All things CoronaVirus

[MDlaxfan76]

With any hope, this latest variant should put most at ease. Anecdotal....my brother in law, never vaccinated, just tested positive on Wednesday, age late 40's solid health, one night of fever and sweats, just now dealing with cold/congestion symptoms.

That's the problem with anecdotal evidence. You can easily miss the forest when looking at just a few trees nearby.

Sure most cases of Omi are mild. But since there are sooo many cases, the current outlook for the system/nation seem pretty bad.

The lagging indicator of hospitalizations is up 82% in the last two weeks. Currently at about the same level we saw during the January 2021 peak, and projected to keep increasing sharply for the next 3 weeks.

And then we'll get to see what happens to the next lagging indicator -- daily deaths. Up 16% over the past two weeks and projected to go up to 2,000 per day. So about equal to the Delta peak back in September 2021.

The optimistic scenario is that once we get through yet another bad peak of hospitalizations/deaths, things should really improve in March and April. Hopefully, that is when the pandemic ends and we can finally get into the endemic stage (i.e. live with Covid).

That anecdotal evidence is happening all over the place...with Omicron. The messaging was even further convoluted over the weekend when the CDC director was tasked with simple questioning. She honestly admitted that the deaths they are now seeing with Omicron have at least 4 comorbidities with each of them; she has since had to walk that back. I believe it was also her stating the the hospitalization are not from an influx of admission due to Omicron, but are catching it while there.

I am with you though, Omicron is our way out, so long as the safety switch on this variant stays on. And just think.....it'll all be sunshine and rainbows come election time late this summer/early fall just in time for them to take credit for shutting down the virus.

No, it's not accurate to say that all deaths from Omicron have at least 4 co-morbidities with each of them. That would be false, and/or a misstatement. What would be fair is to say that nearly all deaths among those vaccinated and boosted have at least one co-morbidity factor, whether elderly, diabetes, heart disease, or obesity (encompasses 2/3rd of all US adults) or otherwise immunosuppressed...which is a much smaller %. And the number of co-morbidities definitely increases chances, and a lot of overweight people are at least pre-diabetic, often with at least low levels of heart disease, high blood pressure, bad cholesterol, etc....but don't need "at least 4". And the really good news is that if vaccinated and boosted, there is a very, very low chance of death...but not zero.

Those not vaccinated have greatly heightened risk of hospitalization and death from Omicron. Including those without obvious co-morbidity factor (though again, 2/3rd have at least some co-morbidity factor, though many don't recognize that reality). But lower than prior variants, thank goodness.

Problem is that it's so infectious it's getting to the vulnerable at a very fast pace. So, hospitalizations piling up fast...

Not sure where you're getting the "catching it there"...all the reporting is that they're testing for Omicron on all admissions and finding a very high incidence, regardless of whether any Covid related symptoms are part of the reason for admission...doesn't mean that no one is catching Covid in hospital, surely that's happening too, but what they're saying is that a lot of people already have it on admission. Those hospitalizations are not the big problem, they'd be happening anyway, it's the huge surge of Covid-symptom admissions....which is happening mostly in the unvaccinated. Anecdotes aside, that's simply the statistical reality.

The good news is that they're seeing fewer, as a percentage, deaths than in prior waves...but that doesn't mean that hospitalizations aren't really, really costly in all sorts of ways.

Seems to me, thinking positive, this huge level of rapid infectiousness may mean a short duration of the crush in hospitalizations, and then indeed we'll be moving toward an 'endemic' stage...which should be tolerable if the pill therapies become ubiquitous and cheap and rapid testing becomes ubiquitous and cheap. Fingers crossed.

[youthathletics]

With any hope, this latest variant should put most at ease. Anecdotal....my brother in law, never vaccinated, just tested positive on Wednesday, age late 40's solid health, one night of fever and sweats, just now dealing with cold/congestion symptoms.

That's the problem with anecdotal evidence. You can easily miss the forest when looking at just a few trees nearby.

Sure most cases of Omi are mild. But since there are sooo many cases, the current outlook for the system/nation seem pretty bad.

The lagging indicator of hospitalizations is up 82% in the last two weeks. Currently at about the same level we saw during the January 2021 peak, and projected to keep increasing sharply for the next 3 weeks.

And then we'll get to see what happens to the next lagging indicator -- daily deaths. Up 16% over the past two weeks and projected to go up to 2,000 per day. So about equal to the Delta peak back in September 2021.

