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Posted: **Tue Jan 23, 2024 5:31 pm**

dislaxxic wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2024 12:44 pm
old salt wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2024 9:26 amHave you seen the bill that Biden & the Senate agree on ? Please share the details in the bill with us.
Has the Senate debated the bill yet ? Voted on it yet ? Sent it to the House for compromise yet ?
Here's some current news on the issue:

Daily Immigration News Clips – January 22, 2024

Most reporting i am seeing is saying that there has been real compromise on issues in the Senate, issues like higher bars for asylum, expedited removal authority and limits on parole, among others.

The fact that Trump has his hand up Mike Johnson's skirts is troubling...it's all about election optics to that maroon...

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Thanks dis. I'll wade through those clips & see what I can ferret out, but it's probably an exercise in frustration until there is actually a compromise bill that will pass both House & Senate & Biden will sign.

House (R)'s are wary of getting a massive bill dumped on them with a short fuzed deadline that does not afford their staff & lawyers to wade through the bill to see what's actually in it. What appears to be reform could just be eyewash, depending on enforcement requirements that bind the Exec Branch & what sneak circuits are written that allow an Open Borders Admin to circumvent the laws, like universal paroles for large categories instead of individuals, or catch & release without detention before adjudication which turn CBP/ICE/DHS into an open borders concierge resettlement service.

With the urgency for Ukraine & Israel military aid, the House(R)'s finally have some leverage. HR 2, & now the bi-partisan Dignity Act, are not extreme. They include more work permits, more green card residency, & E-verify, while closing the loopholes in the asylum laws & process which can lead to stopping catch & release. while resuming deportations again. That should reduce the pull factor, allowing the border to actually be secured.

Posted: **Tue Jan 23, 2024 5:48 pm**

I’ve never known a legislation vote to be predicated on “can a future administration that strongly disagrees with law arbitrage or violate this ever possibly?” As a threshold for vote for such.

I guess there’s a new standard on this. Until there isn’t again…

Posted: **Tue Jan 23, 2024 5:54 pm**

...that's why the hidden loopholes need to be closed before the bill is brought to an 11:59 pm pass or die deadline.

Posted: **Tue Jan 23, 2024 6:27 pm**

As if this is new or different. This is SOP for so long they know how to handle it.

Just complaining and setting up without trying.

Posted: **Tue Jan 23, 2024 6:41 pm**

We'll see. The House (R)'s finally have some leverage & a coherent, workable plan to offer.

Posted: **Tue Jan 23, 2024 7:10 pm**

old salt wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2024 6:41 pm We'll see. The House (R)'s finally have some leverage & a coherent, workable plan to offer.

Really?

Posted: **Tue Jan 23, 2024 7:36 pm**

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2024 7:10 pm
old salt wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2024 6:41 pm We'll see. The House (R)'s finally have some leverage & a coherent, workable plan to offer.
Really?

Did you bother to read my link to the bipartisan Dignity Bill ?

Posted: **Tue Jan 23, 2024 8:32 pm**

old salt wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2024 7:36 pm
MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2024 7:10 pm
old salt wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2024 6:41 pm We'll see. The House (R)'s finally have some leverage & a coherent, workable plan to offer.
Really?
Did you bother to read my link to the bipartisan Dignity Bill ?

Sorry, I hadn’t.

Now have.

How many GOP votes in the House? Any no’s?

How many Dems ?

I see some discussion back in August but was this ever passed by The GOP House?

Posted: **Wed Jan 24, 2024 5:20 am**

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2024 8:32 pm
old salt wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2024 7:36 pm
MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2024 7:10 pm
old salt wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2024 6:41 pm We'll see. The House (R)'s finally have some leverage & a coherent, workable plan to offer.
Really?
Did you bother to read my link to the bipartisan Dignity Bill ?
Sorry, I hadn’t. Now have. How many GOP votes in the House? Any no’s? How many Dems ?
I see some discussion back in August but was this ever passed by The GOP House?

