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a fan wrote: ↑Tue Feb 28, 2023 2:00 pm

HopFan16 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 28, 2023 1:45 pm Don't agree with the idea that Michigan is just happy to have a program and doesn't care about winning. There are programs like that but I doubt Michigan is one of them. Do we really think the AD likes playing little brother to Ohio State in a new sport? If so, why even go D1? What was this all for? They don't need the extra tuition.

So why did the AD give Conry a "multi-year" extension?

My opinion is that he's patient, and knows Michigan is a tough sell for elite players, and knows Conry is doing a fine job with the situation he's in. What's your view as to why he did that?

For all the backseat drivers....who's the "can't miss" coach that's better than Conry? You guys have this all pegged, right? So who's guaranteed to beat O State and the other BigTen schools?

BTW----we heard this all before when Paul was coach. That "coaching was the problem". So they went out and got the Asst. for the NCAA champs, who knew how to win and how to recruit. Just like the backseat drivers asked.

a fan wrote: ↑Tue Feb 28, 2023 2:00 pm

HopFan16 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 28, 2023 1:45 pm Don't agree with the idea that Michigan is just happy to have a program and doesn't care about winning. There are programs like that but I doubt Michigan is one of them. Do we really think the AD likes playing little brother to Ohio State in a new sport? If so, why even go D1? What was this all for? They don't need the extra tuition.

So why did the AD give Conry a "multi-year" extension?

My opinion is that he's patient, and knows Michigan is a tough sell for elite players, and knows Conry is doing a fine job with the situation he's in. What's your view as to why he did that?

Formerhound wrote: ↑Tue Feb 28, 2023 2:19 pm ‘21 and ‘22 classes: 11 4 and 1 5 recruit. Not bad for a school that’s tough to recruit to.

gymman1031 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 28, 2023 2:24 pm

Formerhound wrote: ↑Tue Feb 28, 2023 2:19 pm ‘21 and ‘22 classes: 11 4 and 1 5 recruit. Not bad for a school that’s tough to recruit to.

LOL-For sure! By the way, Michigan just lost to a Marquette team that has very few highly-ranked recruits, started DI one year later, and has beaten many more solid teams in their history than Michigan has.

gymman1031 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 28, 2023 2:27 pm

gymman1031 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 28, 2023 2:24 pm

Formerhound wrote: ↑Tue Feb 28, 2023 2:19 pm ‘21 and ‘22 classes: 11 4 and 1 5 recruit. Not bad for a school that’s tough to recruit to.

LOL-For sure! By the way, Michigan just lost to a Marquette team that is a much harder sell for talent, has very few highly-ranked recruits, started DI one year later, and has beaten many more solid teams in their history than Michigan has.

HopFan16 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 28, 2023 2:12 pmConry made a convincing last-minute powerpoint presentation? One more chance to post some better results?

HopFan16 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 28, 2023 2:12 pm They sure did it quietly. No press release, none of the usual quotes from the AD about how much of a good job the coach is doing (go read BU's announcement of Polley's extension from last week for some nice contrast), zero details at all, just a stray tweet and that was that. I'd be pretty surprised if the "multiyear" extension was for the standard 5 years. The way they handled it does not project much confidence. Since we're speculating about the AD's thinking, I'd say it's quite possible they wanted an extension on the books because that looks much better for current/future recruits than a lame duck does.

OCanada wrote: ↑Tue Feb 28, 2023 1:41 pm

1766 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 28, 2023 1:20 pm Financing the purchasing of Twitter for $44B compared to paying out a lacrosse coach at Michigan who makes a few hundred grand. The silliness of this board knows no bounds.

Like saying two transfers would not be playing at OSU in 2023 silliness??? The reality is projecting and attributing motivations and goals without knowing context is silly

1766 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 28, 2023 1:20 pm Financing the purchasing of Twitter for $44B compared to paying out a lacrosse coach at Michigan who makes a few hundred grand. The silliness of this board knows no bounds.

GaitsRightHand wrote: ↑Tue Feb 28, 2023 1:35 pm Conry is making $201,500 a year. That'd be a million-dollar loss for Michigan if they let him go after this year.

By no means am I saying I think he should stay. His best season, with the most notable wins, was his first year at UM with JP's recruits. Watching the 2nd half of the Canisius game, I was very underwhelmed with the backups for Michigan. They do not look like BIG10 athletes or lacrosse players. Not entirely sure what he's doing but he needs to figure it out before the Ann Arbor townies come knocking at his door with pitchforks.

a fan wrote: ↑Tue Feb 28, 2023 1:41 pm

1766 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 28, 2023 1:20 pm Financing the purchasing of Twitter for $44B compared to paying out a lacrosse coach at Michigan who makes a few hundred grand. The silliness of this board knows no bounds.

It's not silly. He's communicating to you that you are suggesting that UMich doesn't care about finances "because" they blow a ton of money on football. They were just hit with massive budget cuts in 2020, like many schools were.

