Fact Check: Trump’s false claim that the judge isn’t requiring a unanimous verdict
From CNN’s Daniel Dale and Jeremy Herb
Former President Donald Trump falsely claimed Wednesday that Judge Juan Merchan “is not requiring a unanimous decision on the fake charges against me.”
Trump made the claim in a social media post in which he described Merchan’s supposed position as “RIDICULOUS, UNCONSTITUTIONAL, AND UNAMERICAN.” He was echoing assertions that had been circulating among conservatives after Fox News anchor John Roberts wrote on social media earlier on Wednesday that “Judge Merchan just told the jury that they do not need unanimity to convict.”
Facts First: Trump’s claim inaccurately depicts what Merchan said.
Merchan told the jury in his instructions on Wednesday that their verdict “must be unanimous” on each of the 34 counts that Trump faces and that, to convict Trump of felony falsification of business records, they would have to unanimously agree that he falsified business records with the intent to commit, aid or conceal another crime — that other crime being a violation of a New York election law. But Merchan explained that while this New York election law prohibits people from conspiring to use “unlawful means” to promote a candidate’s election, jurors don’t have to unanimously agree on which particular “unlawful means” Trump may have used; they can find him guilty as long as they unanimously agree that Trump used some unlawful means.
Prosecutors provided three theories of what unlawful means Trump used. Merchan told the jury: “Although you must conclude unanimously that the defendant conspired to promote or prevent the election of any person to a public office by unlawful means, you need not be unanimous as to what those unlawful means were. In determining whether the defendant conspired to promote or prevent the election of any person to a public office by unlawful means, you may consider the following: (1) violations of the Federal Election Campaign Act otherwise known as FECA; (2) the falsification of other business records; or (3) violation of tax laws.”
Re: Crime and Punishment
Posted: Sat Jun 08, 2024 6:51 am
by cradleandshoot
There was an interesting event last week at a local Big Lots Store near our house. A shop lifter in the process of leaving the store with his bag of goodies punched the assistant manager in the face. The manager, witnessing the assault called police and followed the bad actor into the parking lot. The police were unable to locate the individual. Two weeks later the manager was fired for violating Big Lots policy by calling the police without approval by his district manager. Big Lots policy is to not impede or interfere or confront any shop lifter. Even if that individual assaults one of your employees. If I was a shoplifter I would do all of my thieving at Big Lots. They are shoplifter friendly for sure. If you ask nicely they might even give you a bag to put your goodies in. It is quite the dilemma for Big Lots. They don't want to confront these people out of fear of them becoming violent. The down side is they are being shop lifted out of existence. These bad actors understand store policy and will happily take advantage of it. It has to be frustrating for any manager to just watch stolen merchandise walking out the door and all you can do is watch and then make a report to upper management. Who said crime doesn't pay because apparently it does.
Re: Crime and Punishment
Posted: Sat Jun 08, 2024 7:37 am
by Farfromgeneva
It is notworthy that for much of this period the left was strongly behind silicon valley (same left that supported all things hollywood like Harvey Weinstein), none of which denies the grossness of where the right has migrated to. But for this guy to lay claim to "it was consensual.." with law studnets while he was a teacher is beyond pathetic and wrong. Then, his DC managing office partner acts like this type of trash (and she sure best not be a womens rights advocate publicly - Gloria Steinam should be up this lady's a**). Unfrotunately for OS it doesn't appear as though hes a member of the tribe so wont be able to call him a vampire or tie him to soros so easily. Let's also keep in mind he was at a state school in Va under the authority of...a Rep gov.
*My note he looks like a dude whos only running around because of a power imbalance it aint his Legends of the Fall Brad Pitt Crossed with American Psycho Christian Bale looks. He seems like the type of guy who would flex in a mirror in his sidepiece apt while running a three way with prostitutes for sure however.
After learning of Wright’s infidelity, his wife hired a divorce attorney and kicked him out of the house. By then, Wright had been forced out of Wilson Sonsini for lying about his office romance.
None of it slowed his career. Wright was indispensable to some of America’s largest companies, as well as to the Antonin Scalia Law School at George Mason University, a public institution in Arlington, Va. Corporations donated millions of dollars to the university at his direction, and he made millions more working on their behalf.
Even after Wright was ousted, Wilson Sonsini looked for a way to keep him working. The Justice Department was investigating whether Google used anticompetitive practices to build its internet-search and advertising business, the kind of threat Wright was renowned for neutralizing.
The head of the law firm’s Washington office, Susan Creighton, wrote in a November 2019 email to Wright that she had spoken with other partners about keeping him involved with Google, one of the firm’s top clients. Any arrangement, she said, would make him “at least as well off, if not better off” than working for Wilson Sonsini.
“One such example might be for you to continue to bill through the firm, effectively as an ‘expert,’ and keep 100% of the revenues,” she wrote. “Another would be for you to bill directly to Google.” Creighton declined to comment.
Shortly afterward, Wright got a consulting contract with Google to collect and analyze economic data. A Google spokesman said the company “had no knowledge of the reasons for Mr. Wright’s departure from Wilson Sonsini.”
Re: Crime and Punishment
Posted: Sat Jun 08, 2024 5:53 pm
by PizzaSnake
Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Sat Jun 08, 2024 7:37 am
It is notworthy that for much of this period the left was strongly behind silicon valley (same left that supported all things hollywood like Harvey Weinstein), none of which denies the grossness of where the right has migrated to. But for this guy to lay claim to "it was consensual.." with law studnets while he was a teacher is beyond pathetic and wrong. Then, his DC managing office partner acts like this type of trash (and she sure best not be a womens rights advocate publicly - Gloria Steinam should be up this lady's a**). Unfrotunately for OS it doesn't appear as though hes a member of the tribe so wont be able to call him a vampire or tie him to soros so easily. Let's also keep in mind he was at a state school in Va under the authority of...a Rep gov.