The optimistic scenario is that once we get through yet another bad peak of hospitalizations/deaths, things should really improve in March and April. Hopefully, that is when the pandemic ends and we can finally get into the endemic stage (i.e. live with Covid).

That anecdotal evidence is happening all over the place...with Omicron. The messaging was even further convoluted over the weekend when the CDC director was tasked with simple questioning. She honestly admitted that the deaths they are now seeing with Omicron have at least 4 comorbidities with each of them; she has since had to walk that back. I believe it was also her stating the the hospitalization are not from an influx of admission due to Omicron, but are catching it while there.

I am with you though, Omicron is our way out, so long as the safety switch on this variant stays on. And just think.....it'll all be sunshine and rainbows come election time late this summer/early fall just in time for them to take credit for shutting down the virus.

No, it's not accurate to say that all deaths from Omicron have at least 4 co-morbidities with each of them. That would be false, and/or a misstatement. What would be fair is to say that nearly all deaths among those vaccinated and boosted have at least one co-morbidity factor, whether elderly, diabetes, heart disease, or obesity (encompasses 2/3rd of all US adults) or otherwise immunosuppressed...which is a much smaller %. And the number of co-morbidities definitely increases chances, and a lot of overweight people are at least pre-diabetic, often with at least low levels of heart disease, high blood pressure, bad cholesterol, etc....but don't need "at least 4". And the really good news is that if vaccinated and boosted, there is a very, very low chance of death...but not zero.

Those not vaccinated have greatly heightened risk of hospitalization and death from Omicron. Including those without obvious co-morbidity factor (though again, 2/3rd have at least some co-morbidity factor, though many don't recognize that reality). But lower than prior variants, thank goodness.

Problem is that it's so infectious it's getting to the vulnerable at a very fast pace. So, hospitalizations piling up fast...

Not sure where you're getting the "catching it there"...all the reporting is that they're testing for Omicron on all admissions and finding a very high incidence, regardless of whether any Covid related symptoms are part of the reason for admission...doesn't mean that no one is catching Covid in hospital, surely that's happening too, but what they're saying is that a lot of people already have it on admission. Those hospitalizations are not the big problem, they'd be happening anyway, it's the huge surge of Covid-symptom admissions....which is happening mostly in the unvaccinated. Anecdotes aside, that's simply the statistical reality.

The good news is that they're seeing fewer, as a percentage, deaths than in prior waves...but that doesn't mean that hospitalizations aren't really, really costly in all sorts of ways.

Seems to me, thinking positive, this huge level of rapid infectiousness may mean a short duration of the crush in hospitalizations, and then indeed we'll be moving toward an 'endemic' stage...which should be tolerable if the pill therapies become ubiquitous and cheap and rapid testing becomes ubiquitous and cheap. Fingers crossed.

You must be getting better....post are much longer again.

Everything you are arguing bold and underlined, came directly from the CDC Head and Fauci.

[MDlaxfan76]

With any hope, this latest variant should put most at ease. Anecdotal....my brother in law, never vaccinated, just tested positive on Wednesday, age late 40's solid health, one night of fever and sweats, just now dealing with cold/congestion symptoms.

That's the problem with anecdotal evidence. You can easily miss the forest when looking at just a few trees nearby.

Sure most cases of Omi are mild. But since there are sooo many cases, the current outlook for the system/nation seem pretty bad.

The lagging indicator of hospitalizations is up 82% in the last two weeks. Currently at about the same level we saw during the January 2021 peak, and projected to keep increasing sharply for the next 3 weeks.

And then we'll get to see what happens to the next lagging indicator -- daily deaths. Up 16% over the past two weeks and projected to go up to 2,000 per day. So about equal to the Delta peak back in September 2021.

The optimistic scenario is that once we get through yet another bad peak of hospitalizations/deaths, things should really improve in March and April. Hopefully, that is when the pandemic ends and we can finally get into the endemic stage (i.e. live with Covid).

That anecdotal evidence is happening all over the place...with Omicron. The messaging was even further convoluted over the weekend when the CDC director was tasked with simple questioning. She honestly admitted that the deaths they are now seeing with Omicron have at least 4 comorbidities with each of them; she has since had to walk that back. I believe it was also her stating the the hospitalization are not from an influx of admission due to Omicron, but are catching it while there.

