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Ruffled_Feathers wrote: ↑Tue Jun 13, 2023 10:22 am Would certainly be happy to have him back (again) but I don't know how much I love the playing time logjam and locker room space further returnees and transfers starts to impose.

My counts might not be quite right but you had at most 14 leaving due to graduation in the Seniors + Grad Students listed on the roster and it sounds like you've already got 4 or 5 of those folks set to return 2 of which were already starters at positions that don't have a rotation (not the rope unit) so now we're talking like the roster shrinks by ~9.

Recruiting Class coming in is 17 and 3 transfers have so far been added. So you're +20 for a net of like +11... last years roster was 49 so you're talking a roster of 60 as things are right now. Might have to cull a few names which doesn't seem like a fun task.

Ruffled_Feathers wrote: ↑Tue Jun 13, 2023 10:22 am Would certainly be happy to have him back (again) but I don't know how much I love the playing time logjam and locker room space further returnees and transfers starts to impose.

My counts might not be quite right but you had at most 14 leaving due to graduation in the Seniors + Grad Students listed on the roster and it sounds like you've already got 4 or 5 of those folks set to return 2 of which were already starters at positions that don't have a rotation (not the rope unit) so now we're talking like the roster shrinks by ~9.

Recruiting Class coming in is 17 and 3 transfers have so far been added. So you're +20 for a net of like +11... last years roster was 49 so you're talking a roster of 60 as things are right now. Might have to cull a few names which doesn't seem like a fun task.

HopFan16 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 13, 2023 9:56 am

coda wrote: ↑Tue Jun 13, 2023 9:53 am

HopFan16 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 13, 2023 9:46 am

coda wrote: ↑Tue Jun 13, 2023 9:39 am

houndace1 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 13, 2023 7:40 am How did Chauvette switch his commitment if he is currently a HS senior? Wouldn’t he have had to back out of his NLI to Yale that he assumedly signed in the fall of 2022v

No NLI for Ivies. That said this is very unusual and is sure to ruffle some feathers. Decommits are part of the game, but doing it after you graduate your senior year is not good.

Shay has poached his fair share of Hop commits. He's a big boy, he'll be fine

I will bet he is not happy about this. The timing is the big issue. There is nothing you can do about this. I doubt Posner is happy about this either.

Posner wants what's best for his players but also who gives a sh*t

Ruffled_Feathers wrote: ↑Tue Jun 13, 2023 10:04 am

HopFan16 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 13, 2023 10:02 am Presuming Degnon is not granted a medical waiver for the '19 season in which he only appeared in 3 games, then the biggest hole obviously will be lefty attack, but now there are about four solid options to fill it

is this info that you have heard he is trying to do so or just musing that he potentially could have?

HopFan16 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 13, 2023 10:40 am

Ruffled_Feathers wrote: ↑Tue Jun 13, 2023 10:22 am Would certainly be happy to have him back (again) but I don't know how much I love the playing time logjam and locker room space further returnees and transfers starts to impose.

My counts might not be quite right but you had at most 14 leaving due to graduation in the Seniors + Grad Students listed on the roster and it sounds like you've already got 4 or 5 of those folks set to return 2 of which were already starters at positions that don't have a rotation (not the rope unit) so now we're talking like the roster shrinks by ~9.

Recruiting Class coming in is 17 and 3 transfers have so far been added. So you're +20 for a net of like +11... last years roster was 49 so you're talking a roster of 60 as things are right now. Might have to cull a few names which doesn't seem like a fun task.

Roster was at 49 as of the end of the season. By my count we lose 11: Mazzone, Hawley, Degnon (TBD I guess), Caracciolo, Versfeld, Glassmeyer, Marcille, Handsor, Krampf, Narewski, Ruddy. That brings us to 38. Add the 20 newcomers (17 freshmen + 3 transfers) and you're at 58. Chris Jast reported that Gelinas may redshirt and if that's the case he probably won't be the only one.

I think they just roll with the bigger boat for a year because after that, the numbers will drop naturally due to the end of the extra Covid year and some other factors. The '24 recruiting class is also smaller, with 11 guys. Some very rough back-of-napkin math says we should be back at around 50-52 for the 2025 season and then things levelize from there. So yeah it'll be a full locker room this upcoming season but don't think that's longterm.