*My note he looks like a dude whos only running around because of a power imbalance it aint his Legends of the Fall Brad Pitt Crossed with American Psycho Christian Bale looks. He seems like the type of guy who would flex in a mirror in his sidepiece apt while running a three way with prostitutes for sure however.
After learning of Wright’s infidelity, his wife hired a divorce attorney and kicked him out of the house. By then, Wright had been forced out of Wilson Sonsini for lying about his office romance.
None of it slowed his career. Wright was indispensable to some of America’s largest companies, as well as to the Antonin Scalia Law School at George Mason University, a public institution in Arlington, Va. Corporations donated millions of dollars to the university at his direction, and he made millions more working on their behalf.
Even after Wright was ousted, Wilson Sonsini looked for a way to keep him working. The Justice Department was investigating whether Google used anticompetitive practices to build its internet-search and advertising business, the kind of threat Wright was renowned for neutralizing.
The head of the law firm’s Washington office, Susan Creighton, wrote in a November 2019 email to Wright that she had spoken with other partners about keeping him involved with Google, one of the firm’s top clients. Any arrangement, she said, would make him “at least as well off, if not better off” than working for Wilson Sonsini.
“One such example might be for you to continue to bill through the firm, effectively as an ‘expert,’ and keep 100% of the revenues,” she wrote. “Another would be for you to bill directly to Google.” Creighton declined to comment.
Shortly afterward, Wright got a consulting contract with Google to collect and analyze economic data. A Google spokesman said the company “had no knowledge of the reasons for Mr. Wright’s departure from Wilson Sonsini.”
The very picture of moral rectitude…
Re: Crime and Punishment
Posted: Sat Jun 08, 2024 6:02 pm
by Brooklyn
^ All that reminds me of how right wingers accused feminists of double standards when they failed to condemn Billy Jeff Clinton for sexually harassing women (he, at least, later apologized). Not surprisingly while they were clothed in the white robes of moral rectitude, the right wingers failed to condemn tRump for his boastful puuuuussy grabbing (he, unapologetic). As always with the right wingnut delusionals double standards are the order of the day.
Re: Crime and Punishment
Posted: Sat Jun 08, 2024 6:30 pm
by Typical Lax Dad
cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Sat Jun 08, 2024 6:51 am
There was an interesting event last week at a local Big Lots Store near our house. A shop lifter in the process of leaving the store with his bag of goodies punched the assistant manager in the face. The manager, witnessing the assault called police and followed the bad actor into the parking lot. The police were unable to locate the individual. Two weeks later the manager was fired for violating Big Lots policy by calling the police without approval by his district manager. Big Lots policy is to not impede or interfere or confront any shop lifter. Even if that individual assaults one of your employees. If I was a shoplifter I would do all of my thieving at Big Lots. They are shoplifter friendly for sure. If you ask nicely they might even give you a bag to put your goodies in. It is quite the dilemma for Big Lots. They don't want to confront these people out of fear of them becoming violent. The down side is they are being shop lifted out of existence. These bad actors understand store policy and will happily take advantage of it. It has to be frustrating for any manager to just watch stolen merchandise walking out the door and all you can do is watch and then make a report to upper management. Who said crime doesn't pay because apparently it does.
Re: Crime and Punishment
Posted: Sat Jun 08, 2024 11:54 pm
by Farfromgeneva
Brooklyn wrote: ↑Sat Jun 08, 2024 6:02 pm
^ All that reminds me of how right wingers accused feminists of double standards when they failed to condemn Billy Jeff Clinton for sexually harassing women (he, at least, later apologized). Not surprisingly while they were clothed in the white robes of moral rectitude, the right wingers failed to condemn tRump for his boastful puuuuussy grabbing (he, unapologetic). As always with the right wingnut delusionals double standards are the order of the day.
Who’s the right wing delusional you are referring to? What I se is a lack of acknowledgement of this behavior and finger pointing above. Do you actually care about being better? At all?
I don’tIke power imbalances of any kind but recognize them as part of society if I have to make my agenda my kids first then other humans close to me then somewhere down the list a bordered country. And there was a time I was as fierce as Leon black on the scene. Long time ago we’re talking but I gots mine Brookie! I gets mine.
cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Sat Jun 08, 2024 6:51 am
There was an interesting event last week at a local Big Lots Store near our house. A shop lifter in the process of leaving the store with his bag of goodies punched the assistant manager in the face. The manager, witnessing the assault called police and followed the bad actor into the parking lot. The police were unable to locate the individual. Two weeks later the manager was fired for violating Big Lots policy by calling the police without approval by his district manager. Big Lots policy is to not impede or interfere or confront any shop lifter. Even if that individual assaults one of your employees. If I was a shoplifter I would do all of my thieving at Big Lots. They are shoplifter friendly for sure. If you ask nicely they might even give you a bag to put your goodies in. It is quite the dilemma for Big Lots. They don't want to confront these people out of fear of them becoming violent. The down side is they are being shop lifted out of existence. These bad actors understand store policy and will happily take advantage of it. It has to be frustrating for any manager to just watch stolen merchandise walking out the door and all you can do is watch and then make a report to upper management. Who said crime doesn't pay because apparently it does.
