Translation: "You damned antivaxxers, gaggle of morons! Stop with your bullshirt and at least put on a god damned face mask, and stop hitting the brakes for the entire world! Yes, you antivaxxers, you are a moron! Put on a face mask!"
Sweet! There's only that tiny little nagging detail that the infection rate, hospitalization rate and death rate for unvaccinated is way higher than vaccinated.
So we kill a lot more people getting to that natural immunity... Let 'er rip!
Sweet! There's only that tiny little nagging detail that the infection rate, hospitalization rate and death rate for unvaccinated is way higher than vaccinated.
So we kill a lot more people getting to that natural immunity... Let 'er rip!
Natural consequence of the fact that getting immunized is FAR less risky than getting the disease. And proven empirically over and over.
And those souls who are elderly or have weakened immune systems pay the price of having unvaccinated people around them who are more likely to harbor or transmit any disease.
In my Twitter feed this morning, mention was made of a case of schoolchildren bring home COVID very recently, and both Mom and Grandma (vaccinated) die. Mom had high risk factors, and Grandma very elderly.
vaccines didn't really help after infection for case rates and hospitalization. and by the time delta rolled around, infection immunity protection was much greater for both cases and hospitalizations than just vaxx alone. more similar to the israel data once you get 4,5,6 months out on the vaxx.
The study examined four categories of people — unvaccinated and vaccinated who survived a previous COVID-19 infection, and unvaccinated and vaccinated who had never been infected — in California and New York between May and November 2021. The highest case rates were among those who had neither been vaccinated or previously infected. The most protection against infection and hospitalization was in those who had both been vaccinated and survived an earlier bout with the virus.
Unvaccinated, no prior infection, have highest hospitalization and deaths.
Vaccinated (2 shots) much better than unvaccinated.
But prior infection (survived) even better than 2 shots.
2 shots plus prior infection much better than prior infection.
But they didn't rank vaccinated and boosted...which apparently dramatically reduces hospitalization and deaths, as does 2 shots plus prior infection.
all versus Delta...and before boosters...
Seems pretty obvious that 2 shots plus booster are best bet under one's control...and if prior survived infection then all the more protected.
Such a nonsense story. You realize you have to live through one round of delta infection to achieve this status - MAYBE. A point at which you have no natural immunity, no vaccine immunity. Then if you are lucky statistics works for you, you get a degree of immunity that is stronger than the average for vaccines. But not every natural immunity cases wins the lottery, sometimes you get less immunity than the average vaccine immunity.
Such a nonsense story. You realize you have to live through one round of delta infection to achieve this status - MAYBE. A point at which you have no natural immunity, no vaccine immunity. Then if you are lucky statistics works for you, you get a degree of immunity that is stronger than the average for vaccines. But not every natural immunity cases wins the lottery, sometimes you get less immunity than the average vaccine immunity.
Such a nonsense story. You realize you have to live through one round of delta infection to achieve this status - MAYBE. A point at which you have no natural immunity, no vaccine immunity. Then if you are lucky statistics works for you, you get a degree of immunity that is stronger than the average for vaccines. But not every natural immunity cases wins the lottery, sometimes you get less immunity than the average vaccine immunity.
Get vaccinated!
isn't there an average for infection immunity? are there large enough studies out there that help stratify the variance and distribution of each? there may be, asking.
over the course of the study (including several variants), the same % number of previously infected... vaxxed and unvaxxed... made the hospital.
i think everybody here understands that if you actually haven't gotten it yet, there's real risk to survive. and other things besides just being a case or a hospitalization. should they not be studying it? maybe you mean the story should have been emphasizing this more?
The study examined four categories of people — unvaccinated and vaccinated who survived a previous COVID-19 infection, and unvaccinated and vaccinated who had never been infected — in California and New York between May and November 2021. The highest case rates were among those who had neither been vaccinated or previously infected. The most protection against infection and hospitalization was in those who had both been vaccinated and survived an earlier bout with the virus.
Unvaccinated, no prior infection, have highest hospitalization and deaths.
Vaccinated (2 shots) much better than unvaccinated.
But prior infection (survived) even better than 2 shots.
