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renault wrote: ↑Mon May 23, 2022 1:47 pm

RURICK wrote: ↑Mon May 23, 2022 1:32 pm njlaxx11, I agree but why is it outlandish to think we get Handley? Please explain.

Because if you're a 1st Team AA Penn grad looking to get a bogus one-year "management" degree, places like Duke and UVA (or Notre Dame, whatever) are way more attractive than Rutgers, no matter how well Rutgers is doing this year.

Njlaxx11 wrote: ↑Mon May 23, 2022 7:31 pm

renault wrote: ↑Mon May 23, 2022 1:47 pm

RURICK wrote: ↑Mon May 23, 2022 1:32 pm njlaxx11, I agree but why is it outlandish to think we get Handley? Please explain.

Because if you're a 1st Team AA Penn grad looking to get a bogus one-year "management" degree, places like Duke and UVA (or Notre Dame, whatever) are way more attractive than Rutgers, no matter how well Rutgers is doing this year.

I actually will disagree with you here. RU has an excellent graduate program - it’s part of the reason they’ve been so successful in the portal. I just think handley to RU isn’t a reality - while I would love it though. Maybe Mitch gets in his ear…

Njlaxx11 wrote: ↑Mon May 23, 2022 7:32 pm Has anything official on Conlin to ND come out? Or just hearsay from my comments on page 1?

renault wrote: ↑Mon May 23, 2022 1:47 pm Because if you're a 1st Team AA Penn grad looking to get a bogus one-year "management" degree, places like Duke and UVA (or Notre Dame, whatever) are way more attractive than Rutgers, no matter how well Rutgers is doing this year.

Homer wrote: ↑Tue May 24, 2022 12:16 am

renault wrote: ↑Mon May 23, 2022 1:47 pm Because if you're a 1st Team AA Penn grad looking to get a bogus one-year "management" degree, places like Duke and UVA (or Notre Dame, whatever) are way more attractive than Rutgers, no matter how well Rutgers is doing this year.

I have a question that's probably going to sound facetious or off-topic, though I really don't mean it to be. I wonder if somebody could give me a quick 101-level overview of the world of bogus one-year "management" degrees?

I mean, I know plenty of people with MBAs, but they all got them in what I think of as the traditional way -- applied several years post-college after significant work experience. There, my sense of their basic intellectual seriousness and focus more or less tracks where the schools they went to show up in the rankings. E.g., my sophomore year roommate was the most self-disciplined guy I've ever met: would talk my ear off about business strategy until 9:30 PM, at which point -- oops, time to sleep, goodnight. He went to Booth.

But when we're talking about lacrosse players moving on from their undergrad school and becoming a degree candidate and eligible athlete at a new school, we're not talking about that, right? I mean, I remember it being a big deal that Connor Buczek actually got into Cornell's MBA program straight out of undergrad -- that was very rare in itself -- and he was balancing that against playing in the MLL, not the much more stringent demands of playing for a college team.

So the typical thing for a grad transfer parachuting into a new school, I guess, is to get a bogus one-year "management" degree. Questions about that:

1. Do all business schools offer such degrees? From idle googling, it seems like Fuqua and Mendoza put them front and center; it's not obvious if Wharton or Darden offer them at all.

2. To the extent such degrees are valuable, does where you got it from really matter?

3. To the extent where you got it from does matter, do the business school rankings you find on USNWR (which I assume are mostly focused on MBAs) accurately capture the prestige hierarchy of bogus one-year "management" degrees? Or are there some places that are more respected for bogus one-year "management" degrees than they are for business education generally? Or vice versa?

wgdsr wrote: ↑Mon May 23, 2022 10:08 pm

Njlaxx11 wrote: ↑Mon May 23, 2022 7:32 pm Has anything official on Conlin to ND come out? Or just hearsay from my comments on page 1?

https://lacrossebucket.com/2022/05/16/g ... e-in-2023/

Njlaxx11 wrote: ↑Tue May 24, 2022 7:36 am

wgdsr wrote: ↑Mon May 23, 2022 10:08 pm

Njlaxx11 wrote: ↑Mon May 23, 2022 7:32 pm Has anything official on Conlin to ND come out? Or just hearsay from my comments on page 1?

https://lacrossebucket.com/2022/05/16/g ... e-in-2023/

Awesome

Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Tue May 24, 2022 6:37 am

Homer wrote: ↑Tue May 24, 2022 12:16 am

renault wrote: ↑Mon May 23, 2022 1:47 pm Because if you're a 1st Team AA Penn grad looking to get a bogus one-year "management" degree, places like Duke and UVA (or Notre Dame, whatever) are way more attractive than Rutgers, no matter how well Rutgers is doing this year.

I have a question that's probably going to sound facetious or off-topic, though I really don't mean it to be. I wonder if somebody could give me a quick 101-level overview of the world of bogus one-year "management" degrees?

I mean, I know plenty of people with MBAs, but they all got them in what I think of as the traditional way -- applied several years post-college after significant work experience. There, my sense of their basic intellectual seriousness and focus more or less tracks where the schools they went to show up in the rankings. E.g., my sophomore year roommate was the most self-disciplined guy I've ever met: would talk my ear off about business strategy until 9:30 PM, at which point -- oops, time to sleep, goodnight. He went to Booth.