FTR for what it is worth, I use to shop at this same Big Lots store fairly frequently. I didn't know the manager in question. I do know in the year or so he was the manager of that store he busted his ass and turned it from a chaotic mess into a well run and organized store. This Big Lots is a stones throw away from the Wegmans I shop at every week. The Wegman family has taken a different approach, if you try to walk out of their store with a bag full of stolen merchandise you will meet the asset protection people up close and personal. Why Big Lots has chosen this path to bankruptcy is painfully clear. They are more concerned about a violent and combative thief being injured and suing the crap out of them. The moral of the story is you can be a dedicated store manager who becomes nothing more than a scape goat for corporate America. How frustrating must it be for a store manager to watch his merchandise walking out the front door and all you can do is watch and shake your head. The thief assaulting one of your employees doesn't even change those dynamics. I call this the death of common sense. Whoever said crime doesn't pay should be the new CEO of Big Lots. BTW, I will never shop at Big Lots again not like they will be in business for very much longer with some of their present policies.
Who’s the right wing delusional you are referring to? What I se is a lack of acknowledgement of this behavior and finger pointing above. Do you actually care about being better? At all?
I don’tIke power imbalances of any kind but recognize them as part of society if I have to make my agenda my kids first then other humans close to me then somewhere down the list a bordered country. And there was a time I was as fierce as Leon black on the scene. Long time ago we’re talking but I gots mine Brookie! I gets mine.
Nah, dontcha worry -- wasn't about you or anyone in particular. But do recall all the nightly mierda we saw on tv back in those days of television holier-than-thou-and-better-than-you-can-ever-hope-to-be evangelist types and right wing political hypocrites like Cal Thomas. Every day we heard about the decline of morality and cultural meltdown due to Billy Jeff and his wicked ways where he was steeped in sin beyond all manner of redemption. That all this was a bad example that caused trees to collapse, paint to melt off of walls, and bring on El Niño. I've checked Thomas's website and see no cries about tRump immorality. Nor do we see any such claims on other television evangelist websites. When challenged on this issue it is disregarded by those delusional pundits. No surprise given their history of political hypocrisy, Pharisaism, and double standards.
cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Sat Jun 08, 2024 6:51 am
There was an interesting event last week at a local Big Lots Store near our house. A shop lifter in the process of leaving the store with his bag of goodies punched the assistant manager in the face. The manager, witnessing the assault called police and followed the bad actor into the parking lot. The police were unable to locate the individual. Two weeks later the manager was fired for violating Big Lots policy by calling the police without approval by his district manager. Big Lots policy is to not impede or interfere or confront any shop lifter. Even if that individual assaults one of your employees. If I was a shoplifter I would do all of my thieving at Big Lots. They are shoplifter friendly for sure. If you ask nicely they might even give you a bag to put your goodies in. It is quite the dilemma for Big Lots. They don't want to confront these people out of fear of them becoming violent. The down side is they are being shop lifted out of existence. These bad actors understand store policy and will happily take advantage of it. It has to be frustrating for any manager to just watch stolen merchandise walking out the door and all you can do is watch and then make a report to upper management. Who said crime doesn't pay because apparently it does.
FTR for what it is worth, I use to shop at this same Big Lots store fairly frequently. I didn't know the manager in question. I do know in the year or so he was the manager of that store he busted his ass and turned it from a chaotic mess into a well run and organized store. This Big Lots is a stones throw away from the Wegmans I shop at every week. The Wegman family has taken a different approach, if you try to walk out of their store with a bag full of stolen merchandise you will meet the asset protection people up close and personal. Why Big Lots has chosen this path to bankruptcy is painfully clear. They are more concerned about a violent and combative thief being injured and suing the crap out of them. The moral of the story is you can be a dedicated store manager who becomes nothing more than a scape goat for corporate America. How frustrating must it be for a store manager to watch his merchandise walking out the front door and all you can do is watch and shake your head. The thief assaulting one of your employees doesn't even change those dynamics. I call this the death of common sense. Whoever said crime doesn't pay should be the new CEO of Big Lots. BTW, I will never shop at Big Lots again not like they will be in business for very much longer with some of their present policies.
You think shoplifting is why Big Lots is in the toilet?
cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Sat Jun 08, 2024 6:51 am
There was an interesting event last week at a local Big Lots Store near our house. A shop lifter in the process of leaving the store with his bag of goodies punched the assistant manager in the face. The manager, witnessing the assault called police and followed the bad actor into the parking lot. The police were unable to locate the individual. Two weeks later the manager was fired for violating Big Lots policy by calling the police without approval by his district manager. Big Lots policy is to not impede or interfere or confront any shop lifter. Even if that individual assaults one of your employees. If I was a shoplifter I would do all of my thieving at Big Lots. They are shoplifter friendly for sure. If you ask nicely they might even give you a bag to put your goodies in. It is quite the dilemma for Big Lots. They don't want to confront these people out of fear of them becoming violent. The down side is they are being shop lifted out of existence. These bad actors understand store policy and will happily take advantage of it. It has to be frustrating for any manager to just watch stolen merchandise walking out the door and all you can do is watch and then make a report to upper management. Who said crime doesn't pay because apparently it does.
