Tue Mar 03, 2020 11:00 pm**

HopFan16 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 9:37 pm Hofstra hasn't made a tournament since 2011. They play in one of the weakest conferences in the country and have made the NCAAs four times in 13 seasons. He's never won a tournament game there. The notion that Danowski didn't fare any better there is false. He had a run in the late 90s/early 2000s when they made the NCAA tournament five times in six years, went 28-3 in their conference, and made two quarterfinals. Dano made four QFs in total at Hofstra—something Tierney has never done. I have nothing against Tierney but the track record, or lack thereof, speaks for itself. If we're looking for a new coach in June, we should be aiming much higher. And younger. And more outside-the-box. That is such a boring, uninspiring choice.

All great points. (Though -- small nitpick -- I don't know that I'd call the CAA one of the weakest conferences.) Nothing against Tierney either, but the notion that his level of success at Hofstra has been anywhere near comparable to Danowski's is honestly mystifying to me.

HopFan16 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 9:37 pm Keeping Petro but getting new assistants is also not going to happen. He would not allow them to throw his assistants/friends under the bus like that while he got to keep his job. Anyone who thinks otherwise does not know anything about how the guy operates.

That sounds right to me too. But it's still one of the possible scenarios for how the administration might proceed at the end of this season, i.e., offer Petro an extension conditional on replacing his assistants, with the implicit expectation that he'd turn it down. Obviously it's not something you do unless you're okay with him surprising you and saying yes. But it could be seen as a kind of face-saving compromise in the case where the AD and the big donors agree a change is to be made but there's still some resistance to *firing* Petro outright. All fully idle speculation at this point, needless to say.

Posted: **Wed Mar 04, 2020 1:01 am**

I wonder if the current AD will bail before this decision has to be made.

Working at UA, known for a boys club strippers mentality, isn’t much of a credential. Glad she escaped that mess.

Navy credentials - I buy that of course. Biggest thing there are following regs and respecting command authority.

I expect she will do as told.

I’m telling you - this current situation traces back to 2013.

Egos. Napoleon would be a good example.

Posted: **Wed Mar 04, 2020 1:04 am**

And, in my opinion, no way do the assistants go and Coach stays. I doubt the assistants are much on the radar at all.

What’s the saying? If you shoo t for the King, you better not miss?

Posted: **Wed Mar 04, 2020 6:31 am**

Upon this, one has to remark that men ought either to be well treated or crushed, because they can avenge themselves of lighter injuries, of more serious ones they cannot; therefore the injury that is to be done to a man ought to be of such a kind that one does not stand in fear of revenge.

https://www.gutenberg.org/files/1232/1232-h/1232-h.htm

Posted: **Wed Mar 04, 2020 7:35 am**

Hopkins hired two coaches that were not alums after Zim left. Haus and Sieman. Different schools are different fits for different coaches. To be clear I posted I was being mostly sarcastic in applying the kind of logic some Hopkins posters here use.

What I wrote, I think, is Danowski was under pressure and many thought his time had passed because he should have been able keep more of that LI talent that was winning titles elsewhere home. When did Seth leave Hopkins and what was the record before and after he left? 2006. Tierney was just extended I believe. The game has changed but many seem to think the rule set has not when it comes to choosing programs etc

I can imagine a USNA situation arising where Hopkins wants a new coach but gets rejected by their first few choices. Maybe not but I can imagine it.

Posted: **Wed Mar 04, 2020 9:20 am**

OCanada wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 7:35 am Hopkins hired two coaches that were not alums after Zim left. Haus and Sieman. Different schools are different fits for different coaches. To be clear I posted I was being mostly sarcastic in applying the kind of logic some Hopkins posters here use.

What I wrote, I think, is Danowski was under pressure and many thought his time had passed because he should have been able keep more of that LI talent that was winning titles elsewhere home. When did Seth leave Hopkins and what was the record before and after he left? 2006. Tierney was just extended I believe. The game has changed but many seem to think the rule set has not when it comes to choosing programs etc

I can imagine a USNA situation arising where Hopkins wants a new coach but gets rejected by their first few choices. Maybe not but I can imagine it.

At Duke, Danowski has, to some extent; Guterding and Bruckner come to mind.

But truth be told, Duke has recruited really well from everywhere, and this year, they are decidedly not an LI team, at all. I can only think of Basile and Bonafede as LI players who get any time. I could be wrong as I don't follow the team that much, though I will this week.

I think it's simply an easier sell to get a kid to commit to Duke than Hofstra, if we are being honest.

Posted: **Wed Mar 04, 2020 9:47 am**

OCanada wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 7:35 am When did Seth leave Hopkins and what was the record before and after he left? 2006.

Is that really the argument you want to make? I won't need to remind you that the team won a championship the first year after he left. While Tierney's Hofstra team went 6-8, the Jays won another championship. Then they almost won it again the following year. Even if you want to give Tierney all the credit for recruiting the players who accomplished that (which we know is silly and greatly minimizes Petro's role in that), then what happened to this great recruiting ability at Hofstra? Hofstra is no Hopkins but a good recruiter should still be able to bring in talent there. How many All-Americans on offense has Tierney had since he became head coach there? 2? 3? How many since 2011?