They don't have a few hundred thousand dollars lying around for non revenue sports that can easily be wasted. What's silly is that you're convinced that they do.

a fan wrote: ↑Tue Feb 28, 2023 2:30 pm

HopFan16 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 28, 2023 2:12 pmConry made a convincing last-minute powerpoint presentation? One more chance to post some better results?

So then why wasn't it just for one year?

Basically, what you're saying is: to hell with what actually happened, Conry is obviously on his way out.

HopFan16 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 28, 2023 2:12 pm They sure did it quietly. No press release, none of the usual quotes from the AD about how much of a good job the coach is doing (go read BU's announcement of Polley's extension from last week for some nice contrast), zero details at all, just a stray tweet and that was that. I'd be pretty surprised if the "multiyear" extension was for the standard 5 years. The way they handled it does not project much confidence. Since we're speculating about the AD's thinking, I'd say it's quite possible they wanted an extension on the books because that looks much better for current/future recruits than a lame duck does.

Well that squares it. The AD is gonna fire Conry next week if he doesn't win.

Because it's not possible that a multiyear extension for a coach of a non-revenue sport that no one in Ann Arbor cares about is simply exactly what it says.....a mulit-year extension for a coach.

gymman1031 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 28, 2023 2:10 pm

a fan wrote: ↑Tue Feb 28, 2023 2:00 pm

HopFan16 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 28, 2023 1:45 pm Don't agree with the idea that Michigan is just happy to have a program and doesn't care about winning. There are programs like that but I doubt Michigan is one of them. Do we really think the AD likes playing little brother to Ohio State in a new sport? If so, why even go D1? What was this all for? They don't need the extra tuition.

So why did the AD give Conry a "multi-year" extension?

My opinion is that he's patient, and knows Michigan is a tough sell for elite players, and knows Conry is doing a fine job with the situation he's in. What's your view as to why he did that?

For all the backseat drivers....who's the "can't miss" coach that's better than Conry? You guys have this all pegged, right? So who's guaranteed to beat O State and the other BigTen schools?

BTW----we heard this all before when Paul was coach. That "coaching was the problem". So they went out and got the Asst. for the NCAA champs, who knew how to win and how to recruit. Just like the backseat drivers asked.

Michigan, for so many reasons, is NOT a tough sell for 4* and higher players. Clearly, Paul "hit his ceiling" as to how high he could take the program. Yes, there are many established programs. But Michigan has so many things to offer. And that includes the possible opportunity for players to be a part of making the program, which has serious potential, great. God, I hope the coaches and other people highly associated with the program don't regular hear and see people say that Michigan is a tough sell for top talent. That would only lower their own standards.

Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Tue Feb 28, 2023 2:47 pm

gymman1031 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 28, 2023 2:10 pm

a fan wrote: ↑Tue Feb 28, 2023 2:00 pm

HopFan16 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 28, 2023 1:45 pm Don't agree with the idea that Michigan is just happy to have a program and doesn't care about winning. There are programs like that but I doubt Michigan is one of them. Do we really think the AD likes playing little brother to Ohio State in a new sport? If so, why even go D1? What was this all for? They don't need the extra tuition.

So why did the AD give Conry a "multi-year" extension?

My opinion is that he's patient, and knows Michigan is a tough sell for elite players, and knows Conry is doing a fine job with the situation he's in. What's your view as to why he did that?

For all the backseat drivers....who's the "can't miss" coach that's better than Conry? You guys have this all pegged, right? So who's guaranteed to beat O State and the other BigTen schools?

BTW----we heard this all before when Paul was coach. That "coaching was the problem". So they went out and got the Asst. for the NCAA champs, who knew how to win and how to recruit. Just like the backseat drivers asked.

Michigan, for so many reasons, is NOT a tough sell for 4* and higher players. Clearly, Paul "hit his ceiling" as to how high he could take the program. Yes, there are many established programs. But Michigan has so many things to offer. And that includes the possible opportunity for players to be a part of making the program, which has serious potential, great. God, I hope the coaches and other people highly associated with the program don't regular hear and see people say that Michigan is a tough sell for top talent. That would only lower their own standards.

Tons of four stars flame out every single year. You have to stop with this and understand the circular and self serving nature of the rating system at some point after many years of the same argument and being wrong.

GaitsRightHand wrote: ↑Tue Feb 28, 2023 2:35 pm This is Conry's first time EVER being a head coach. I'm not sure who was on the market for a job when they were hiring, but I do feel like he was not ready to be the HC of a BIG10 program. I coached a 4star that visited there, and he said Conry came off as pompous. Had the kid waiting over an hour in his office during a visit. It was so bad that Turri was stressing out and continuously apologizing to the kid and his parents.