I am with you though, Omicron is our way out, so long as the safety switch on this variant stays on. And just think.....it'll all be sunshine and rainbows come election time late this summer/early fall just in time for them to take credit for shutting down the virus.

No, it's not accurate to say that all deaths from Omicron have at least 4 co-morbidities with each of them. That would be false, and/or a misstatement. What would be fair is to say that nearly all deaths among those vaccinated and boosted have at least one co-morbidity factor, whether elderly, diabetes, heart disease, or obesity (encompasses 2/3rd of all US adults) or otherwise immunosuppressed...which is a much smaller %. And the number of co-morbidities definitely increases chances, and a lot of overweight people are at least pre-diabetic, often with at least low levels of heart disease, high blood pressure, bad cholesterol, etc....but don't need "at least 4". And the really good news is that if vaccinated and boosted, there is a very, very low chance of death...but not zero.

Those not vaccinated have greatly heightened risk of hospitalization and death from Omicron. Including those without obvious co-morbidity factor (though again, 2/3rd have at least some co-morbidity factor, though many don't recognize that reality). But lower than prior variants, thank goodness.

Problem is that it's so infectious it's getting to the vulnerable at a very fast pace. So, hospitalizations piling up fast...

Not sure where you're getting the "catching it there"...all the reporting is that they're testing for Omicron on all admissions and finding a very high incidence, regardless of whether any Covid related symptoms are part of the reason for admission...doesn't mean that no one is catching Covid in hospital, surely that's happening too, but what they're saying is that a lot of people already have it on admission. Those hospitalizations are not the big problem, they'd be happening anyway, it's the huge surge of Covid-symptom admissions....which is happening mostly in the unvaccinated. Anecdotes aside, that's simply the statistical reality.

The good news is that they're seeing fewer, as a percentage, deaths than in prior waves...but that doesn't mean that hospitalizations aren't really, really costly in all sorts of ways.

Seems to me, thinking positive, this huge level of rapid infectiousness may mean a short duration of the crush in hospitalizations, and then indeed we'll be moving toward an 'endemic' stage...which should be tolerable if the pill therapies become ubiquitous and cheap and rapid testing becomes ubiquitous and cheap. Fingers crossed.

You must be getting better....post are much longer again.

Everything you are arguing bold and underlined, came directly from the CDC Head and Fauci.

yes, much better thanks.

Citations?

If she did misspeak, I can see why there'd need to be a walk back...which is what you also said is happening.
I agree that she's not good at communications...apparently she's now getting "media training"...sheesh, what were they waiting for? scientists are notoriously bad at communications...

Fauci? citation for that?

For instance, this definitely doesn't say that: https://www.newsweek.com/fauci-children ... on-1664676

EDIT: Found the Walensky statement...she said 75% have 4 co-morbidities. Not all. That indeed sounds likely accurate. If you're overweight, you very likely have other co-morbidities as well...and as you age, likelihood of such increases as well. Her "walk back" is that it sounded like she was not caring about those folks, dismissing their issues...not her intent, of course. Bad communication.

In our user base of folks doing "healthy meal planning" 85% have at least one person in the household overweight, 55% ask for meal suggestions to help with at least one serious health factor (diabetes/prediabetes, heart disease, high blood pressure, cholesterol, medically overweight, joint pain, cancer, celiac...all sorts of related chronic health issues, 15% say they have 4 or more overlapping such issues they want factored.

[youthathletics]

With any hope, this latest variant should put most at ease. Anecdotal....my brother in law, never vaccinated, just tested positive on Wednesday, age late 40's solid health, one night of fever and sweats, just now dealing with cold/congestion symptoms.

That's the problem with anecdotal evidence. You can easily miss the forest when looking at just a few trees nearby.

Sure most cases of Omi are mild. But since there are sooo many cases, the current outlook for the system/nation seem pretty bad.

The lagging indicator of hospitalizations is up 82% in the last two weeks. Currently at about the same level we saw during the January 2021 peak, and projected to keep increasing sharply for the next 3 weeks.

And then we'll get to see what happens to the next lagging indicator -- daily deaths. Up 16% over the past two weeks and projected to go up to 2,000 per day. So about equal to the Delta peak back in September 2021.

The optimistic scenario is that once we get through yet another bad peak of hospitalizations/deaths, things should really improve in March and April. Hopefully, that is when the pandemic ends and we can finally get into the endemic stage (i.e. live with Covid).