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 13, 2023 12:27 pm

HopFan16 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 13, 2023 10:40 am

Ruffled_Feathers wrote: ↑Tue Jun 13, 2023 10:22 am Would certainly be happy to have him back (again) but I don't know how much I love the playing time logjam and locker room space further returnees and transfers starts to impose.

My counts might not be quite right but you had at most 14 leaving due to graduation in the Seniors + Grad Students listed on the roster and it sounds like you've already got 4 or 5 of those folks set to return 2 of which were already starters at positions that don't have a rotation (not the rope unit) so now we're talking like the roster shrinks by ~9.

Recruiting Class coming in is 17 and 3 transfers have so far been added. So you're +20 for a net of like +11... last years roster was 49 so you're talking a roster of 60 as things are right now. Might have to cull a few names which doesn't seem like a fun task.

Roster was at 49 as of the end of the season. By my count we lose 11: Mazzone, Hawley, Degnon (TBD I guess), Caracciolo, Versfeld, Glassmeyer, Marcille, Handsor, Krampf, Narewski, Ruddy. That brings us to 38. Add the 20 newcomers (17 freshmen + 3 transfers) and you're at 58. Chris Jast reported that Gelinas may redshirt and if that's the case he probably won't be the only one.

I think they just roll with the bigger boat for a year because after that, the numbers will drop naturally due to the end of the extra Covid year and some other factors. The '24 recruiting class is also smaller, with 11 guys. Some very rough back-of-napkin math says we should be back at around 50-52 for the 2025 season and then things levelize from there. So yeah it'll be a full locker room this upcoming season but don't think that's longterm.

20...man, that rivals those Syracuse years of over recruitment.
I dunno, gotta think not everyone sticks through fall.

I wonder if the AD is cool with so many...or does Milliman get some pressure to cut?

Agreed with the challenge being the Covid effect, but 20 inbound...

nyjay wrote: ↑Tue Jun 13, 2023 8:49 am

NOVALax2015 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 13, 2023 7:48 am

wgdsr wrote: ↑Tue Jun 13, 2023 6:30 am "the reason they didn’t make it to memorial day was they had the champ early"
-- hopkins fans getting a little excited (seeping into creatively revisionist) over their prospects for '24. and who can blame them? it's been a minute.

Last year was a great year for the jays, especially when you consider expectations based on 2022. Our expectations should be very high now that we landed a critical piece between the pipes (and stole a prize from Yale). Excited? Hell yeah!

Another data point is that - as far as I can tell - Hop doesn't have a single out-going player in the portal. Would seem to be a sign that the program has turned a massive corner culturally.

Ruffled_Feathers wrote: ↑Tue Jun 13, 2023 6:02 pm These things just really have added up in a nickle and dime fashion though. We haven't had swathes of the currently enrolled classes disappearing or transferring so it's pretty much only a line going up. The rate of guys sticking around for their 5th year eligibility isn't higher than anywhere else that is comparable in "prestige" I wouldn't think.

But like as of fall of last year when the recruiting was "finalized" this was 16 incoming kids to replace 14 but really 11 outgoing assuming you had an inclination for who was more likely to stick around for Grad School and was at the top of your depth charts that you would want back. So conservatively lets say they knew and the roster was going to increase in size by 5. A bit of a bump but not as crazy as this might seem.

Grad transfers or even the long term transfer like Gelinas also wouldn't have been on your radar as anything "guaranteed" to happen. If this past season turned out to be another middle of the road one or worse do you think Ierlan necessarily picks JHU? So I don't think you can really have planned for this to happen at least not the exact number. I doubt we get anyone else like Doc wants with Vardaro but are you really going to say no to anyone who wants to come to campus that is going to sit at or near the top of your depth chart?

Similarly the "final" addition of Hunter Chauvette now to the incoming class is in the same boat. Who knows when he started down this thought process of changing his commitment but there is no world where you told that kid "Thanks but no thanks" if he expressed interest. Your only possible excuse would be "I can't get your grades past admissions".