FTR for what it is worth, I use to shop at this same Big Lots store fairly frequently. I didn't know the manager in question. I do know in the year or so he was the manager of that store he busted his ass and turned it from a chaotic mess into a well run and organized store. This Big Lots is a stones throw away from the Wegmans I shop at every week. The Wegman family has taken a different approach, if you try to walk out of their store with a bag full of stolen merchandise you will meet the asset protection people up close and personal. Why Big Lots has chosen this path to bankruptcy is painfully clear. They are more concerned about a violent and combative thief being injured and suing the crap out of them. The moral of the story is you can be a dedicated store manager who becomes nothing more than a scape goat for corporate America. How frustrating must it be for a store manager to watch his merchandise walking out the front door and all you can do is watch and shake your head. The thief assaulting one of your employees doesn't even change those dynamics. I call this the death of common sense. Whoever said crime doesn't pay should be the new CEO of Big Lots. BTW, I will never shop at Big Lots again not like they will be in business for very much longer with some of their present policies.
You think shoplifting is why Big Lots is in the toilet?
Depends on how much shrinkage of inventory they can sustain. I do know shoplifting is becoming a huge problem for retail establishments. I do know that an increasing # of future 5 finger discounters have figured out no one is going to stop them. So what your clumsily trying to say is that retail theft is NBD...got it...
cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Sat Jun 08, 2024 6:51 am
There was an interesting event last week at a local Big Lots Store near our house. A shop lifter in the process of leaving the store with his bag of goodies punched the assistant manager in the face. The manager, witnessing the assault called police and followed the bad actor into the parking lot. The police were unable to locate the individual. Two weeks later the manager was fired for violating Big Lots policy by calling the police without approval by his district manager. Big Lots policy is to not impede or interfere or confront any shop lifter. Even if that individual assaults one of your employees. If I was a shoplifter I would do all of my thieving at Big Lots. They are shoplifter friendly for sure. If you ask nicely they might even give you a bag to put your goodies in. It is quite the dilemma for Big Lots. They don't want to confront these people out of fear of them becoming violent. The down side is they are being shop lifted out of existence. These bad actors understand store policy and will happily take advantage of it. It has to be frustrating for any manager to just watch stolen merchandise walking out the door and all you can do is watch and then make a report to upper management. Who said crime doesn't pay because apparently it does.
FTR for what it is worth, I use to shop at this same Big Lots store fairly frequently. I didn't know the manager in question. I do know in the year or so he was the manager of that store he busted his ass and turned it from a chaotic mess into a well run and organized store. This Big Lots is a stones throw away from the Wegmans I shop at every week. The Wegman family has taken a different approach, if you try to walk out of their store with a bag full of stolen merchandise you will meet the asset protection people up close and personal. Why Big Lots has chosen this path to bankruptcy is painfully clear. They are more concerned about a violent and combative thief being injured and suing the crap out of them. The moral of the story is you can be a dedicated store manager who becomes nothing more than a scape goat for corporate America. How frustrating must it be for a store manager to watch his merchandise walking out the front door and all you can do is watch and shake your head. The thief assaulting one of your employees doesn't even change those dynamics. I call this the death of common sense. Whoever said crime doesn't pay should be the new CEO of Big Lots. BTW, I will never shop at Big Lots again not like they will be in business for very much longer with some of their present policies.
You think shoplifting is why Big Lots is in the toilet?
Depends on how much shrinkage of inventory they can sustain. I do know shoplifting is becoming a huge problem for retail establishments. I do know that an increasing # of future 5 finger discounters have figured out no one is going to stop them. So what your clumsily trying to say is that retail theft is NBD...got it...
Hes not saying that hes' questioning your relatively thin business analysis. Otherwise 100% of businesses in NYC from 1965 - 1990 wouldve failed and that didn't happen.
cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Sat Jun 08, 2024 6:51 am
There was an interesting event last week at a local Big Lots Store near our house. A shop lifter in the process of leaving the store with his bag of goodies punched the assistant manager in the face. The manager, witnessing the assault called police and followed the bad actor into the parking lot. The police were unable to locate the individual. Two weeks later the manager was fired for violating Big Lots policy by calling the police without approval by his district manager. Big Lots policy is to not impede or interfere or confront any shop lifter. Even if that individual assaults one of your employees. If I was a shoplifter I would do all of my thieving at Big Lots. They are shoplifter friendly for sure. If you ask nicely they might even give you a bag to put your goodies in. It is quite the dilemma for Big Lots. They don't want to confront these people out of fear of them becoming violent. The down side is they are being shop lifted out of existence. These bad actors understand store policy and will happily take advantage of it. It has to be frustrating for any manager to just watch stolen merchandise walking out the door and all you can do is watch and then make a report to upper management. Who said crime doesn't pay because apparently it does.
FTR for what it is worth, I use to shop at this same Big Lots store fairly frequently. I didn't know the manager in question. I do know in the year or so he was the manager of that store he busted his ass and turned it from a chaotic mess into a well run and organized store. This Big Lots is a stones throw away from the Wegmans I shop at every week. The Wegman family has taken a different approach, if you try to walk out of their store with a bag full of stolen merchandise you will meet the asset protection people up close and personal. Why Big Lots has chosen this path to bankruptcy is painfully clear. They are more concerned about a violent and combative thief being injured and suing the crap out of them. The moral of the story is you can be a dedicated store manager who becomes nothing more than a scape goat for corporate America. How frustrating must it be for a store manager to watch his merchandise walking out the front door and all you can do is watch and shake your head. The thief assaulting one of your employees doesn't even change those dynamics. I call this the death of common sense. Whoever said crime doesn't pay should be the new CEO of Big Lots. BTW, I will never shop at Big Lots again not like they will be in business for very much longer with some of their present policies.
You think shoplifting is why Big Lots is in the toilet?