That anecdotal evidence is happening all over the place...with Omicron. The messaging was even further convoluted over the weekend when the CDC director was tasked with simple questioning. She honestly admitted that the deaths they are now seeing with Omicron have at least 4 comorbidities with each of them; she has since had to walk that back. I believe it was also her stating the the hospitalization are not from an influx of admission due to Omicron, but are catching it while there.

I am with you though, Omicron is our way out, so long as the safety switch on this variant stays on. And just think.....it'll all be sunshine and rainbows come election time late this summer/early fall just in time for them to take credit for shutting down the virus.

No, it's not accurate to say that all deaths from Omicron have at least 4 co-morbidities with each of them. That would be false, and/or a misstatement. What would be fair is to say that nearly all deaths among those vaccinated and boosted have at least one co-morbidity factor, whether elderly, diabetes, heart disease, or obesity (encompasses 2/3rd of all US adults) or otherwise immunosuppressed...which is a much smaller %. And the number of co-morbidities definitely increases chances, and a lot of overweight people are at least pre-diabetic, often with at least low levels of heart disease, high blood pressure, bad cholesterol, etc....but don't need "at least 4". And the really good news is that if vaccinated and boosted, there is a very, very low chance of death...but not zero.

Those not vaccinated have greatly heightened risk of hospitalization and death from Omicron. Including those without obvious co-morbidity factor (though again, 2/3rd have at least some co-morbidity factor, though many don't recognize that reality). But lower than prior variants, thank goodness.

Problem is that it's so infectious it's getting to the vulnerable at a very fast pace. So, hospitalizations piling up fast...

Not sure where you're getting the "catching it there"...all the reporting is that they're testing for Omicron on all admissions and finding a very high incidence, regardless of whether any Covid related symptoms are part of the reason for admission...doesn't mean that no one is catching Covid in hospital, surely that's happening too, but what they're saying is that a lot of people already have it on admission. Those hospitalizations are not the big problem, they'd be happening anyway, it's the huge surge of Covid-symptom admissions....which is happening mostly in the unvaccinated. Anecdotes aside, that's simply the statistical reality.

The good news is that they're seeing fewer, as a percentage, deaths than in prior waves...but that doesn't mean that hospitalizations aren't really, really costly in all sorts of ways.

Seems to me, thinking positive, this huge level of rapid infectiousness may mean a short duration of the crush in hospitalizations, and then indeed we'll be moving toward an 'endemic' stage...which should be tolerable if the pill therapies become ubiquitous and cheap and rapid testing becomes ubiquitous and cheap. Fingers crossed.

You must be getting better....post are much longer again.

Everything you are arguing bold and underlined, came directly from the CDC Head and Fauci.

yes, much better thanks.

Citations?

If she did misspeak, I can see why there'd need to be a walk back...which is what you also said is happening.
I agree that she's not good at communications...apparently she's now getting "media training"...sheesh, what were they waiting for? scientists are notoriously bad at communications...

Fauci? citation for that?

For instance, this definitely doesn't say that: https://www.newsweek.com/fauci-children ... on-1664676

I liked your posts when you were not feeling as well....


"The overwhelming number of deaths, over 75 per cent, occurred in people who had at least four comorbidities,":https://www.newsweek.com/cdc-rochelle-w ... es-1667329
Catching it in hospitals: https://www.newsweek.com/fauci-children ... on-1664676

[ggait]

Everything you are arguing bold and underlined, came directly from the CDC Head and Fauci.

CDC did say the other day that 75% of deaths now are from folks with 4 commorbities.

But when you add up the chubbies, smokers, diabetics, oldsters, etc. etc., that is a majority of USA adults. So I'm not so sure how actionable that information is. Especially since it is too late for any unvaxed commorbies to get vaxed in time to avoid the coming peak of Omi hospitalizations and deaths.

Seems like the next four weeks are going to be what they are going to be. And it is going to be rough on the unvaxed commorbies. And health care workers too.

And then hopefully we'll be mostly done with this forking virus.

[MDlaxfan76]

With any hope, this latest variant should put most at ease. Anecdotal....my brother in law, never vaccinated, just tested positive on Wednesday, age late 40's solid health, one night of fever and sweats, just now dealing with cold/congestion symptoms.

That's the problem with anecdotal evidence. You can easily miss the forest when looking at just a few trees nearby.

Sure most cases of Omi are mild. But since there are sooo many cases, the current outlook for the system/nation seem pretty bad.