If red shirting happens from some new folks or there are cuts/hard conversations have to happen with folks down the depth chart because there's a few too many on the roster so be it I guess.

Ruffled_Feathers wrote: ↑Tue Jun 13, 2023 6:02 pm These things just really have added up in a nickel and dime fashion though. One here, two there, etc. We haven't had swathes of the currently enrolled classes disappearing or transferring so it's pretty much only a line going up. The rate of guys sticking around for their 5th year eligibility isn't higher than anywhere else that is comparable in "prestige" I wouldn't think.

But like as of fall of last year when the recruiting was "finalized" this was 16 incoming kids to replace 14 but really 11 outgoing assuming you had an inclination for who was more likely to stick around for Grad School and was at the top of your depth charts that you would want back. So conservatively lets say they knew and the roster was going to increase in size by 5. A bit of a bump but not as crazy as this might seem.

Grad transfers or even the long term transfer like Gelinas also wouldn't have been on your radar as anything "guaranteed" to happen. If this past season turned out to be another middle of the road one or worse do you think Ierlan necessarily picks JHU? So I don't think you can really have planned for this to happen at least not the exact number. I doubt we get anyone else like Doc wants with Vardaro but are you really going to say no to anyone who wants to come to campus that is going to sit at or near the top of your depth chart?

Similarly the "final" addition of Hunter Chauvette now to the incoming class is in the same boat. Who knows when he started down this thought process of changing his commitment but there is no world where you told that kid "Thanks but no thanks" if he expressed interest. Your only possible excuse would be "I can't get your grades past admissions".

If red shirting happens from some new folks or there are cuts/hard conversations have to happen with folks down the depth chart because there's a few too many on the roster so be it I guess.

44WeWantMore wrote: ↑Tue Jun 13, 2023 6:40 pm Johns Hopkins University won the 2022-23 Learfield Directors’ Cup

wgdsr wrote: ↑Tue Jun 13, 2023 6:26 pm

Ruffled_Feathers wrote: ↑Tue Jun 13, 2023 6:02 pm These things just really have added up in a nickel and dime fashion though. One here, two there, etc. We haven't had swathes of the currently enrolled classes disappearing or transferring so it's pretty much only a line going up. The rate of guys sticking around for their 5th year eligibility isn't higher than anywhere else that is comparable in "prestige" I wouldn't think.

But like as of fall of last year when the recruiting was "finalized" this was 16 incoming kids to replace 14 but really 11 outgoing assuming you had an inclination for who was more likely to stick around for Grad School and was at the top of your depth charts that you would want back. So conservatively lets say they knew and the roster was going to increase in size by 5. A bit of a bump but not as crazy as this might seem.

Grad transfers or even the long term transfer like Gelinas also wouldn't have been on your radar as anything "guaranteed" to happen. If this past season turned out to be another middle of the road one or worse do you think Ierlan necessarily picks JHU? So I don't think you can really have planned for this to happen at least not the exact number. I doubt we get anyone else like Doc wants with Vardaro but are you really going to say no to anyone who wants to come to campus that is going to sit at or near the top of your depth chart?

Similarly the "final" addition of Hunter Chauvette now to the incoming class is in the same boat. Who knows when he started down this thought process of changing his commitment but there is no world where you told that kid "Thanks but no thanks" if he expressed interest. Your only possible excuse would be "I can't get your grades past admissions".

If red shirting happens from some new folks or there are cuts/hard conversations have to happen with folks down the depth chart because there's a few too many on the roster so be it I guess.

largely true. still, just the sheer numbers, 60? or a couple fewer guys is going to be a dynamic for recruiting and everything else re: retention. which has been great to date. they will have effects that may never be known. one might be "great! i have 60 buds, not 42!"
but there may be others that run counter. you don't get a large roster by accident.

ftr, alabama probably has about the same size roster as central florida. so who knows? this is just one piece, anyway. the guys that expect to play are looking at short term depth charts on field 1st, and not the end of the bench. some guys leverage the education, hold out hope they could move up but are ok if the everything else at school is good.