30 cosponsors. Has not yet been brought to a vote in the House. Supplements & aligns with HR 2, which has passed.
https://www.foxnews.com/video/6345080275112

Posted: **Wed Jan 24, 2024 7:28 am**

This is where the wisdom of Nancy Pelosi comes into play. You have to vote on the bill so you can find out what is in the bill. That logic makes perfectly good sense if you don't think about it too much.

Often times our politicians don't appear to have ever read the legislation they vote on. Blind obedience at its finest.

Posted: **Wed Jan 24, 2024 7:47 am**

HR-2 has been described as "dead in the water" in the Senate, which tells you that, yeah, it's pretty extreme. The Dignity Act contains "amnesty", to we'll see how well that goes with the conservatives that tanked comprehensive immigration reform the last time this got this far. Many say that the main reason similar attempts at CIR have not been brought up these last buncha years is the all-out opposition by the GOP to the notion of amnesty in ANY immigration bill. The D's, BIden included, have been genuinely negotiating the bill in the Senate, and several (at least) R Senators, including Lankford and Graham have "read the bill" and have had significant input into strengthening enforcement, removal and parole, among other things.

With all that said, reporting is coming out that Donald Trump is exhorting Mike Johnson to delay the passage of anything in the House until after the election, when he THINKS he'll be in the Oval Office. It is much more likely he'll be in an Oval Cell somewhere where he belongs.

Turn on Faux News any time of the day. If it's not a commercial, which have gotten up to around 4 minutes a pop now...and you'll hear nothing but bleating about the border. Do republics want this "existential crisis" to just go on and on, until they gain power? They're just not serious about it and clearly want to keep Faux News bimbettes flapping their gums about the issue...

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Posted: **Wed Jan 24, 2024 9:24 am**

dislaxxic wrote: ↑Wed Jan 24, 2024 7:47 am HR-2 has been described as "dead in the water" in the Senate, which tells you that, yeah, it's pretty extreme. The Dignity Act contains "amnesty", to we'll see how well that goes with the conservatives that tanked comprehensive immigration reform the last time this got this far. Many say that the main reason similar attempts at CIR have not been brought up these last buncha years is the all-out opposition by the GOP to the notion of amnesty in ANY immigration bill. The D's, BIden included, have been genuinely negotiating the bill in the Senate, and several (at least) R Senators, including Lankford and Graham have "read the bill" and have had significant input into strengthening enforcement, removal and parole, among other things.

With all that said, reporting is coming out that Donald Trump is exhorting Mike Johnson to delay the passage of anything in the House until after the election, when he THINKS he'll be in the Oval Office. It is much more likely he'll be in an Oval Cell somewhere where he belongs.

Turn on Faux News any time of the day. If it's not a commercial, which have gotten up to around 4 minutes a pop now...and you'll hear nothing but bleating about the border. Do republics want this "existential crisis" to just go on and on, until they gain power? They're just not serious about it and clearly want to keep Faux News bimbettes flapping their gums about the issue...

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Not to be redundant but why wasn't the border issue addressed 40 years ago when Reagan granted amnesty to 38 million people?? That is what the deal was. The logic must be if you ignore it long enough the problem will simply go away like magic.

Posted: **Wed Jan 24, 2024 9:48 am**

Well, Uncle Redundancy, it’s been explained to you so many times that people have just given up trying. Since you live in a such a WhatAbout World, you’ll be much more comfortable wallowing around in wisecracks and chortles about FLP’s, you know, like much of DJT’s republic party today.

To paraphrase Han Solo: “Laugh it up, Hairball!”

Have a nice day…

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Posted: **Wed Jan 24, 2024 9:55 am**

old salt wrote: ↑Wed Jan 24, 2024 5:20 am
MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2024 8:32 pm
old salt wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2024 7:36 pm
MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2024 7:10 pm
old salt wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2024 6:41 pm We'll see. The House (R)'s finally have some leverage & a coherent, workable plan to offer.
Really?
Did you bother to read my link to the bipartisan Dignity Bill ?
Sorry, I hadn’t. Now have. How many GOP votes in the House? Any no’s? How many Dems ?
I see some discussion back in August but was this ever passed by The GOP House?
30 cosponsors. Has not yet been brought to a vote in the House. Supplements & aligns with HR 2, which has passed.
https://www.foxnews.com/video/6345080275112

Yup, because it doesn’t have the support of the hardliners, right?
Can’t even pass the Hastert test, right?