Depends on how much shrinkage of inventory they can sustain. I do know shoplifting is becoming a huge problem for retail establishments. I do know that an increasing # of future 5 finger discounters have figured out no one is going to stop them. So what your clumsily trying to say is that retail theft is NBD...got it...
Hes not saying that hes' questioning your relatively thin business analysis. Otherwise 100% of businesses in NYC from 1965 - 1990 wouldve failed and that didn't happen.
If the Big Lots store I am speaking about goes OOB then my business analysis becomes irrelevant to something both you and I might refer to as reality. Your a business and financial guy. How much shrinkage can a retail store like Big Lots survive? The point you may have missed or glossed over was this... The manager that was fired was transferred by Big Lots to help out this store that was struggling terribly for a number of reasons. He did an excellent job from what I could see. The store while under his management has become squared away. The Big Lots policy about how they deal with shoplifting is their business. In this instance one of his employees was assaulted as the alleged shoplifter left the premises. This was no longer simply an issue dealing with a shoplifter it became an assault on a Big Lots employee. Bottom line is the manager was fired and if this particular Big Lots store stays open until December I will be impressed. FTR when this store goes OOB I will keep you in the loop in regards to my " thin business" analysis. I may not have a doctorate in finance but I spent 45 years working in food service in regards to restaurants and retail stores. When a bunch of dumbasses took over the old Jillian's in downtown Rochester I installed all of the beverage dispensers in that location. I paid very close attention to what their business model was going to be. I predicted they would be OOB in 6 months. I was wrong, they lasted for 4 months.
BTW I mentioned to you awhile back about the owner of Nick Tahous selling the historic restaurant building. It could be a money pit but it is a magnificent old building. I bet if you looked at closely you would agree it has serious possibilities.
cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Sat Jun 08, 2024 6:51 am
There was an interesting event last week at a local Big Lots Store near our house. A shop lifter in the process of leaving the store with his bag of goodies punched the assistant manager in the face. The manager, witnessing the assault called police and followed the bad actor into the parking lot. The police were unable to locate the individual. Two weeks later the manager was fired for violating Big Lots policy by calling the police without approval by his district manager. Big Lots policy is to not impede or interfere or confront any shop lifter. Even if that individual assaults one of your employees. If I was a shoplifter I would do all of my thieving at Big Lots. They are shoplifter friendly for sure. If you ask nicely they might even give you a bag to put your goodies in. It is quite the dilemma for Big Lots. They don't want to confront these people out of fear of them becoming violent. The down side is they are being shop lifted out of existence. These bad actors understand store policy and will happily take advantage of it. It has to be frustrating for any manager to just watch stolen merchandise walking out the door and all you can do is watch and then make a report to upper management. Who said crime doesn't pay because apparently it does.
FTR for what it is worth, I use to shop at this same Big Lots store fairly frequently. I didn't know the manager in question. I do know in the year or so he was the manager of that store he busted his ass and turned it from a chaotic mess into a well run and organized store. This Big Lots is a stones throw away from the Wegmans I shop at every week. The Wegman family has taken a different approach, if you try to walk out of their store with a bag full of stolen merchandise you will meet the asset protection people up close and personal. Why Big Lots has chosen this path to bankruptcy is painfully clear. They are more concerned about a violent and combative thief being injured and suing the crap out of them. The moral of the story is you can be a dedicated store manager who becomes nothing more than a scape goat for corporate America. How frustrating must it be for a store manager to watch his merchandise walking out the front door and all you can do is watch and shake your head. The thief assaulting one of your employees doesn't even change those dynamics. I call this the death of common sense. Whoever said crime doesn't pay should be the new CEO of Big Lots. BTW, I will never shop at Big Lots again not like they will be in business for very much longer with some of their present policies.
You think shoplifting is why Big Lots is in the toilet?
Depends on how much shrinkage of inventory they can sustain. I do know shoplifting is becoming a huge problem for retail establishments. I do know that an increasing # of future 5 finger discounters have figured out no one is going to stop them. So what your clumsily trying to say is that retail theft is NBD...got it...
Hes not saying that hes' questioning your relatively thin business analysis. Otherwise 100% of businesses in NYC from 1965 - 1990 wouldve failed and that didn't happen.
If the Big Lots store I am speaking about goes OOB then my business analysis becomes irrelevant to something both you and I might refer to as reality. Your a business and financial guy. How much shrinkage can a retail store like Big Lots survive? The point you may have missed or glossed over was this... The manager that was fired was transferred by Big Lots to help out this store that was struggling terribly for a number of reasons. He did an excellent job from what I could see. The store while under his management has become squared away. The Big Lots policy about how they deal with shoplifting is their business. In this instance one of his employees was assaulted as the alleged shoplifter left the premises. This was no longer simply an issue dealing with a shoplifter it became an assault on a Big Lots employee. Bottom line is the manager was fired and if this particular Big Lots store stays open until December I will be impressed. FTR when this store goes OOB I will keep you in the loop in regards to my " thin business" analysis. I may not have a doctorate in finance but I spent 45 years working in food service in regards to restaurants and retail stores. When a bunch of dumbasses took over the old Jillian's in downtown Rochester I installed all of the beverage dispensers in that location. I paid very close attention to what their business model was going to be. I predicted they would be OOB in 6 months. I was wrong, they lasted for 4 months.
BTW I mentioned to you awhile back about the owner of Nick Tahous selling the historic restaurant building. It could be a money pit but it is a magnificent old building. I bet if you looked at closely you would agree it has serious possibilities.