The lagging indicator of hospitalizations is up 82% in the last two weeks. Currently at about the same level we saw during the January 2021 peak, and projected to keep increasing sharply for the next 3 weeks.

And then we'll get to see what happens to the next lagging indicator -- daily deaths. Up 16% over the past two weeks and projected to go up to 2,000 per day. So about equal to the Delta peak back in September 2021.

The optimistic scenario is that once we get through yet another bad peak of hospitalizations/deaths, things should really improve in March and April. Hopefully, that is when the pandemic ends and we can finally get into the endemic stage (i.e. live with Covid).

That anecdotal evidence is happening all over the place...with Omicron. The messaging was even further convoluted over the weekend when the CDC director was tasked with simple questioning. She honestly admitted that the deaths they are now seeing with Omicron have at least 4 comorbidities with each of them; she has since had to walk that back. I believe it was also her stating the the hospitalization are not from an influx of admission due to Omicron, but are catching it while there.

I am with you though, Omicron is our way out, so long as the safety switch on this variant stays on. And just think.....it'll all be sunshine and rainbows come election time late this summer/early fall just in time for them to take credit for shutting down the virus.

No, it's not accurate to say that all deaths from Omicron have at least 4 co-morbidities with each of them. That would be false, and/or a misstatement. What would be fair is to say that nearly all deaths among those vaccinated and boosted have at least one co-morbidity factor, whether elderly, diabetes, heart disease, or obesity (encompasses 2/3rd of all US adults) or otherwise immunosuppressed...which is a much smaller %. And the number of co-morbidities definitely increases chances, and a lot of overweight people are at least pre-diabetic, often with at least low levels of heart disease, high blood pressure, bad cholesterol, etc....but don't need "at least 4". And the really good news is that if vaccinated and boosted, there is a very, very low chance of death...but not zero.

Those not vaccinated have greatly heightened risk of hospitalization and death from Omicron. Including those without obvious co-morbidity factor (though again, 2/3rd have at least some co-morbidity factor, though many don't recognize that reality). But lower than prior variants, thank goodness.

Problem is that it's so infectious it's getting to the vulnerable at a very fast pace. So, hospitalizations piling up fast...

Not sure where you're getting the "catching it there"...all the reporting is that they're testing for Omicron on all admissions and finding a very high incidence, regardless of whether any Covid related symptoms are part of the reason for admission...doesn't mean that no one is catching Covid in hospital, surely that's happening too, but what they're saying is that a lot of people already have it on admission. Those hospitalizations are not the big problem, they'd be happening anyway, it's the huge surge of Covid-symptom admissions....which is happening mostly in the unvaccinated. Anecdotes aside, that's simply the statistical reality.

The good news is that they're seeing fewer, as a percentage, deaths than in prior waves...but that doesn't mean that hospitalizations aren't really, really costly in all sorts of ways.

Seems to me, thinking positive, this huge level of rapid infectiousness may mean a short duration of the crush in hospitalizations, and then indeed we'll be moving toward an 'endemic' stage...which should be tolerable if the pill therapies become ubiquitous and cheap and rapid testing becomes ubiquitous and cheap. Fingers crossed.

You must be getting better....post are much longer again.

Everything you are arguing bold and underlined, came directly from the CDC Head and Fauci.

yes, much better thanks.

Citations?

If she did misspeak, I can see why there'd need to be a walk back...which is what you also said is happening.
I agree that she's not good at communications...apparently she's now getting "media training"...sheesh, what were they waiting for? scientists are notoriously bad at communications...

Fauci? citation for that?

For instance, this definitely doesn't say that: https://www.newsweek.com/fauci-children ... on-1664676

I liked your posts when you were not feeling as well....


"The overwhelming number of deaths, over 75 per cent, occurred in people who had at least four comorbidities,":https://www.newsweek.com/cdc-rochelle-w ... es-1667329
Catching it in hospitals: https://www.newsweek.com/fauci-children ... on-1664676

understood.

no, the Fauci statement is specifically not saying they're catching it in hospital, just that COVID isn't why they're there...it's exactly as I'd prior explained. At least according to Fauci. (and a slew of others).

75% makes sense...but not all.
This was basically true of prior variants as well.

Those dying were mostly those with other risk factors (again, 2/3 of American adults have at least one such risk factor and others are often not diagnosed).