44WeWantMore wrote: ↑Tue Jun 13, 2023 6:40 pm Johns Hopkins University won the 2022-23 Learfield Directors’ Cup

Ruffled_Feathers wrote: ↑Tue Jun 13, 2023 6:02 pm These things just really have added up in a nickel and dime fashion though. One here, two there, etc. We haven't had swathes of the currently enrolled classes disappearing or transferring so it's pretty much only a line going up. The rate of guys sticking around for their 5th year eligibility isn't higher than anywhere else that is comparable in "prestige" I wouldn't think.

But like as of fall of last year when the recruiting was "finalized" this was 16 incoming kids to replace 14 but really 11 outgoing assuming you had an inclination for who was more likely to stick around for Grad School and was at the top of your depth charts that you would want back. So conservatively lets say they knew and the roster was going to increase in size by 5. A bit of a bump but not as crazy as this might seem.

Grad transfers or even the long term transfer like Gelinas also wouldn't have been on your radar as anything "guaranteed" to happen. If this past season turned out to be another middle of the road one or worse do you think Ierlan necessarily picks JHU? So I don't think you can really have planned for this to happen at least not the exact number. I doubt we get anyone else like Doc wants with Vardaro but are you really going to say no to anyone who wants to come to campus that is going to sit at or near the top of your depth chart?

Similarly the "final" addition of Hunter Chauvette now to the incoming class is in the same boat. Who knows when he started down this thought process of changing his commitment but there is no world where you told that kid "Thanks but no thanks" if he expressed interest. Your only possible excuse would be "I can't get your grades past admissions".

If red shirting happens from some new folks or there are cuts/hard conversations have to happen with folks down the depth chart because there's a few too many on the roster so be it I guess.

jhu06 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 12, 2023 5:54 pm

HopFan16 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 12, 2023 5:34 pm Maybe 06 will shut up now? What do you all think? Unlikely, right?

Ierlan turns the goalie position from a question mark into a strength. The defense is going to be formidable.

I remember being disappointed when Chauvette chose Yale, so glad he changed his mind. If you haven't watched tape on him, you should. He really does have an incredible shooting stroke. Between him, Ayers, and Sorichetti, there are at least three likely future starters in this incoming freshman attack group.

The importance of the Lawrenceville pipeline cannot be overstated. They are the best high school program in the country and are positioned to stay that way for years to come. And no one is recruiting them better than our staff. Notre Dame has Chaminade...Hopkins now has Lawrenceville.

Well done to PM and co. for making these two moves. The Jays got better today.

Is chauvette better than degnon and is he the replacement there?

Ruffled_Feathers wrote: ↑Tue Jun 13, 2023 6:02 pm These things just really have added up in a nickel and dime fashion though. One here, two there, etc. We haven't had swathes of the currently enrolled classes disappearing or transferring so it's pretty much only a line going up. The rate of guys sticking around for their 5th year eligibility isn't higher than anywhere else that is comparable in "prestige" I wouldn't think.

But like as of fall of last year when the recruiting was "finalized" this was 16 incoming kids to replace 14 but really 11 outgoing assuming you had an inclination for who was more likely to stick around for Grad School and was at the top of your depth charts that you would want back. So conservatively lets say they knew and the roster was going to increase in size by 5. A bit of a bump but not as crazy as this might seem.

Grad transfers or even the long term transfer like Gelinas also wouldn't have been on your radar as anything "guaranteed" to happen. If this past season turned out to be another middle of the road one or worse do you think Ierlan necessarily picks JHU? So I don't think you can really have planned for this to happen at least not the exact number. I doubt we get anyone else like Doc wants with Vardaro but are you really going to say no to anyone who wants to come to campus that is going to sit at or near the top of your depth chart?

Similarly the "final" addition of Hunter Chauvette now to the incoming class is in the same boat. Who knows when he started down this thought process of changing his commitment but there is no world where you told that kid "Thanks but no thanks" if he expressed interest. Your only possible excuse would be "I can't get your grades past admissions".

If red shirting happens from some new folks or there are cuts/hard conversations have to happen with folks down the depth chart because there's a few too many on the roster so be it I guess.