2 shots plus prior infection much better than prior infection.
But they didn't rank vaccinated and boosted...which apparently dramatically reduces hospitalization and deaths, as does 2 shots plus prior infection.
all versus Delta...and before boosters...
Seems pretty obvious that 2 shots plus booster are best bet under one's control...and if prior survived infection then all the more protected.
Worst bet is to stay unvaccinated.
My question is what are the implications of "long covid"? Is this phenomenon limited to immediate period or a persistent complication of the circulatory system? In that case, I'll pass on "natural immunity" as it may come at a staggering price. But hey, to each his own.
The study examined four categories of people — unvaccinated and vaccinated who survived a previous COVID-19 infection, and unvaccinated and vaccinated who had never been infected — in California and New York between May and November 2021. The highest case rates were among those who had neither been vaccinated or previously infected. The most protection against infection and hospitalization was in those who had both been vaccinated and survived an earlier bout with the virus.
Unvaccinated, no prior infection, have highest hospitalization and deaths.
Vaccinated (2 shots) much better than unvaccinated.
But prior infection (survived) even better than 2 shots.
2 shots plus prior infection much better than prior infection.
But they didn't rank vaccinated and boosted...which apparently dramatically reduces hospitalization and deaths, as does 2 shots plus prior infection.
all versus Delta...and before boosters...
Seems pretty obvious that 2 shots plus booster are best bet under one's control...and if prior survived infection then all the more protected.
Worst bet is to stay unvaccinated.
My question is what are the implications of "long covid"? Is this phenomenon limited to immediate period or a persistent complication of the circulatory system? In that case, I'll pass on "natural immunity" as it may come at a staggering price. But hey, to each his own.
Absolutely...don't go looking to get infected, period. Never know what long term effects there are and the short term aren't guaranteed to be piece of cake either.
It's simply a bit of good news for those of us who, despite being boosted and careful almost all of the time, contracted (likely) Omicron anyway.
Such a nonsense story. You realize you have to live through one round of delta infection to achieve this status - MAYBE. A point at which you have no natural immunity, no vaccine immunity. Then if you are lucky statistics works for you, you get a degree of immunity that is stronger than the average for vaccines. But not every natural immunity cases wins the lottery, sometimes you get less immunity than the average vaccine immunity.
Get vaccinated!
isn't there an average for infection immunity? are there large enough studies out there that help stratify the variance and distribution of each? there may be, asking. -- none I am aware of. It is also not clear (to me) the distribution form / type for the two is even the same
over the course of the study (including several variants), the same % number of previously infected... vaxxed and unvaxxed... made the hospital.
i think everybody here understands that if you actually haven't gotten it yet, there's real risk to survive. and other things besides just being a case or a hospitalization. should they not be studying it? maybe you mean the story should have been emphasizing this more? -- certainly difference between long haul and not where vaccination seems to improve the situation
You have two distributions you are trying to compare. It is not clear they are of the same form / type. The width of these distributions matters, it is not just a question of average, median (peak may matter more). I think (this is just guess) more time has been spent in characterizing / studying the various vaccines than the natural immune response. Before someone turns this into a conspiracy theory, this is to be expected as like it or not the medical community is going to study what has been decided and agreed to by the community as the more important questions to be answered.
Bart wrote: ↑Fri Jan 14, 2022 7:51 am
Did not know where to put this so I am putting this here. This is really, really interesting,
authors did a longitudinal study in active military looking at the relationship between contracting the EB-virus and ultimately being diagnosed with MS. Lots of iffs, acknowledged by the author, but certainly is a jumping off point for further investigation.
The above is a commentary and not the actual article as I could not get the article up as my subscription is on another computer.
If this is tru, a EB-vaccine might just put clamps on MS. That would be cool.
I'm sure on cue there will be the......mouth breathers wouldn't take the vaccination comments.
... I think I put the original article in the Healthcare thread. EB virus is associated / (triggers ?) something like a half dozen autoimmune diseases. Given this new MS research result, I suspect researchers are going to start looking at an EB vaccine seriously. If you could eradicate it you would put a number of diseases out of business perhaps.