[kramerica.inc]

More on the vaccine mandate mess:

https://www.aol.com/finance/vaccine-man ... 47464.html

[youthathletics]

More on the vaccine mandate mess:

https://www.aol.com/finance/vaccine-man ... 47464.html

I didn't even know AOL still existed....Had the chance to meet Jim Kimsey co-founder of AOL, Cool dude...man his home he built in Great Falls is legit, some great stories.

[youthathletics]

My goodness.....hope the SCOTUS sees this. https://twitter.com/tycardon/status/148 ... 39106?s=21

Pfizer CEO: “Two doses of the vaccine offers very limited protection, if any. 3 doses with a booster offer reasonable protection against hospitalization and deaths. Less protection against infection.”

He’s probably a Fox News guy.

[Typical Lax Dad]

My goodness.....hope the SCOTUS sees this. https://twitter.com/tycardon/status/148 ... 39106?s=21

Pfizer CEO: “Two doses of the vaccine offers very limited protection, if any. 3 doses with a booster offer reasonable protection against hospitalization and deaths. Less protection against infection.”

He’s probably a Fox News guy.

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/01/10/pfizer- ... icron.html

Sad…..who is keeping score.

[youthathletics]

My goodness.....hope the SCOTUS sees this. https://twitter.com/tycardon/status/148 ... 39106?s=21

Pfizer CEO: “Two doses of the vaccine offers very limited protection, if any. 3 doses with a booster offer reasonable protection against hospitalization and deaths. Less protection against infection.”

He’s probably a Fox News guy.

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/01/10/pfizer- ... icron.html

Sad…..who is keeping score.

Evidentially you are.

However, Bourla said it’s unclear how long a booster dose will provide protection against Covid. The U.K. Health Security Agency also found that boosters are only 40% to 50% effective against infection 10 weeks after receiving the shot.

Just keep pumping that mRNA in you every few months.

[Typical Lax Dad]

My goodness.....hope the SCOTUS sees this. https://twitter.com/tycardon/status/148 ... 39106?s=21

Pfizer CEO: “Two doses of the vaccine offers very limited protection, if any. 3 doses with a booster offer reasonable protection against hospitalization and deaths. Less protection against infection.”

He’s probably a Fox News guy.

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/01/10/pfizer- ... icron.html

Sad…..who is keeping score.

Evidentially you are.

However, Bourla said it’s unclear how long a booster dose will provide protection against Covid. The U.K. Health Security Agency also found that boosters are only 40% to 50% effective against infection 10 weeks after receiving the shot.

Just keep pumping that mRNA in you every few months.

Un huh. Probably less damaging than bourbon….keep drinking.

[youthathletics]

My goodness.....hope the SCOTUS sees this. https://twitter.com/tycardon/status/148 ... 39106?s=21

Pfizer CEO: “Two doses of the vaccine offers very limited protection, if any. 3 doses with a booster offer reasonable protection against hospitalization and deaths. Less protection against infection.”

He’s probably a Fox News guy.

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/01/10/pfizer- ... icron.html

Sad…..who is keeping score.

Evidentially you are.

However, Bourla said it’s unclear how long a booster dose will provide protection against Covid. The U.K. Health Security Agency also found that boosters are only 40% to 50% effective against infection 10 weeks after receiving the shot.

Just keep pumping that mRNA in you every few months.

Un huh. Probably less damaging than bourbon….keep drinking.

Maybe not: https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/10.1161 ... pl_1.10712

[Typical Lax Dad]

My goodness.....hope the SCOTUS sees this. https://twitter.com/tycardon/status/148 ... 39106?s=21

Pfizer CEO: “Two doses of the vaccine offers very limited protection, if any. 3 doses with a booster offer reasonable protection against hospitalization and deaths. Less protection against infection.”

He’s probably a Fox News guy.

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/01/10/pfizer- ... icron.html

Sad…..who is keeping score.

Evidentially you are.

However, Bourla said it’s unclear how long a booster dose will provide protection against Covid. The U.K. Health Security Agency also found that boosters are only 40% to 50% effective against infection 10 weeks after receiving the shot.

Just keep pumping that mRNA in you every few months.

Un huh. Probably less damaging than bourbon….keep drinking.

Maybe not: https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/10.1161 ... pl_1.10712

Explain what the article is concluding.