Does Johnson support it?
Oops, I should have asked, does Trump support it?

Let me ask you a substantive question. What does this include that the Senate bill does not which will get the Republican House hardliners to get in line?

Posted: **Wed Jan 24, 2024 11:58 am**

dislaxxic wrote: ↑Wed Jan 24, 2024 9:48 am Well, Uncle Redundancy, it’s been explained to you so many times that people have just given up trying. Since you live in a such a WhatAbout World, you’ll be much more comfortable wallowing around in wisecracks and chortles about FLP’s, you know, like much of DJT’s republic party today.

To paraphrase Han Solo: “Laugh it up, Hairball!”

Have a nice day…

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Unacceptable reply, I expect better than you than dodging a simple question. Since when did you go all Republican on me?

Nobody has explained anything to me. I'll refrain from saying it again in the form of a question.
The border should have been fixed 40 years ago which was part 2 of the amnesty deal that Reagan made.
FTR I've known for a very long time what the company line is when it comes to this matter Mr Dis. I also am well of aware of the difference between an explanation and a lecture. You sir are a master lecturer. I just skipped your class back in the day.

Posted: **Wed Jan 24, 2024 2:55 pm**

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 24, 2024 9:55 am
old salt wrote: ↑Wed Jan 24, 2024 5:20 am
MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2024 8:32 pm
old salt wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2024 7:36 pm
MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2024 7:10 pm
old salt wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2024 6:41 pm We'll see. The House (R)'s finally have some leverage & a coherent, workable plan to offer.
Really?
Did you bother to read my link to the bipartisan Dignity Bill ?
Sorry, I hadn’t. Now have. How many GOP votes in the House? Any no’s? How many Dems ?
I see some discussion back in August but was this ever passed by The GOP House?
30 cosponsors. Has not yet been brought to a vote in the House. Supplements & aligns with HR 2, which has passed.
https://www.foxnews.com/video/6345080275112
Yup, because it doesn’t have the support of the hardliners, right?
Can’t even pass the Hastert test, right?

Does Johnson support it?
Oops, I should have asked, does Trump support it?

Let me ask you a substantive question. What does this include that the Senate bill does not which will get the Republican House hardliners to get in line?

They'll kill it. Don't want to get rid of the Campaign issue. And don't want a Biden win.

Sad that these two women aren't running their parties. ACTUALLY wanting to fix stuff....and understanding what we've been doing for 40 years doesn't even rise to the level of stupid. These are the legislators that the nutjobs vote out the minute they get the chance.

Love watching the FoxNewsIdiot trying to throw stones. He doesn't want to lose outrage clicks over "the open border".

Posted: **Wed Jan 24, 2024 3:19 pm**

cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Wed Jan 24, 2024 7:28 am This is where the wisdom of Nancy Pelosi comes into play. You have to vote on the bill so you can find out what is in the bill. That logic makes perfectly good sense if you don't think about it too much. Often times our politicians don't appear to have ever read the legislation they vote on. Blind obedience at its finest.

The laws are half written by lobbyists and junior staffers that are 26-28yrs old. They’re just told “get to here” and sponsored legislation is often not read by the sponsors.

Posted: **Wed Jan 24, 2024 5:25 pm**

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 24, 2024 9:55 am
old salt wrote: ↑Wed Jan 24, 2024 5:20 am
MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2024 8:32 pm
old salt wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2024 7:36 pm
MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2024 7:10 pm
old salt wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2024 6:41 pm We'll see. The House (R)'s finally have some leverage & a coherent, workable plan to offer.
Really?
Did you bother to read my link to the bipartisan Dignity Bill ?
Sorry, I hadn’t. Now have. How many GOP votes in the House? Any no’s? How many Dems ?
I see some discussion back in August but was this ever passed by The GOP House?
30 cosponsors. Has not yet been brought to a vote in the House. Supplements & aligns with HR 2, which has passed.
https://www.foxnews.com/video/6345080275112
Yup, because it doesn’t have the support of the hardliners, right?
Can’t even pass the Hastert test, right?