All that doesn’t change anything. You could trip across the right outcome and be wrong in your analysis. But I know you don’t get that and aren’t trying to get it. FFG says as matter of fact with maybe a hint of fatigue form trying previously not insulting it’s how you like it. Trust me I learned if just fine with your expert analysis and masters in hard knocks as it relates to mental health and the science an ditching of addiction. Plus like 75 other topics. But I suppose I occasionally still try because I thinj your good people under the willful ignorance you enjoy like a warm blanket in a cold, scary and dark winter.
cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Sat Jun 08, 2024 6:51 am
There was an interesting event last week at a local Big Lots Store near our house. A shop lifter in the process of leaving the store with his bag of goodies punched the assistant manager in the face. The manager, witnessing the assault called police and followed the bad actor into the parking lot. The police were unable to locate the individual. Two weeks later the manager was fired for violating Big Lots policy by calling the police without approval by his district manager. Big Lots policy is to not impede or interfere or confront any shop lifter. Even if that individual assaults one of your employees. If I was a shoplifter I would do all of my thieving at Big Lots. They are shoplifter friendly for sure. If you ask nicely they might even give you a bag to put your goodies in. It is quite the dilemma for Big Lots. They don't want to confront these people out of fear of them becoming violent. The down side is they are being shop lifted out of existence. These bad actors understand store policy and will happily take advantage of it. It has to be frustrating for any manager to just watch stolen merchandise walking out the door and all you can do is watch and then make a report to upper management. Who said crime doesn't pay because apparently it does.
FTR for what it is worth, I use to shop at this same Big Lots store fairly frequently. I didn't know the manager in question. I do know in the year or so he was the manager of that store he busted his ass and turned it from a chaotic mess into a well run and organized store. This Big Lots is a stones throw away from the Wegmans I shop at every week. The Wegman family has taken a different approach, if you try to walk out of their store with a bag full of stolen merchandise you will meet the asset protection people up close and personal. Why Big Lots has chosen this path to bankruptcy is painfully clear. They are more concerned about a violent and combative thief being injured and suing the crap out of them. The moral of the story is you can be a dedicated store manager who becomes nothing more than a scape goat for corporate America. How frustrating must it be for a store manager to watch his merchandise walking out the front door and all you can do is watch and shake your head. The thief assaulting one of your employees doesn't even change those dynamics. I call this the death of common sense. Whoever said crime doesn't pay should be the new CEO of Big Lots. BTW, I will never shop at Big Lots again not like they will be in business for very much longer with some of their present policies.
You think shoplifting is why Big Lots is in the toilet?
Depends on how much shrinkage of inventory they can sustain. I do know shoplifting is becoming a huge problem for retail establishments. I do know that an increasing # of future 5 finger discounters have figured out no one is going to stop them. So what your clumsily trying to say is that retail theft is NBD...got it...
Hes not saying that hes' questioning your relatively thin business analysis. Otherwise 100% of businesses in NYC from 1965 - 1990 wouldve failed and that didn't happen.
If the Big Lots store I am speaking about goes OOB then my business analysis becomes irrelevant to something both you and I might refer to as reality. Your a business and financial guy. How much shrinkage can a retail store like Big Lots survive? The point you may have missed or glossed over was this... The manager that was fired was transferred by Big Lots to help out this store that was struggling terribly for a number of reasons. He did an excellent job from what I could see. The store while under his management has become squared away. The Big Lots policy about how they deal with shoplifting is their business. In this instance one of his employees was assaulted as the alleged shoplifter left the premises. This was no longer simply an issue dealing with a shoplifter it became an assault on a Big Lots employee. Bottom line is the manager was fired and if this particular Big Lots store stays open until December I will be impressed. FTR when this store goes OOB I will keep you in the loop in regards to my " thin business" analysis. I may not have a doctorate in finance but I spent 45 years working in food service in regards to restaurants and retail stores. When a bunch of dumbasses took over the old Jillian's in downtown Rochester I installed all of the beverage dispensers in that location. I paid very close attention to what their business model was going to be. I predicted they would be OOB in 6 months. I was wrong, they lasted for 4 months.
BTW I mentioned to you awhile back about the owner of Nick Tahous selling the historic restaurant building. It could be a money pit but it is a magnificent old building. I bet if you looked at closely you would agree it has serious possibilities.
All that doesn’t change anything. You could trip across the right outcome and be wrong in your analysis. But I know you don’t get that and aren’t trying to get it. FFG says as matter of fact with maybe a hint of fatigue form trying previously not insulting it’s how you like it. Trust me I learned if just fine with your expert analysis and masters in hard knocks as it relates to mental health and the science an ditching of addiction. Plus like 75 other topics. But I suppose I occasionally still try because I thinj your good people under the willful ignorance you enjoy like a warm blanket in a cold, scary and dark winter.
So somewhere in your psychoanalysis of me you lost tract of my question. I'll try it one more time... How much inventory shrinkage can a retail store like Big Lots absorb? That is after all the entire point of my post. Do you wish to give a clear and concise answer?
cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Sat Jun 08, 2024 6:51 am
There was an interesting event last week at a local Big Lots Store near our house. A shop lifter in the process of leaving the store with his bag of goodies punched the assistant manager in the face. The manager, witnessing the assault called police and followed the bad actor into the parking lot. The police were unable to locate the individual. Two weeks later the manager was fired for violating Big Lots policy by calling the police without approval by his district manager. Big Lots policy is to not impede or interfere or confront any shop lifter. Even if that individual assaults one of your employees. If I was a shoplifter I would do all of my thieving at Big Lots. They are shoplifter friendly for sure. If you ask nicely they might even give you a bag to put your goodies in. It is quite the dilemma for Big Lots. They don't want to confront these people out of fear of them becoming violent. The down side is they are being shop lifted out of existence. These bad actors understand store policy and will happily take advantage of it. It has to be frustrating for any manager to just watch stolen merchandise walking out the door and all you can do is watch and then make a report to upper management. Who said crime doesn't pay because apparently it does.