[kramerica.inc]

My goodness.....hope the SCOTUS sees this. https://twitter.com/tycardon/status/148 ... 39106?s=21

Pfizer CEO: “Two doses of the vaccine offers very limited protection, if any. 3 doses with a booster offer reasonable protection against hospitalization and deaths. Less protection against infection.”

He’s probably a Fox News guy.

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/01/10/pfizer- ... icron.html

Sad…..who is keeping score.

Evidentially you are.

However, Bourla said it’s unclear how long a booster dose will provide protection against Covid. The U.K. Health Security Agency also found that boosters are only 40% to 50% effective against infection 10 weeks after receiving the shot.

Just keep pumping that mRNA in you every few months.

Un huh. Probably less damaging than bourbon….keep drinking.

Maybe not: https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/10.1161 ... pl_1.10712

"Maybe" is right. It's always been a numbers game.

Those with heart disease are at much greater risk of serious outcomes if they get Covid. Thus why the shot is generally recommended. I believe this is saying that those with heart disease also are likely to have higher markers for this acute coronary syndrome. Which symptoms sounds awfully like the symptoms of myocarditis?

There are a lot of unknown effects long and short term the vaccine could have. This being one of them. If it really means anything, has yet to be determined. Between this and the myocarditis issue, lots more research is needed before these DRs understand it fully.

[Bart]

My goodness.....hope the SCOTUS sees this. https://twitter.com/tycardon/status/148 ... 39106?s=21

Pfizer CEO: “Two doses of the vaccine offers very limited protection, if any. 3 doses with a booster offer reasonable protection against hospitalization and deaths. Less protection against infection.”

He’s probably a Fox News guy.

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/01/10/pfizer- ... icron.html

Sad…..who is keeping score.

Evidentially you are.

However, Bourla said it’s unclear how long a booster dose will provide protection against Covid. The U.K. Health Security Agency also found that boosters are only 40% to 50% effective against infection 10 weeks after receiving the shot.

Just keep pumping that mRNA in you every few months.

Un huh. Probably less damaging than bourbon….keep drinking.

Maybe not: https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/10.1161 ... pl_1.10712

"In conclusion, the mRNA vacs numerically increase (but not statistically tested) the markers IL-16, Fas, and HGF, all markers previously described by others for denoting inflammation on the endothelium and T cell infiltration of cardiac muscle, in a consecutive series of a single clinic patient population receiving mRNA vaccines without a control group."

If this was not statistically tested what is the purpose? Nothing. Either it is significant or not.

[get it to x]

My goodness.....hope the SCOTUS sees this. https://twitter.com/tycardon/status/148 ... 39106?s=21

Pfizer CEO: “Two doses of the vaccine offers very limited protection, if any. 3 doses with a booster offer reasonable protection against hospitalization and deaths. Less protection against infection.”

He’s probably a Fox News guy.

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/01/10/pfizer- ... icron.html

Sad…..who is keeping score.

Evidentially you are.

However, Bourla said it’s unclear how long a booster dose will provide protection against Covid. The U.K. Health Security Agency also found that boosters are only 40% to 50% effective against infection 10 weeks after receiving the shot.

Just keep pumping that mRNA in you every few months.

Un huh. Probably less damaging than bourbon….keep drinking.

Maybe not: https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/10.1161 ... pl_1.10712

"In conclusion, the mRNA vacs numerically increase (but not statistically tested) the markers IL-16, Fas, and HGF, all markers previously described by others for denoting inflammation on the endothelium and T cell infiltration of cardiac muscle, in a consecutive series of a single clinic patient population receiving mRNA vaccines without a control group."

If this was not statistically tested what is the purpose? Nothing. Either it is significant or not.

When the maker of the vaccine starts hedging you know the real truth has yet to be revealed. I think the real story of vaccine injury has yet to be told. The coronary/pulmonary issues are already manifesting themselves, but I wonder if the vaccine has caused permanent damage to peoples natural immune systems.

Now we find that the statistics on hospitalizations and deaths may have been padded. What good is information if the inputs are manipulated for financial or political gain?

[youthathletics]

My goodness.....hope the SCOTUS sees this. https://twitter.com/tycardon/status/148 ... 39106?s=21

Pfizer CEO: “Two doses of the vaccine offers very limited protection, if any. 3 doses with a booster offer reasonable protection against hospitalization and deaths. Less protection against infection.”

He’s probably a Fox News guy.

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/01/10/pfizer- ... icron.html

Sad…..who is keeping score.

Evidentially you are.