I think there's something to be said when your number 1 and 2 assistants explored other options. Turri landed St Johns, and Rogowski almost took the NJIT job. Not mad at Turri for the move but when your Associate HC was willing to take a job at the worst D1 in college lacrosse, I do not take it as a good sign. The VA from last year, Murphy, was promised a seat at the table as a full-time guy, and then Conry never fulfilled those promises. Murphy is now the OC at Vermont. I'd imagine a lot of turnover from your coaching staff is never a good thing. Especially for a team trying to crack a top 20 list.

Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Tue Feb 28, 2023 2:46 pm

a fan wrote: ↑Tue Feb 28, 2023 1:41 pm

1766 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 28, 2023 1:20 pm Financing the purchasing of Twitter for $44B compared to paying out a lacrosse coach at Michigan who makes a few hundred grand. The silliness of this board knows no bounds.

It's not silly. He's communicating to you that you are suggesting that UMich doesn't care about finances "because" they blow a ton of money on football. They were just hit with massive budget cuts in 2020, like many schools were.

They don't have a few hundred thousand dollars lying around for non revenue sports that can easily be wasted. What's silly is that you're convinced that they do.

Thank you. Thought the analogy would be obvious. Maybe beacuse Rutgers has been so dumb, profligate and wasteful with money he's projecting it on everyone including actual broadly long term successful athletic departments.

gymman1031 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 28, 2023 2:49 pm

Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Tue Feb 28, 2023 2:47 pm

gymman1031 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 28, 2023 2:10 pm

a fan wrote: ↑Tue Feb 28, 2023 2:00 pm

HopFan16 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 28, 2023 1:45 pm Don't agree with the idea that Michigan is just happy to have a program and doesn't care about winning. There are programs like that but I doubt Michigan is one of them. Do we really think the AD likes playing little brother to Ohio State in a new sport? If so, why even go D1? What was this all for? They don't need the extra tuition.

So why did the AD give Conry a "multi-year" extension?

My opinion is that he's patient, and knows Michigan is a tough sell for elite players, and knows Conry is doing a fine job with the situation he's in. What's your view as to why he did that?

For all the backseat drivers....who's the "can't miss" coach that's better than Conry? You guys have this all pegged, right? So who's guaranteed to beat O State and the other BigTen schools?

BTW----we heard this all before when Paul was coach. That "coaching was the problem". So they went out and got the Asst. for the NCAA champs, who knew how to win and how to recruit. Just like the backseat drivers asked.

Michigan, for so many reasons, is NOT a tough sell for 4* and higher players. Clearly, Paul "hit his ceiling" as to how high he could take the program. Yes, there are many established programs. But Michigan has so many things to offer. And that includes the possible opportunity for players to be a part of making the program, which has serious potential, great. God, I hope the coaches and other people highly associated with the program don't regular hear and see people say that Michigan is a tough sell for top talent. That would only lower their own standards.

Tons of four stars flame out every single year. You have to stop with this and understand the circular and self serving nature of the rating system at some point after many years of the same argument and being wrong.

STILL, to be a consistent big winner in a top conference in any DI College Sport, more often than not, you need to get lots of highly-ranked players. That is just the way it works.

Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Tue Feb 28, 2023 2:46 pm

a fan wrote: ↑Tue Feb 28, 2023 1:41 pm

1766 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 28, 2023 1:20 pm Financing the purchasing of Twitter for $44B compared to paying out a lacrosse coach at Michigan who makes a few hundred grand. The silliness of this board knows no bounds.

It's not silly. He's communicating to you that you are suggesting that UMich doesn't care about finances "because" they blow a ton of money on football. They were just hit with massive budget cuts in 2020, like many schools were.

They don't have a few hundred thousand dollars lying around for non revenue sports that can easily be wasted. What's silly is that you're convinced that they do.

Thank you.

Thought the analogy would be obvious.

1766 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 28, 2023 3:00 pm

Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Tue Feb 28, 2023 2:46 pm

a fan wrote: ↑Tue Feb 28, 2023 1:41 pm

1766 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 28, 2023 1:20 pm Financing the purchasing of Twitter for $44B compared to paying out a lacrosse coach at Michigan who makes a few hundred grand. The silliness of this board knows no bounds.

It's not silly. He's communicating to you that you are suggesting that UMich doesn't care about finances "because" they blow a ton of money on football. They were just hit with massive budget cuts in 2020, like many schools were.

They don't have a few hundred thousand dollars lying around for non revenue sports that can easily be wasted. What's silly is that you're convinced that they do.

Thank you. Thought the analogy would be obvious. Maybe beacuse Rutgers has been so dumb, profligate and wasteful with money he's projecting it on everyone including actual broadly long term successful athletic departments.

Yet here we are, in the B1G, using teams like Hobart to get our fourth line guys runs. Must hurt to be so fiscally well managed (which I doubt) and still get used as practice dummys.

Stay tuned, new lacrosse stadium coming soon.