FTR for what it is worth, I use to shop at this same Big Lots store fairly frequently. I didn't know the manager in question. I do know in the year or so he was the manager of that store he busted his ass and turned it from a chaotic mess into a well run and organized store. This Big Lots is a stones throw away from the Wegmans I shop at every week. The Wegman family has taken a different approach, if you try to walk out of their store with a bag full of stolen merchandise you will meet the asset protection people up close and personal. Why Big Lots has chosen this path to bankruptcy is painfully clear. They are more concerned about a violent and combative thief being injured and suing the crap out of them. The moral of the story is you can be a dedicated store manager who becomes nothing more than a scape goat for corporate America. How frustrating must it be for a store manager to watch his merchandise walking out the front door and all you can do is watch and shake your head. The thief assaulting one of your employees doesn't even change those dynamics. I call this the death of common sense. Whoever said crime doesn't pay should be the new CEO of Big Lots. BTW, I will never shop at Big Lots again not like they will be in business for very much longer with some of their present policies.
You think shoplifting is why Big Lots is in the toilet?
Depends on how much shrinkage of inventory they can sustain. I do know shoplifting is becoming a huge problem for retail establishments. I do know that an increasing # of future 5 finger discounters have figured out no one is going to stop them. So what your clumsily trying to say is that retail theft is NBD...got it...
Hes not saying that hes' questioning your relatively thin business analysis. Otherwise 100% of businesses in NYC from 1965 - 1990 wouldve failed and that didn't happen.
If the Big Lots store I am speaking about goes OOB then my business analysis becomes irrelevant to something both you and I might refer to as reality. Your a business and financial guy. How much shrinkage can a retail store like Big Lots survive? The point you may have missed or glossed over was this... The manager that was fired was transferred by Big Lots to help out this store that was struggling terribly for a number of reasons. He did an excellent job from what I could see. The store while under his management has become squared away. The Big Lots policy about how they deal with shoplifting is their business. In this instance one of his employees was assaulted as the alleged shoplifter left the premises. This was no longer simply an issue dealing with a shoplifter it became an assault on a Big Lots employee. Bottom line is the manager was fired and if this particular Big Lots store stays open until December I will be impressed. FTR when this store goes OOB I will keep you in the loop in regards to my " thin business" analysis. I may not have a doctorate in finance but I spent 45 years working in food service in regards to restaurants and retail stores. When a bunch of dumbasses took over the old Jillian's in downtown Rochester I installed all of the beverage dispensers in that location. I paid very close attention to what their business model was going to be. I predicted they would be OOB in 6 months. I was wrong, they lasted for 4 months.
BTW I mentioned to you awhile back about the owner of Nick Tahous selling the historic restaurant building. It could be a money pit but it is a magnificent old building. I bet if you looked at closely you would agree it has serious possibilities.
All that doesn’t change anything. You could trip across the right outcome and be wrong in your analysis. But I know you don’t get that and aren’t trying to get it. FFG says as matter of fact with maybe a hint of fatigue form trying previously not insulting it’s how you like it. Trust me I learned if just fine with your expert analysis and masters in hard knocks as it relates to mental health and the science an ditching of addiction. Plus like 75 other topics. But I suppose I occasionally still try because I thinj your good people under the willful ignorance you enjoy like a warm blanket in a cold, scary and dark winter.
So somewhere in your psychoanalysis of me you lost tract of my question. I'll try it one more time... How much inventory shrinkage can a retail store like Big Lots absorb? That is after all the entire point of my post. Do you wish to give a clear and concise answer?
The average retail shrink is 1.2%. Big Lots problem isn’t theft. Poor management and an outdated business model. A well run company can probably withstand 5% shrinkage (an astronomical number) and be ok if efficient. The average store should be able to withstand $410 a day in shoplifting. 150,000 a year x 1,329 stores equals about $200,000,000 in lost sales. Bug lots problem is $200,000,000 in sales. Look for yourself:
Brooklyn wrote: ↑Sat Jun 08, 2024 6:02 pm
^ All that reminds me of how right wingers accused feminists of double standards when they failed to condemn Billy Jeff Clinton for sexually harassing women (he, at least, later apologized). Not surprisingly while they were clothed in the white robes of moral rectitude, the right wingers failed to condemn tRump for his boastful puuuuussy grabbing (he, unapologetic). As always with the right wingnut delusionals double standards are the order of the day.
This is every bit ugly as the the equivocation on the right and why younger so little support. Because this behavior will turn your cohort on the left further towards populist authoritarianism as you compete the circle with maga by not holding your own accountsbility and consistently distracting from self accountability required to have any moral or other authority instead of screaming form the internet until death.
cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Sat Jun 08, 2024 6:51 am
There was an interesting event last week at a local Big Lots Store near our house. A shop lifter in the process of leaving the store with his bag of goodies punched the assistant manager in the face. The manager, witnessing the assault called police and followed the bad actor into the parking lot. The police were unable to locate the individual. Two weeks later the manager was fired for violating Big Lots policy by calling the police without approval by his district manager. Big Lots policy is to not impede or interfere or confront any shop lifter. Even if that individual assaults one of your employees. If I was a shoplifter I would do all of my thieving at Big Lots. They are shoplifter friendly for sure. If you ask nicely they might even give you a bag to put your goodies in. It is quite the dilemma for Big Lots. They don't want to confront these people out of fear of them becoming violent. The down side is they are being shop lifted out of existence. These bad actors understand store policy and will happily take advantage of it. It has to be frustrating for any manager to just watch stolen merchandise walking out the door and all you can do is watch and then make a report to upper management. Who said crime doesn't pay because apparently it does.