However, Bourla said it’s unclear how long a booster dose will provide protection against Covid. The U.K. Health Security Agency also found that boosters are only 40% to 50% effective against infection 10 weeks after receiving the shot.

Just keep pumping that mRNA in you every few months.

Un huh. Probably less damaging than bourbon….keep drinking.

Maybe not: https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/10.1161 ... pl_1.10712

"In conclusion, the mRNA vacs numerically increase (but not statistically tested) the markers IL-16, Fas, and HGF, all markers previously described by others for denoting inflammation on the endothelium and T cell infiltration of cardiac muscle, in a consecutive series of a single clinic patient population receiving mRNA vaccines without a control group."

If this was not statistically tested what is the purpose? Nothing. Either it is significant or not.

This too is considered Novel in the understanding of what mRNA can/may do in our body. And as others have suggested, they should be taking this seriously by performing high resolution MRI's of the vascular system in and around the heart. From my understanding, this inflammation, may be prematurely revealing plaque build-up in our plumbing in and around the heart, which can also result in a higher possibility of clotting by having a narrower inside diameter path for blood flow.

[Typical Lax Dad]

My goodness.....hope the SCOTUS sees this. https://twitter.com/tycardon/status/148 ... 39106?s=21

Pfizer CEO: “Two doses of the vaccine offers very limited protection, if any. 3 doses with a booster offer reasonable protection against hospitalization and deaths. Less protection against infection.”

He’s probably a Fox News guy.

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/01/10/pfizer- ... icron.html

Sad…..who is keeping score.

Evidentially you are.

However, Bourla said it’s unclear how long a booster dose will provide protection against Covid. The U.K. Health Security Agency also found that boosters are only 40% to 50% effective against infection 10 weeks after receiving the shot.

Just keep pumping that mRNA in you every few months.

Un huh. Probably less damaging than bourbon….keep drinking.

Maybe not: https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/10.1161 ... pl_1.10712

"In conclusion, the mRNA vacs numerically increase (but not statistically tested) the markers IL-16, Fas, and HGF, all markers previously described by others for denoting inflammation on the endothelium and T cell infiltration of cardiac muscle, in a consecutive series of a single clinic patient population receiving mRNA vaccines without a control group."

If this was not statistically tested what is the purpose? Nothing. Either it is significant or not.

When the maker of the vaccine starts hedging you know the real truth has yet to be revealed. I think the real story of vaccine injury has yet to be told. The coronary/pulmonary issues are already manifesting themselves, but I wonder if the vaccine has caused permanent damage to peoples natural immune systems.

Now we find that the statistics on hospitalizations and deaths may have been padded. What good is information if the inputs are manipulated for financial or political gain?

There is a significant undercount of COVID-19 deaths.

[Bart]

My goodness.....hope the SCOTUS sees this. https://twitter.com/tycardon/status/148 ... 39106?s=21

Pfizer CEO: “Two doses of the vaccine offers very limited protection, if any. 3 doses with a booster offer reasonable protection against hospitalization and deaths. Less protection against infection.”

He’s probably a Fox News guy.

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/01/10/pfizer- ... icron.html

Sad…..who is keeping score.

Evidentially you are.

However, Bourla said it’s unclear how long a booster dose will provide protection against Covid. The U.K. Health Security Agency also found that boosters are only 40% to 50% effective against infection 10 weeks after receiving the shot.

Just keep pumping that mRNA in you every few months.

Un huh. Probably less damaging than bourbon….keep drinking.

Maybe not: https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/10.1161 ... pl_1.10712

"In conclusion, the mRNA vacs numerically increase (but not statistically tested) the markers IL-16, Fas, and HGF, all markers previously described by others for denoting inflammation on the endothelium and T cell infiltration of cardiac muscle, in a consecutive series of a single clinic patient population receiving mRNA vaccines without a control group."

If this was not statistically tested what is the purpose? Nothing. Either it is significant or not.

This too is considered Novel in the understanding of what mRNA can/may do in our body. And as others have suggested, they should be taking this seriously by performing high resolution MRI's of the vascular system in and around the heart. From my understanding, this inflammation, may be prematurely revealing plaque build-up in our plumbing in and around the heart, which can also result in a higher possibility of clotting by having a narrower inside diameter path for blood flow.

Every vaccine ever produced induces some sort of inflammatory response. That is the purpose. It is not novel to the mRNA vaccines.