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Matnum PI wrote: ↑Thu Sep 05, 2019 10:50 am Another impressive thing about the Terps. From 2005 until today, every year, Maryland's been a single digit ranked team. Every year except 2007 and 2009. A decade plus ago and, both these seasons, they were ranked #11. That's pretty impressive. (Notre Dame is similar, which is why they're ranked #3 on this list, but, obviously, they have less top-top rankings than Maryland and Duke.) Most every other team has at least one clunker. Even Duke, when they were ranked #22 in 2006.

keno in reno wrote: ↑Fri Sep 06, 2019 10:00 pm Now if you close the window from 2011 to 2019, Maryland moves up a bit, but still Duke and UVA are ahead. UVA's 2011 National Championship was pretty random (they had a lot of problems during and before that season) but it still counts infinitely more than any other result.

It does not diminish the fact that Tillman and Maryland have "been the best" or at least close to it, but historically speaking they are on par with UNC, Loyola, Denver and Yale in the single measure that matters. Tillman is great and Maryland lacrosse is great.

Cooter wrote: ↑Sat Sep 07, 2019 10:42 am

keno in reno wrote: ↑Fri Sep 06, 2019 10:00 pm Now if you close the window from 2011 to 2019, Maryland moves up a bit, but still Duke and UVA are ahead. UVA's 2011 National Championship was pretty random (they had a lot of problems during and before that season) but it still counts infinitely more than any other result.

It does not diminish the fact that Tillman and Maryland have "been the best" or at least close to it, but historically speaking they are on par with UNC, Loyola, Denver and Yale in the single measure that matters. Tillman is great and Maryland lacrosse is great.

That is your way of evaluating it, based solely on winning titles. Titles are worth the most, but are not worth infinitely worth more than other results.
There are negative results like having losing seasons also.

keno in reno wrote: ↑Sun Sep 08, 2019 3:04 pm

Cooter wrote: ↑Sat Sep 07, 2019 10:42 am

keno in reno wrote: ↑Fri Sep 06, 2019 10:00 pm Now if you close the window from 2011 to 2019, Maryland moves up a bit, but still Duke and UVA are ahead. UVA's 2011 National Championship was pretty random (they had a lot of problems during and before that season) but it still counts infinitely more than any other result.

It does not diminish the fact that Tillman and Maryland have "been the best" or at least close to it, but historically speaking they are on par with UNC, Loyola, Denver and Yale in the single measure that matters. Tillman is great and Maryland lacrosse is great.

That is your way of evaluating it, based solely on winning titles. Titles are worth the most, but are not worth infinitely worth more than other results.
There are negative results like having losing seasons also.

That's fine. Fans by nature are homers, and by nature they will see things through a favorable lens. There is almost an entire decade of great achievements that Tillman's Terps teams have achieved, and I certainly love it and appreciate his greatness.

But, history shows that only championships matter in any sport. The Caps are not a better franchise than the Penguins or the Blackhawks, though they have probably had more wins and fewer crappy years over the past decade. The Nats should be a better franchise than San Francisco based on bad seasons or wins, but SF blows them away historically. Not sure why championships is a difficult concept to use as an unbiased measure of success.

Cooter wrote: ↑Sun Sep 08, 2019 3:15 pm

keno in reno wrote: ↑Sun Sep 08, 2019 3:04 pm

Cooter wrote: ↑Sat Sep 07, 2019 10:42 am

keno in reno wrote: ↑Fri Sep 06, 2019 10:00 pm Now if you close the window from 2011 to 2019, Maryland moves up a bit, but still Duke and UVA are ahead. UVA's 2011 National Championship was pretty random (they had a lot of problems during and before that season) but it still counts infinitely more than any other result.

It does not diminish the fact that Tillman and Maryland have "been the best" or at least close to it, but historically speaking they are on par with UNC, Loyola, Denver and Yale in the single measure that matters. Tillman is great and Maryland lacrosse is great.

That is your way of evaluating it, based solely on winning titles. Titles are worth the most, but are not worth infinitely worth more than other results.
There are negative results like having losing seasons also.

That's fine. Fans by nature are homers, and by nature they will see things through a favorable lens. There is almost an entire decade of great achievements that Tillman's Terps teams have achieved, and I certainly love it and appreciate his greatness.

But, history shows that only championships matter in any sport. The Caps are not a better franchise than the Penguins or the Blackhawks, though they have probably had more wins and fewer crappy years over the past decade. The Nats should be a better franchise than San Francisco based on bad seasons or wins, but SF blows them away historically. Not sure why championships is a difficult concept to use as an unbiased measure of success.

That is your opinion, but I do not feel it is a good opinion.
I am not being a homer, just evaluating things differently than you do.

keno in reno wrote: ↑Sun Sep 08, 2019 3:50 pm
And that's fine. I don't think your opinion is a good opinion simply because you post more opinions than most here.

AreaLax wrote: ↑Thu Sep 12, 2019 1:23 pm IL gave Maryland #5 incoming class

16 Conor Calderone
22 Logan McNany
44 Dylan Pallonetti
45 Jack Sawyer
56 Justin Sherrer
76 Jack Brennan
79 Dawson Wynne

Cooter wrote: ↑Thu Sep 12, 2019 7:38 pm

AreaLax wrote: ↑Thu Sep 12, 2019 1:23 pm IL gave Maryland #5 incoming class

16 Conor Calderone
22 Logan McNany
44 Dylan Pallonetti
45 Jack Sawyer
56 Justin Sherrer
76 Jack Brennan
79 Dawson Wynne

Pretty big jump for Calderone from #66. He had a pretty big year at Smithtown West, and made the final cut for the U-19 team.
McNaney also made a pretty big jump from #43. He looked pretty good there in the UA AA game.
Pallonetti had a rather large drop. It is fair to say that his number were not that high this Spring for Ward Melville. I think he will probably try to play midfield for UMd, so his speed and big left-handed shot look good there.
Jack Sawyer climbed from #78 to #45. I expected him to be a little higher. One of the 5 MIAA US AAs. MIAA attackmen have been doing pretty good in D1 lately. I think I'd put him in the 25 to 30 range.
Justin Sherrer dropped from #41 to #56, needed to score some goals down in GA where he did a backflip or something
Brennan dropped a little from #69 to #76.
Wynne climbed a little from #83 to #79
Kelan Duff dropped out from #73.
I thought maybe Garrett Gibbons with his big year at Massapequa might make the bottom of the top 100.

I wonder if they count Nick DeMaio in UMd's #5 ranking.

AreaLax wrote: ↑Thu Sep 12, 2019 1:23 pm IL gave Maryland #5 incoming class

16 Conor Calderone
22 Logan McNany
44 Dylan Pallonetti
45 Jack Sawyer
56 Justin Sherrer
76 Jack Brennan
79 Dawson Wynne

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Thu Sep 12, 2019 8:24 pm
Do you know what the basis was for the movement from Fall to now? How visible were these players during their Spring seasons? Were the games televised or did the IL staff get game film to evaluate players?