I'm not saying Tierney isn't a good offensive mind or that he wasn't important to those great teams in the early/mid 2000s—obviously he was a key component. But that was also 15 years ago, and his track record as a head coach since then leaves much to be desired. Nadelen, Marr, and Raymond have all done more—and more recently. Raymond took over a Hobart program in 2014 that had two winning seasons in the previous decade—and none since 2008—and got to the NCAA tournament in three years, won two conference championships, and is on his way to his fourth winning season in seven tries. At Hobart! If you think it's hard recruiting to Hofstra, try doing it at Hobart. Take a look at their roster—they've got guys from all over, not just New York. He's doing a great job there.

Posted: **Wed Mar 04, 2020 9:58 am**

Oak St wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 9:14 pm
jhu06 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 8:41 pm towson beaten by lacrosse blue blood umbc which means it's a week before st patricks day and Hopkins doesn't have a win over a team in d1 w/a win on the year.
I think it’s time for Hopkins Lacrosse to move down to Division 3 to mirror the other non competitive sports the school offers

That's not true. Hopkins leads the Learfield Directors Cup for D3 after the Fall. Finished runner up last year.

Posted: **Wed Mar 04, 2020 10:03 am**

nrthcrosslax wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 9:58 am
Oak St wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 9:14 pm
jhu06 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 8:41 pm towson beaten by lacrosse blue blood umbc which means it's a week before st patricks day and Hopkins doesn't have a win over a team in d1 w/a win on the year.
I think it’s time for Hopkins Lacrosse to move down to Division 3 to mirror the other non competitive sports the school offers
That's not true. Hopkins leads the Learfield Directors Cup for D3 after the Fall. Finished runner up last year.

Don't feed the trolls

Posted: **Wed Mar 04, 2020 10:33 am**

wgdsr wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 9:10 pm
jhu06 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 8:41 pm towson beaten by lacrosse blue blood umbc which means it's a week before st patricks day and Hopkins doesn't have a win over a team in d1 w/a win on the year.
st paddys day is on march 17th this year.

-My celebration of st patricks day always starts early if you can't tell from some of my posts. so should yours. In fact mine might've started during the first quarter of loyola.
-Mini Mike knew the me too stuff was coming and he couldn't handle it. Now he'll just be major donor to hopkins mike. I'm surprised we still have soda on campus, plastic, columbus day, meat, a requirement that 10% of tuition go to social justice equity neighborhood projects, student groups that support the uighurs/hong kong, rooms where men are >50% of people, and gender neutral pronouns aren't required on all university communications.
-When some of you say that this program gets too much scrutiny just remember this weeks broadcast will introduce Petro+congratulate him on all his accolades as a player and a coach most of which end at 2008 and there will be nothing on why such a great defensive mind has struggled for years to recreate the magic he had on the field as a coach. You want to see a state run propaganda machine devoid of any critical analysis check out coverage of a struggling lacrosse player/program/coach. They also need to bring back the live mics in the huddles. that was great. feed the fan.
-Nadelen 0-5, some pitch he's making for this job.
-Totally ready for us to beat syracuse, win a few games against auto bid conferences, maybe whip a few of the b1g smurfs and then end up in our usual bracketology in april needing a prayer and the terps to do their annual meltdown. Or we could just be beaten into submission and rename this forum "Hopkins coaching search 2020".

Posted: **Wed Mar 04, 2020 12:53 pm**

jhu06 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 3:38 pm admin has a strict anti-alumni preference policy. It's against the meritocratic social equity values of the modern Johns Hopkins University to give preference to anyone based on past association with the school. You played here, your wife worked as a nurse saving kids at the hospital, we're not counting that, wouldn't be fair to the princeton educated guy whose great grandfather started a company to profit off union needs during the civil war. Among other qualities the school will seek in a coach are pledges to strictly adhere to the schools committment to sustainability (you best be a paper straw guy instead of a plastic straw guy and reusable grocery bag man), social justice (in the interview they will expect a recruiting plan that includes low income, racial/geographic diversity and a cap on the number of guys named chad), pledge to use inclusive personal pronouns in all forms of communication (this is very important), a plan to work closely with university sportswear partners to ensure the program doesn't wear the same uniform combo twice in a season (and of course that all gear is made of sustainable fair trade materials), ideas on how to foster student academic success that gets more lacrosse players into progressive focused majors and career paths and oh and if you win once in awhile that's ok too.

I think this is awesome but I'm not sure you are that far from the truth. Though I am sort of joking. But, since 2016 (right about when the school moved away from legacies), there have been 8 openings for head coaching positions for Hopkins Sports (mens and womens basketball, mens and women's swimming(combo coach), women's soccer, field hockey, football, water polo and volleyball).

There were obvious extenuating circumstances on filling one of those positions - Margraff with football - alumni hire. But, for the other sports only 1 was filled by a Hopkins grad (swimming) and another one was filled by someone with a connection to Hopkins (volleyball HC coming back after leaving for several years.) Now, I have no idea who could have applied for the job but it does make it interesting.

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