FTR for what it is worth, I use to shop at this same Big Lots store fairly frequently. I didn't know the manager in question. I do know in the year or so he was the manager of that store he busted his ass and turned it from a chaotic mess into a well run and organized store. This Big Lots is a stones throw away from the Wegmans I shop at every week. The Wegman family has taken a different approach, if you try to walk out of their store with a bag full of stolen merchandise you will meet the asset protection people up close and personal. Why Big Lots has chosen this path to bankruptcy is painfully clear. They are more concerned about a violent and combative thief being injured and suing the crap out of them. The moral of the story is you can be a dedicated store manager who becomes nothing more than a scape goat for corporate America. How frustrating must it be for a store manager to watch his merchandise walking out the front door and all you can do is watch and shake your head. The thief assaulting one of your employees doesn't even change those dynamics. I call this the death of common sense. Whoever said crime doesn't pay should be the new CEO of Big Lots. BTW, I will never shop at Big Lots again not like they will be in business for very much longer with some of their present policies.
You think shoplifting is why Big Lots is in the toilet?
Depends on how much shrinkage of inventory they can sustain. I do know shoplifting is becoming a huge problem for retail establishments. I do know that an increasing # of future 5 finger discounters have figured out no one is going to stop them. So what your clumsily trying to say is that retail theft is NBD...got it...
Hes not saying that hes' questioning your relatively thin business analysis. Otherwise 100% of businesses in NYC from 1965 - 1990 wouldve failed and that didn't happen.
If the Big Lots store I am speaking about goes OOB then my business analysis becomes irrelevant to something both you and I might refer to as reality. Your a business and financial guy. How much shrinkage can a retail store like Big Lots survive? The point you may have missed or glossed over was this... The manager that was fired was transferred by Big Lots to help out this store that was struggling terribly for a number of reasons. He did an excellent job from what I could see. The store while under his management has become squared away. The Big Lots policy about how they deal with shoplifting is their business. In this instance one of his employees was assaulted as the alleged shoplifter left the premises. This was no longer simply an issue dealing with a shoplifter it became an assault on a Big Lots employee. Bottom line is the manager was fired and if this particular Big Lots store stays open until December I will be impressed. FTR when this store goes OOB I will keep you in the loop in regards to my " thin business" analysis. I may not have a doctorate in finance but I spent 45 years working in food service in regards to restaurants and retail stores. When a bunch of dumbasses took over the old Jillian's in downtown Rochester I installed all of the beverage dispensers in that location. I paid very close attention to what their business model was going to be. I predicted they would be OOB in 6 months. I was wrong, they lasted for 4 months.
BTW I mentioned to you awhile back about the owner of Nick Tahous selling the historic restaurant building. It could be a money pit but it is a magnificent old building. I bet if you looked at closely you would agree it has serious possibilities.
All that doesn’t change anything. You could trip across the right outcome and be wrong in your analysis. But I know you don’t get that and aren’t trying to get it. FFG says as matter of fact with maybe a hint of fatigue form trying previously not insulting it’s how you like it. Trust me I learned if just fine with your expert analysis and masters in hard knocks as it relates to mental health and the science an ditching of addiction. Plus like 75 other topics. But I suppose I occasionally still try because I thinj your good people under the willful ignorance you enjoy like a warm blanket in a cold, scary and dark winter.
So somewhere in your psychoanalysis of me you lost tract of my question. I'll try it one more time... How much inventory shrinkage can a retail store like Big Lots absorb? That is after all the entire point of my post. Do you wish to give a clear and concise answer?
I mean this is just silly I lived in high yield for a number of years where retail is a common industry represented. You want me to run circles around you on this topic and you know it or just accept your anecdotal local store analysis is lacking. I’m not answering because you ever read mortally or the to understand so it is just you wanting to waste my time for no useful outcome. That’s why I’m not bothering. I’ve been explain credit products and trade / supply chain finance all last week often to execs or c suites at major public financial institutions (CPACE tax lien financing on a BK biodiesel plant, bidding on a existing lending business in the Midwest with a friends LP investor money, how you get incremental support by both factoring and taking a promissory note from the buyer in short term credit. Have a call on Weds with a CFO to explain how risk weighting works and structure of “on balance sheet securitization”. And I even once underwrote a loan on a. Couple of “anchored” (big lots doesn’t fit the definition of anchor but drives a light amount of traffic to the “in line tenants” and has to
Do a global occupancy costs analysis to see if rents were healthy or hitting the tenant (Big Lots) and makes shutting those specific stores down more at risk if they weren’t strategic and operating less efficiently on the margin.
I’ll give you a takedown if you promise and honor liek a man that promise to truly try and understand. I stink do business analysis on “man that’s store has some bad urban teens walking around it”…
I may not have a doctorate in finance but I spent 45 years working in food service in regards to restaurants and retail stores. When a bunch of dumbasses took over the old Jillian's in downtown Rochester I installed all of the beverage dispensers in that location. I paid very close attention to what their business model was going to be. I predicted they would be OOB in 6 months. I was wrong, they lasted for 4 months.