Does Johnson support it?
Oops, I should have asked, does Trump support it?

Let me ask you a substantive question. What does this include that the Senate bill does not which will get the Republican House hardliners to get in line?

Who knows what the Senate is doing. They're still negotiating & not putting anything out.

If the Senate & Biden were to accept the Dignity Act, it could pass the House on a bi-partisan vote, without the votes from either fringe, just like the last CR passed. If Biden & the Senate support it, public pressure would force Johnson to bring it to a vote.

Posted: **Wed Jan 24, 2024 5:46 pm**

old salt wrote: ↑Wed Jan 24, 2024 5:25 pm
MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 24, 2024 9:55 am
old salt wrote: ↑Wed Jan 24, 2024 5:20 am
MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2024 8:32 pm
old salt wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2024 7:36 pm
MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2024 7:10 pm
old salt wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2024 6:41 pm We'll see. The House (R)'s finally have some leverage & a coherent, workable plan to offer.
Really?
Did you bother to read my link to the bipartisan Dignity Bill ?
Sorry, I hadn’t. Now have. How many GOP votes in the House? Any no’s? How many Dems ?
I see some discussion back in August but was this ever passed by The GOP House?
30 cosponsors. Has not yet been brought to a vote in the House. Supplements & aligns with HR 2, which has passed.
https://www.foxnews.com/video/6345080275112
Yup, because it doesn’t have the support of the hardliners, right?
Can’t even pass the Hastert test, right?

Does Johnson support it?
Oops, I should have asked, does Trump support it?

Let me ask you a substantive question. What does this include that the Senate bill does not which will get the Republican House hardliners to get in line?
Who knows what the Senate is doing. They're still negotiating & not putting anything out.

If the Senate & Biden were to accept the Dignity Act, it could pass the House on a bi-partisan vote, without the votes from either fringe, just like the last CR passed. If Biden & the Senate support it, public pressure would force Johnson to bring it to a vote.

Except for that motion to vacate the chair option which requires only ONE vote. Putting legislation on the floor with largely Democratic votes is what got McCarthy canned.

Speaker is already on the record that H.R. 2 is the only path for him.

Posted: **Wed Jan 24, 2024 6:26 pm**

Kismet wrote: ↑Wed Jan 24, 2024 5:46 pm
old salt wrote: ↑Wed Jan 24, 2024 5:25 pm
MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 24, 2024 9:55 am
old salt wrote: ↑Wed Jan 24, 2024 5:20 am
MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2024 8:32 pm
old salt wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2024 7:36 pm
MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2024 7:10 pm
old salt wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2024 6:41 pm We'll see. The House (R)'s finally have some leverage & a coherent, workable plan to offer.
Really?
Did you bother to read my link to the bipartisan Dignity Bill ?
Sorry, I hadn’t. Now have. How many GOP votes in the House? Any no’s? How many Dems ?
I see some discussion back in August but was this ever passed by The GOP House?
30 cosponsors. Has not yet been brought to a vote in the House. Supplements & aligns with HR 2, which has passed.
https://www.foxnews.com/video/6345080275112
Yup, because it doesn’t have the support of the hardliners, right?
Can’t even pass the Hastert test, right?

Does Johnson support it?
Oops, I should have asked, does Trump support it?

Let me ask you a substantive question. What does this include that the Senate bill does not which will get the Republican House hardliners to get in line?
Who knows what the Senate is doing. They're still negotiating & not putting anything out.

If the Senate & Biden were to accept the Dignity Act, it could pass the House on a bi-partisan vote, without the votes from either fringe, just like the last CR passed. If Biden & the Senate support it, public pressure would force Johnson to bring it to a vote.
Except for that motion to vacate the chair option which requires only ONE vote. Putting legislation on the floor with largely Democratic votes is what got McCarthy canned.

Speaker is already on the record that H.R. 2 is the only path for him.

If the Dignity Act includes everything that is in HR 2 (as it's introducing (R) sponsor claims), Johnson can say it's a vote to pass HR 2.

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