But when we're talking about lacrosse players moving on from their undergrad school and becoming a degree candidate and eligible athlete at a new school, we're not talking about that, right? I mean, I remember it being a big deal that Connor Buczek actually got into Cornell's MBA program straight out of undergrad -- that was very rare in itself -- and he was balancing that against playing in the MLL, not the much more stringent demands of playing for a college team.

So the typical thing for a grad transfer parachuting into a new school, I guess, is to get a bogus one-year "management" degree. Questions about that:

1. Do all business schools offer such degrees? From idle googling, it seems like Fuqua and Mendoza put them front and center; it's not obvious if Wharton or Darden offer them at all.

2. To the extent such degrees are valuable, does where you got it from really matter?

3. To the extent where you got it from does matter, do the business school rankings you find on USNWR (which I assume are mostly focused on MBAs) accurately capture the prestige hierarchy of bogus one-year "management" degrees? Or are there some places that are more respected for bogus one-year "management" degrees than they are for business education generally? Or vice versa?

They are pieces of paper. I got an MBA w less than 2yrs full time post Bachelors work experience (picked up a new PT job that was +/- 40-50hrs a week ultimately through most of grad school) and can say first hand that if you don’t have 4-5yrs post undergrad you’re wasting the opportunity and only scratching the potential capacity of an MBA program which is functionally to career transition and teaching one how to be middle management though it’s largely been bastardized, especially finance focused MBA programs in the top 25, by kids who do 2-3yrs building pitchbooks on deals until 3am and generally being hazed by their MD then go back into IBanking/pe as an associate because they couldn’t make the “A to A” directly.

But how could you manage or understand how to manage anything other than drug and alcohol consumption at 24-25? If that?

Young Warrior wrote: ↑Tue May 24, 2022 8:05 am

Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Tue May 24, 2022 6:37 am

Homer wrote: ↑Tue May 24, 2022 12:16 am

renault wrote: ↑Mon May 23, 2022 1:47 pm Because if you're a 1st Team AA Penn grad looking to get a bogus one-year "management" degree, places like Duke and UVA (or Notre Dame, whatever) are way more attractive than Rutgers, no matter how well Rutgers is doing this year.

I have a question that's probably going to sound facetious or off-topic, though I really don't mean it to be. I wonder if somebody could give me a quick 101-level overview of the world of bogus one-year "management" degrees?

I mean, I know plenty of people with MBAs, but they all got them in what I think of as the traditional way -- applied several years post-college after significant work experience. There, my sense of their basic intellectual seriousness and focus more or less tracks where the schools they went to show up in the rankings. E.g., my sophomore year roommate was the most self-disciplined guy I've ever met: would talk my ear off about business strategy until 9:30 PM, at which point -- oops, time to sleep, goodnight. He went to Booth.

But when we're talking about lacrosse players moving on from their undergrad school and becoming a degree candidate and eligible athlete at a new school, we're not talking about that, right? I mean, I remember it being a big deal that Connor Buczek actually got into Cornell's MBA program straight out of undergrad -- that was very rare in itself -- and he was balancing that against playing in the MLL, not the much more stringent demands of playing for a college team.

So the typical thing for a grad transfer parachuting into a new school, I guess, is to get a bogus one-year "management" degree. Questions about that:

1. Do all business schools offer such degrees? From idle googling, it seems like Fuqua and Mendoza put them front and center; it's not obvious if Wharton or Darden offer them at all.

2. To the extent such degrees are valuable, does where you got it from really matter?

3. To the extent where you got it from does matter, do the business school rankings you find on USNWR (which I assume are mostly focused on MBAs) accurately capture the prestige hierarchy of bogus one-year "management" degrees? Or are there some places that are more respected for bogus one-year "management" degrees than they are for business education generally? Or vice versa?

They are pieces of paper. I got an MBA w less than 2yrs full time post Bachelors work experience (picked up a new PT job that was +/- 40-50hrs a week ultimately through most of grad school) and can say first hand that if you don’t have 4-5yrs post undergrad you’re wasting the opportunity and only scratching the potential capacity of an MBA program which is functionally to career transition and teaching one how to be middle management though it’s largely been bastardized, especially finance focused MBA programs in the top 25, by kids who do 2-3yrs building pitchbooks on deals until 3am and generally being hazed by their MD then go back into IBanking/pe as an associate because they couldn’t make the “A to A” directly.

But how could you manage or understand how to manage anything other than drug and alcohol consumption at 24-25? If that?

The counter to all of that depending on where you did undergrad and the jobs that degree did or didnt unlock for you, there may be value in doing the one year and being able to use the job placement resources/network of ND, UVA, Michigan, Duke etc....

Hoya wrote: ↑Tue May 24, 2022 11:10 am I enjoy the talk about relative future value of these degrees coming straight from undergrad.

That being said, it’s probably just awesome to be given another year to do something you love (lacrosse) and get a degree from an elite school while you do it. I would definitely tell my younger self to go enjoy being a college student for another year in the same situation.

Hoya wrote: ↑Tue May 24, 2022 11:10 am I enjoy the talk about relative future value of these degrees coming straight from undergrad.

That being said, it’s probably just awesome to be given another year to do something you love (lacrosse) and get a degree from an elite school while you do it. I would definitely tell my younger self to go enjoy being a college student for another year in the same situation.